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MH17 plane crash: UK experts to retrieve flight data MH17 plane crash: UK experts to retrieve flight data
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British air accident investigators will retrieve data from the black boxes of crashed flight MH17, UK Prime Minister David Cameron has said.British air accident investigators will retrieve data from the black boxes of crashed flight MH17, UK Prime Minister David Cameron has said.
This follows a request by authorities in the Netherlands, where the Malaysia Airlines plane flew from before crashing in Ukraine.This follows a request by authorities in the Netherlands, where the Malaysia Airlines plane flew from before crashing in Ukraine.
The experts, based at Farnborough, will download data from the flight recorders for "international analysis". The experts, based at Farnborough, will download data from the recorders for analysis by Dutch and Ukrainian teams.
Some 298 people, including 10 Britons, were killed in the crash.Some 298 people, including 10 Britons, were killed in the crash.
Western leaders accuse Russia of arming separatist rebels in Ukraine, and believe the rebels shot down the Boeing 777-200 airliner with a ground-to-air missile.
But Russia has suggested Ukrainian government forces are to blame.
Mr Cameron tweeted: "We've agreed Dutch request for air accident investigators at Farnborough to retrieve data from MH17 black boxes for international analysis."Mr Cameron tweeted: "We've agreed Dutch request for air accident investigators at Farnborough to retrieve data from MH17 black boxes for international analysis."
Downing Street said information retrieved would be sent on to a Dutch and Ukrainian team for analysis. Downing Street said information retrieved would be sent on for analysis by Dutch and Ukrainian investigators.
The announcement comes after Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond joined other EU ministers in Brussels for talks about the shooting down of the Boeing 777-200 airliner in eastern Ukraine last Thursday. The Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) confirmed it would be working on the flight recorders following their handover by pro-Russian rebels to Malaysian officials.
Special room Malaysian Colonel Mohamed Sakri, who received the MH17 black boxes, said they had been handed on to the Dutch military and would be taken to the UK.
The Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) confirmed it would be working on the flight recorders which have been handed over by pro-Russian rebels.
Malaysian Colonel Mohamed Sakri, who received the MH17 black boxes, said they were in the hands of the Dutch military and would be taken to the UK.
AnalysisAnalysis
Jonathan Sumberg, BBC transport reporterJonathan Sumberg, BBC transport reporter
Why are the black boxes being examined in the UK? The British Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) tell me they are one of only two so-called "replay units" in Europe with the necessary equipment to listen to what has been recorded on the cockpit voice recorder. The other is in France.Why are the black boxes being examined in the UK? The British Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) tell me they are one of only two so-called "replay units" in Europe with the necessary equipment to listen to what has been recorded on the cockpit voice recorder. The other is in France.
They have the kit to analyse in minute detail what can be heard in the last few minutes of flight MH17. The information is incredibly sensitive so investigators gather in a sealed room so that only those who should be listening can listen.They have the kit to analyse in minute detail what can be heard in the last few minutes of flight MH17. The information is incredibly sensitive so investigators gather in a sealed room so that only those who should be listening can listen.
There are four speakers on the walls creating a surround sound - anything to help the investigators hear exactly what went on. They may even hear any explosion.There are four speakers on the walls creating a surround sound - anything to help the investigators hear exactly what went on. They may even hear any explosion.
The AAIB will not tell me when they expect to get their hands on the black boxes. But investigators are confident that, depending on the extent of the damage, they can retrieve information from the boxes within 24 hours.The AAIB will not tell me when they expect to get their hands on the black boxes. But investigators are confident that, depending on the extent of the damage, they can retrieve information from the boxes within 24 hours.
One of the boxes records technical information relating to the performance of the aircraft and the other takes down sounds such as pilots' voices and, potentially, an explosion.One of the boxes records technical information relating to the performance of the aircraft and the other takes down sounds such as pilots' voices and, potentially, an explosion.
BBC transport reporter Jonathan Sumberg said it was unclear how useful the recorders would be.
Investigators will be able to collect information as long as there is no damage to the black boxes, which are designed to withstand a plane crash.Investigators will be able to collect information as long as there is no damage to the black boxes, which are designed to withstand a plane crash.
One former air accident investigator told the BBC that the cockpit recorder might be able to detect the sound of shrapnel. But experts say it is not clear how useful the data on them will be.
BBC transport correspondent Richard Westcott said he had visited the room at Farnborough where the work is to be carried out. David Gleave, a former air accident investigator who is now an aviation safety researcher at Loughborough University, said: "The black box may show absolutely nothing of interest at all.
He said: "It's quite a phenomenal kind of laboratory where they go in. They seal the door, no-one can have any kind of device that will listen in to the conversation in the cockpit - because it's obviously incredibly stressful if something like that gets out for families and so on - and then they will listen to what was actually happening on board." "It's not set up to record something like this. They're set up to record things like human error, what's happening in the cockpit, equipment failure.
He added: "We were always going to be involved as a country, this is us doing our bit because we've got the right facilities." "If the missile exploded in close proximity to the plane and the tail was severed fully off it wouldn't have recorded anything from the cockpit at all.
David Gleave, an aviation safety researcher at Loughborough University, said he did not think the data could have been tampered with, as has been suggested, in such a short space of time. "If it exploded further away and the crew started to fight against it before the plane came down, there may be 20 seconds of data.
"You might get a pulse in the cabin pressure, the controls may have started to vibrate. If it was a heat-seeking missile and exploded near one of the engines you might get vibration recorded on one side but not the other. But it is likely to have exploded very close to the plane."
There have been rumours of people tampering with the black boxes, but Mr Gleave said he did not think this was possible in such a short space of time.
"In this case, if it was a missile attack, it's likely there'll also be lots of physical evidence so how would you remove that or tamper with it? There's no point tampering with the boxes if you couldn't remove the physical evidence as well," he said."In this case, if it was a missile attack, it's likely there'll also be lots of physical evidence so how would you remove that or tamper with it? There's no point tampering with the boxes if you couldn't remove the physical evidence as well," he said.
BBC transport correspondent Richard Westcott said he had visited the room at Farnborough where the work was to be carried out.
He said: "It's quite a phenomenal kind of laboratory where they go in. They seal the door, no-one can have any kind of device that will listen in to the conversation in the cockpit - because it's obviously incredibly stressful if something like that gets out for families and so on - and then they will listen to what was actually happening on board."
Victim identificationVictim identification
Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte said a train carrying the bodies of those who had died had arrived in Kharkiv, which is outside rebel territory in Ukraine, and the black boxes destined for the UK were on board. The announcement comes after Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond joined other EU ministers in Brussels for talks about the crash in eastern Ukraine last Thursday.
Dutch officials later said that only 200 bodies had arrived in Kharkiv - not 282 as claimed by the rebels.
The first aircraft containing bodies are expected to arrive in Eindhoven on Wednesday.
A Metropolitan Police-led team of officers will go to the Netherlands to help with the process of identifying the victims.
Western leaders accuse Russia of arming the rebels, and believe they shot down flight MH17 with a ground-to-air missile.
But Russia has suggested Ukrainian government forces are to blame.
Experts who have visited the crash scene so far include four from the Ukrainian civil aviation department, one from Malaysia Airlines, two from Malaysia's department for civil aviation and three Dutch pathologists, according to Michael Bociurkiw of the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe.
Mr Hammond said EU ministers had agreed to a "clear political commitment to act in response to this outrage" by drawing up a list of people close to the Russian leadership who would be subject to sanctions.Mr Hammond said EU ministers had agreed to a "clear political commitment to act in response to this outrage" by drawing up a list of people close to the Russian leadership who would be subject to sanctions.
"The cronies of Mr Putin and his clique in the Kremlin are the people who have to bear the pressure because it is only them feeling the pressure that will in turn put pressure on the Russian government," he said."The cronies of Mr Putin and his clique in the Kremlin are the people who have to bear the pressure because it is only them feeling the pressure that will in turn put pressure on the Russian government," he said.
"If the financial interests of the group around the leadership are affected the leadership will know about it.""If the financial interests of the group around the leadership are affected the leadership will know about it."
The remains of at least 200 victims have arrived in the city of Kharkiv, which is outside rebel territory in Ukraine, and the first aircraft containing bodies is expected to land at Eindhoven airport, in the Netherlands, on Wednesday.
A Metropolitan Police-led team of officers will go to the Netherlands to help with the process of identifying the victims.