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Dave Lee Travis trial: 'Assault' was 'aggressive', says Dave Gorman Dave Lee Travis trial: 'Assault' was 'aggressive', says Dave Gorman
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Staff working on the BBC's Mrs Merton Show thought an alleged assault by Dave Lee Travis was "aggressive" rather than "playful albeit ill-judged", comedian Dave Gorman has told a court. Staff working on the BBC's Mrs Merton Show thought an alleged assault by Dave Lee Travis was "aggressive" rather than "playful, albeit ill-judged", comedian Dave Gorman has told a court.
A jury has heard that the ex-Radio 1 DJ groped a female television presenter who worked as a researcher when he appeared on the comedy show in 1995.A jury has heard that the ex-Radio 1 DJ groped a female television presenter who worked as a researcher when he appeared on the comedy show in 1995.
Show scriptwriter Mr Gorman said it was "office gossip to some extent".Show scriptwriter Mr Gorman said it was "office gossip to some extent".
Mr Travis denies two counts of indecent assault and one of sexual assault.Mr Travis denies two counts of indecent assault and one of sexual assault.
Victim 'shaking'Victim 'shaking'
Mr Gorman said he had been told that as the woman "was escorting Mr Travis back to his dressing room, he at some point" grabbed her breasts.Mr Gorman said he had been told that as the woman "was escorting Mr Travis back to his dressing room, he at some point" grabbed her breasts.
"My recollection was everyone in the team would have known," Mr Gorman told the Southwark Crown Court retrial."My recollection was everyone in the team would have known," Mr Gorman told the Southwark Crown Court retrial.
He said his "feeling was, if you think back to that time" that if he or his colleagues had called the police to report the alleged incident it "wouldn't have gone anywhere".He said his "feeling was, if you think back to that time" that if he or his colleagues had called the police to report the alleged incident it "wouldn't have gone anywhere".
"He had been and gone."He had been and gone.
"I recall discussions and questions about whether it had been a sort of 'Carry On film wahey', which might be playful albeit ill-judged, or whether it was aggressive. "I recall discussions and questions about whether it had been a sort of 'Carry On film wahey', which might be playful, albeit ill-judged - or whether it was aggressive.
"My recollection was it was aggressive.""My recollection was it was aggressive."
Mr Gorman said the alleged assault was "never at the front of my mind" over the years but he had not "completely forgotten" about it.Mr Gorman said the alleged assault was "never at the front of my mind" over the years but he had not "completely forgotten" about it.
'Sour taste''Sour taste'
Stephen Vullo QC, representing Mr Travis, said his client had "no recollection" of the alleged victim.Stephen Vullo QC, representing Mr Travis, said his client had "no recollection" of the alleged victim.
In a police interview read to the court, Mr Travis said he "absolutely, categorically" did not grope the woman.In a police interview read to the court, Mr Travis said he "absolutely, categorically" did not grope the woman.
"I like to get on with people," he said."I like to get on with people," he said.
"I don't like to leave people with a sour taste in their mouth."I don't like to leave people with a sour taste in their mouth.
"I suspect grabbing someone's breasts for 15 seconds would leave a sour taste in their mouth.""I suspect grabbing someone's breasts for 15 seconds would leave a sour taste in their mouth."
Also in the interview, he said: "I don't understand why I'm being vilified.Also in the interview, he said: "I don't understand why I'm being vilified.
"I remember the days people used to touch people and you would kick them in the balls. "I remember the days people used to touch people and you would kick them in the balls. You didn't take them to bloody court."
"You didn't take them to bloody court." One woman, who is not a complainant in the case, told the court she was "dumbfounded" when Mr Travis put his hand between her legs as she served him drinks on the Isle Of Man in the 1980s.
On Tuesday, the alleged victim told the court she was left "shaking" after being indecently assaulted by the former DJ, who is being tried under his real name, David Griffin. Mr Travis told police the incident did not happen and said he did not remember the woman.
She said the accused approached her as she was smoking a cigarette in the corridor of the BBC studios in Manchester, told her she "shouldn't be smoking" and gave her a "squeezing grope". "I have respect for people beneath me," he added.
"He started touching the bottom of my rib cage. Without saying anything else he just slid his hands up to and over my breasts and then kind of left them there and started squeezing," she said on Tuesday. "I have stood on a street corner and had a good old conversation with a dust bin man. I have spoken to the Queen."
The woman, who says she was 22 when she was assaulted, told the court she later spoke publicly about the alleged assault but did not report the incident to the police until January 2014. 'Wrongdoing' comment
The DJ, 69, is being retried on one count of indecent assault of a woman in the 1990s and another of sexual assault on a different woman in 2008 - after a jury failed to reach verdicts earlier this year. Detective Sergeant Gary Pankhurst told the court "thousands" of police hours had been spent on the investigation into Mr Travis.
He has also pleaded not guilty to the additional count of indecent assault alleged to have taken place in Manchester on 17 January 1995. Cross-examining the officer, Mr Vullo said: "There are some very troubling things that have happened in this case.
"I don't suggest you have done anything wrong but I don't absolve all police officers of wrongdoing."
Mr Vullo told the jury there was "evidence" that an alleged victim, who claims she was assaulted by Mr Travis at a pantomime, had been "tipped off" by police that the Chuckle Brothers could not remember an incident she reported.
The woman, who initially said she had seen the comedy duo during the alleged assault, later changed her evidence to say she only heard them walking past, the barrister said.
Mr Travis is being retried on one count of indecent assault of a woman in the 1990s and another of sexual assault on a different woman in 2008 - after a jury failed to reach verdicts earlier this year.
The 69-year-old, who is on trial under his real name, David Griffin, has also pleaded not guilty to the additional count of indecent assault alleged to have taken place in Manchester on 17 January 1995.
The trial continues.The trial continues.