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Hillary Clinton: Europe must improve surveillance after Paris attacks – live Bernie Sanders to outline democratic socialism and Isis plan after Paris – live
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7.21pm GMT19:21
If Americans “are serious about transforming our country” and rebuilding the middle class and “reinvigorating our democracy,” Sanders says, the US needs a new movement.
We need to develop a political movement which, once again, is prepared to take on and defeat a ruling class whose greed is destroying our nation. Now I know things like ‘rling class’ are not too often talked about at Georgetown, not too often talked about on CBS or NBC, but that is a simple fact. In my view, the billionaire class must be told clearly and simply that they cannot have it all. That our government belongs to all of us, and not just a handful of billionaires.
In what would be a surprise for any other “democratic socialist,” Sanders invokes the pop, to denounce “the worship of money”.
We need to create a culture which, as Pope Francis has reminded us, cannot just be based on the worship of money. We must not accept a nation in which billionaires compete as to the size of their super-yachts, while children in America go hungry and veterans, men and women who have put their lives on the lines to defend us, sleep out on the streets.
7.18pm GMT19:18
But Americans have to face “a very hard truth”, he says, “the rich get much richer, almost everyone else gets poorer.” He jumps back to an anecdote of getting computers in city hall as mayor of Burlington, Vermont in the 1980s …
Despite a huge increase in technology and productivity, despite major growth in the US and global economy, tens of millions of American families continue to lack the basic necessities of life, while millions more struggle every day to provide a minimal standard of living for their families. And I hope that none of you will turn your back on that reality.
And the truth is… is that for the last 40 years the great middle class of this country has been in decline and faith in our political system is now extremely low. …
The very rich get much richer, almost everyone else gets poorer. Super PACs funded by billionaires buy elections. Koch brothers alone and a few of their friends will spend more money in this election cycle than either the Democratic or Republican parties. Ordinary people, working people, young people don’t vote.
We have an economic and political crisis in this country and the same old, same old establishment politics and economics will not effectively address it.
7.15pm GMT19:15
Sanders jumps to the 1960s, and invokes Lyndon Johnson’s healthcare reforms: Medicare and Medicaid for senior citizens, people with disabilities, families with children.
Once again these vitally important programs were derided by right wing forces as socialist programs that were a threat to our American way of life. That was then, now is now.
Today, in 2015, despite the Wall Street crash of 2008, which drove this country into the worst economic downturn since the Depression, the American people are clearly better off economically than they were in 1937.
7.14pm GMT19:14
And by the way, almost everything FDR proposed was called “socialist,” Sanders says. “I thought I would mention that just in passing.”
Social Security, which transformed life for the elderly in this country was defined by his opponents as ‘socialist.’ The concept of the ‘minimum wage’ was seen as a radical intrusion into the marketplace and was described as ‘socialist.’
Unemployment insurance, abolishing child labor, when children were working in factories or working in the fields, the 40-hour work week, collective bargaining … strong banking regulations, deposit insurance, and job programs that put millions of people to work were all described, in one way or another, as ‘socialist.’ Yet, these programs have become the fabric of our nation and in fact the foundation of the middle class.
He does air quotes with his fingers when saying “socialist”.
7.12pm GMT19:12
Roosevelt acted, Sanders goes on, “against the ferocious opposition of the ruling class of his day, people he called economic royalists.”
Roosevelt implemented a series of programs that put millions of Americans back to work, took them out of poverty and restored their faith in government. He redefined the relationship of the federal government to the people of our country. He combatted cynicism, fear and despair. He reinvigorated democracy. He transformed the country.
And that is exactly what we have to do today.
7.11pm GMT19:11
Sanders takes the stage to absolutely raucous applause. “Our country faces some enormous problems,” he says, saying that these problems won’t be solved if people succumb to apathy.
He begins his remarks to the Georgetown students by the spirit of Franklin Delano Roosevelt – and his remarks in the depths of the Great Depression.
He saw tens of millions of its citizens denied the basic necessities of life. He saw millions of families trying to live on incomes so meager that the pall of family disaster hung over them every single day. He saw millions of his fellow Americans denied education, recreation, and the opportunity to better their lot and the lot of their children.
He saw millions lacking the means to buy the products they needed and by their poverty, by their lack of disposable income denying employment …
He saw one-third of a nation ill-housed, ill-clad, ill-nourished.
6.51pm GMT18:51
Dan Roberts, the Guardian’s DC bureau chief, is at Georgetown University for senator Bernie Sanders’ long awaited speech on democratic socialism, his avowed system of belief.
As in New York, where “hipsters ‘heart’ Bernie”, in the words of my colleague Adam Gabbatt, young people have embraced Sanders’ message in Washington.
His speech is scheduled for 2pm ET.
6.39pm GMT18:396.39pm GMT18:39
Elsewhere in the Republican primary, the candidates have all filed paperwork for the New Hampshire primary. Typically, Trump put himself (or at least his slogan) center stage.Elsewhere in the Republican primary, the candidates have all filed paperwork for the New Hampshire primary. Typically, Trump put himself (or at least his slogan) center stage.
I'm in. God Bless America. pic.twitter.com/YGlsiSJZlsI'm in. God Bless America. pic.twitter.com/YGlsiSJZls
Bush on the other hand went to Dunkin Donuts.Bush on the other hand went to Dunkin Donuts.
Dunkin drive thru #2. Caught up with Victoria and Jacqueline about school. pic.twitter.com/QSHmaaHsVrDunkin drive thru #2. Caught up with Victoria and Jacqueline about school. pic.twitter.com/QSHmaaHsVr
And senator Rand Paul made a curious plea from George Washington University.And senator Rand Paul made a curious plea from George Washington University.
I'm not just a part of the leave me alone coalition. I'm a part of the leave me the hell alone coalition! pic.twitter.com/164QJWiPJ5I'm not just a part of the leave me alone coalition. I'm a part of the leave me the hell alone coalition! pic.twitter.com/164QJWiPJ5
Paul is speaking at the school about surveillance and privacy, issues where he diverges from most of his competitors. He told the audience that more surveillance does not mean greater security, as spy chief so often insist.Paul is speaking at the school about surveillance and privacy, issues where he diverges from most of his competitors. He told the audience that more surveillance does not mean greater security, as spy chief so often insist.
The Washington Post’s Dave Weigel is listening in, tweeting that Paul uses French surveillance as an example. French programs are “1,000 times more invasive than ours and it didn’t predict the attack” in Paris, Paul says.The Washington Post’s Dave Weigel is listening in, tweeting that Paul uses French surveillance as an example. French programs are “1,000 times more invasive than ours and it didn’t predict the attack” in Paris, Paul says.
6.18pm GMT18:186.18pm GMT18:18
Congressional Republicans are expected to vote on Thursday to suspend the program bringing Syrian refugees to the US, and several governors have said they would reject all refugees – orphaned toddlers included – for fear of a terror attack.Congressional Republicans are expected to vote on Thursday to suspend the program bringing Syrian refugees to the US, and several governors have said they would reject all refugees – orphaned toddlers included – for fear of a terror attack.
Barack Obama has pledged to veto the bill and condemned rhetoric as “un-American”, but experts worry about backlash – my colleagues Lauren Gambino, Patrick Kingsley and Alberto Nardelli try to parse the fact, fears and fiction.Barack Obama has pledged to veto the bill and condemned rhetoric as “un-American”, but experts worry about backlash – my colleagues Lauren Gambino, Patrick Kingsley and Alberto Nardelli try to parse the fact, fears and fiction.
Could dangerous refugees come to the US?Could dangerous refugees come to the US?
Such a fear is misguided because the process of relocating refugees to America is very different from the way that refugees currently arrive in Europe. Syrians flown to the US will be the most heavily vetted group of people currently allowed into the US,according to the State Department.Such a fear is misguided because the process of relocating refugees to America is very different from the way that refugees currently arrive in Europe. Syrians flown to the US will be the most heavily vetted group of people currently allowed into the US,according to the State Department.
Each candidate is vetted first by the UN’s refugee agency, and then separately by officials from the State Department, the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security and the Defense Department. The process takes between 18 months and two years.Each candidate is vetted first by the UN’s refugee agency, and then separately by officials from the State Department, the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security and the Defense Department. The process takes between 18 months and two years.
By contrast, a refugee hoping to reach Europe can pay a smuggler approximately $1,000 (£660) to take them in a dinghy across the six-mile-wide strait between Turkey and the Greek islands.By contrast, a refugee hoping to reach Europe can pay a smuggler approximately $1,000 (£660) to take them in a dinghy across the six-mile-wide strait between Turkey and the Greek islands.
Are Syrian refugees likely to be Isis sympathizers?Are Syrian refugees likely to be Isis sympathizers?
Syrian refugees are generally afraid of exactly the same thing that Americans are: Islamist terrorism. Many are fleeing areas held by the Islamic State, and they are doing so in contravention of Isis edicts. On a dozen occasions, Isis has condemned refugees for fleeing Isis areas.Syrian refugees are generally afraid of exactly the same thing that Americans are: Islamist terrorism. Many are fleeing areas held by the Islamic State, and they are doing so in contravention of Isis edicts. On a dozen occasions, Isis has condemned refugees for fleeing Isis areas.
“For those who want to blame the attacks on Paris on refugees, you might want to get your facts straight,” wrote Aaron Zelin, an analyst of jihadis, in a blogpost. “The reality is, [Isis] loathes that individuals are fleeing Syria for Europe. It undermines [Isis’s] message that its self-styled Caliphate is a refuge.”“For those who want to blame the attacks on Paris on refugees, you might want to get your facts straight,” wrote Aaron Zelin, an analyst of jihadis, in a blogpost. “The reality is, [Isis] loathes that individuals are fleeing Syria for Europe. It undermines [Isis’s] message that its self-styled Caliphate is a refuge.”
“Syrian and Iraqi refugees are the victims of terrorism, fleeing the same type of atrocities that we’ve recently witnessed,” said Shelly Pitterman, of the United Nations Office of the High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) on Wednesday. “They’ve rejected the ideology of extremism and share the values of freedom and tolerance.”“Syrian and Iraqi refugees are the victims of terrorism, fleeing the same type of atrocities that we’ve recently witnessed,” said Shelly Pitterman, of the United Nations Office of the High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) on Wednesday. “They’ve rejected the ideology of extremism and share the values of freedom and tolerance.”
You can read more about how many refugees each country has accepted and plans to accept, and whether governors even can block refugees, through the link below.You can read more about how many refugees each country has accepted and plans to accept, and whether governors even can block refugees, through the link below.
Related: Syrian refugees in America: separating fact from fiction in the debateRelated: Syrian refugees in America: separating fact from fiction in the debate
5.54pm GMT17:545.54pm GMT17:54
Republican candidate Ben Carson is in Mobile, Alabama, responding to questions about his foreign policy expertise or lack thereof. In the last few days two of his advisers have said he struggles with the people and places of the world. Carson responds now by saying that those men aren’t really advisers after all.Republican candidate Ben Carson is in Mobile, Alabama, responding to questions about his foreign policy expertise or lack thereof. In the last few days two of his advisers have said he struggles with the people and places of the world. Carson responds now by saying that those men aren’t really advisers after all.
One, former CIA operative Duane Clarridge, told the New York Times that Carson cannot manage “one iota of intelligent information about the Middle East”. Carson now says Clarridge is not an adviser but a “consultant”, CNN’s Athena Jones tweets.One, former CIA operative Duane Clarridge, told the New York Times that Carson cannot manage “one iota of intelligent information about the Middle East”. Carson now says Clarridge is not an adviser but a “consultant”, CNN’s Athena Jones tweets.
Armstrong Williams – described variously as a top adviser, friend and business manager to Carson – was also involved in the story, and frequently appears on television to boost the retired doctor. Carson has just disavowed Williams too, telling reporters he is “he has nothing to do with the campaign.”Armstrong Williams – described variously as a top adviser, friend and business manager to Carson – was also involved in the story, and frequently appears on television to boost the retired doctor. Carson has just disavowed Williams too, telling reporters he is “he has nothing to do with the campaign.”
The Washington Post’s Philip Rucker observes something amiss.The Washington Post’s Philip Rucker observes something amiss.
BUT, Carson said Armstrong Williams edited his WaPo op-ed.BUT, Carson said Armstrong Williams edited his WaPo op-ed.
Carson then said that he takes foreign policy advice from retired army officer Robert Dees, Nixon secretary of state Henry Kissinger and Reagan adviser Bud McFarlane.Carson then said that he takes foreign policy advice from retired army officer Robert Dees, Nixon secretary of state Henry Kissinger and Reagan adviser Bud McFarlane.
The retired neurosurgeon did answer some questions about policy, saying Isis is more of a threat to the US than al-Qaida was in 2001. He said that although he agrees “Islam itself is not necessarily [the] adversary” in the fight against terrorism, he wants stricter screening measures for Syrian refugees.The retired neurosurgeon did answer some questions about policy, saying Isis is more of a threat to the US than al-Qaida was in 2001. He said that although he agrees “Islam itself is not necessarily [the] adversary” in the fight against terrorism, he wants stricter screening measures for Syrian refugees.
He then used a rabid dog metaphor for illustration.He then used a rabid dog metaphor for illustration.
Carson compared need to screen refugees w protecting a child from rabid dogs. Must determine "who are the mad dogs" pic.twitter.com/u98vg7cb6LCarson compared need to screen refugees w protecting a child from rabid dogs. Must determine "who are the mad dogs" pic.twitter.com/u98vg7cb6L
Carson’s campaign also ran into criticism this week for publishing a graphic of the country with New England distended well beyond the actual boundaries of the United States.Carson’s campaign also ran into criticism this week for publishing a graphic of the country with New England distended well beyond the actual boundaries of the United States.
You can read more about Carson’s foreign policy ideas and his squad of eccentric helpers, including “an ambassador for the Lord Jesus Christ”, in reporting by my colleague Tom McCarthy.You can read more about Carson’s foreign policy ideas and his squad of eccentric helpers, including “an ambassador for the Lord Jesus Christ”, in reporting by my colleague Tom McCarthy.
Related: Ben Carson has a foreign policy 'learning curve', adviser saysRelated: Ben Carson has a foreign policy 'learning curve', adviser says
5.24pm GMT17:245.24pm GMT17:24
A check-in with the University of Florida’ election analyst Michael McDonald on that other primary race and its multiform competitors.A check-in with the University of Florida’ election analyst Michael McDonald on that other primary race and its multiform competitors.
Who's up in the Republican horse race? Trump Rubio Cruz Who's down? Everyone else, including Carson pic.twitter.com/DRXtpJ4Sc1Who's up in the Republican horse race? Trump Rubio Cruz Who's down? Everyone else, including Carson pic.twitter.com/DRXtpJ4Sc1
5.01pm GMT17:015.01pm GMT17:01
Clinton's 'smart power' summarizedClinton's 'smart power' summarized
Hillary Clinton outlined a sweeping strategy for the US in the Middle East and combating extremism around the world at the Council of Foreign Relations, its key points bulleted below.Hillary Clinton outlined a sweeping strategy for the US in the Middle East and combating extremism around the world at the Council of Foreign Relations, its key points bulleted below.
Updated at 5.28pm GMTUpdated at 5.28pm GMT
4.40pm GMT16:404.40pm GMT16:40
Zakaria closes out the Q&A session to a smattering of applause and the audience of foreign policy experts and reporters rise to take cellphone photos of Clinton.Zakaria closes out the Q&A session to a smattering of applause and the audience of foreign policy experts and reporters rise to take cellphone photos of Clinton.
We’ll have a summary up of her speech and remarks shortly.We’ll have a summary up of her speech and remarks shortly.
4.37pm GMT16:374.37pm GMT16:37
“We have a lot of work to do to decimate Isis in Iraq and Syria,” Clinton says, but she stresses that that does not mean a large number of US forces, which would only “complicate” a campaign against Isis.“We have a lot of work to do to decimate Isis in Iraq and Syria,” Clinton says, but she stresses that that does not mean a large number of US forces, which would only “complicate” a campaign against Isis.
Instead the US needs to actively do more for the Kurds, press coalition allies to refous on Syria, and encourage “a second Sunni awakening … and that requires a lot of political pressure put on Baghdad”.Instead the US needs to actively do more for the Kurds, press coalition allies to refous on Syria, and encourage “a second Sunni awakening … and that requires a lot of political pressure put on Baghdad”.
Right now we need to keep the pressure on the people on the ground and get them to change their priorities and work together.Right now we need to keep the pressure on the people on the ground and get them to change their priorities and work together.
She says she advocates a no-fly zone over northern Syrian near the border, and would hope to cobble some agreement together with Russia to protect it.She says she advocates a no-fly zone over northern Syrian near the border, and would hope to cobble some agreement together with Russia to protect it.
Cutting off the supply lines, trying to supply some refuges for refugees …creating a safe space away from the barrel bombs and other bombardments … and I would certainly hope to work with the Russians to do that …Cutting off the supply lines, trying to supply some refuges for refugees …creating a safe space away from the barrel bombs and other bombardments … and I would certainly hope to work with the Russians to do that …
The Russians as you know have been primarily focused on Assad’s enemies and not on Isis, and I think that has changed, I think there’s an indication that has changed.The Russians as you know have been primarily focused on Assad’s enemies and not on Isis, and I think that has changed, I think there’s an indication that has changed.
She says that Assad needs to understand “that what happens to him will be part of a political solution”.She says that Assad needs to understand “that what happens to him will be part of a political solution”.
But Clinton does not broach some of the logistical problems of such a “swath of territory that could be a safe zone”, for instance the issue of policing who comes in and out of the territory and the danger of it being exploited by a haven for terrorist groups.But Clinton does not broach some of the logistical problems of such a “swath of territory that could be a safe zone”, for instance the issue of policing who comes in and out of the territory and the danger of it being exploited by a haven for terrorist groups.
4.30pm GMT16:304.30pm GMT16:30
Clinton doesn’t shy from saying that she wanted to arm rebels who were fighting Assad back in 2011, and that she understand it’s much more difficult to “draw lines” and track where arms go when trying to train and equip rebels at this later, more chaotic stage of the civil war.Clinton doesn’t shy from saying that she wanted to arm rebels who were fighting Assad back in 2011, and that she understand it’s much more difficult to “draw lines” and track where arms go when trying to train and equip rebels at this later, more chaotic stage of the civil war.
I’ve said many times I can’t predict what would’ve happened if we’d have moved earlier, if it would’ve worked, if it might not’ve worked.I’ve said many times I can’t predict what would’ve happened if we’d have moved earlier, if it would’ve worked, if it might not’ve worked.
“There is not going to be a successful military [point] to overturn Assad,” she says. It has to be done politically.“There is not going to be a successful military [point] to overturn Assad,” she says. It has to be done politically.
“We had an opportunity, perhaps, but right no we‘ve got the Russians in protecting Assad, the Iranians, perhaps Hezbollah, we’ve got to get the common [fight] against Isis.”“We had an opportunity, perhaps, but right no we‘ve got the Russians in protecting Assad, the Iranians, perhaps Hezbollah, we’ve got to get the common [fight] against Isis.”
4.26pm GMT16:264.26pm GMT16:26
Someone in the audience asks about the Trans Pacific Partnership, a sweeping trade agreement that has found strong opposition among Democrats.Someone in the audience asks about the Trans Pacific Partnership, a sweeping trade agreement that has found strong opposition among Democrats.
“The final language of the treaty itself didn’t meet” the standards Clinton sets for evaluating agreements, she says.“The final language of the treaty itself didn’t meet” the standards Clinton sets for evaluating agreements, she says.
“Does it help to create good paying jobs in America, does it raise incomes, does it [improve] national security?”“Does it help to create good paying jobs in America, does it raise incomes, does it [improve] national security?”
She frames this re-evaluation as justification for her flip-flop on the treaty, which she had previously supported.She frames this re-evaluation as justification for her flip-flop on the treaty, which she had previously supported.
4.22pm GMT16:224.22pm GMT16:22
Zakaria asks about Republican suggestions of letting Christian refugees into the US but treating Muslims differently. Clinton rejects it.Zakaria asks about Republican suggestions of letting Christian refugees into the US but treating Muslims differently. Clinton rejects it.
“I don’t think we should have a religious test for bringing refugees into our country.”“I don’t think we should have a religious test for bringing refugees into our country.”
“So far we know that trying to vet and understand the connections that a person or a family might have with somebody in the United States, looking to see what organization, often a faith based organization might sponsor them,” is a proven model, she says.“So far we know that trying to vet and understand the connections that a person or a family might have with somebody in the United States, looking to see what organization, often a faith based organization might sponsor them,” is a proven model, she says.
4.20pm GMT16:204.20pm GMT16:20
The moderator notes that Saudi Arabia and the UAE have dropped of coalition bombing raids and shifted their attention to Yemen, where a civil war has spiraled into an international conflict and, arguably, a proxy war with Iran.The moderator notes that Saudi Arabia and the UAE have dropped of coalition bombing raids and shifted their attention to Yemen, where a civil war has spiraled into an international conflict and, arguably, a proxy war with Iran.
Clinton again puts faith in diplomacy. Noting the contradictory interests of nations in the region, she says that the US needs to treat both Yemen and Syria as larger challenges involving Iran.Clinton again puts faith in diplomacy. Noting the contradictory interests of nations in the region, she says that the US needs to treat both Yemen and Syria as larger challenges involving Iran.
“What you’re facing in Yemen could be a limited preview of what we could face going forward, unless we make a concerted effort to stop the fighting and get all the various groups [to make an effort toward peace talks and have a voice].”“What you’re facing in Yemen could be a limited preview of what we could face going forward, unless we make a concerted effort to stop the fighting and get all the various groups [to make an effort toward peace talks and have a voice].”
Each problem needs consideration “on their own as well as bigger trends”, she says.Each problem needs consideration “on their own as well as bigger trends”, she says.
4.17pm GMT16:174.17pm GMT16:17
Clinton supports no-fly zone with RussiaClinton supports no-fly zone with Russia
Zakaria points out that past and present Pentagon leaders have said a no-fly zone is not a good idea at this stage.Zakaria points out that past and present Pentagon leaders have said a no-fly zone is not a good idea at this stage.
Clinton politely disagrees: “I believe that the no-fly zone is merited and can be implemented, again as a coalition and not as an America only” situation.Clinton politely disagrees: “I believe that the no-fly zone is merited and can be implemented, again as a coalition and not as an America only” situation.
How she would convince coalition forces to enforce the no-fly zone – and how she would convince Russia and Iran to stop flying in support of Bashar al-Assad – goes unsaid.How she would convince coalition forces to enforce the no-fly zone – and how she would convince Russia and Iran to stop flying in support of Bashar al-Assad – goes unsaid.
Updated at 5.03pm GMTUpdated at 5.03pm GMT
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Asked about whether Obama underestimated Isis by calling them the “junior varsity” of terrorists, Clinton says Isis has “had an evolution” and increased its capabilities.Asked about whether Obama underestimated Isis by calling them the “junior varsity” of terrorists, Clinton says Isis has “had an evolution” and increased its capabilities.
She concurs that her foreign policy thinking has tacked with Obama’s over the years: “We largely agreed on what needed to be done to repair our alliances, to get our country in a position to deal with the wars that had been inherited.”She concurs that her foreign policy thinking has tacked with Obama’s over the years: “We largely agreed on what needed to be done to repair our alliances, to get our country in a position to deal with the wars that had been inherited.”
But she says she disagreed with him about faster intervention in Syria around the start of the civil war, and that she wanted to arm opposition forces. “There were some [moderates back] then”.But she says she disagreed with him about faster intervention in Syria around the start of the civil war, and that she wanted to arm opposition forces. “There were some [moderates back] then”.
4.12pm GMT16:124.12pm GMT16:12
Zakaria asks Clinton how her strategy for the campaign in Syria differs from Barack Obama’s.Zakaria asks Clinton how her strategy for the campaign in Syria differs from Barack Obama’s.
She says her plain entails “intensification and acceleration of the [air strike] strategy, but it also has to intensify [in] the other parts of the strategy.”She says her plain entails “intensification and acceleration of the [air strike] strategy, but it also has to intensify [in] the other parts of the strategy.”
That means arming Sunni tribes and Kurds even if Baghdad doesn’t want to, she says, as well as convincing allies to bomb Isis more and to target finances and travel routes.That means arming Sunni tribes and Kurds even if Baghdad doesn’t want to, she says, as well as convincing allies to bomb Isis more and to target finances and travel routes.
Is her plan a departure from Obama's? "It is in many ways an intensification and acceleration of the strategy." @HillaryClintonIs her plan a departure from Obama's? "It is in many ways an intensification and acceleration of the strategy." @HillaryClinton
Updated at 5.05pm GMTUpdated at 5.05pm GMT
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Finally she tells an anecdote about granting citizenship and the values that represents versus the wholesale rejection of those values by extremists.Finally she tells an anecdote about granting citizenship and the values that represents versus the wholesale rejection of those values by extremists.
The speech ends, and she sits down with moderator Fareed Zakaria.The speech ends, and she sits down with moderator Fareed Zakaria.
4.08pm GMT16:084.08pm GMT16:08
Clinton lays down something like a“smart power” doctrine, to use her words.Clinton lays down something like a“smart power” doctrine, to use her words.
We have to use every pillar of American power, military and diplomacy, development and economic and cultural influence, technology and maybe most importantly, our values. That is smart power. We have to work with partners, like the EU, the Arab League and the UN.We have to use every pillar of American power, military and diplomacy, development and economic and cultural influence, technology and maybe most importantly, our values. That is smart power. We have to work with partners, like the EU, the Arab League and the UN.
She says the US should have faith in “old-fashioned shoe leather diplomacy” and never be afraid to act alone, using the example of the raid on bin Laden (and not the invasion of Iraq).She says the US should have faith in “old-fashioned shoe leather diplomacy” and never be afraid to act alone, using the example of the raid on bin Laden (and not the invasion of Iraq).
4.06pm GMT16:064.06pm GMT16:06
“Since Paris, no homeland security challenge is being more hotly debating than how to address Syrian refugees seeking asylum in the United States,” Clinton goes on, excoriating Republican comments on blocking or tracking refugees.“Since Paris, no homeland security challenge is being more hotly debating than how to address Syrian refugees seeking asylum in the United States,” Clinton goes on, excoriating Republican comments on blocking or tracking refugees.
She notes the grueling refugee vetting process, and takes up president Obama’s comments that rejecting refugees contradicts American principles.She notes the grueling refugee vetting process, and takes up president Obama’s comments that rejecting refugees contradicts American principles.
“Discriminating against Muslims, slamming the door on every Syrian refugee, that’s just not who we are.”“Discriminating against Muslims, slamming the door on every Syrian refugee, that’s just not who we are.”
“Many of these refugees are fleeing the same terrorists” that the US is fighting, she says. “We should be doing more to [ameliorating] this crisis, not less.”“Many of these refugees are fleeing the same terrorists” that the US is fighting, she says. “We should be doing more to [ameliorating] this crisis, not less.”
4.05pm GMT16:054.05pm GMT16:05
Clinton broaches the question of security vs privacy, but merely lays out two sides of the argument: law enforcement doesn’t like encryption, lots of other people do.Clinton broaches the question of security vs privacy, but merely lays out two sides of the argument: law enforcement doesn’t like encryption, lots of other people do.
We need Silicon Valley not to view government as its adversary … to develop solutions that will both keep us safe and protect our privacy. Now is the time to solve this problem, not after the next attack.We need Silicon Valley not to view government as its adversary … to develop solutions that will both keep us safe and protect our privacy. Now is the time to solve this problem, not after the next attack.
We need Silicon Valley not to view the government as their adversary - @HillaryClintonWe need Silicon Valley not to view the government as their adversary - @HillaryClinton
She doesn’t say how to strike a balance.She doesn’t say how to strike a balance.
Updated at 5.05pm GMTUpdated at 5.05pm GMT
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She moves on to the problem of domestic terrorism and radicalization, and says that European nations are far behind the US in terms of sharing intelligence and counterterror coordination.She moves on to the problem of domestic terrorism and radicalization, and says that European nations are far behind the US in terms of sharing intelligence and counterterror coordination.
“And here at home we face a number of our own challenges. The threat of airline security is [changing] as terrorists develop new devices … Law enforcement also needs the trust of residents and communities, including in our own country Muslim Americans.“And here at home we face a number of our own challenges. The threat of airline security is [changing] as terrorists develop new devices … Law enforcement also needs the trust of residents and communities, including in our own country Muslim Americans.
This should go without saying, but in the current climate this bears repeating. Muslim Americans are working every day on the front lines against [terrorism and radicalization].This should go without saying, but in the current climate this bears repeating. Muslim Americans are working every day on the front lines against [terrorism and radicalization].
4.01pm GMT16:014.01pm GMT16:01
The strategy of targeting terrorist financing, cyberspace, and blocking foreign fighters is necessary to defeating not only Isis but “defusing and defeating the next threat and the one after that,” Clinton says.The strategy of targeting terrorist financing, cyberspace, and blocking foreign fighters is necessary to defeating not only Isis but “defusing and defeating the next threat and the one after that,” Clinton says.
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Clinton rejects 'clash of civilizations'Clinton rejects 'clash of civilizations'
Next Clinton says the US needs to ramp up its efforts online to counter terrorist groups, saying that online territory should be treated exactly the same geographical territory.Next Clinton says the US needs to ramp up its efforts online to counter terrorist groups, saying that online territory should be treated exactly the same geographical territory.
The government should do more, she says, and “social media companies can do their part by swiftly shutting down terrorist accounts.”The government should do more, she says, and “social media companies can do their part by swiftly shutting down terrorist accounts.”
Offline or online, we are in a contest of ideas.”Offline or online, we are in a contest of ideas.”
But Clinton rebukes comments by many Republicans that the US is at war with “radical Islam”: “Muslims are peaceful and tolerant people and have nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism.”But Clinton rebukes comments by many Republicans that the US is at war with “radical Islam”: “Muslims are peaceful and tolerant people and have nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism.”
“We are in a conflict of ideas against an ideology of hate... but let me clear, Islam is not our adversary,” added Clinton.“We are in a conflict of ideas against an ideology of hate... but let me clear, Islam is not our adversary,” added Clinton.
“The obsession in some quarters with a clash of civilizations, or repeating the word Islamic terrorism, isn’t just a distraction, it plays into their hands by alienating people we need by our sides.”“The obsession in some quarters with a clash of civilizations, or repeating the word Islamic terrorism, isn’t just a distraction, it plays into their hands by alienating people we need by our sides.”
The kind of rhetoric used by some conservatives “plays exactly into [terrorists’] hands by alienating partners we need at our side,” Clinton says, even though she acknowledges a “distorted” extremist “strain” of Islam.The kind of rhetoric used by some conservatives “plays exactly into [terrorists’] hands by alienating partners we need at our side,” Clinton says, even though she acknowledges a “distorted” extremist “strain” of Islam.
In the end it didn’t matter what kind of terrorist that we called bin Laden, it mattered that we killed bin Laden.”In the end it didn’t matter what kind of terrorist that we called bin Laden, it mattered that we killed bin Laden.”
We cannot allow terrorists to intimidate us into ... Turning away orphans.. Discriminating against Muslims.. That's not who we are - HRCWe cannot allow terrorists to intimidate us into ... Turning away orphans.. Discriminating against Muslims.. That's not who we are - HRC
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“We have to place more obligations on countries to police their own banks,” she says, and the US needs to press its allies to crack down on individual financing.“We have to place more obligations on countries to police their own banks,” she says, and the US needs to press its allies to crack down on individual financing.
And once and for all the Saudis, the Qataris and others need to stop their citizens from directly funding extremist organizations, as well as the schools and mosques around the world … where recruitment happens in clusters.”And once and for all the Saudis, the Qataris and others need to stop their citizens from directly funding extremist organizations, as well as the schools and mosques around the world … where recruitment happens in clusters.”
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Clinton moves on to disrupting international terror cells, saying that although there’s been a lot of conversation about Isis in the last week, al-Qaida remains the most sophisticated network.Clinton moves on to disrupting international terror cells, saying that although there’s been a lot of conversation about Isis in the last week, al-Qaida remains the most sophisticated network.
“Most urgent is stopping the flow of foreign fighters to and from the Middle East,” she says. “Their western passports make it easier for them to cross borders and eventually to return home radicalized and battle-hardened.”“Most urgent is stopping the flow of foreign fighters to and from the Middle East,” she says. “Their western passports make it easier for them to cross borders and eventually to return home radicalized and battle-hardened.”
She says information sharing is a high priority, as is getting Turkey to “finally lock down its border”.She says information sharing is a high priority, as is getting Turkey to “finally lock down its border”.
“We also have to be smart and target interventions that have the greatest impact,” using people smugglers and Isis transporters as an example.“We also have to be smart and target interventions that have the greatest impact,” using people smugglers and Isis transporters as an example.
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“We cannot deal with Iran and Isis as two separate” questions, Clinton continues, saying that regional politics amount to US national security interests.“We cannot deal with Iran and Isis as two separate” questions, Clinton continues, saying that regional politics amount to US national security interests.
Raising the cost to Iran for bad behavior will contribute to a more effective fight against Isis.Raising the cost to Iran for bad behavior will contribute to a more effective fight against Isis.
She says the US needs to redouble its commitment to allies to send the message that “the time for delay is over, we should get this done” – a rebuke to Obama’s reluctance to intervene in Syria.She says the US needs to redouble its commitment to allies to send the message that “the time for delay is over, we should get this done” – a rebuke to Obama’s reluctance to intervene in Syria.
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Clinton rebukes Turkey over KurdsClinton rebukes Turkey over Kurds
She says greater cooperation with the Turks, including arms and intelligence, is necessary to resolving the Syrian civil war and defeating Isis.She says greater cooperation with the Turks, including arms and intelligence, is necessary to resolving the Syrian civil war and defeating Isis.
Countries like Jordan have offered more and frankly we should take them up on it. Our efforts will only succeed if the Arabs and Turks step up. …Countries like Jordan have offered more and frankly we should take them up on it. Our efforts will only succeed if the Arabs and Turks step up. …
So far Turkey has been more focused on the Kurds than countering Isis, and to be fair Turkey has a long and painful history [with the Kurds],So far Turkey has been more focused on the Kurds than countering Isis, and to be fair Turkey has a long and painful history [with the Kurds],
We need to get Turkey to stop bombing Kurdish fighters in Syria who are battling Isis, and become a full partner in our coalition efforts against Isis.We need to get Turkey to stop bombing Kurdish fighters in Syria who are battling Isis, and become a full partner in our coalition efforts against Isis.
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Clinton moves on to Syria, saying that although she supports Obama’s line that the nation requires a political transition away from Assad, it also needs greater military intervention.Clinton moves on to Syria, saying that although she supports Obama’s line that the nation requires a political transition away from Assad, it also needs greater military intervention.
“The viable Sunni opposition groups remain understandably preoccupied with fighting Assad, who let us remember has killed many more Syrians than the terrorists have,” she says.“The viable Sunni opposition groups remain understandably preoccupied with fighting Assad, who let us remember has killed many more Syrians than the terrorists have,” she says.
“We should retool and ramp up our efforts to sppotr and equip viable Syrian opposition units. Our increased support should go hand in hand with our increased support from our Sunni and Arab coalition forces.“We should retool and ramp up our efforts to sppotr and equip viable Syrian opposition units. Our increased support should go hand in hand with our increased support from our Sunni and Arab coalition forces.
We should also work with the opposition and our allies to enforce no-fly zones.We should also work with the opposition and our allies to enforce no-fly zones.
She adds that special forces could be involved in the war, and says that “Russia and Iran have to fess up” that supporting Assad is making things worse.She adds that special forces could be involved in the war, and says that “Russia and Iran have to fess up” that supporting Assad is making things worse.
“There is an important role for Russia to help,” she says, immediately after calling out Vladimir Putin by name. “There is no alternative to a political transition that allows Syrians to [continue under] Assad’s rule.”“There is an important role for Russia to help,” she says, immediately after calling out Vladimir Putin by name. “There is no alternative to a political transition that allows Syrians to [continue under] Assad’s rule.”
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Clinton: intensify strikes and ground campaignClinton: intensify strikes and ground campaign
Clinton says the US can and should support regional forces, even though “the Iraqi national army has struggled, and its going to take more work to get them up to shape.”Clinton says the US can and should support regional forces, even though “the Iraqi national army has struggled, and its going to take more work to get them up to shape.”
She says American forces may need “Greater mobility and flexibility” including embedding with Iraqi unites. Even so, she continues, it will take Sunnis to come together to fight back, as they did during the Iraqi civil war.She says American forces may need “Greater mobility and flexibility” including embedding with Iraqi unites. Even so, she continues, it will take Sunnis to come together to fight back, as they did during the Iraqi civil war.
Must be realistic, Clinton said. "Air strikes will have to be combined with ground forces" pic.twitter.com/hFIwuPOiJVMust be realistic, Clinton said. "Air strikes will have to be combined with ground forces" pic.twitter.com/hFIwuPOiJV
But those militias were “betrayed” by former prime minister Nouri al-Maliki, she says. “Baghdad needs to accept, even embrace, arming Sunni and Kurdish forces in the war against Isis. But if Baghdad won’t do that, the coalition should do so directly.”But those militias were “betrayed” by former prime minister Nouri al-Maliki, she says. “Baghdad needs to accept, even embrace, arming Sunni and Kurdish forces in the war against Isis. But if Baghdad won’t do that, the coalition should do so directly.”
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She says her strategy has three main points.She says her strategy has three main points.
The first prong of the streagy “Starts with a more effective coalition campaign”, involving more bombing and greater intelligence. “Arab speakers with deep expertise in the Middle East” and stronger partnerships. “Our goal should be to achieve the penetration” that the US managed “with al-Qaida in the past”.The first prong of the streagy “Starts with a more effective coalition campaign”, involving more bombing and greater intelligence. “Arab speakers with deep expertise in the Middle East” and stronger partnerships. “Our goal should be to achieve the penetration” that the US managed “with al-Qaida in the past”.
An air campaign is necessary but insufficient, she continues, but “like president Obama I do not believe we should again have 100,000 troops in combat in the Middle East. That is just not the smart” option.An air campaign is necessary but insufficient, she continues, but “like president Obama I do not believe we should again have 100,000 troops in combat in the Middle East. That is just not the smart” option.
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“At the heart” of modern terrorism is Isis, Clinton continues.“At the heart” of modern terrorism is Isis, Clinton continues.
A physical enclave in Iraq and Syria, an international terrorist network that includes affiliates across the region and beyond, and an ideological movement of radical jihadism. We have to target and defeat all three.”A physical enclave in Iraq and Syria, an international terrorist network that includes affiliates across the region and beyond, and an ideological movement of radical jihadism. We have to target and defeat all three.”
She says “our goal is not to contain and deter Isis” but to defeat and destroy Isis, a backhand at remarks last week by Barack Obama. She says the US must also “pursue the long-game”, involving a “generational struggle against an ideology with deep roots.”She says “our goal is not to contain and deter Isis” but to defeat and destroy Isis, a backhand at remarks last week by Barack Obama. She says the US must also “pursue the long-game”, involving a “generational struggle against an ideology with deep roots.”
“This is a worldwide fight and America must lead it.”“This is a worldwide fight and America must lead it.”
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Hillary Clinton takes the podium, beginning her speech.Hillary Clinton takes the podium, beginning her speech.
“I wanted to come here to our city which has shown such resilience in the face of terrorism to talk about the events of the last week,” Clinton begins.“I wanted to come here to our city which has shown such resilience in the face of terrorism to talk about the events of the last week,” Clinton begins.
“Our allies treated that attack against one as an attack against all. Now it’s our turn.”“Our allies treated that attack against one as an attack against all. Now it’s our turn.”
She says we face the same adversaries, and must show the same determination.She says we face the same adversaries, and must show the same determination.
“Every society faces a choice between fear and resolve. The world’s great democracies can’t turn our backs on those in need.”“Every society faces a choice between fear and resolve. The world’s great democracies can’t turn our backs on those in need.”
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Hillary Clinton is due any minute on stage in New York, where CNN’s Jeff Zeleny and my colleague Lauren Gambino (@lgamgam) are in the room waiting.Hillary Clinton is due any minute on stage in New York, where CNN’s Jeff Zeleny and my colleague Lauren Gambino (@lgamgam) are in the room waiting.
The stage is set at Council on Foreign Relations on Upper East Side for @HillaryClinton to deliver #ISIS speech. pic.twitter.com/gUFEAm08TcThe stage is set at Council on Foreign Relations on Upper East Side for @HillaryClinton to deliver #ISIS speech. pic.twitter.com/gUFEAm08Tc
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Donald Trump would not rule out tracking Muslim Americans in a database or giving them “a special form of identification that noted their religion”, Yahoo news reports in a long interview with the Republican presidential candidate.Donald Trump would not rule out tracking Muslim Americans in a database or giving them “a special form of identification that noted their religion”, Yahoo news reports in a long interview with the Republican presidential candidate.
“We’re going to have to do things that were frankly unthinkable a year ago,” Trump said. “Some people are going to be upset about it, but I think that now everybody is feeling that security is going to rule.”“We’re going to have to do things that were frankly unthinkable a year ago,” Trump said. “Some people are going to be upset about it, but I think that now everybody is feeling that security is going to rule.”
He said he would consider warrantless searches of Muslims and increased surveillance of mosques. “Certain things will be done that we never thought would happen in this country in terms of information and learning about the enemy.”He said he would consider warrantless searches of Muslims and increased surveillance of mosques. “Certain things will be done that we never thought would happen in this country in terms of information and learning about the enemy.”
“We’re going to have to look at a lot of things very closely,” Trump said. “We’re going to have to look at the mosques. We’re going to have to look very, very carefully.”“We’re going to have to look at a lot of things very closely,” Trump said. “We’re going to have to look at the mosques. We’re going to have to look very, very carefully.”
Earlier this week Trump suggested police surveillance of Mosques, and praised a controversial program by the NYPD to spy on Muslims as “great”. He said he would consider former NYPD police commissioner Ray Kelly, who led that program, for a cabinet position.Earlier this week Trump suggested police surveillance of Mosques, and praised a controversial program by the NYPD to spy on Muslims as “great”. He said he would consider former NYPD police commissioner Ray Kelly, who led that program, for a cabinet position.
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Hello and welcome to a busy day in American politics.Hello and welcome to a busy day in American politics.
Democratic presidential frontrunner Hillary Clinton, and her biggest rival, Senator Bernie Sanders, are due to lay out competing plans to defeat Islamic State extremists in Syria, Iraq and elsewhere. Sanders has also promised to explain to voters what he means by his self-declared philosophy of democratic socialism.Democratic presidential frontrunner Hillary Clinton, and her biggest rival, Senator Bernie Sanders, are due to lay out competing plans to defeat Islamic State extremists in Syria, Iraq and elsewhere. Sanders has also promised to explain to voters what he means by his self-declared philosophy of democratic socialism.
The Republican frontrunners are rambling through key states trying to nudge each off the top of the polls. Ben Carson is in Alabama, meeting with voters before an afternoon event, and Donald Trump is holding a rally and town hall in Iowa. Among the 12 other candidates, ascendent senators Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio have sparred over military spending, and former governor Jeb Bush is pressing hawkish opinions about war in the Middle East.The Republican frontrunners are rambling through key states trying to nudge each off the top of the polls. Ben Carson is in Alabama, meeting with voters before an afternoon event, and Donald Trump is holding a rally and town hall in Iowa. Among the 12 other candidates, ascendent senators Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio have sparred over military spending, and former governor Jeb Bush is pressing hawkish opinions about war in the Middle East.
The stump speeches and major policy announcements promise an eclectic day: the bickering of election season along with serious questions reflecting a troubled world. The Democrats will announce their foreign policy plans only hours after France confirmed that a ferocious police raid in Paris killed Abdelhamid Abaaoud, the suspected organizer of last week’s horrific terrorist attack in the city.The stump speeches and major policy announcements promise an eclectic day: the bickering of election season along with serious questions reflecting a troubled world. The Democrats will announce their foreign policy plans only hours after France confirmed that a ferocious police raid in Paris killed Abdelhamid Abaaoud, the suspected organizer of last week’s horrific terrorist attack in the city.
And Republicans will argue about extremism and religion as governors around the US resist accepting Syrian refugees. Barack Obama has criticized the governors for their “offensive and hysterical” reactions to the refugee crisis, and promised to veto a bill that would increase screening on top of the year the US already requires. Here’s how the day is due to unfold:And Republicans will argue about extremism and religion as governors around the US resist accepting Syrian refugees. Barack Obama has criticized the governors for their “offensive and hysterical” reactions to the refugee crisis, and promised to veto a bill that would increase screening on top of the year the US already requires. Here’s how the day is due to unfold:
Somewhere in there, the Republican-controlled House of Representatives is expected to approve a measure aimed to block Syrian and Iraqi refugees from entry to the US without a strict background check. (Barack Obama has said he will veto it.) My colleagues Ben Jacobs and David Smith will be up on Capitol Hill with the latest.Somewhere in there, the Republican-controlled House of Representatives is expected to approve a measure aimed to block Syrian and Iraqi refugees from entry to the US without a strict background check. (Barack Obama has said he will veto it.) My colleagues Ben Jacobs and David Smith will be up on Capitol Hill with the latest.
Meanwhile, follow along for all of that plus more from the other candidates on the trail.Meanwhile, follow along for all of that plus more from the other candidates on the trail.
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