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| EU referendum live: Cameron says Brexit vote would be economic 'bomb' | EU referendum live: Cameron says Brexit vote would be economic 'bomb' |
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| 12.23pm BST | |
| 12:23 | |
| Vine plays Cameron a clip of a woman saying she wants to partly come out of the EU, but to stay in bits of it. | |
| Cameron says he has some sympathy for her. He says Britain has a special status now, in the EU, but not in the euro or the Schengen area, he says. | |
| And that’s it. The Vine interview is over. | |
| 12.21pm BST | |
| 12:21 | |
| Q: Staying in the EU won’t help us control immigration. | |
| Cameron says leaving the EU would wreck the economy. | |
| What the Leave campaign are saying about immigration is wrong, reckless and misleading. | |
| Q: Staying in will not allow us to control immigration. | |
| Cameron says the new benefit rules will help. | |
| But what Leave are saying is wrong. They say Turkey is joining the EU. No serious person thinks Turkey will join the EU for decades. | |
| Q: What about the 1m refugees in Germany. When they get travel rights, they will be able to come to the UK. | |
| Cameron says when they get travel rights, they won’t be able to come to the UK. History suggests only about 1 or 2% will get German citizenship. | |
| 12.18pm BST | |
| 12:18 | |
| Q: Anna Soubry, the trade minister, said exports to the continent would fall to almost zero if we left the EU. | |
| Cameron says it would all depend what trade deal we had with the EU. | |
| If we went to a World Trade Organisation arrangements, then cars being sold to the EU would face 10 tariffs. | |
| Q: You keep suggesting we would slide into oblivion if we left. But what did you say in the election; Britain was a country willing to take a punt, take a risk. | |
| Cameron accepts Britain could manage outside the UK. | |
| But he says the “British way” is to make organisations like the EU work for us, he says. | |
| 12.15pm BST | |
| 12:15 | |
| Cameron rejects claims Remain camp are 'scaremongering' | |
| Cameron says he does not accept his side is scaremongering. | |
| Instead, there is a “legitimate raising of risks”, he says. | |
| 12.14pm BST | |
| 12:14 | |
| Cameron criticises Gove for dismissing the views of experts | |
| Cameron says organisations like the IMF and OECD are actually paid to warn governments of economic risks. | |
| He says someone from Leave said the other day it was wrong to trust experts. (He is talking about Michael Gove.) But you would not build a bridge without listening to experts, he says. | |
| Q: Experts built the Titanic. | |
| That’s right, says Cameron. But he says on this there is a consensus amongst experts. | |
| 12.09pm BST | |
| 12:09 | |
| Cameron on Radio 2's Jeremy Vine show | |
| David Cameron is now being interview by Jeremy Vine on Radio 2. | |
| Q: Do you agree with what Sir John Major said about Boris Johnson? | |
| Cameron says that Major spoke for himself. Cameron says he has taken a self-denying ordinance (not to criticise fellow Tories, he implies.) | |
| 11.58am BST | |
| 11:58 | |
| Q: Leave has taken the lead in polls, and the pound has crashed in value. Doesn’t that show that Cameron is right to say Leave is a threat to the economy. | |
| Johnson says the value of the pound depends on the strength of the economy, and the economy will be stronger outside the EU. In the short term it can go where it wants. In the long term Britain will prosper, he says. | |
| And that’s it. The Vote Leave event is over. | |
| 11.55am BST | |
| 11:55 | |
| Q: [From my colleague Anushka Asthana] Cameron says your policies would be like putting a bomb under the economy. Are you worried by the language being used. And what would be the impact on the economy of cutting immigration. | |
| On the first point, Gove says they all believe in free speech. People can say what they like. | |
| On the second point, Johnson says the key thing is to have an immigration system that is controlled. But people who are talented should still be able to come to the UK, he says. | |
| At the moment politicians cannot keep the promises they make on immigration. | |
| Stuart says the current system discriminates against workers from outside the EU. | |
| Longworth says we have the worst of both words. Unlimited immigration from the EU drives down wages, drives down skills and drives down productivity, he says. It means employers have no incentive to train workers. So the economy needs more skilled workers from abroad. But it is harder to get them from outside the EU, he says. | |
| 11.49am BST | 11.49am BST |
| 11:49 | 11:49 |
| Gove cites three key experts who say there is a real risk of remaining in the EU. | Gove cites three key experts who say there is a real risk of remaining in the EU. |
| As the Labour peer Stewart Wood points out, this contrasts with the approach he took in the Sky News event on Friday. | As the Labour peer Stewart Wood points out, this contrasts with the approach he took in the Sky News event on Friday. |
| Four days ago Michael Gove said "Britain has had enough of experts". Today his speech was almost solely a list of experts he agrees with. | Four days ago Michael Gove said "Britain has had enough of experts". Today his speech was almost solely a list of experts he agrees with. |
| 11.45am BST | 11.45am BST |
| 11:45 | 11:45 |
| Johnson denies lying about UK having to pay more to EU if it stays | Johnson denies lying about UK having to pay more to EU if it stays |
| Q: [From the BBC’s Laura Kuenssberg] Aren’t you selling out the truth? You says we will be forced to pay more to the EU. But you know the PM has done deals to stop the UK having to pay for eurzone bailouts. | Q: [From the BBC’s Laura Kuenssberg] Aren’t you selling out the truth? You says we will be forced to pay more to the EU. But you know the PM has done deals to stop the UK having to pay for eurzone bailouts. |
| Johnson says there is a black hole in the EU budgets, which means the UK will have to pay £2.4bn more. | Johnson says there is a black hole in the EU budgets, which means the UK will have to pay £2.4bn more. |
| If we remain in the EU, there is no way we can insulate ourselves from further costs. | If we remain in the EU, there is no way we can insulate ourselves from further costs. |
| Johnson's basic comeback to Qs on fact that we're exempt from paying into eurozone bailouts - don't believe Cameron's deal, treaties supreme | Johnson's basic comeback to Qs on fact that we're exempt from paying into eurozone bailouts - don't believe Cameron's deal, treaties supreme |
| Updated | Updated |
| at 11.50am BST | at 11.50am BST |
| 11.42am BST | 11.42am BST |
| 11:42 | 11:42 |
| Vote Leave Q&A | Vote Leave Q&A |
| The panel are now taking questions, from journalists and from workers at the warehouse. | The panel are now taking questions, from journalists and from workers at the warehouse. |
| Q: [From a worker] If we leave the EU, will EU migrants working here have to leave? | Q: [From a worker] If we leave the EU, will EU migrants working here have to leave? |
| Stuart says she (a German) is not going anywhere, and EU citizens working here will not have to leave either. She says it is irresponsible to suggest otherwise. | Stuart says she (a German) is not going anywhere, and EU citizens working here will not have to leave either. She says it is irresponsible to suggest otherwise. |
| 11.40am BST | 11.40am BST |
| 11:40 | 11:40 |
| Johnson says the UK gave up its veto over further eurozone integration as part of David Cameron’s EU renegotiation. | Johnson says the UK gave up its veto over further eurozone integration as part of David Cameron’s EU renegotiation. |
| If the UK stays in the EU, there is nothing we can do to protect this country from the biggest social change seen for a century - mass immigration, partly prompted by economic problems in the EU. | If the UK stays in the EU, there is nothing we can do to protect this country from the biggest social change seen for a century - mass immigration, partly prompted by economic problems in the EU. |
| He says the Remain campaign have not set out their plan for how Britain can cope with rising immigration. | He says the Remain campaign have not set out their plan for how Britain can cope with rising immigration. |
| He says the Leave campaign have a solution: take back control. | He says the Leave campaign have a solution: take back control. |
| It is a delusion to think we can gain greater prosperity by bartering away our freedom and our democracy. | It is a delusion to think we can gain greater prosperity by bartering away our freedom and our democracy. |
| He says around the world no other group of countries are doing what the EU is doing - creating a centralised union. | He says around the world no other group of countries are doing what the EU is doing - creating a centralised union. |
| So the risk of remaining are becoming more and more obvious, he says. | So the risk of remaining are becoming more and more obvious, he says. |
| That is why we are winning the arguments today, he says. | That is why we are winning the arguments today, he says. |
| 11.36am BST | 11.36am BST |
| 11:36 | 11:36 |
| Johnson says UK cannot have economic success without democratic control | Johnson says UK cannot have economic success without democratic control |
| Boris Johnson is speaking now. | Boris Johnson is speaking now. |
| He says they are at a warehouse distributing cleaning products. No one can say they are not running a clean campaign, he jokes. | He says they are at a warehouse distributing cleaning products. No one can say they are not running a clean campaign, he jokes. |
| He says the Vote Leave campaign are winning all the democratic arguments. Does anyone know the name of their MEP? I rest my case, he says. | He says the Vote Leave campaign are winning all the democratic arguments. Does anyone know the name of their MEP? I rest my case, he says. |
| He says people can see that it is wrong that 60% of laws going through Westminster originate from Brussels. | He says people can see that it is wrong that 60% of laws going through Westminster originate from Brussels. |
| He says only 3.6% of European commission officials are British. Britain has been outvoted more than any other country, he says. | He says only 3.6% of European commission officials are British. Britain has been outvoted more than any other country, he says. |
| He says Remain are arguing that it is worth sacrificing democracy for economic gain. But he says he will argue today that democracy is essential for economic success. | He says Remain are arguing that it is worth sacrificing democracy for economic gain. But he says he will argue today that democracy is essential for economic success. |
| 11.32am BST | 11.32am BST |
| 11:32 | 11:32 |
| Michael Gove is speaking now. | Michael Gove is speaking now. |
| He says the EU was formed for idealistic reason. He admires those reasons, he says. | He says the EU was formed for idealistic reason. He admires those reasons, he says. |
| But he says now it is undermining the UK’s security. | But he says now it is undermining the UK’s security. |
| He says the Schengen zone helps terrorists move around Europe. That is not just his view, he says. It is the view of Ronald Noble, the former head of Interpol, he says. | He says the Schengen zone helps terrorists move around Europe. That is not just his view, he says. It is the view of Ronald Noble, the former head of Interpol, he says. |
| He says the EU wants to create a European army. | He says the EU wants to create a European army. |
| And he says the EU is undermining Nato. | And he says the EU is undermining Nato. |
| He also says we need to free ourselves from “the rogue European court of justice”. It is not like a normal court, overseen by independent judges. It is a court with a political agenda that can overrule parliament, he says. | He also says we need to free ourselves from “the rogue European court of justice”. It is not like a normal court, overseen by independent judges. It is a court with a political agenda that can overrule parliament, he says. |
| He says, if anything, it is likely to over-rule parliament more often in the future. | He says, if anything, it is likely to over-rule parliament more often in the future. |
| 11.26am BST | 11.26am BST |
| 11:26 | 11:26 |
| Longworth says companies like the EU because it is a source of cheap labour. | Longworth says companies like the EU because it is a source of cheap labour. |
| He says the single market is a “protectionist customs union”. We are better off out of it, he says. | He says the single market is a “protectionist customs union”. We are better off out of it, he says. |
| 11.24am BST | 11.24am BST |
| 11:24 | 11:24 |
| John Longworth, the former director general of the British Chambers of Commerce, is speaking now. | John Longworth, the former director general of the British Chambers of Commerce, is speaking now. |
| He says the EU works in the interests of Germany. If the UK stays in, Germany will benefit, he says. | He says the EU works in the interests of Germany. If the UK stays in, Germany will benefit, he says. |
| Alternatively, the eurozone could explode, he says. | Alternatively, the eurozone could explode, he says. |
| Believe me - you don’t want to be in the room when that bomb goes off. | Believe me - you don’t want to be in the room when that bomb goes off. |
| 11.21am BST | 11.21am BST |
| 11:21 | 11:21 |
| 11.19am BST | 11.19am BST |
| 11:19 | 11:19 |
| There is a live feed of the event at the top of the blog. | There is a live feed of the event at the top of the blog. |
| Gisela Stuart, the Labour MP, is speaking now. She says she is an immigrant. She is a beneficiary of an open system. But it is not right to have a system where politicians do not have control over their borders, she says. | Gisela Stuart, the Labour MP, is speaking now. She says she is an immigrant. She is a beneficiary of an open system. But it is not right to have a system where politicians do not have control over their borders, she says. |