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Malcolm Turnbull says Australia survived the dismissal without civil unrest – politics live Senate talks tax as Labor and Coalition wrangle over citizenship bill – politics live
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Lunchtime politics before anything else happens
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I’m looking for a collective verb for crossbenchers.
Bob Katter, Andrew Wilkie, Nick Xenophon and Bob Katter and speaking against any rise in the GST.
Their message is any move would be lazy and slug the poorest and most vulnerable in the community.
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Malcolm Turnbull was also asked about his earlier views on the governor general, the Queen and the prospect of King Charles.
We all say things we regret when we’re 21 but do you still think the governor-general is “an unelected ribbon cutter” and did this [dismissal event form your views on an Australian republic?
Well, I think I was always a republican, but you know, at the age of 61, one tends to express yourself a little bit more perhaps prudently or moderately than you do at 21. But nonetheless, it was interesting. It’s interesting as a young person writing about it as very much a baby journalist at the time... on one of the things I said at the time was that I thought that the sacking of Whitlam by Kerr would actually help the Labor Party in the election and of course that was my opinion then. Clearly wrong.
Laurie Oakes asked him how he would feel about the prospect of Prince Charles becoming the Australian head of state given his earlier views.
The Queen is the head of state, Prince Charles is our heir and our constitution as you know says that the Queen, in effect our head of state, is whoever happens to be the King or Queen of the United Kingdom so if Charles become the King of the United Kingdom as I have no doubt he will be, unless our constitution has been changed, he will become the King of Australia.
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There is interesting moves afoot on citizenship. As reported earlier, the government briefed Labor on the citizenship legislation just last night. The Coalition wants a debate today and a vote in the house tomorrow.There is interesting moves afoot on citizenship. As reported earlier, the government briefed Labor on the citizenship legislation just last night. The Coalition wants a debate today and a vote in the house tomorrow.
Labor want to ensure that the legislation reflects the recommendations of the PJCIS report - also mentioned earlier. But Labor has only been briefed on 12 of the 27 new amendments to the citizenship legislation which strips dual nationals of Australian citizenship.Labor want to ensure that the legislation reflects the recommendations of the PJCIS report - also mentioned earlier. But Labor has only been briefed on 12 of the 27 new amendments to the citizenship legislation which strips dual nationals of Australian citizenship.
So Labor is resisting the government’s program to bring on debate until they have been fully briefed on the implications of the legislation while the government, through immigration minister Peter Dutton, is pushing back - insisting it must happen.So Labor is resisting the government’s program to bring on debate until they have been fully briefed on the implications of the legislation while the government, through immigration minister Peter Dutton, is pushing back - insisting it must happen.
We still don’t know if the debate will go ahead this afternoon after question time.We still don’t know if the debate will go ahead this afternoon after question time.
Also at issue is whether the legislation is constitutional.Also at issue is whether the legislation is constitutional.
In a short doorstop, Malcolm Turnbull said he was:In a short doorstop, Malcolm Turnbull said he was:
confident the legislation would withstand a high court challenge but only time will tell.confident the legislation would withstand a high court challenge but only time will tell.
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But here is a counterpoint between Malcolm now and Malcolm then.But here is a counterpoint between Malcolm now and Malcolm then.
He has just said this today about the outcome of the dismissal.He has just said this today about the outcome of the dismissal.
What should always be remembered and respected is that Australia survived this incendiary political crisis without civil unrest much less violence. The basic fabric of national unity, the support of parliament and the law, remained strong. Ultimately, in 1975 the electorate, the people, had the opportunity to declare their verdict and they did so most emphatically in the best way we have for deciding such matters, through a free vote....ultimately the Australian people voted on the question of economic management. That’s what they voted on. They didn’t vote on the question of the vice regal crisis or the constitutional crisis, they voted to tip out the Whitlam Government because they felt they were mismanaging Australia’s economy.What should always be remembered and respected is that Australia survived this incendiary political crisis without civil unrest much less violence. The basic fabric of national unity, the support of parliament and the law, remained strong. Ultimately, in 1975 the electorate, the people, had the opportunity to declare their verdict and they did so most emphatically in the best way we have for deciding such matters, through a free vote....ultimately the Australian people voted on the question of economic management. That’s what they voted on. They didn’t vote on the question of the vice regal crisis or the constitutional crisis, they voted to tip out the Whitlam Government because they felt they were mismanaging Australia’s economy.
Here is what Malcolm said in the Nation Review in 1975:Here is what Malcolm said in the Nation Review in 1975:
Unless Australians are unusually confident in vice regal wisdom it is likely that the dismissal will provide even more support for the Labor party.Unless Australians are unusually confident in vice regal wisdom it is likely that the dismissal will provide even more support for the Labor party.
The election was a landslide win for Malcolm Fraser.The election was a landslide win for Malcolm Fraser.
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Turnbull says Sir John Kerr should have given Whitlam notice.Turnbull says Sir John Kerr should have given Whitlam notice.
Lucky the quick thinking Daniel Hurst gave me the previous post as Turnbull has just started speaking on the dismissal.Lucky the quick thinking Daniel Hurst gave me the previous post as Turnbull has just started speaking on the dismissal.
For what it’s worth, I believe then and I still do that Sir John should have given Whitlam notice of his intentions. His justification that if he had, which he gave to me some years later and he’s written himself that if he had done so he feared that Whitlam would sack him first, I don’t think is an adequate justification for that failure of notice. Nonetheless, it’s 40 years away, it’s history, everyone’s entitled to a view.For what it’s worth, I believe then and I still do that Sir John should have given Whitlam notice of his intentions. His justification that if he had, which he gave to me some years later and he’s written himself that if he had done so he feared that Whitlam would sack him first, I don’t think is an adequate justification for that failure of notice. Nonetheless, it’s 40 years away, it’s history, everyone’s entitled to a view.
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Turnbull: Kerr condemned himself to an eternity in the history books portrayed as a villain. (Circa 1975)Turnbull: Kerr condemned himself to an eternity in the history books portrayed as a villain. (Circa 1975)
Daniel HurstDaniel Hurst
Malcolm Turnbull has previously argued that former governor general John Kerr, by his actions, had “condemned himself to an eternity in the history books portrayed as a villain” and elevated Whitlam to the status of a political martyr.Malcolm Turnbull has previously argued that former governor general John Kerr, by his actions, had “condemned himself to an eternity in the history books portrayed as a villain” and elevated Whitlam to the status of a political martyr.
In an article in the Nation Review, published a few days after the dismissal, Turnbull said Kerr’s decision was not an act of last resort.In an article in the Nation Review, published a few days after the dismissal, Turnbull said Kerr’s decision was not an act of last resort.
Sir John Kerr, like Sir Philip Game, has shown that we cannot allow so much power to be vested in an unelected official who spends most of his days attending dinners. Not even the US president can dissolve congress,” the then journalist wrote in November 1975.Sir John Kerr, like Sir Philip Game, has shown that we cannot allow so much power to be vested in an unelected official who spends most of his days attending dinners. Not even the US president can dissolve congress,” the then journalist wrote in November 1975.
Once again, can this unelected ribbon cutter be permitted to act on the advice of people other than the elected government? Clearly if we are to persist with the office of governor general his ability to consult those other than the ministry must also be abolished by amendments to the royal instructions.”Once again, can this unelected ribbon cutter be permitted to act on the advice of people other than the elected government? Clearly if we are to persist with the office of governor general his ability to consult those other than the ministry must also be abolished by amendments to the royal instructions.”
The governor general’s other options, he wrote, included publicly asking the Senate to pass the supply bills, a plea that could have “swung the waverers” in the upper house. While such an act would have involved Kerr “stepping right into the centre of the political arena”, this would have been less of a public intervention than dismissing the prime minister, Turnbull said.The governor general’s other options, he wrote, included publicly asking the Senate to pass the supply bills, a plea that could have “swung the waverers” in the upper house. While such an act would have involved Kerr “stepping right into the centre of the political arena”, this would have been less of a public intervention than dismissing the prime minister, Turnbull said.
Turnbull argued another option was to tell Whitlam that there had to be an election and give him the choice of going into it as prime minister or leader of the opposition.Turnbull argued another option was to tell Whitlam that there had to be an election and give him the choice of going into it as prime minister or leader of the opposition.
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Like ships in the night.Like ships in the night.
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Shalailah MedhoraShalailah Medhora
Bipartisanship seems to be the main issue of the day, with the former prime minister, Kevin Rudd, urging both major parties to work together to achieve constitutional recognition for Indigenous people.Bipartisanship seems to be the main issue of the day, with the former prime minister, Kevin Rudd, urging both major parties to work together to achieve constitutional recognition for Indigenous people.
Australia risks engaging in an ugly “political bunfight” with a “divisive” no campaign if a referendum to recognise Australia’s first peoples in the constitution does not secure bipartisan support, he will say at a reconciliation speech to be delivered the Australian National University on Wednesday night.Australia risks engaging in an ugly “political bunfight” with a “divisive” no campaign if a referendum to recognise Australia’s first peoples in the constitution does not secure bipartisan support, he will say at a reconciliation speech to be delivered the Australian National University on Wednesday night.
The no campaign for the referendum, he will warn, will be “ugly” and pull no punches.The no campaign for the referendum, he will warn, will be “ugly” and pull no punches.
The race demon has not yet been fully exorcised or expunged from our national soul. The world would conclude that the ghosts of White Australia had somehow returned in a different form.The race demon has not yet been fully exorcised or expunged from our national soul. The world would conclude that the ghosts of White Australia had somehow returned in a different form.
Rudd delivered an official apology to members of the Stolen Generation in Parliament in 2008, shortly after winning office.Rudd delivered an official apology to members of the Stolen Generation in Parliament in 2008, shortly after winning office.
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Coming up, Malcolm Turnbull will launch Paul Kelly and Troy Bramston’s book The Dismissal at 12.30pm.Coming up, Malcolm Turnbull will launch Paul Kelly and Troy Bramston’s book The Dismissal at 12.30pm.
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Ok the senate is back on now and we are going back to the tax laws amendment. If you are into the deep detail, Michael West at Fairfax has done a very interesting analysis/comment which is worth a look to see how the pieces of legislation fit together.Ok the senate is back on now and we are going back to the tax laws amendment. If you are into the deep detail, Michael West at Fairfax has done a very interesting analysis/comment which is worth a look to see how the pieces of legislation fit together.
An opposition amendment has just appeared on the parliamentary website - separate to the Greens amendment. The opposition amendment says:An opposition amendment has just appeared on the parliamentary website - separate to the Greens amendment. The opposition amendment says:
The Commissioner may determine that subsection (2) does not apply in relation to an entity if the Commissioner is satisfied that to make the information publicly available may be significantly prejudicial to any of the entity’s current or future commercial negotiations.The Commissioner may determine that subsection (2) does not apply in relation to an entity if the Commissioner is satisfied that to make the information publicly available may be significantly prejudicial to any of the entity’s current or future commercial negotiations.
In other words, they are trying to change the “kidnap” part of the bill which allows wealthy private companies to apply to the tax commissioner for exemption from being forced to publish their tax details.In other words, they are trying to change the “kidnap” part of the bill which allows wealthy private companies to apply to the tax commissioner for exemption from being forced to publish their tax details.
This would be a compromise so that private companies earning more than $100m could apply to the commissioner if there was case for their details not to be published.This would be a compromise so that private companies earning more than $100m could apply to the commissioner if there was case for their details not to be published.
Will it be passed? Stick with us.Will it be passed? Stick with us.
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Our heritage picture correspondent @MattGlassDarkly is wondering...Our heritage picture correspondent @MattGlassDarkly is wondering...
@gabriellechan What I'd really like to know is - what's it like to be a biscuit tin? @mpbowers pic.twitter.com/FC5mvzYQ1d@gabriellechan What I'd really like to know is - what's it like to be a biscuit tin? @mpbowers pic.twitter.com/FC5mvzYQ1d
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So handy to get together and talk strategy.So handy to get together and talk strategy.
Ex PM's club Kevin Rudd talks to Tony Abbott #RemembranceDay2015 @GuardianAus @gabriellechan #politicslive pic.twitter.com/zIdCmNPyDuEx PM's club Kevin Rudd talks to Tony Abbott #RemembranceDay2015 @GuardianAus @gabriellechan #politicslive pic.twitter.com/zIdCmNPyDu
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Just got off the phone with Philip Ruddock's office. And no, he's not retiring #auspolJust got off the phone with Philip Ruddock's office. And no, he's not retiring #auspol
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Two old friends - Brendan Nelson and Malcolm Turnbull - get together.Two old friends - Brendan Nelson and Malcolm Turnbull - get together.
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His parents will be proud.His parents will be proud.
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Got to love school kids. Via Mike Bowers.Got to love school kids. Via Mike Bowers.
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From Mr Mike Bowers.From Mr Mike Bowers.
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Nat, Lib, Indie.Nat, Lib, Indie.
#RemembranceDay2015 with @Wyatt_MP & Kevin Hogan MP many gathered to pay respects to fallen @AWMemorial pic.twitter.com/mC4tdoQobx#RemembranceDay2015 with @Wyatt_MP & Kevin Hogan MP many gathered to pay respects to fallen @AWMemorial pic.twitter.com/mC4tdoQobx
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My money is on preselection and/or whether the “father of the house” will go around again.My money is on preselection and/or whether the “father of the house” will go around again.
Dear All, I will be making an importance announcement later today via twitter. #auspol PhilipDear All, I will be making an importance announcement later today via twitter. #auspol Philip
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Dignitaries are laying wreaths at the war memorial.Dignitaries are laying wreaths at the war memorial.
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As the previous news breaks, Indigenous author and historian Dr Jackie Huggins is addressing the crowd at the remembrance day service, talking about her family’s long history of war service. Her grandfather John Huggins, served in the first world war and her father in the second. Her father, also John Huggins, was prisoner of war but survived to return home. He died at 38 of complications of his war injuries. As the previous news breaks, the Indigenous author and historian Dr Jackie Huggins is addressing the crowd at the Remembrance day service, talking about her family’s long history of war service. Her grandfather, John Huggins, served in the first world war and her father in the second. Her father, also John Huggins, was a prisoner of war but survived. He died aged 38 of complications of his war injuries.
When my father returned to civilian life, he did not experience the invisibility and exclusion dished out to many other Aboriginal service people. Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander veterans were often denied the honour and rights given to other veterans such as soldier settlement land grants. Many were refused membership, even entrance to RSL clubs. Asa prominent member of a local community, my father was welcomed at the Eyre RSL club where he enjoyed a drink or two. He sought comfort in the POW association. When my father returned to civilian life, he did not experience the invisibility and exclusion dished out to many other Aboriginal service people. Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander veterans were often denied the honour and rights given to other veterans such as soldier settlement land grants. Many were refused membership, even entrance to RSL clubs. As a prominent member of a local community, my father was welcomed at the Eyre RSL club where he enjoyed a drink or two. He sought comfort in the PoW association.
My father and grandfather, along with many other Indigenous men and women, served our nation in war. Yet the dispossession beginning in 1788 had destroyed their ancient civilisation. However, their abiding loyalty to this country we all call home rose above the deep bitterness of the past. These men and women forged new identities that challenged the haunting devastations brought by widespread, violent, colonial brutality and heralded a new and different future for us all.My father and grandfather, along with many other Indigenous men and women, served our nation in war. Yet the dispossession beginning in 1788 had destroyed their ancient civilisation. However, their abiding loyalty to this country we all call home rose above the deep bitterness of the past. These men and women forged new identities that challenged the haunting devastations brought by widespread, violent, colonial brutality and heralded a new and different future for us all.
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Helen Davidson reports that a challenge Northern Australian Aboriginal Justice Agency to the Northern Territory paperless arrest laws has failed. Helen Davidson reports that a challenge by Northern Australian Aboriginal Justice Agency to the Northern Territory paperless arrest laws has failed.
The high court has upheld the Northern Territory’s controversial paperless arrest laws, which allow police to detain people without charge for minor offences, and which has been linked to at least one death in custody. The high court has upheld the Northern Territory’s controversial paperless arrest laws, which allow police to detain people without charge for minor offences, and which have been linked to at least one death in custody.
Under the scheme police could arrest someone if they suspected that person had committed or would commit a summary offence – which would ordinarily carry a fine – and hold them for up to four hours, or longer if drunk.Under the scheme police could arrest someone if they suspected that person had committed or would commit a summary offence – which would ordinarily carry a fine – and hold them for up to four hours, or longer if drunk.
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Fantastic photo from Dean Lewins of AAP.Fantastic photo from Dean Lewins of AAP.
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Prince Charles and the Camilla, the Duchess of Cornwall have arrived. Prince Charles and Camilla, the duchess of Cornwall, have arrived.
There’s lots of shouting. Official shouting.There’s lots of shouting. Official shouting.
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Umbrellas no longer bipartisan.Umbrellas no longer bipartisan.
@fitzhunter not so effective umbrella, rescued by @M_McCormackMP pic.twitter.com/KjQ7K3Aq3q@fitzhunter not so effective umbrella, rescued by @M_McCormackMP pic.twitter.com/KjQ7K3Aq3q
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Former prime ministers @MrKRudd and @TonyAbbottMHR catching up before the Remembrance Day service in Canberra pic.twitter.com/6b7RjAsOlkFormer prime ministers @MrKRudd and @TonyAbbottMHR catching up before the Remembrance Day service in Canberra pic.twitter.com/6b7RjAsOlk
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The prime minister and his wife Lucy have arrived at the War Memorial ceremony, which is outside and therefore a sea of brollies. The prime minister and his wife, Lucy, have arrived at the war memorial ceremony, which is outside and therefore a sea of brollies.
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Canberra is wet.Canberra is wet.
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The Greens have announced they will not support the government’s cuts to Family Tax Benefit payments or Labor’s proposal for a revised cut that will only target couples on a low income with children over 13. The Greens have announced they will not support the government’s cuts to family tax benefit payments or Labor’s proposal for a revised cut that will only target couples on a low income with children over 13.
This was the thing that Labor announced yesterday, saying they would block most of the cuts, apart from one relating to families with children between the ages of 13 and 16. Greens senator Rachel Siewert: This was the thing that Labor announced yesterday, saying it would block most of the cuts, apart from one relating to families with children between the ages of 13 and 16. Greens senator Rachel Siewert:
Raising teenagers is also expensive for low income coupled families. It is still fundamentally unfair that both the Turnbull government and Labor party are seeking to make savings at the expense of such families. The Labor party claims to be the heroes of the low income families accessing this payment but apparently some are more important than others. How is it fair for Bill Shorten to say they are defending single parents and grandparent care in knocking back the cuts to FTBB for children over 13 but leave coupled families behind. Raising teenagers is also expensive for low-income coupled families. It is still fundamentally unfair that both the Turnbull government and Labor party are seeking to make savings at the expense of such families. The Labor party claims to be the heroes of the low-income families accessing this payment but apparently some are more important than others. How is it fair for Bill Shorten to say they are defending single parents and grandparent care in knocking back the cuts to FTBB for children over 13 but leave coupled families behind?
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The senate and the house are now suspended for the remembrance day. The Senate and the house are now suspended for the Remembrance day ceremony.
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At this stage in the Senate, senators get a chance to grill appropriate ministers on the tax legislation. Yesterday, the finance minister, Mathias Cormann, was answering questions but today we have seen Mitch Fifield take over and now Concetta Fierravanti-Wells. There is some consternation over the details of the legislation.At this stage in the Senate, senators get a chance to grill appropriate ministers on the tax legislation. Yesterday, the finance minister, Mathias Cormann, was answering questions but today we have seen Mitch Fifield take over and now Concetta Fierravanti-Wells. There is some consternation over the details of the legislation.
My mail has it that not many of the crossbenchers support the Greens’ amendment. Labor is unclear but I am checking there. Presumably government representatives are playing soothing music to crossbenchers in their special room right now.My mail has it that not many of the crossbenchers support the Greens’ amendment. Labor is unclear but I am checking there. Presumably government representatives are playing soothing music to crossbenchers in their special room right now.
Updated at 11.21pm GMTUpdated at 11.21pm GMT
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Greens senator Peter Whish-Wilson wants to know who lobbied the government to shield private individuals from tax transparency.Greens senator Peter Whish-Wilson wants to know who lobbied the government to shield private individuals from tax transparency.
Mitch Fifield, representing the government, said the principle of taxpayer confidentiality was an important one and that Whish-Wilson’s image of lobbyists in “darkened rooms” was not appropriate.Mitch Fifield, representing the government, said the principle of taxpayer confidentiality was an important one and that Whish-Wilson’s image of lobbyists in “darkened rooms” was not appropriate.
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In the Senate, debate continues on the tax laws amendment (combating multinational tax avoidance) bill.In the Senate, debate continues on the tax laws amendment (combating multinational tax avoidance) bill.
This is the bill that acts to stop multinational companies shifting profits offshore and avoiding tax. It continues last night’s debate.This is the bill that acts to stop multinational companies shifting profits offshore and avoiding tax. It continues last night’s debate.
The history on this is that the tax and superannuation laws amendment (better targeting the income tax transparency laws) bill 2015 passed through the Senate on October 15, without a vote because Labor forgot to call for a division.The history on this is that the tax and superannuation laws amendment (better targeting the income tax transparency laws) bill 2015 passed through the Senate on October 15, without a vote because Labor forgot to call for a division.
Labor opposed because it included a provision which exempted the publication of tax information from private companies with annual turnovers of more than $100m. This was known as the “kidnap” bill because we would not know people like Gina Rinehart were rich unless her tax information was published. Lols.Labor opposed because it included a provision which exempted the publication of tax information from private companies with annual turnovers of more than $100m. This was known as the “kidnap” bill because we would not know people like Gina Rinehart were rich unless her tax information was published. Lols.
The Greens have been looking for a way to bring the bill back to the Senate for a vote so they are trying to amend a different but related bill, the tax laws amendment (combating multinational tax avoidance) bill 2015.The Greens have been looking for a way to bring the bill back to the Senate for a vote so they are trying to amend a different but related bill, the tax laws amendment (combating multinational tax avoidance) bill 2015.
The amendment would mean that as a function of this multinational tax bill passing, the “kidnap law” would be repealed.The amendment would mean that as a function of this multinational tax bill passing, the “kidnap law” would be repealed.
The other unfortunate part of this whole legislative process saw an “astroturf group” trick some of the senators on a legislative committee into thinking family businesses would be disadvantaged against larger companies.The other unfortunate part of this whole legislative process saw an “astroturf group” trick some of the senators on a legislative committee into thinking family businesses would be disadvantaged against larger companies.
Both the independent senator Nick Xenophon and the Greens senator Peter Whish-Wilson told the Senate yesterday they were embarrassed that they were tricked by the astroturf group. Our Fairfax colleague Heath Aston did some great work on this and revealed this particular group.Both the independent senator Nick Xenophon and the Greens senator Peter Whish-Wilson told the Senate yesterday they were embarrassed that they were tricked by the astroturf group. Our Fairfax colleague Heath Aston did some great work on this and revealed this particular group.
Astroturfing, for those unfamiliar, is the practice of creating a fake “grass roots” group to lobby politicians.Astroturfing, for those unfamiliar, is the practice of creating a fake “grass roots” group to lobby politicians.
Labor senator Sam Dastyari, who has also done a lot of work on transparency and big business, has argued with the communications and arts minister, Mitch Fifield, about the need for tax transparency.Labor senator Sam Dastyari, who has also done a lot of work on transparency and big business, has argued with the communications and arts minister, Mitch Fifield, about the need for tax transparency.
There isn’t a groundswell of opposition to this information being published.There isn’t a groundswell of opposition to this information being published.
He said there is a small group of wealthy individuals who “don’t want this information out” and are paying large amounts of money to lobby against transparency.He said there is a small group of wealthy individuals who “don’t want this information out” and are paying large amounts of money to lobby against transparency.
Updated at 11.20pm GMTUpdated at 11.20pm GMT
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In case you missed it, Kevin Rudd called out Cardinal George Pell’s sceptical views on climate change. Delivering a speech to Melbourne University’s trinity college on Tuesday night, Rudd said that although Pell was perfectly entitled to express his views, it was high time his view was challenged – especially in the lead-up to the climate talks in Paris.In case you missed it, Kevin Rudd called out Cardinal George Pell’s sceptical views on climate change. Delivering a speech to Melbourne University’s trinity college on Tuesday night, Rudd said that although Pell was perfectly entitled to express his views, it was high time his view was challenged – especially in the lead-up to the climate talks in Paris.
In case you haven’t caught up with Pell’s statements, they include this cracker.In case you haven’t caught up with Pell’s statements, they include this cracker.
In the past pagans sacrificed animals and even humans in vain attempts to placate capricious and cruel gods, while today they demand reductions in carbon emissions.In the past pagans sacrificed animals and even humans in vain attempts to placate capricious and cruel gods, while today they demand reductions in carbon emissions.
Rudd has had enough, Lenore Taylor reports.Rudd has had enough, Lenore Taylor reports.
After many years of silence in response to Cardinal Pell’s public critique of my government’s policy on climate change, the reason I have chosen to enter the debate now is, on the eve of the Paris conference, we once again enter into a critical time both for Australia and the world.After many years of silence in response to Cardinal Pell’s public critique of my government’s policy on climate change, the reason I have chosen to enter the debate now is, on the eve of the Paris conference, we once again enter into a critical time both for Australia and the world.
It is, therefore, no small matter, at this most critical of times, for the ethical waters, at least in the community of faith, to be so deeply muddied by such radical climate change sceptics as Cardinal Pell, and for his commentary to go without challenge. Of course he is free to contribute to the public policy debate in any manner he wishes. But it is equally important, particularly now that Cardinal Pell has become a global figure, to have his ... statements on climate change challenged by others in the public space. It is high time his views were confronted head on. The stakes are now far too high for us all.It is, therefore, no small matter, at this most critical of times, for the ethical waters, at least in the community of faith, to be so deeply muddied by such radical climate change sceptics as Cardinal Pell, and for his commentary to go without challenge. Of course he is free to contribute to the public policy debate in any manner he wishes. But it is equally important, particularly now that Cardinal Pell has become a global figure, to have his ... statements on climate change challenged by others in the public space. It is high time his views were confronted head on. The stakes are now far too high for us all.
Rudd noted Pell’s break with the views of the Pope Francis.Rudd noted Pell’s break with the views of the Pope Francis.
The pope says the science on climate change is sufficiently clear. Cardinal Pell says it is not, and further that the purported science is without foundation. The pope says all of humanity faces a common ethical challenge to protect the planet from climate change. Because Cardinal Pell disputes the science, he says there is little if any ethical imperative at all. And on the question of the policy imperative, the pope speaks with urgency. Cardinal Pell describes policy measures as an unnecessary fad and an unacceptable cost to both companies and consumers.The pope says the science on climate change is sufficiently clear. Cardinal Pell says it is not, and further that the purported science is without foundation. The pope says all of humanity faces a common ethical challenge to protect the planet from climate change. Because Cardinal Pell disputes the science, he says there is little if any ethical imperative at all. And on the question of the policy imperative, the pope speaks with urgency. Cardinal Pell describes policy measures as an unnecessary fad and an unacceptable cost to both companies and consumers.
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The former Christmas Island administrator, Jon Stanhope, has criticised federal government secrecy over the death of an asylum seeker, Fazel Chegeni, which sparked unrest at the island’s detention centre.The former Christmas Island administrator, Jon Stanhope, has criticised federal government secrecy over the death of an asylum seeker, Fazel Chegeni, which sparked unrest at the island’s detention centre.
Stanhope said if the death had been a traffic accident police would be open about it and would not cite the coroner’s involvement as an obstacle to discussing it.Stanhope said if the death had been a traffic accident police would be open about it and would not cite the coroner’s involvement as an obstacle to discussing it.
You know, it’s blatant nonsense to suggest that a politician can’t speak about the death of somebody within your care and control and custody, as a result of the need for the matter to be referred to the coroner.You know, it’s blatant nonsense to suggest that a politician can’t speak about the death of somebody within your care and control and custody, as a result of the need for the matter to be referred to the coroner.
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The house has started sitting.The house has started sitting.
Tony Burke, Labor’s manager of business, fires a shot across the bow regarding citizenship legislation. He notes the bill is on the program and suggests, given Labor is still scrutinising it – including getting briefings – he hopes the government will allow it time.Tony Burke, Labor’s manager of business, fires a shot across the bow regarding citizenship legislation. He notes the bill is on the program and suggests, given Labor is still scrutinising it – including getting briefings – he hopes the government will allow it time.
Today, we will see if it really is a new paradigm.Today, we will see if it really is a new paradigm.
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Rosie Lewis at the Oz has an interesting insight into the change in Coalition approach since the dumping of Tony Abbott.Rosie Lewis at the Oz has an interesting insight into the change in Coalition approach since the dumping of Tony Abbott.
Malcolm the Magnanimous has offered a special Senate crossbench meeting room on the first floor of Parliament House. Who knows what goes on in there? Bob Day probably gets out the guitar. Maybe Lambie kicks off her heels. Oh to be a fly on the wall.Malcolm the Magnanimous has offered a special Senate crossbench meeting room on the first floor of Parliament House. Who knows what goes on in there? Bob Day probably gets out the guitar. Maybe Lambie kicks off her heels. Oh to be a fly on the wall.
We’ve been given a meeting room on the Senate side with a very nice view – we’re delighted. We said, ‘Let’s invite the prime minister to come and have a chat’ and he didn’t hesitate, which was great.We’ve been given a meeting room on the Senate side with a very nice view – we’re delighted. We said, ‘Let’s invite the prime minister to come and have a chat’ and he didn’t hesitate, which was great.
It’s definitely a milestone. It’s been a bit of a slog but I think in the last few weeks the reset button has been pressed and we start again. We’re off to a good start.It’s definitely a milestone. It’s been a bit of a slog but I think in the last few weeks the reset button has been pressed and we start again. We’re off to a good start.
Updated at 10.24pm GMTUpdated at 10.24pm GMT
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Hello, Aus Senate tweeps. We love you, too.Hello, Aus Senate tweeps. We love you, too.
The #Senate will suspend today from 10.15 until 11.45 am to allow senators to attend #RemembranceDay servicesThe #Senate will suspend today from 10.15 until 11.45 am to allow senators to attend #RemembranceDay services
Updated at 10.23pm GMTUpdated at 10.23pm GMT
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How business is done.How business is done.
There is going to be a whole lot of this today on the citizenship bill. This photo from yesterday by Lukas Coch of AAP shows the horse-trading that goes on to get legislation through.There is going to be a whole lot of this today on the citizenship bill. This photo from yesterday by Lukas Coch of AAP shows the horse-trading that goes on to get legislation through.
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Dutton expects a high court challenge to the dual nationals citizenship billDutton expects a high court challenge to the dual nationals citizenship bill
Notwithstanding the Remembrance day memorial service, the Government House business, the curtsying and chortling with the royals, there is some very serious business in the parliament.Notwithstanding the Remembrance day memorial service, the Government House business, the curtsying and chortling with the royals, there is some very serious business in the parliament.
The citizenship amendment will come back to the house after the scrutiny of the parliamentary joint committee on intelligence and security (PJCIS). That committee heard the finest legal minds criticise the proposed legislation, which sought to strip citizenship from dual nationals for various offences.The citizenship amendment will come back to the house after the scrutiny of the parliamentary joint committee on intelligence and security (PJCIS). That committee heard the finest legal minds criticise the proposed legislation, which sought to strip citizenship from dual nationals for various offences.
For example, the constitutional lawyer Prof George Williams described the bill as “one of the most poorly drafted” he had seen. He wasn’t talking fiddles around the edges.For example, the constitutional lawyer Prof George Williams described the bill as “one of the most poorly drafted” he had seen. He wasn’t talking fiddles around the edges.
The bill lists three ways dual nationals can automatically lose Australian citizenship. First, a person renounces citizenship “by conduct” if they engage in terrorist activity. Second, if they go overseas to fight for foreign armies deemed enemies of Australia, or listed terrorist organisations. Third, if they are convicted of terrorism offences or “certain other offences” by an Australian court.The bill lists three ways dual nationals can automatically lose Australian citizenship. First, a person renounces citizenship “by conduct” if they engage in terrorist activity. Second, if they go overseas to fight for foreign armies deemed enemies of Australia, or listed terrorist organisations. Third, if they are convicted of terrorism offences or “certain other offences” by an Australian court.
When the committee finally reported, it suggested the government should strip dual nationals of citizenship for terrorist offences only after a conviction.When the committee finally reported, it suggested the government should strip dual nationals of citizenship for terrorist offences only after a conviction.
But it recommended going ahead with provisions which would strip dual nationals of their Australian citizenship fighting overseas without conviction.But it recommended going ahead with provisions which would strip dual nationals of their Australian citizenship fighting overseas without conviction.
The committee also recommended retrospectively stripping Australian citizenship from those convicted of terrorist-related offences, although limiting it to those who had been sentenced to at least 10 years’ jail for those offences.The committee also recommended retrospectively stripping Australian citizenship from those convicted of terrorist-related offences, although limiting it to those who had been sentenced to at least 10 years’ jail for those offences.
So the bill has presumably been redrafted and Bill Shorten has told us this morning that Labor received a briefing on the (new) bill only last night. Labor wants more time to scrutinise it.So the bill has presumably been redrafted and Bill Shorten has told us this morning that Labor received a briefing on the (new) bill only last night. Labor wants more time to scrutinise it.
As to constitutionality, the immigration minister, Peter Dutton, said he expected a high court challenge but the government had drafted it as well as it could.As to constitutionality, the immigration minister, Peter Dutton, said he expected a high court challenge but the government had drafted it as well as it could.
In these circumstances you would expect that there would be a high court challenge in relation to some aspects of the bill or the legislation at some stage ... From the government’s perspective, there is always a risk with any legislation, with any piece of national security legislation. We minimise that risk in this bill, and we believe we’ve struck a reasonable balance by accepting all the recommendations from the committee.In these circumstances you would expect that there would be a high court challenge in relation to some aspects of the bill or the legislation at some stage ... From the government’s perspective, there is always a risk with any legislation, with any piece of national security legislation. We minimise that risk in this bill, and we believe we’ve struck a reasonable balance by accepting all the recommendations from the committee.
The bill is listed for debate after question time, so we shall see what we shall see. Shorten said again, just this morning, that Labor delivered bipartisan support on national security issues and has done so for the first three.The bill is listed for debate after question time, so we shall see what we shall see. Shorten said again, just this morning, that Labor delivered bipartisan support on national security issues and has done so for the first three.
But he wants to be able to pick up any flaws in the bill and that needs time.But he wants to be able to pick up any flaws in the bill and that needs time.
Dutton is stamping his feet. He wants the bill ticked off by the next week.Dutton is stamping his feet. He wants the bill ticked off by the next week.
Debate will commence this week, and the government’s desire is that this bill be dealt with by both houses by the end of the next sitting week.Debate will commence this week, and the government’s desire is that this bill be dealt with by both houses by the end of the next sitting week.
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Bill Shorten was only eight at the time of the dismissal but he has declared his support for a republic in previous speeches.Bill Shorten was only eight at the time of the dismissal but he has declared his support for a republic in previous speeches.
Shorten would like to see a process which involves a constitutional convention, followed by a plebiscite to gauge the peoples’ reaction, followed by a referendum.Shorten would like to see a process which involves a constitutional convention, followed by a plebiscite to gauge the peoples’ reaction, followed by a referendum.
He also told Fran Kelly on ABC Radio National that he would like to see a constitutional commission, which would be a permanent body which educates people about the constitution.He also told Fran Kelly on ABC Radio National that he would like to see a constitutional commission, which would be a permanent body which educates people about the constitution.
Updated at 10.11pm GMTUpdated at 10.11pm GMT
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Strap yourself in for huge day in Canberra.Strap yourself in for huge day in Canberra.
Best get on with this. Join us below or on the Twits with me @gabriellechan and @mpbowers, who is on full royal duty. I’m thinking a visual panoply of delights from the Bowers machine.Best get on with this. Join us below or on the Twits with me @gabriellechan and @mpbowers, who is on full royal duty. I’m thinking a visual panoply of delights from the Bowers machine.
Updated at 10.11pm GMTUpdated at 10.11pm GMT