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| Malcolm Turnbull consulted his department on solicitor general dispute – politics live | Malcolm Turnbull consulted his department on solicitor general dispute – politics live |
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| Smashing the happiness index. | |
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| Greg Jericho | |
| I promised the fact check on the treasurer’s figures re the deficit. | |
| Scott Morrison told the parliament: | |
| Since this government came to office in 2013, the level of nominal expenditure on payments by the Government which was set out in the 2013 PEFO [Pre Election Fiscal Outlook], the payments by the government for $424.4bn. That was the estimate. The actual amount of payments in the 2016 PEFO was $425bn. This is a government that has ensured we have controlled expenditure. The budget I handed down in May, based on the final outcome figures, will see expenditure as a share of the economy fall. | |
| This from Greg Jericho: | |
| The Treasurer argues that the 2013 Pre-election fiscal outlook predicted “the level of nominal expenditure on payments by the Government for 2015-16 to be $424.4bn and that the “actual amount of payments” for that year was $425bn. | |
| This, he argues, means “this is a government that has ensured we have controlled spending, controlled expenditure.” | |
| It all sounds good until you realize he is playing around with nominal figures. Nominal figures don’t take into account inflation or the increase in the size of the economy. | |
| In the 2013 Pefo, the expected expenditure in 2015-216 was $424.9bn but this was calculated to be 24.6% of GDP. The $425bn that was actually spent in 2015-16 was instead worth 25.8% of GDP (because the economy didn’t grow as fast as they thought it would). | |
| So while in nominal terms the Abbott/Turnbull government had met their target, in terms of percentage of GDP they were out by 1.2% of GDP – or about $19.8bn. | |
| And if Morrison really wants to talk in nominal figures, he should also note that the 2013 Pefo predicted a Budget deficit in 2015-16 of $4.7bn, and it ended up being a deficit of $39.94bn. | |
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| Turnbull has consulted his department on the solicitor general's dispute with Brandis | Turnbull has consulted his department on the solicitor general's dispute with Brandis |
| Labor’s Tony Burke asks Malcolm Turnbull: Has the prime minister sought advice from his department about the current conflict between the attorney-general and the solicitor-general and does the prime minister have confidence in the solicitor-general? | Labor’s Tony Burke asks Malcolm Turnbull: Has the prime minister sought advice from his department about the current conflict between the attorney-general and the solicitor-general and does the prime minister have confidence in the solicitor-general? |
| Turnbull says yes and Brandis and Gleeson have his confidence. | Turnbull says yes and Brandis and Gleeson have his confidence. |
| I can say that I have discussed it with my department and my secretary, indeed, and I have spoken to him about it. The advice we have is that the attorney-general has... consulted with the solicitor-general in the manner he has described in his submissions that he has made, so the attorney-general has my complete confidence. | I can say that I have discussed it with my department and my secretary, indeed, and I have spoken to him about it. The advice we have is that the attorney-general has... consulted with the solicitor-general in the manner he has described in his submissions that he has made, so the attorney-general has my complete confidence. |
| Labor asks, what about the solicitor general? | Labor asks, what about the solicitor general? |
| Absolutely, the solicitor-general has my confidence, too, sure. | Absolutely, the solicitor-general has my confidence, too, sure. |
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| A Dixer to Peter Dutton: will the minister update the house on the importance of Australia’s strong and consistent border protection policies and is the Minister aware of any alternative approaches? | A Dixer to Peter Dutton: will the minister update the house on the importance of Australia’s strong and consistent border protection policies and is the Minister aware of any alternative approaches? |
| Dutton uses it to identify Labor MPs who don’t support the Labor party’s boats policy in full. | Dutton uses it to identify Labor MPs who don’t support the Labor party’s boats policy in full. |
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| Labor to Turnbull: I refer to the member for Warringah’s [Tony Abbott] comments that it’s good to be popular. Given the prime minister’s plebiscite is almost as unpopular as his Government, when will he dump the member for Warringah’s plebiscite and have a free vote on marriage equality? | Labor to Turnbull: I refer to the member for Warringah’s [Tony Abbott] comments that it’s good to be popular. Given the prime minister’s plebiscite is almost as unpopular as his Government, when will he dump the member for Warringah’s plebiscite and have a free vote on marriage equality? |
| Turnbull: | Turnbull: |
| Only a few years ago her leader, the member for Maribyrnong [Shorten], the Leader of the Opposition, advocated a plebiscite in the course of a meeting with the Australian Christian Lobby. He went to see them and told them he supported a plebiscite. | Only a few years ago her leader, the member for Maribyrnong [Shorten], the Leader of the Opposition, advocated a plebiscite in the course of a meeting with the Australian Christian Lobby. He went to see them and told them he supported a plebiscite. |
| Only a year ago the Greens party supported a plebiscite and advocated there should be a plebiscite. The two parties that are steadfastly opposing it in the Senate, or promise that they will,are the Greens and the Labor Party, each of whom has advocated one. | Only a year ago the Greens party supported a plebiscite and advocated there should be a plebiscite. The two parties that are steadfastly opposing it in the Senate, or promise that they will,are the Greens and the Labor Party, each of whom has advocated one. |
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| Agriculture minister Barnaby Joyce gets a question on supporting the dairy industry which segues into an answer on Labor failing to support a 19% backpacker tax. (We don’t have a final position from Labor yet.) | Agriculture minister Barnaby Joyce gets a question on supporting the dairy industry which segues into an answer on Labor failing to support a 19% backpacker tax. (We don’t have a final position from Labor yet.) |
| Joyce says: | Joyce says: |
| I note it is incredibly important that we went into bat for the backpacker industry, the backpacker labour and we have now got a package that comes forward with a 19% tax. This is after consultations with 178 industry groups, welfare groups, unions, labour hire companies and we invited participation for the general community and got over 1,700 submissions. | I note it is incredibly important that we went into bat for the backpacker industry, the backpacker labour and we have now got a package that comes forward with a 19% tax. This is after consultations with 178 industry groups, welfare groups, unions, labour hire companies and we invited participation for the general community and got over 1,700 submissions. |
| ARRGHHHHHH! Having not consulted initially on a 32.5% tax, having cut the tax from 32.5% to 19%, which is an increase from 0%. | ARRGHHHHHH! Having not consulted initially on a 32.5% tax, having cut the tax from 32.5% to 19%, which is an increase from 0%. |
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| Labor’s Mark Butler to Malcolm Turnbull: In July 2011, the Prime Minister said that 100% of stationary energy will need to come from clean sources by the end of the century. Prime Minister, what happened to you? | Labor’s Mark Butler to Malcolm Turnbull: In July 2011, the Prime Minister said that 100% of stationary energy will need to come from clean sources by the end of the century. Prime Minister, what happened to you? |
| Turnbull: | Turnbull: |
| It is a complex business reducing emissions, as we know. The object of government policy is to do so at least cost. The Emissions Reduction Fund has been very successful and we are well on track to meet our 2020 targets, indeed, to beat our 2020 targets.... | It is a complex business reducing emissions, as we know. The object of government policy is to do so at least cost. The Emissions Reduction Fund has been very successful and we are well on track to meet our 2020 targets, indeed, to beat our 2020 targets.... |
| We are [meeting the targets] but in a clear-eyed, hard-headed rational manner. It is not an ideological matter, we are approaching it methodically and effectively. | We are [meeting the targets] but in a clear-eyed, hard-headed rational manner. It is not an ideological matter, we are approaching it methodically and effectively. |