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| Manchester United v West Bromwich Albion: Premier League – live! | Manchester United v West Bromwich Albion: Premier League – live! |
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| 3.51pm GMT15:51 | |
| It’s gone almost exactly as we imagined: West Brom have Rondon up front and then the other nine outfield players on the edge of their box, but Man United, for all their possession, just can’t break them down. Martial and Mata went close, but Myhill hasn’t really been stretched. Much for LvG to ponder. | |
| 3.48pm GMT15:48 | |
| Half-time: Man Utd 0-0 West Brom | |
| Well, we didn’t think it would be 2-2, did we? | |
| 3.48pm GMT15:48 | |
| 45 min + 2: With seconds to play, a free kick for West Brom. Brunt goes for goal, and it’s deflected, but no time to take the corner. That’s the half. | |
| 3.46pm GMT15:46 | |
| 45 min + 1: Two minutes of stoppage time. For what?! | |
| 3.45pm GMT15:45 | |
| 45 min: Martial with a free shot, and it’s beaten away by Myhill! The Frenchman was free in the area, and the ball fell to him, but his shot on the turn was too straight, and the goalie didn’t have to move. Chance! | |
| 3.44pm GMT15:44 | |
| 44 min: Yellow card for Dawson for pulling back Lingard. It’s a clear yellow, as obvious as the day is long, and Darren Fletcher comes over and starts screaming at the ref. What a bore. It was obvious! | |
| Updated at 3.44pm GMT | |
| 3.42pm GMT15:42 | |
| 43 min: It comes to nothing. Just having a look at that challenge on replay: Evans did brilliantly, but Lingard maybe took too long to get his shot away. | |
| 3.42pm GMT15:42 | |
| 42 min: Great block by Jonny Evans! Dawson gave it straight to Martial, who released Lingard, and it looked as though he was clear, one-on-one, but Evans did so well to come across with a sliding challenge. Excellent defending, but a bad mistake from Dawson. Then Martial has a go. Corner! | |
| 3.40pm GMT15:40 | |
| 40 min: Blind has come to play in central midfield, so scant is West Brom’s attacking threat, but for all their possession, United have struggled to create things. | |
| 3.38pm GMT15:38 | |
| 38 min: Good work from Rooney to speed past Darren Fletcher, but again, West Brom are back in numbers and they welly it clear. United haven’t really got in behind the defence this first half. | |
| Updated at 3.51pm GMT | |
| 3.36pm GMT15:36 | |
| 35 min: Corner to West Brom, their first. Evans knocks it back, De Gea flaps, and United just manage to get it away. | |
| Matt Richman asks: “Do you have accurate possession stats handy? I want to know how dominant LVG will say this drab performance was.” | |
| Our data says 76%, and Gary Taphouse on commentary just said United had had “more than three-quarters”, so they have been dominant. But West Brom’s defensive wall is big, striped, and full of bricks. | |
| 3.33pm GMT15:33 | |
| 33 min: Ashley Young runs forward, and then runs out of play. Oh dear. | |
| 3.32pm GMT15:32 | |
| 31 min: Rooney runs clear from Mata’s pass, but McCauley clanks over and gets in a block. The fans are getting restless! Albion’s huge D is giving United plenty to think about. | |
| 3.30pm GMT15:30 | |
| 29 min: Rojo came round the back and was unchecked, but Dawson did well to crane his neck and flick it clear. It’s the first corner of the match, and Rooney will take. Half-cleared, and then Schweinsteiger lofts it back in, but no alarms for West Brom, and it’s a goal kick. | |
| 3.28pm GMT15:28 | |
| 27 min: It’s just not quite happening for Man United. West Brom are suffocating them in defence. Think Greece 2004, or any team coached by Jose Mourinho. Joke! | |
| 3.25pm GMT15:25 | |
| 25 min: Ooh, Schweinsteiger was almost in there, but his touch let him down, if you can believe it. West Brom are pinned back on the edge of their box, but Carrick’s touch for Rooney is just mistimed, and the visitors can clear. | |
| 3.24pm GMT15:24 | |
| 23 min: Man United have had 76% possession so far, but not much in front of goal, that Mata chance aside. Van Gaal makes some notes in red pen. Ryan Giggs looks pensive. | |
| 3.22pm GMT15:22 | |
| 22 min: Rojo’s cross is hung up high, but Myhill claims. | |
| Here’s Adam Hirst: “So how many times at Old Trafford have the away team had more Manchester United Juniors playing for them than the home team?” Zing! | |
| Updated at 3.38pm GMT | |
| 3.21pm GMT15:21 | |
| 21 min: A bit more adventurous from West Brom, and James McClean’s ball in looks for Rondon, but he can’t get the direction, and it flicks off his head and wide. | |
| 3.17pm GMT15:17 | 3.17pm GMT15:17 |
| 17 min: Just wide from Juan Mata! Schweini found Rooney, who rolled Evans and found Mata free on the right-hand edge of the penalty box, but his left-footed curler was inches past the post. Good effort, though, and a good ball from Rooney. | 17 min: Just wide from Juan Mata! Schweini found Rooney, who rolled Evans and found Mata free on the right-hand edge of the penalty box, but his left-footed curler was inches past the post. Good effort, though, and a good ball from Rooney. |
| 3.16pm GMT15:16 | 3.16pm GMT15:16 |
| 16 min: Dawson does well to dispossess Lingard and find Rondon, but again, Smalling is across. Rondon is game, but he’s so isolated. | 16 min: Dawson does well to dispossess Lingard and find Rondon, but again, Smalling is across. Rondon is game, but he’s so isolated. |
| 3.13pm GMT15:13 | 3.13pm GMT15:13 |
| 13 min: United are on top here, and Schweinsteiger and Carrick have seen a lot of the ball, but West Brom have nine players strung across the edge of the box, and there’s hardly any space to play in the penalty area. | 13 min: United are on top here, and Schweinsteiger and Carrick have seen a lot of the ball, but West Brom have nine players strung across the edge of the box, and there’s hardly any space to play in the penalty area. |
| Updated at 3.15pm GMT | Updated at 3.15pm GMT |
| 3.11pm GMT15:11 | 3.11pm GMT15:11 |
| 11 min: United’s best move of the game, and Martial and Lingard were involved, releasing Rojo down the left, and his ball in was terrific, but no United player had burst into the area. A shame. | 11 min: United’s best move of the game, and Martial and Lingard were involved, releasing Rojo down the left, and his ball in was terrific, but no United player had burst into the area. A shame. |
| 3.09pm GMT15:09 | 3.09pm GMT15:09 |
| 9 min: Fletcher looks for Rondon over the top, in the inside-right channel, but Smalling does really well one-on-one to win it and stride clear. Top defending. | 9 min: Fletcher looks for Rondon over the top, in the inside-right channel, but Smalling does really well one-on-one to win it and stride clear. Top defending. |
| 3.08pm GMT15:08 | 3.08pm GMT15:08 |
| 8 min: West Brom have started in markedly defensive fashion. I don’t think it’ll be another 5-3. | 8 min: West Brom have started in markedly defensive fashion. I don’t think it’ll be another 5-3. |
| 3.06pm GMT15:06 | 3.06pm GMT15:06 |
| 6 min: Lingard has actually started on the left. Maybe he can get at Dawson, who’s not really a natural full-back. | 6 min: Lingard has actually started on the left. Maybe he can get at Dawson, who’s not really a natural full-back. |
| Here’s Christopher Dale: “Since when has Carrick been maligned? He’s been Utd’s most consistent player for about four seasons. Rooney, by contrast, has been consistently poor since about 2012, and is only just beginning to receive even a fraction of the scrutiny he deserves.” | Here’s Christopher Dale: “Since when has Carrick been maligned? He’s been Utd’s most consistent player for about four seasons. Rooney, by contrast, has been consistently poor since about 2012, and is only just beginning to receive even a fraction of the scrutiny he deserves.” |
| 3.04pm GMT15:04 | 3.04pm GMT15:04 |
| 4 min: Young gives it away to McClean with a poor crossfield pass, but West Brom have so few players in advanced positions McClean has no one to pass to, and the move breaks down. | 4 min: Young gives it away to McClean with a poor crossfield pass, but West Brom have so few players in advanced positions McClean has no one to pass to, and the move breaks down. |
| 3.03pm GMT15:03 | 3.03pm GMT15:03 |
| 3 min: Ashley Young continues at right-back for United. Matteo Darmian is suspended, so it figures, I guess, but is Young, at 30, really able to be converted into a full-back? | 3 min: Ashley Young continues at right-back for United. Matteo Darmian is suspended, so it figures, I guess, but is Young, at 30, really able to be converted into a full-back? |
| 3.01pm GMT15:01 | 3.01pm GMT15:01 |
| And we're off | And we're off |
| 1 min: United kick off, and within 25 seconds McClean is very late on Blind. That was a clear yellow! But no card from Mike Dean. Hmm. | 1 min: United kick off, and within 25 seconds McClean is very late on Blind. That was a clear yellow! But no card from Mike Dean. Hmm. |
| 3.00pm GMT15:00 | 3.00pm GMT15:00 |
| A minute’s silence for Remembrance Day. Impeccably observed. | A minute’s silence for Remembrance Day. Impeccably observed. |
| 2.59pm GMT14:59 | 2.59pm GMT14:59 |
| Not long now. Here’s Ray Reardon: ‘You are missing and Man U are missing their attacking left back Luke Shaw who actually made them go forward.” | Not long now. Here’s Ray Reardon: ‘You are missing and Man U are missing their attacking left back Luke Shaw who actually made them go forward.” |
| Yep, what a shame for Shaw. He carries the ball so well, doesn’t he? I hope he recovers OK. | Yep, what a shame for Shaw. He carries the ball so well, doesn’t he? I hope he recovers OK. |
| 2.58pm GMT14:58 | 2.58pm GMT14:58 |
| Teams are emerging at Old Trafford. The United mascot, Fred the Red, accompanies Louis van Gaal to the dugout. Two guys. One red-faced and chubby. The other Fred the Red. Zing! | Teams are emerging at Old Trafford. The United mascot, Fred the Red, accompanies Louis van Gaal to the dugout. Two guys. One red-faced and chubby. The other Fred the Red. Zing! |
| Updated at 3.05pm GMT | Updated at 3.05pm GMT |
| 2.55pm GMT14:55 | 2.55pm GMT14:55 |
| Here’s a good one: Man United have made just 81 chances in their 11 matches – the lowest in the Premier League. Maybe that’s why Carrick is back in the team: maligned though he is, he does look to pass forward. | Here’s a good one: Man United have made just 81 chances in their 11 matches – the lowest in the Premier League. Maybe that’s why Carrick is back in the team: maligned though he is, he does look to pass forward. |
| 2.40pm GMT14:40 | 2.40pm GMT14:40 |
| I’ve watched Man United a few times this season, and although results have been good, they’ve got some issues. Here’s what I think they need: | I’ve watched Man United a few times this season, and although results have been good, they’ve got some issues. Here’s what I think they need: |
| Anything I’ve missed? | Anything I’ve missed? |
| 2.34pm GMT14:34 | 2.34pm GMT14:34 |
| Bournemouth are about to lose again, undeservedly, by all accounts. They’re in stoppage time: | Bournemouth are about to lose again, undeservedly, by all accounts. They’re in stoppage time: |
| Related: Bournemouth v Newcastle United: Premier League – live! | Related: Bournemouth v Newcastle United: Premier League – live! |
| 2.32pm GMT14:32 | 2.32pm GMT14:32 |
| So a couple of changes for Man United: Michael Carrick comes in for Schneiderlin in midfield, and Jesse Lingard replaces Ander Herrera, meaning Mata, presumably, will play in that No10 position. | So a couple of changes for Man United: Michael Carrick comes in for Schneiderlin in midfield, and Jesse Lingard replaces Ander Herrera, meaning Mata, presumably, will play in that No10 position. |
| For the Baggies, just one change, I make it, from the team that lost at home to Leicester: James Morrison comes in for Saido Berahino, with Salomon Rondon, the Venezuelan, the lone man up front. | For the Baggies, just one change, I make it, from the team that lost at home to Leicester: James Morrison comes in for Saido Berahino, with Salomon Rondon, the Venezuelan, the lone man up front. |
| 2.29pm GMT14:29 | 2.29pm GMT14:29 |
| Teams | Teams |
| Man Utd: De Gea, Young, Smalling, Blind, Rojo, Carrick, Schweinsteiger, Mata, Rooney, Lingard, Martial. Subs: Jones, Depay, Romero, Ander Herrera, Schneiderlin, Andreas Pereira, Jackson. | Man Utd: De Gea, Young, Smalling, Blind, Rojo, Carrick, Schweinsteiger, Mata, Rooney, Lingard, Martial. Subs: Jones, Depay, Romero, Ander Herrera, Schneiderlin, Andreas Pereira, Jackson. |
| West Brom: Myhill, Dawson, McAuley, Evans, Brunt, Morrison, Yacob, Fletcher, McClean, Sessegnon, Rondon. Subs: Olsson, Chester, Gardner, Lambert, Berahino, McManaman, Lindegaard. | West Brom: Myhill, Dawson, McAuley, Evans, Brunt, Morrison, Yacob, Fletcher, McClean, Sessegnon, Rondon. Subs: Olsson, Chester, Gardner, Lambert, Berahino, McManaman, Lindegaard. |
| Referee: Mike Dean (Wirral) | Referee: Mike Dean (Wirral) |
| 2.26pm GMT14:26 | 2.26pm GMT14:26 |
| Hello and welcome | Hello and welcome |
| The once-great stylists are in a stodgy phase: they need a victory today after a couple of weeks that haven’t been all that easy on the eye. But enough about West Brom! (Honk!) Man United have been grim recently, too, although they look solid enough defensively. This game could be a classic, but let’s be real here: t’s more likely to be an low-scoring bore. Join us at 10am ET, 3pm BST. | The once-great stylists are in a stodgy phase: they need a victory today after a couple of weeks that haven’t been all that easy on the eye. But enough about West Brom! (Honk!) Man United have been grim recently, too, although they look solid enough defensively. This game could be a classic, but let’s be real here: t’s more likely to be an low-scoring bore. Join us at 10am ET, 3pm BST. |
| 8.51pm GMT20:51 | 8.51pm GMT20:51 |
| Tim will be here shortly. In the meantime here’s Daniel Taylor’s thoughts on discontent among United fans: | Tim will be here shortly. In the meantime here’s Daniel Taylor’s thoughts on discontent among United fans: |
| Amid all the rancour and frustration, it has almost seemed to go unnoticed during this jarring spell for Manchester United that Louis van Gaal’s team have now gone seven hours and 45 minutes since anybody scored past them. It is their best run, defensively, since 2008, even if it does not feel like a cause for great jubilation when we have to go back much further to find the last time a manager at Old Trafford faced so much open dissent. | Amid all the rancour and frustration, it has almost seemed to go unnoticed during this jarring spell for Manchester United that Louis van Gaal’s team have now gone seven hours and 45 minutes since anybody scored past them. It is their best run, defensively, since 2008, even if it does not feel like a cause for great jubilation when we have to go back much further to find the last time a manager at Old Trafford faced so much open dissent. |
| That eruption of anger when Van Gaal removed Anthony Martial during an uptight 1-0 win over CSKA Moscow to put on his “Plan B”, Marouane Fellaini, had been building slowly. “One win in six,” Andy Mitten, the editor of United We Stand, posted on Twitter after the prosaic goalless draw at Crystal Palace last weekend. “No goals scored in four of those games of largely entertainment-free football. It’s nowhere near good enough.” | That eruption of anger when Van Gaal removed Anthony Martial during an uptight 1-0 win over CSKA Moscow to put on his “Plan B”, Marouane Fellaini, had been building slowly. “One win in six,” Andy Mitten, the editor of United We Stand, posted on Twitter after the prosaic goalless draw at Crystal Palace last weekend. “No goals scored in four of those games of largely entertainment-free football. It’s nowhere near good enough.” |
| It also goes further back than just the last half-dozen games if the issue is about the team’s style, and the question of whether Van Gaal has to fit in with United’s traditions or the club have to fit in with him. For now, the answer was provided by the sulphurous reaction to Martial’s removal, and the chants that effectively called into question the Dutchman’s tactics. | It also goes further back than just the last half-dozen games if the issue is about the team’s style, and the question of whether Van Gaal has to fit in with United’s traditions or the club have to fit in with him. For now, the answer was provided by the sulphurous reaction to Martial’s removal, and the chants that effectively called into question the Dutchman’s tactics. |
| Sir Alex Ferguson once banned MUTV, United’s own channel, after one of its presenters had the temerity to express a preference for 4-4-2 rather than 4-5-1. Van Gaal has not reached that stage but he does not like being questioned in this manner and that leaves everything feeling very awkward given the way his philosophy is clearly grating with many fans. | Sir Alex Ferguson once banned MUTV, United’s own channel, after one of its presenters had the temerity to express a preference for 4-4-2 rather than 4-5-1. Van Gaal has not reached that stage but he does not like being questioned in this manner and that leaves everything feeling very awkward given the way his philosophy is clearly grating with many fans. |
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| Updated at 2.09pm GMT | Updated at 2.09pm GMT |