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| Facebook leaders debate: Turnbull and Shorten in online head-to-head – politics live | |
| (35 minutes later) | |
| 9.19am BST | |
| 09:19 | |
| Fourth question is climate change. What are the respective positions of the leaders? | |
| Bill Shorten plays the man before recounting the various Labor policies: | |
| Climate change is a real problem. I’m very lucky that I don’t lead a party who disputes me about the science of climate change. | |
| Malcolm Turnbull repeats his formulation that he’s paid a high price for his support for the science of climate change. He then launches into a defence of Direct Action. | |
| 9.17am BST | |
| 09:17 | |
| Third question is housing affordability. | |
| Bill Shorten is asked what’s on the table beyond negative gearing. He says he wants to work with the states on land supply. | |
| Malcolm Turnbull says the answer is his government’s cities policy. And supply. And infrastructure. | |
| 9.14am BST | |
| 09:14 | |
| Here’s the online experience based on my reader feedback. I’m watching the networks because I need a reliable feed and I don’t trust the interwebz. Sorry interwebz. | |
| @murpharoo so far it's out of sync and there's a wavy snake of angry emoticons drifting across. Weird. | |
| 9.13am BST | |
| 09:13 | |
| Second question is from a woman at the venue, Mary, a shift worker. She wants to know about penalty rates. | |
| Malcolm Turnbull says the government has no plans to change penalty rates at all. | |
| Not only do we have no plans, we will not. We will not make changes to penalty rates. It is a matter for the independent umpire, the Fair Work Commission. | |
| Bill Shorten says Labor is committed to protecting penalty rates. He wants Malcolm Turnbull to put in a submission to the FWC arguing for the retention of penalty rates, like Labor did. Turnbull says he doesn’t think governments should lean on tribunals. | |
| Malcolm Turnbull: | |
| We believe the independent umpire should be independent and not be lent on by government one way or the other. | |
| 9.08am BST | |
| 09:08 | |
| First question is from Melissa on Facebook who wonders why anyone can trust a word that politicians say. | |
| Malcolm Turnbull kicks off proceedings. | |
| We have an opportunity to make a very clear decision between now and July 2. And what I’m offering, as prime minister, and leader of the Coalition, is a very clear economic plan that will deliver stronger economic growth and more jobs. Because it is designed to do so. And it’s affordable. | |
| He delivers the stump speech. Hildebrand follows up. The question was about trust given there has been a churn of prime ministers. | |
| Malcolm Turnbull says, with a grin, I am opposed to churning prime ministers. He says he’s very committed to the prime minister after the election, so everyone is on the same page. | |
| Bill Shorten addresses the question directly. He says Labor has learned the unity lesson. He says Labor can be trusted because it has put out big target policies, and will protect things voters care about. | |
| 9.02am BST | |
| 09:02 | |
| Joe Hildebrand: | |
| This is not the press gallery, these are the real people out there who quite a few, they don’t take crap. You know that. We know that. Let get started! | |
| (Ok then.) | |
| 9.01am BST | |
| 09:01 | |
| The leaders are in the venue and ready to go. Joe Hildebrand says he’s just the conduit here. | |
| I am the empty vessel. | |
| 8.57am BST | |
| 08:57 | |
| Kick off very shortly now. I can see Joe Hildebrand roving round with a microphone. | |
| 8.53am BST | |
| 08:53 | |
| Some particulars. The debate is being moderated by Joe Hildebrand. There is a small audience, about thirty or so undecided voters. Some questions will come from the audience, some crowd sourced from voters on Facebook. The duration was to be an hour, but the advice now is 45 minutes. | |
| 8.49am BST | |
| 08:49 | |
| If you want a second screen that isn’t Facebook or news.com, both ABC24 and Sky News are broadcasting live this evening. #JustSaying | |
| 8.36am BST | 8.36am BST |
| 08:36 | 08:36 |
| Top of the Friday evening to you all | Top of the Friday evening to you all |
| Hello good people of #ausvotes and welcome to Friday evening, which is an unusual Friday evening because it contains an election debate rather than a full tilt sprint to the nearest wine bar/pizza outlet. Yes folks, I’m afraid you need to either put the sprint on hold for an hour or so, or order-in if you simply cannot wait, because we need to watch the prime minister and alternative prime minister. Why? Well because they, well, actually, the prime minister in particular, (given election debates benefit opposition leaders more than they benefit prime ministers) would really prefer you didn’t watch. Malcolm Turnbull would like voters to register that a debate has happened so no-one who expects to be returned as prime minister for the next three years can be accused justly of harbouring a debate phobia (imagine, a debate phobia), but by all means Australia, don’t bother watching. That’s what scheduling a debate at 6pm on a Friday evening tells you more succinctly than words ever could. Don’t. Bother. Watching. Seriously. Don’t. Even. | Hello good people of #ausvotes and welcome to Friday evening, which is an unusual Friday evening because it contains an election debate rather than a full tilt sprint to the nearest wine bar/pizza outlet. Yes folks, I’m afraid you need to either put the sprint on hold for an hour or so, or order-in if you simply cannot wait, because we need to watch the prime minister and alternative prime minister. Why? Well because they, well, actually, the prime minister in particular, (given election debates benefit opposition leaders more than they benefit prime ministers) would really prefer you didn’t watch. Malcolm Turnbull would like voters to register that a debate has happened so no-one who expects to be returned as prime minister for the next three years can be accused justly of harbouring a debate phobia (imagine, a debate phobia), but by all means Australia, don’t bother watching. That’s what scheduling a debate at 6pm on a Friday evening tells you more succinctly than words ever could. Don’t. Bother. Watching. Seriously. Don’t. Even. |
| Well, the thing is, I’m Irish by heritage (yes, tonight, the shocks keep coming), and I blame that for my hard wired tendency to do exactly what I’m told not to do. I am perverse like that. And I know I’m not alone. I know there will be the loyal and wonderful Politics Live crowd, sitting with their laptops, tablets and smart phones, perversely resolute in making sure that the fix tonight is not in, perversely resolute in hanging on every word of these proceedings, to see for ourselves whether they are a burst of the future, an exemplar of the digital era of political communications, or whether they are a complete, buffering, spluttering, omnishambles. Yes, fellow travellers, our eyes will be very firmly on the prize this evening and our reward will be the warm inner glow that comes from knowing that we have all watched despite all the prodigious effort involved in trying to make us do the opposite. | Well, the thing is, I’m Irish by heritage (yes, tonight, the shocks keep coming), and I blame that for my hard wired tendency to do exactly what I’m told not to do. I am perverse like that. And I know I’m not alone. I know there will be the loyal and wonderful Politics Live crowd, sitting with their laptops, tablets and smart phones, perversely resolute in making sure that the fix tonight is not in, perversely resolute in hanging on every word of these proceedings, to see for ourselves whether they are a burst of the future, an exemplar of the digital era of political communications, or whether they are a complete, buffering, spluttering, omnishambles. Yes, fellow travellers, our eyes will be very firmly on the prize this evening and our reward will be the warm inner glow that comes from knowing that we have all watched despite all the prodigious effort involved in trying to make us do the opposite. |
| We will also be able to watch with Mike Bowers in the venue, recording proceedings. You will be able to watch and record your contributions in the thread, which is sitting wide open, welcoming your business. If the thread’s too bracing for you, Mike Bowers and I are up and about on the twits – he’s @mpbowers and I’m @murpharoo. If you only speak Facebook you can join my daily forum here. And if you want a behind-the-scenes look at the day and the campaign as a whole, give Mike a follow on Instagram. You can find him here. | We will also be able to watch with Mike Bowers in the venue, recording proceedings. You will be able to watch and record your contributions in the thread, which is sitting wide open, welcoming your business. If the thread’s too bracing for you, Mike Bowers and I are up and about on the twits – he’s @mpbowers and I’m @murpharoo. If you only speak Facebook you can join my daily forum here. And if you want a behind-the-scenes look at the day and the campaign as a whole, give Mike a follow on Instagram. You can find him here. |
| Shiver me interwebz timbers. Here comes the Friday Facebook face-off. | Shiver me interwebz timbers. Here comes the Friday Facebook face-off. |