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| VP debate pits Kaine and Pence against Trump's own words – campaign live | VP debate pits Kaine and Pence against Trump's own words – campaign live |
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| Low ratings for veep debate | |
| The vice-presidential debate had fewer TV viewers than any veep debate since 2000, Politicio reports: | |
| According to ratings data from Nielsen, the four broadcast networks (ABC, CBS, NBC and Fox) and the big three cable news channels (CNN, Fox News and MSNBC) averaged around 36 million viewers. Those numbers do not include people watching on channels like PBS, Fox Business Network or C-SPAN, or anyone streaming the debate online. | |
| For comparison, the 2012 VP debate between Joe Biden and Paul Ryan averaged over 51 million viewers. The 2008 debate between Biden and Sarah Palin set a high watermark for viewership with 70 million, while the 2004 debate between Dick Cheney and John Edwards averaged just under 44 million viewers. The 2000 debate between Cheney and Joe Lieberman averaged 29 million viewer | |
| The 36 million figure isn’t final; updated figures will be released this afternoon. | |
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| Ever heard a tenor sax on God Bless America? | |
| You have now: | |
| Beautiful morning- thank you @ICLV! pic.twitter.com/xzJhrLgjHP | |
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| Gore to hit trail for Clinton | |
| Former vice president and climate change Cassandra Al Gore will hit the campaign trail for Hillary Clinton this month, according to various reports including CNN and NBC. | |
| The reports quote unnamed Democrats as saying that the party hopes Gore will boost Clinton’s appeal with millennials. | |
| Well, they loved Sanders, who’s 75. Gore’s only 68. | |
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| At a stop at the International Christian Academy at the International Church of Las Vegas, Donald Trump spoke to a group of 72 pastors, pledging to nominate Supreme Court justices who will rule in favor of religious liberty, according to a report by his traveling pool. | |
| Trump also had high praise for running mate Mike Pence’s debate performance, saying he, Trump, was “very proud”: | |
| Whenever anyone says, ‘Maybe we’ll sit this one out,’ you know with the Supreme Court, they never want to sit it out. And I was very proud last night of Governor Mike Pence. I watched - he won. He won on the issues. He won on – somebody said he won on style. The style doesn’t matter – the issues, the policy matters. He’s getting tremendous reviews from me and everybody. He was great — he’s been a wonderful choice, and as you know he’s a great Christian…so that’s very important to me. | |
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| Done with Des Moines, Bernie Sanders motors up to Madison, Wisconsin, for another rally on behalf of Clinton. | Done with Des Moines, Bernie Sanders motors up to Madison, Wisconsin, for another rally on behalf of Clinton. |
| Here’s a photo. Crowd estimates? | Here’s a photo. Crowd estimates? |
| I'm awful at crowd estimates, so here's a panorama of the crowd at the Madison @HillaryClinton rally feat. @BernieSanders. Start time in 30. pic.twitter.com/YJqW3m0OiF | I'm awful at crowd estimates, so here's a panorama of the crowd at the Madison @HillaryClinton rally feat. @BernieSanders. Start time in 30. pic.twitter.com/YJqW3m0OiF |
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| Why is that kid repeating over and over, “I’m nervous! I’m nervous. I’m nervous!” And what does the second child say at the end about “see how that touches his hair but it’s orange”? | Why is that kid repeating over and over, “I’m nervous! I’m nervous. I’m nervous!” And what does the second child say at the end about “see how that touches his hair but it’s orange”? |
| Trump is running around in Nevada today. | Trump is running around in Nevada today. |
| 1st graders at International Christian Academy react to Trump walking into their class. pic.twitter.com/5ZQr7Ep98G | 1st graders at International Christian Academy react to Trump walking into their class. pic.twitter.com/5ZQr7Ep98G |
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| Clinton: Obamacare problems 'not [Obama's] fault' | Clinton: Obamacare problems 'not [Obama's] fault' |
| As Bill Clinton paid a visit to a barbershop and coffee shop in Youngstown, Ohio, he was asked about his remark Monday that Obamacare is a “crazy system.” | As Bill Clinton paid a visit to a barbershop and coffee shop in Youngstown, Ohio, he was asked about his remark Monday that Obamacare is a “crazy system.” |
| “It’s clear from what I said that there are problems with it,” Clinton told pool reporters, referring to Obama. “That’s not his fault; he tried to get the public option.” | “It’s clear from what I said that there are problems with it,” Clinton told pool reporters, referring to Obama. “That’s not his fault; he tried to get the public option.” |
| Clinton said was particularly “frustrating.. for people just a little bit above the subsidy line [who] are having insurance markets that are not working as well as they should.” | Clinton said was particularly “frustrating.. for people just a little bit above the subsidy line [who] are having insurance markets that are not working as well as they should.” |
| “The reason I decided to start talking about this,” said Clinton, was that he had “started my own focus groups about a year ago” and all the people said they were grateful for the progress on pre-existing conditions “but as time goes on it’s obvious that adversaries of healthcare are trying to use a problem that the bill has”. | “The reason I decided to start talking about this,” said Clinton, was that he had “started my own focus groups about a year ago” and all the people said they were grateful for the progress on pre-existing conditions “but as time goes on it’s obvious that adversaries of healthcare are trying to use a problem that the bill has”. |
| “That’s what Hillary is saying: ‘we’ve got to help these small businesses” | “That’s what Hillary is saying: ‘we’ve got to help these small businesses” |
| Campaigning across Ohio for @HillaryClinton & stopped at Starting Lineup in Youngstown. No time for a cut but took the chair for a spin! pic.twitter.com/3xjegj6vvJ | Campaigning across Ohio for @HillaryClinton & stopped at Starting Lineup in Youngstown. No time for a cut but took the chair for a spin! pic.twitter.com/3xjegj6vvJ |
| Later Clinton stopped by a coffee shop. | Later Clinton stopped by a coffee shop. |
| “We got into the coffee business at the Foundation,” he told a barista. “Brazil is a big exporter of coffee and it’s very good for rebuilding the top soil.” | “We got into the coffee business at the Foundation,” he told a barista. “Brazil is a big exporter of coffee and it’s very good for rebuilding the top soil.” |
| “In fourth grade I wrote a speech about you,” responded the barista. | “In fourth grade I wrote a speech about you,” responded the barista. |
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| Apparently they let Bill hop out of the bus and jog off into the exit-ramp pasture for this shot, somewhere in Ohio: | Apparently they let Bill hop out of the bus and jog off into the exit-ramp pasture for this shot, somewhere in Ohio: |
| On the road again! Enjoying Day Two of our bus tour across Ohio campaigning for @HillaryClinton! #ImWithHer pic.twitter.com/qiatB7JCN8 | On the road again! Enjoying Day Two of our bus tour across Ohio campaigning for @HillaryClinton! #ImWithHer pic.twitter.com/qiatB7JCN8 |
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| These polling numbers from YouGov are by-and-large better for Clinton than the averages, although not in Pennsylvania, where averages have her up five points, and Wisconsin, where averages have her up four points. | These polling numbers from YouGov are by-and-large better for Clinton than the averages, although not in Pennsylvania, where averages have her up five points, and Wisconsin, where averages have her up four points. |
| The averages have Ohio basically tied. But a new Monmouth poll out today has her a little better than that, at plus-two points. | The averages have Ohio basically tied. But a new Monmouth poll out today has her a little better than that, at plus-two points. |
| Clinton’s lead:National +4MI +5CO +5NH +4WI +3NC +2FL +2PA +2NV +2IA +1OH +1GA TIEMore: https://t.co/W4VbfiI6zg pic.twitter.com/CJqallWDyr | Clinton’s lead:National +4MI +5CO +5NH +4WI +3NC +2FL +2PA +2NV +2IA +1OH +1GA TIEMore: https://t.co/W4VbfiI6zg pic.twitter.com/CJqallWDyr |
| Recent shifts in Gallup daily net favs are also visible across full set of national polls. pic.twitter.com/dHSihAnXA1 | Recent shifts in Gallup daily net favs are also visible across full set of national polls. pic.twitter.com/dHSihAnXA1 |
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| Obama warns of 'devastating' hurricane Matthew | Obama warns of 'devastating' hurricane Matthew |
| Barack Obama met with representatives of FEMA, the national guard, the department of homeland security and others to discuss what Obama described as the “devastating” hurricane that is barreling toward Florida and has already “hammered” Haiti en route to the Bahamas. | Barack Obama met with representatives of FEMA, the national guard, the department of homeland security and others to discuss what Obama described as the “devastating” hurricane that is barreling toward Florida and has already “hammered” Haiti en route to the Bahamas. |
| Hurricane Matthew, a category four storm, has been blamed for 11 deaths already and is the most powerful storm to hit the region in almost a decade. | Hurricane Matthew, a category four storm, has been blamed for 11 deaths already and is the most powerful storm to hit the region in almost a decade. |
| “Everyone needs to pay attention” Obama said, according to a White House pool report. He urged citizens living in Florida, Georgia, South Carolina and North Carolina to listen closely to their local and state leaders and evacuate if asked. | “Everyone needs to pay attention” Obama said, according to a White House pool report. He urged citizens living in Florida, Georgia, South Carolina and North Carolina to listen closely to their local and state leaders and evacuate if asked. |
| Obama said families can rebuild and repair, but “you cannot restore life it is lost.” | Obama said families can rebuild and repair, but “you cannot restore life it is lost.” |
| “I want to emphasize to the public this is a serious storm,” Obama said. “We hope for the best, but we want to prepare for the worst.” | “I want to emphasize to the public this is a serious storm,” Obama said. “We hope for the best, but we want to prepare for the worst.” |
| 10/5/16 11am Hurricane #Matthew update, Hurricane Warnings extended north along Florida's East Coast https://t.co/dy8yioiDqn #FLwx pic.twitter.com/02vJUQy09X | 10/5/16 11am Hurricane #Matthew update, Hurricane Warnings extended north along Florida's East Coast https://t.co/dy8yioiDqn #FLwx pic.twitter.com/02vJUQy09X |
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| Here are a couple good Trump-related features for your lunchtime reading. | Here are a couple good Trump-related features for your lunchtime reading. |
| – Mike Freeman in The Bleacher Report on how “Donald Trump is tearing the NFL apart”: | – Mike Freeman in The Bleacher Report on how “Donald Trump is tearing the NFL apart”: |
| The player, who is black, emphasized that teammates’ frustration with their coach’s public endorsement was not universal. But in private discussions, he said, “Some of the African-American players on the team weren’t happy about Rex doing that.” | The player, who is black, emphasized that teammates’ frustration with their coach’s public endorsement was not universal. But in private discussions, he said, “Some of the African-American players on the team weren’t happy about Rex doing that.” |
| Indeed, said another black player on the Bills who requested anonymity to speak freely about tensions swirling with a combination of protests led by Colin Kaepernick and a combustible candidate: “I see Trump as someone who is hostile to people of color, and the fact that Rex supports him made me look at him completely differently, and not in a positive way.” | Indeed, said another black player on the Bills who requested anonymity to speak freely about tensions swirling with a combination of protests led by Colin Kaepernick and a combustible candidate: “I see Trump as someone who is hostile to people of color, and the fact that Rex supports him made me look at him completely differently, and not in a positive way.” |
| Ryan declined to comment, but at least one white Buffalo player—Richie Incognito, the offensive lineman notorious for a bullying scandal that included racial slurs and who has now become a force in the Bills clubhouse—insists that Trump’s winning message has resonated with NFL players like him. | Ryan declined to comment, but at least one white Buffalo player—Richie Incognito, the offensive lineman notorious for a bullying scandal that included racial slurs and who has now become a force in the Bills clubhouse—insists that Trump’s winning message has resonated with NFL players like him. |
| – Spencer Woodman in Racked on “Trump, China and the ties that bind”: | – Spencer Woodman in Racked on “Trump, China and the ties that bind”: |
| If my reasoning was correct, I had just narrowed down my search for Trump’s factories from the 3.7 million square miles of the People’s Republic of China to just a handful of industrial parks in the obscure necktie capital of the world. [...] | If my reasoning was correct, I had just narrowed down my search for Trump’s factories from the 3.7 million square miles of the People’s Republic of China to just a handful of industrial parks in the obscure necktie capital of the world. [...] |
| Despite the harsh working conditions and long workweeks, many of the Shengzhou workers I spoke with did not have the financial wherewithal to rent their own apartments. Several workers I interviewed instead chose to sleep in bunk bed-packed dormitories paid for by the companies they worked for. [...] | Despite the harsh working conditions and long workweeks, many of the Shengzhou workers I spoke with did not have the financial wherewithal to rent their own apartments. Several workers I interviewed instead chose to sleep in bunk bed-packed dormitories paid for by the companies they worked for. [...] |
| Although the Shengzhou workers stopped short of criticizing the factories outright, they didn’t mince words when I asked them what they enjoyed about their jobs: Nothing, they said. | Although the Shengzhou workers stopped short of criticizing the factories outright, they didn’t mince words when I asked them what they enjoyed about their jobs: Nothing, they said. |
| “The best part of the job?” one repeated my question. “There is no happiness in work.” | “The best part of the job?” one repeated my question. “There is no happiness in work.” |
| (h/t @bencjacobs) | (h/t @bencjacobs) |
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| Sanders says that Trump’s “birther” blather was “a racist effort to undermine the legitimacy of the first African American president in our nation’s history.” | Sanders says that Trump’s “birther” blather was “a racist effort to undermine the legitimacy of the first African American president in our nation’s history.” |
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| Pence: the winner of the debate was... Trump | Pence: the winner of the debate was... Trump |
| Trump running mate Mike Pence has appeared before cameras for the first time since leaving the debate stage last night to declare that the winner in Virginia was Trump: | Trump running mate Mike Pence has appeared before cameras for the first time since leaving the debate stage last night to declare that the winner in Virginia was Trump: |
| HARRISONBURG --PENCE: "From where I sat, Donald Trump won the debate. Donald Trump's vision to 'Make America Great Again' won the debate." | HARRISONBURG --PENCE: "From where I sat, Donald Trump won the debate. Donald Trump's vision to 'Make America Great Again' won the debate." |
| Here’s NBC News’ Vaughn Hillyard: | Here’s NBC News’ Vaughn Hillyard: |
| Mike Pence arrives for his first post-debate bus tour stop in Harrisonburg, Virginia. pic.twitter.com/58Vc8x27xO | Mike Pence arrives for his first post-debate bus tour stop in Harrisonburg, Virginia. pic.twitter.com/58Vc8x27xO |
| Pence continued: Donald called me late last night to congratulate me. Some people think I won. But I’ll leave that to others. | Pence continued: Donald called me late last night to congratulate me. Some people think I won. But I’ll leave that to others. |