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Labour leadership debate: Jeremy Corbyn and Owen Smith in Cardiff – live Labour leadership debate: Jeremy Corbyn and Owen Smith in Cardiff – live
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Next question is on immigration. Do the candidates recognise that people feel uneasy about immigration? That’s the end of the first Labour leadership debate. Only five more to go...
Smith concedes there are pressures on social services, but investment is the answer to solving these problems. 8.38pm BST
Corbyn says he recognises the unease but that we live in a multicultural society and that the UK has benefitted from immigrants. 20:38
8.01pm BST Jeremy Corbyn says Labour lost the last general election because it offered “austerity-lite” and abstaining on the welfare reform bill.
20:01 Party membership has gone up to 540,000 under his leadership - people are engaged in politics in a way they were not before. He ends with a call for “real social justice right across this country” to slightly more applause.
Channel 4 News polticial correspondent Michael Crick tweets: 8.35pm BST
Some jeers as Owen Smith justifies voting for Trident by saying his hero is (Welshman) Nye Bevan 20:35
8.00pm BST Two-minute closing pitches now:
20:00 Owen Smith says the country is in crisis that was compounded by the Brexit vote. Labour’s legacy is being wiped out and the party is divided. The answer is a powerful, strong opposition that is a government-in-waiting, he tells the Cardiff debate.
New Statesman political editor George Eaton tweets: Smith promises to deliver the most radical programme since the Labour administration of 1945. “I will take us back to government,” he ends on, to strong applause from the audience.
No chance of Trident abolition becoming Labour policy under conference rules (unions have 50% of vote). #LabourLeadership 8.32pm BST
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19:59 Final question is about how to re-engage voters in Wales.
Next question: Trident renewal. Corbyn mentions a number of concepts, including the EU funding that could be lost being replaced by Westminster. It’s also unacceptable that travelling from north to south Wales by a method other than cars is very difficult, he adds.
Corbyn says he voted against the renewal, to loud cheers from the audience. Renewing the nuclear deterrent is not moving towards a world free of nuclear weapons, he adds. Smith starts by saying he wants a Labour government in power to work with the Labour “comrades” in Wales and would invest £10bn in infrastructure. “We need a Labour government at both ends of the M4.”
Smith is in favour of a world without nuclear weapons – but argues that the UK needs to retain a nuclear deterrent because of heightened threats from countries such as Russia in what has become a more dangerous world. 8.28pm BST
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Smith says legislation is needed to narrow the gender pay gap and outlaw discrimination: “To do that we need to be in government ... we’ve got to win, Jeremy.”
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Welsh Labour MP Chris Elmore tweets:
.@owensmith2016 says #Labour should be ashamed of anti semitism in the party. Jeremy supporter shouts 'why' - I'm shocked beyond words!
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A question – which could be the last – about female leadership of the Labour party.
Smith thinks 50% of the party’s MPs and shadow cabinet should be women.
Corbyn mentions all-women shortlists and driving down the gender pay gap as ways to promote women. His first shadow cabinet was majority female, he adds.
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Austerity has failed and it’s time to invest in this country, Smith says. “It’s a question of whether we can afford not to do this.” Huffington Post political editor Paul Waugh tweets:
Corbyn responds: “You can’t cut your way to prosperity.” He says Labour has made mistakes but has changed and wants the party to go further down the road to minimise “grotesque” levels of inequality in the country. Shades of Kinnock/Militant speech there from Smith Ashamed that 'The Labour party, the Labour party,..accused of anti-semitism'
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Smith says 2 million Labour voters would rather have Theresa May as prime minister. “That has to be a wake-up call to the party,” he adds. Labour has been too slow to admit that the party has a problem with antisemitism – something it should be ashamed of, Smith says. “How has this happened?” he asks Corbyn.
Corbyn says many of the cases pre-date his leadership and wants Labour to be inclusive. Nineteen members have been suspended and rule changes are coming, he adds.
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How to convince voters that Labour is fiscally responsible is the next question. On to antisemitism, which Corbyn says has “no place in the Labour party”.
Corybn says measures such as a very large housing programme is needed – for example, building 1m homes in the next five years and providing lifetime tenancies for council houses. Smith says he would have “zero tolerance” – with no short-term suspensions. “They would be out.”
Corbyn says every case should be investigated: “That’s what we are doing.”
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Owen Smith says it is time to “stop the culture of greed” with “good old-fashioned socialist policies”. Smith says we are an immigrant nation, which is something we “need to be proud of”.
Without being able to win, we won’t be able to do anything other than protest, Smith says: “Otherwise it’s just hot air.” He refuses to set targets for immigrations because we need migrants.
Updated Corbyn says non-European immigration is strictly controlled and that needs to be looked at. He adds that Smith is right about the need for migrant nurses in the NHS, for example.
at 7.52pm BST There are 2 million British people in Europe who want to stay there and that should be remembered, the Labour leader notes.
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Smith says Britain needs to be reindustrialised – something Corbyn has also spoken about.
How will it make the country more competitive? We need to do more to develop ideas in Britain, Corbyn says: “We need a different strategy.”
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Sky political correspondent Sophy Ridge tweets:
Owen Smith to Corbyn: "I don't think you spoke with the passion that some of us in the Labour Party feel"on EU referendum #LabourLeadership