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| MPs pass English votes for English Laws plans – politics live | MPs pass English votes for English Laws plans – politics live |
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| Afternoon summary | Afternoon summary |
| That’s all from me for today. Andrew Sparrow will be back anchoring the politics live blog on Monday. Thanks for all your comments. | That’s all from me for today. Andrew Sparrow will be back anchoring the politics live blog on Monday. Thanks for all your comments. |
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| Labour’s Chris Bryant asks the Speaker whether he will be making a statement on Monday about the new procedures. John Bercow says that it is “not immediately obvious to me that it is so urgent as to require a statement on Monday”. He says it may be what the speaker’s office calls UIMM – “urgent in mind of member”. | Labour’s Chris Bryant asks the Speaker whether he will be making a statement on Monday about the new procedures. John Bercow says that it is “not immediately obvious to me that it is so urgent as to require a statement on Monday”. He says it may be what the speaker’s office calls UIMM – “urgent in mind of member”. |
| The SNP’s Pete Wishart asks the Speaker whether there will be written guidance to MPs on the new EVEL rules. He says there are number of bills coming up in the near future to which the new rules will apply. Bercow says he will provide guidance where necessary. | The SNP’s Pete Wishart asks the Speaker whether there will be written guidance to MPs on the new EVEL rules. He says there are number of bills coming up in the near future to which the new rules will apply. Bercow says he will provide guidance where necessary. |
| Chris Grayling says that the clerks in the House of Commons have been doing “extensive work” to prepare for the possibility of the motion passing. | Chris Grayling says that the clerks in the House of Commons have been doing “extensive work” to prepare for the possibility of the motion passing. |
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| MPs vote for EVEL plans | MPs vote for EVEL plans |
| MPs vote 312 to 270 in favour of EVEL plans. | MPs vote 312 to 270 in favour of EVEL plans. |
| History made today. For first time ever parliament restricts rights of Scottish MPs to represent their electors. Tories win 312 to 270 #EVEL | History made today. For first time ever parliament restricts rights of Scottish MPs to represent their electors. Tories win 312 to 270 #EVEL |
| 312 Yes, 270 No #EVEL So much for being an equal partner in a family of nations. Some nations are more equal than other it would seem.... | 312 Yes, 270 No #EVEL So much for being an equal partner in a family of nations. Some nations are more equal than other it would seem.... |
| #EVEL will out: 312 votes to 270 Just have to figure out what that means. Ah a handy graphic... pic.twitter.com/lPgh8JbRJ5 | #EVEL will out: 312 votes to 270 Just have to figure out what that means. Ah a handy graphic... pic.twitter.com/lPgh8JbRJ5 |
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| A Labour amendment suggesting English MPs be given the chance to debate and suggest revisions, rather than block legislation entirely, has been rejected by MPs by 312 votes to 269. | A Labour amendment suggesting English MPs be given the chance to debate and suggest revisions, rather than block legislation entirely, has been rejected by MPs by 312 votes to 269. |
| MPs are now voting on the main motion. | MPs are now voting on the main motion. |
| 4.09pm BST | 4.09pm BST |
| 16:09 | 16:09 |
| MPs are now voting on a series of amendments to the EVEL plans and the motion as a whole. It may take a while to get a clear result. In the meantime, here’s the Guardian’s Politics Weekly podcast to keep you busy. | MPs are now voting on a series of amendments to the EVEL plans and the motion as a whole. It may take a while to get a clear result. In the meantime, here’s the Guardian’s Politics Weekly podcast to keep you busy. |
| Related: Politics Weekly podcast: tax credits, China and Suffragette | Related: Politics Weekly podcast: tax credits, China and Suffragette |
| 3.59pm BST | 3.59pm BST |
| 15:59 | 15:59 |
| Kate Devlin, Westminster correspondent at The Herald, says Tory rebels may have been pulled back into line – | Kate Devlin, Westminster correspondent at The Herald, says Tory rebels may have been pulled back into line – |
| Labour sources say they believe Tories will win #evel vote after a number of Tory rebels suggest they will back the government | Labour sources say they believe Tories will win #evel vote after a number of Tory rebels suggest they will back the government |
| 3.53pm BST | 3.53pm BST |
| 15:53 | 15:53 |
| The shadow leader of the house of commons tweets – | The shadow leader of the house of commons tweets – |
| EVEL debate has been profoundly bitter. I fear this will put a worm of grievance in people's heart. It's a charter for breaking the Union. | EVEL debate has been profoundly bitter. I fear this will put a worm of grievance in people's heart. It's a charter for breaking the Union. |
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| 15:52 | 15:52 |
| Chris Davies, Conservative MP for Brecon, says: “what is fair about this bill?” He says that he is a Welsh MP in a constituency bordering England and has constituents whose children who go to school across the border. His wife goes across the border to work in Hereford hospital and treats his constituency on a daily basis, he says. | Chris Davies, Conservative MP for Brecon, says: “what is fair about this bill?” He says that he is a Welsh MP in a constituency bordering England and has constituents whose children who go to school across the border. His wife goes across the border to work in Hereford hospital and treats his constituency on a daily basis, he says. |
| Davies says he will have to tell his constituents: “This does affect you, but sorry the house says it does not relate to us, so there’s nothing I can do.” | Davies says he will have to tell his constituents: “This does affect you, but sorry the house says it does not relate to us, so there’s nothing I can do.” |
| Labour MP Wes Streeting interjects to correct Davies that the proposals are not contained in ‘a bill’ and that if it were MPs would be able to go through it and work out the complexities. | Labour MP Wes Streeting interjects to correct Davies that the proposals are not contained in ‘a bill’ and that if it were MPs would be able to go through it and work out the complexities. |
| Davies says he cannot fault the principle of the proposals, but that he is being asked to vote to “turn down” his voice and the voices of his constituents in Westminster. He urges his colleagues “not to vote on this for political reasons, but because it’s the right thing to do. I believe that this bill is a start, but it is by no means the end of this debate.” | Davies says he cannot fault the principle of the proposals, but that he is being asked to vote to “turn down” his voice and the voices of his constituents in Westminster. He urges his colleagues “not to vote on this for political reasons, but because it’s the right thing to do. I believe that this bill is a start, but it is by no means the end of this debate.” |
| I’m not sure if that means he’s voting for or against. | I’m not sure if that means he’s voting for or against. |
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| 15:26 | 15:26 |
| Conservative MP Jacob Rees-Mogg says that the “price of the union” for England is asymmetrical devolution and that “by virtue of being over 80% of the population and the richest part of the union” England cannot be afforded the same level of devolution as it would “overwhelm” the other parts of the UK. He says he therefore appreciates the proposals because of their “modesty”. | Conservative MP Jacob Rees-Mogg says that the “price of the union” for England is asymmetrical devolution and that “by virtue of being over 80% of the population and the richest part of the union” England cannot be afforded the same level of devolution as it would “overwhelm” the other parts of the UK. He says he therefore appreciates the proposals because of their “modesty”. |
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| Back to the debate currently going on in the commons – Alistair Carmichael, a Liberal Democrat MP, says that the government would do well to listen to Conservative peers in the Lords, some of whom expressed doubts about the EVEL plans yesterday. | Back to the debate currently going on in the commons – Alistair Carmichael, a Liberal Democrat MP, says that the government would do well to listen to Conservative peers in the Lords, some of whom expressed doubts about the EVEL plans yesterday. |
| He quotes Lord Forsyth of Drumlean, who said: | He quotes Lord Forsyth of Drumlean, who said: |
| I really do think that constitutional change should carry consensus. If we proceed on the basis that we think it would be a good wheeze to make a constitutional change or that it might advantage one party or another, then other parties will do the same when they are in power. As a result, people will lose faith in the integrity of the institution and it will be greatly damaged. | I really do think that constitutional change should carry consensus. If we proceed on the basis that we think it would be a good wheeze to make a constitutional change or that it might advantage one party or another, then other parties will do the same when they are in power. As a result, people will lose faith in the integrity of the institution and it will be greatly damaged. |
| He says its the first time he’s quoted Lord Forsyth with approval, but “these are clearly extraordinary times”. | He says its the first time he’s quoted Lord Forsyth with approval, but “these are clearly extraordinary times”. |
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| Danny Alexander in running for China bank role | Danny Alexander in running for China bank role |
| Bloomberg is reporting that former Liberal Democrat chief secretary to the Treasury, Danny Alexander, is in the running join China’s Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank. According to “two people familiar with the appointment process”, the government is considering putting Alexander forward for one of a small number of non-Asian seats on the development bank’s board. Alexander, who is 43, was rewarded for his time working in the coalition with a knighthood in the dissolution honours list. | Bloomberg is reporting that former Liberal Democrat chief secretary to the Treasury, Danny Alexander, is in the running join China’s Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank. According to “two people familiar with the appointment process”, the government is considering putting Alexander forward for one of a small number of non-Asian seats on the development bank’s board. Alexander, who is 43, was rewarded for his time working in the coalition with a knighthood in the dissolution honours list. |
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| Lunchtime summary | Lunchtime summary |
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| 13:58 | 13:58 |
| Tempers in the chamber are getting a bit frayed. Labour MP Graham Allen intervenes in Wishart’s speech to say: “The honourable gentleman is posing as a second class member of parliament but he is getting a first class allocation of time.” | Tempers in the chamber are getting a bit frayed. Labour MP Graham Allen intervenes in Wishart’s speech to say: “The honourable gentleman is posing as a second class member of parliament but he is getting a first class allocation of time.” |
| Pete Wishart responds: | Pete Wishart responds: |
| Can I say ever so gently to the honourable gentleman, this is being done to us... and it’s taken a hour and a half and six speeches before it comes to a Scottish member of parliament, so we will take our time and I won’t be rushing for the honourable gentleman. | Can I say ever so gently to the honourable gentleman, this is being done to us... and it’s taken a hour and a half and six speeches before it comes to a Scottish member of parliament, so we will take our time and I won’t be rushing for the honourable gentleman. |