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EU referendum live: VAT could rise 2% under Tory Brexit budget, Labour says | EU referendum live: VAT could rise 2% under Tory Brexit budget, Labour says |
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4.28pm BST | |
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Farage says the behaviour of universities in the referendum campaign has been “deplorable”. There are over 200 Monnet chairs. That means they get money from the EU. | |
He says we should be encouraging as many foreign students as possible to come to the UK to study here. | |
4.25pm BST | |
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Q: How would we make up the deficit of key workers, especially in the NHS? | |
Farage says it is shameful that two thirds of people who want to train as nurser are turned away. | |
And then we should have work permits for foreigners coming here to work, as 200 other countries in the world do. | |
4.22pm BST | |
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Farage says he wants to have a united country where race and religion is deemed irrelevant. | |
Q: You should come to Brighton. People are integrated. | |
Farage says it is different in places like Oldham or Peterborough, which are not integrated. | |
Q: What is the plan if we leave? | |
Farage says the plan is simple. We vote to leave and get rid of “dishonest Dave”. We need a Brexit prime minister. Then we go to Brussels and negotiate a “sensible, amicable divorce”. Even if we don’t get a trade deal, it will still be better than what we have. | |
And if people don’t like the government, they can vote to change it. | |
4.15pm BST | |
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Q: People have been kicked out of your party for saying racist things. Don’t say it is just people coming back from the party after one too many drinks. | |
Farage says people who have said racist or anti-semitic things have been kicked out. In Labour people get re-admitted. | |
4.14pm BST | |
16:14 | |
Nigel Farage at BuzzFeed | |
Nigel Farage is taking part in the BuzzFeed event now. | |
He says there is a simple choice: do we want to run our own affairs or not. He says got the big M - momentum. | |
Q: I am embarrassed to tell people I am voting Leave, because people think you are a racist. Are you to blame for that? | |
Farage says he is guilty of making this an issue. When he went on Question Time in 2000, he was the first person in 20 years on that programme to say Britain should leave the EU. | |
He says in any walk of life, if you take on the establishment, people will abuse you. In 2014, when his party started to rise in the poll, there was an attempt to depict them as racist. None of that was true. | |
The party has been demonised. | |
Q: There is a long record of Ukip people saying abusive things. | |
Farage says in 20014, there were cases of Ukip people coming home from the pub and posting abusive things online. Over the same period there were 200 people from other parties found guilty of serious crimes. | |
4.07pm BST | |
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According to the Sun, the Tory MP Bernard Jenkin has written to David Cameron saying that he is appalled that Cameron allowed Amber Rudd, the energy secretary, to attack Boris Johnson in the way that she did in last night’s debate. It is taken for granted that she would not have said what she did if it had not been approved by Cameron and George Osborne. (ConservativeHome’s Paul Goodman says today: “The voice was the voice of the climate change secretary. But the hands looked like those of friends of the chancellor.”) | |
Jenkin told the Sun: | |
This was a sanctioned, personal vilification supported by the prime minister. I am absolutely appalled. | |
There have been one or two silly things said by both sides in this campaign. | |
But it’s absolutely suicidal for the party to behave like this, for the leader of our party to behave like this. It is not what most Conservatives are. | |
3.54pm BST | 3.54pm BST |
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And here are some of the highlights from Nicola Sturgeon’s appearance at the BuzzFeed town hall event. At the end she had 61% of the studio audience liking her, and 36% opposed. | And here are some of the highlights from Nicola Sturgeon’s appearance at the BuzzFeed town hall event. At the end she had 61% of the studio audience liking her, and 36% opposed. |
"I don't like negative campaigning," Sturgeon says on accusations of Project Fear, adding: "I don't think it treats people with respect." | "I don't like negative campaigning," Sturgeon says on accusations of Project Fear, adding: "I don't think it treats people with respect." |
"Don't take the decision about the future of the UK on a grievance or your thoughts about the SNP or me," replies Sturgeon. | "Don't take the decision about the future of the UK on a grievance or your thoughts about the SNP or me," replies Sturgeon. |
Nicola Sturgeon says it's "possible" that Scotland could keep England inside the EU against it's will. | Nicola Sturgeon says it's "possible" that Scotland could keep England inside the EU against it's will. |
"I'm not going to stand here and start to criticise other politicians," says Sturgeon after being asked if Cameron is mishandling Remain. | "I'm not going to stand here and start to criticise other politicians," says Sturgeon after being asked if Cameron is mishandling Remain. |
Invited to describe herself as a "unionist" in the EU referendum, Nicola Sturgeon instead plumps for "Europhile"... pic.twitter.com/KnpsPirIjX | Invited to describe herself as a "unionist" in the EU referendum, Nicola Sturgeon instead plumps for "Europhile"... pic.twitter.com/KnpsPirIjX |
"If there's a Leave vote we would not automatically get more powers in the Scottish parliament," says Sturgeon. | "If there's a Leave vote we would not automatically get more powers in the Scottish parliament," says Sturgeon. |
Sturgeon asked if she'll be supporting England at the Euros? "I hope all the home nations will do really well." ⚽️ pic.twitter.com/zwPOz8bmXT | Sturgeon asked if she'll be supporting England at the Euros? "I hope all the home nations will do really well." ⚽️ pic.twitter.com/zwPOz8bmXT |
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On the World at One the Labour MP Clive Lewis said that politicians and the public needed to have an “honest conversation” about immigration. He acknowledged that people had legitimate concerns about it, but he said it was also important to recognise that Europe needed immigrants because of its ageing population. | On the World at One the Labour MP Clive Lewis said that politicians and the public needed to have an “honest conversation” about immigration. He acknowledged that people had legitimate concerns about it, but he said it was also important to recognise that Europe needed immigrants because of its ageing population. |
And he criticised some papers and politicians for whipping up hysteria on the subject. | And he criticised some papers and politicians for whipping up hysteria on the subject. |
This is the analogy I would use; if a politician and a newspaper collude and say ‘let’s publicly say an asteroid is going to hit the planet’, do you blame the person who goes out running around saying ‘the end of the world is nigh’? No, you don’t, it’s not their fault, it’s the people that are lying to people, covering their backsides, as to what the issues of immigration are. The reason people are concerned about immigration is partly because of the hysteria that some politicians and newspapers are whipping up on this. | This is the analogy I would use; if a politician and a newspaper collude and say ‘let’s publicly say an asteroid is going to hit the planet’, do you blame the person who goes out running around saying ‘the end of the world is nigh’? No, you don’t, it’s not their fault, it’s the people that are lying to people, covering their backsides, as to what the issues of immigration are. The reason people are concerned about immigration is partly because of the hysteria that some politicians and newspapers are whipping up on this. |
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And here is Lord Mandelson, the former Labour business secretary and Britain Stronger in Europe campaigner, commenting on what Wolfgang Schäuble said. (See 3.25pm.) Mandelsons said: | And here is Lord Mandelson, the former Labour business secretary and Britain Stronger in Europe campaigner, commenting on what Wolfgang Schäuble said. (See 3.25pm.) Mandelsons said: |
This finally knocks on the head the Leave campaign’s claim that we can leave the EU and still enjoy the benefits of the single market. We cannot leave the club and continue to use its facilities. | This finally knocks on the head the Leave campaign’s claim that we can leave the EU and still enjoy the benefits of the single market. We cannot leave the club and continue to use its facilities. |
Being outside the single market would be a hammer blow to the UK economy. Our future trade will be hit and our manufacturing sector, which relies on the single market’s free movement of goods and people, will be at risk. | Being outside the single market would be a hammer blow to the UK economy. Our future trade will be hit and our manufacturing sector, which relies on the single market’s free movement of goods and people, will be at risk. |
This is the cold reality of Brexit that the British people must face. If we leave we lose the economic gains of being the world’s largest free trade zone, putting jobs and livelihoods at risk. | This is the cold reality of Brexit that the British people must face. If we leave we lose the economic gains of being the world’s largest free trade zone, putting jobs and livelihoods at risk. |
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Vote Leave has responded to Wolfgang Schäuble, the German finance minister, saying that the UK would not have access to the single market if it left the EU. This is from Matthew Elliott, its chief executive. | Vote Leave has responded to Wolfgang Schäuble, the German finance minister, saying that the UK would not have access to the single market if it left the EU. This is from Matthew Elliott, its chief executive. |
There is no question about it, Britain will still have access to the Single Market after we vote Leave. It would be perverse of the eurozone to try to create artificial barriers - and would do far more damage to them than to anyone else. | There is no question about it, Britain will still have access to the Single Market after we vote Leave. It would be perverse of the eurozone to try to create artificial barriers - and would do far more damage to them than to anyone else. |
Elliott is using a different defintion of access. | Elliott is using a different defintion of access. |
Vote Leave has said it does not want the UK to be a full member of the single market. It does not want the UK to have to follow all the single market’s regulatory rules and allow free movement of labour, as EU member states that are full members of the single market have to do. But it still expects the UK to be able to sell goods into the single market. | Vote Leave has said it does not want the UK to be a full member of the single market. It does not want the UK to have to follow all the single market’s regulatory rules and allow free movement of labour, as EU member states that are full members of the single market have to do. But it still expects the UK to be able to sell goods into the single market. |
And Schäuble is not saying the UK would not be able to sell goods to Germany. He is saying the EU would not want to allow the UK to retain all the advantages of being a full member of the single market. Vote Leave does not want this, but Schäuble’s comment may have been prompted by reports that, if the UK does vote to leave, MPs may try to insist on retaining full single market membership as the legislation for withdrawal is going through parliament. | And Schäuble is not saying the UK would not be able to sell goods to Germany. He is saying the EU would not want to allow the UK to retain all the advantages of being a full member of the single market. Vote Leave does not want this, but Schäuble’s comment may have been prompted by reports that, if the UK does vote to leave, MPs may try to insist on retaining full single market membership as the legislation for withdrawal is going through parliament. |
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Ashdown says Leave campaign has approach to sovereignty that is 100 years out of date | Ashdown says Leave campaign has approach to sovereignty that is 100 years out of date |
Paddy Ashdown, the former Lib Dem leader, gave a speech on the EU referendum this morning. Here are two extracts. | Paddy Ashdown, the former Lib Dem leader, gave a speech on the EU referendum this morning. Here are two extracts. |
The Brexit case is 100 years out of date. They think that sovereignty still lies, unchanged, where it lay at the height of the British Empire, safely cocooned and protected in the institutions of Whitehall. They say they want to take their country back – that’s right – back 100 years to an age which is long past and has little relevance to global the realities of today ... | The Brexit case is 100 years out of date. They think that sovereignty still lies, unchanged, where it lay at the height of the British Empire, safely cocooned and protected in the institutions of Whitehall. They say they want to take their country back – that’s right – back 100 years to an age which is long past and has little relevance to global the realities of today ... |
Here is the truth the Brexiteers refuse to accept: There is now more power to affect the lives of British citizens, lying outside our national institutions and beyond our borders, than lying within them. | Here is the truth the Brexiteers refuse to accept: There is now more power to affect the lives of British citizens, lying outside our national institutions and beyond our borders, than lying within them. |
We used to be able to divide politics between domestic and foreign. This is now no longer possible. | We used to be able to divide politics between domestic and foreign. This is now no longer possible. |
There is no domestic question that can today be resolved within our domestic institutions alone; not crime, not health, not jobs, not security, not prosperity, not the environment, not transport, not agriculture, not fisheries, not immigration. Good outcomes on all these - and many more - are best secured – indeed only secured – by working effectively, not just nationally, but internationally with those who share our interest. | There is no domestic question that can today be resolved within our domestic institutions alone; not crime, not health, not jobs, not security, not prosperity, not the environment, not transport, not agriculture, not fisheries, not immigration. Good outcomes on all these - and many more - are best secured – indeed only secured – by working effectively, not just nationally, but internationally with those who share our interest. |
We act as though immigration is a new challenge. It is not. Vast movements of population ahead of war and pestilence and plague has always been with us. Churchill called us the “mongrel nation”, made up as we are of Angles and Saxons and Danes and Vikings and Huguenots and Jews and Ugandan Asians and West Indians and the new wave of migrants from eastern Europe. And that is what has shaped our national character. | We act as though immigration is a new challenge. It is not. Vast movements of population ahead of war and pestilence and plague has always been with us. Churchill called us the “mongrel nation”, made up as we are of Angles and Saxons and Danes and Vikings and Huguenots and Jews and Ugandan Asians and West Indians and the new wave of migrants from eastern Europe. And that is what has shaped our national character. |
And by the way London is the mongrel city – which is one of the reasons why it is the world’s only successful mega-city. | And by the way London is the mongrel city – which is one of the reasons why it is the world’s only successful mega-city. |
Migration is not a new fact. It is an age old one. | Migration is not a new fact. It is an age old one. |
Mass movement of people is the new normal – the new global strategic challenge of our time. It is not temporary and it is not time limited and, with global warming, it is only going to increase ... | Mass movement of people is the new normal – the new global strategic challenge of our time. It is not temporary and it is not time limited and, with global warming, it is only going to increase ... |
We will either deal with the new global challenge of migration as a European region together, or we will not deal with it. And we will either deal with it using our humanity, or we will be forced to do it with barbed wire and truncheons – and that way comes, not to more peace, but more conflict. | We will either deal with the new global challenge of migration as a European region together, or we will not deal with it. And we will either deal with it using our humanity, or we will be forced to do it with barbed wire and truncheons – and that way comes, not to more peace, but more conflict. |
And by the way, given that this is now not just a European challenge, but also a global one, my guess is that it will not be long before we will realise that we need some new global architecture for coping with migration. And if the EU was wise, we should be pushing for that too. | And by the way, given that this is now not just a European challenge, but also a global one, my guess is that it will not be long before we will realise that we need some new global architecture for coping with migration. And if the EU was wise, we should be pushing for that too. |
Here are some fundamental facts about immigration, which we have so far shied away from saying in this debate. | Here are some fundamental facts about immigration, which we have so far shied away from saying in this debate. |
There is no wave of immigration into this country that we have not benefited from economically and culturally. | There is no wave of immigration into this country that we have not benefited from economically and culturally. |