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Canada party leaders debate: May and Mulcair outshine Harper – as it happened Canada party leaders debate: May and Mulcair outshine Harper – as it happened
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And, we’re done.And, we’re done.
The immediate winner tonight is Elizabeth May. But the strategic victor is Tom Mulcair’s NDP.The immediate winner tonight is Elizabeth May. But the strategic victor is Tom Mulcair’s NDP.
Under attack from the other three parties, Harper withered. But while May rose to fill the room, and Mulcair’s calm demeanor gave him the last word over and over again, Trudeau failed to hit the near-impossible moving target he had to hit to put his party back in contention.Under attack from the other three parties, Harper withered. But while May rose to fill the room, and Mulcair’s calm demeanor gave him the last word over and over again, Trudeau failed to hit the near-impossible moving target he had to hit to put his party back in contention.
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Trudeau’s speech is themed around being “ready.”Trudeau’s speech is themed around being “ready.”
“Mr. Harper wants you to believe that better just isn’t possible. But I think thats wong. We are who we are and Canada is what Canada is, because we’ve always known that better is possible.”“Mr. Harper wants you to believe that better just isn’t possible. But I think thats wong. We are who we are and Canada is what Canada is, because we’ve always known that better is possible.”
I don’t know what that means.I don’t know what that means.
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"Get to know us. We are not what you think." Elizabeth May's Green Party pitch. #macdebate"Get to know us. We are not what you think." Elizabeth May's Green Party pitch. #macdebate
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May thanks organisers for the opportunity to speak to the nation. She may not face the other candidates in any other debate, she says - which is true.May thanks organisers for the opportunity to speak to the nation. She may not face the other candidates in any other debate, she says - which is true.
Though after her performance this evening she well experience a bit of a bump in the polls.Though after her performance this evening she well experience a bit of a bump in the polls.
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Mulcair next. Thanks organisers and viewers. “In this election there is a clear choice,” he says. “Mr. Harper has the worst jobs record since the second world war. Run up eight deficits in a row and added 50bn to Canada’s debt. Sorry. Mr Harper’s plan clearly isn’t working.”Mulcair next. Thanks organisers and viewers. “In this election there is a clear choice,” he says. “Mr. Harper has the worst jobs record since the second world war. Run up eight deficits in a row and added 50bn to Canada’s debt. Sorry. Mr Harper’s plan clearly isn’t working.”
“Clearly isn’t working” was another bingo card phrase. If you had that, you are also a winner.“Clearly isn’t working” was another bingo card phrase. If you had that, you are also a winner.
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“Proven experience,” is Harper’s opening gambit. Points to market turmoil in China, debt crisis in Europe. Trying to say he’s a safe pair of hands. But he looks, and sounds, rattled.“Proven experience,” is Harper’s opening gambit. Points to market turmoil in China, debt crisis in Europe. Trying to say he’s a safe pair of hands. But he looks, and sounds, rattled.
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Closing remarks now.Closing remarks now.
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Or this one:Or this one:
The loudest cheers of the evening go to Mulcair's statement that he'd repeal c-51 #macdebateThe loudest cheers of the evening go to Mulcair's statement that he'd repeal c-51 #macdebate
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May’s line of the night - probably the line of the night overall - is on C51. “It’s a disaster.”May’s line of the night - probably the line of the night overall - is on C51. “It’s a disaster.”
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“This is an issue that people are quite rightly worked up about,” says Trudeau, pretty lamely“This is an issue that people are quite rightly worked up about,” says Trudeau, pretty lamely
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Harper is rattled. “If you are not prepared to call the threat the ... thing that it is, you are not prepared to defend this country.” Then May hits him again. She’s relentless, with a machine-gun delivery.Harper is rattled. “If you are not prepared to call the threat the ... thing that it is, you are not prepared to defend this country.” Then May hits him again. She’s relentless, with a machine-gun delivery.
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In almost so many words, Mulcair calls Harper - essentially - an Islamophobe, for targeting mosques.In almost so many words, Mulcair calls Harper - essentially - an Islamophobe, for targeting mosques.
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And, having done the hard work, May leaves the cleanup to Mulcair. The NDP “Will repeal C51,” he says, looking straight into the camera.And, having done the hard work, May leaves the cleanup to Mulcair. The NDP “Will repeal C51,” he says, looking straight into the camera.
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The first real attack on C51 comes from May.The first real attack on C51 comes from May.
There is no oversight. There is no oversight at all. This act ... Makes. Us. Less. Safe.”There is no oversight. There is no oversight at all. This act ... Makes. Us. Less. Safe.”
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“I’ll let Mr. Trudeau explain his own position; he’s been for and against the legislation at the same time,” says Harper dismissively.“I’ll let Mr. Trudeau explain his own position; he’s been for and against the legislation at the same time,” says Harper dismissively.
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Final round of questioning for Trudeau finally gets to C51, the deeply unpopular counter-terror bill that his party supported.Final round of questioning for Trudeau finally gets to C51, the deeply unpopular counter-terror bill that his party supported.
This was always going to be a tough moment for Trudeau. He’s fudging - he’s clearly fudging - talking about amendments; being constructive. “Perhaps it was naive,” he says.This was always going to be a tough moment for Trudeau. He’s fudging - he’s clearly fudging - talking about amendments; being constructive. “Perhaps it was naive,” he says.
It’s about as well as he can do under the circumstances. But it’s still not a winning moment for the Liberal leader.It’s about as well as he can do under the circumstances. But it’s still not a winning moment for the Liberal leader.
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Scorecard so far, as we head into the final round of questions:Scorecard so far, as we head into the final round of questions:
Harper 2/10Harper 2/10
Mulcair 7/10Mulcair 7/10
May 8/10May 8/10
Trudeau 4/10Trudeau 4/10
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Suddenly, for the first time, May of the Green party sounds like she might be on the same hawkish side as Harper. “Assad is a butcher,” she says.Suddenly, for the first time, May of the Green party sounds like she might be on the same hawkish side as Harper. “Assad is a butcher,” she says.
However, she says, ISIS is trying “to draw us into the region.”However, she says, ISIS is trying “to draw us into the region.”
“We are actually doing what they want when we go in with bombing missions.”“We are actually doing what they want when we go in with bombing missions.”
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Harper accuses Trudeau of trying to “slag the military.”
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More from Maxwell Cameron of UBC’s political science department.
The attack by Trudeau on Mulcair regarding the clarity act is all about trying to drive a wedge between the NDP and the Quebec federalists voter. It is an important part of this debate.
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“Unfortunately, Mr. Harper hasn’t seen a war he hasn’t wanted to get involved in,” says Trudeau.
“Well, I... I don’t think this government has got involved in many military engagements,” Harper almost-stammers. Pivots quickly to the threat of ISIS. “It would be foolish not to go after this group before they go after us.”
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Stephen Harper is rocking a deep left lean right now. V chill. #macdebate
Straight out of the David Cameron playbook. Very much UK-led in influence, this debate. Little drawn from Canada’s immediate neighbour to the south so far in terms of tics or tactics.
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First question to Tom Mulcair. “Would the NDP ever send troops into combat?”
“Yes,” he says. “We’ve shown that willingness in the case of Libya. Then we withdrew that when they changed the mission.”
“But before I would ever sent in their brave men and women, I would ... make sure we had a clearly defined mission, and a clear exit strategy.” On ISIS, he says that the situation is “the result of the last misguided war” in Iraq.
In response, May immediately gets in a “with all due respect.”
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And we’re done with the government segment. Up next, the last segment: foreign policy and security
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Tom Mulcair talks like he's telling his mom how to use e-mail. Patient, slow, with just a hint of burning rage. #macdebate
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“It’s not my top priority, because it’s hard,” says May on Senate reform.
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“One billion dollars has been spent on the Senate on Mr. Harper’s watch,” Mulcair says. He’s on a roll. “One billion dollars.”
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Mulcair now promising to get rid of the unelected upper house entirely. “It’s a relic ... of our past”