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| Lifetime ban on asylum seekers something Trump would be proud of, says Adam Bandt – politics live | |
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| 12.49am GMT | |
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| OK, a couple of points: | |
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| at 12.52am GMT | |
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| Here is a part of Andrew Wilkie’s speech, in which he rips into Labor, the Liberals and the National party over asylum seeker policy. | |
| He was speaking on the lifetime ban bill for those on Manus and Nauru. | |
| His key message: how about you stop treating asylum seekers as a political problem and start treating them like human beings? | |
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| at 12.51am GMT | |
| 12.26am GMT | |
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| Greens MP Adam Bandt says a bill to ban those on Manus and Nauru from Australia for life was a bill “Donald Trump would be proud of”. | |
| 12.03am GMT | 12.03am GMT |
| 00:03 | 00:03 |
| Andrew Wilkie: treatment of asylum seekers will be considered like the Stolen Generation by future Australians | Andrew Wilkie: treatment of asylum seekers will be considered like the Stolen Generation by future Australians |
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| at 12.04am GMT | at 12.04am GMT |
| 11.52pm GMT | 11.52pm GMT |
| 23:52 | 23:52 |
| Andrew Wilkie, Cathy McGowan and Adam Bandt speak out again refugee lifetime ban bill | Andrew Wilkie, Cathy McGowan and Adam Bandt speak out again refugee lifetime ban bill |
| Over in the lower house, the chamber is debating the lifetime ban on refugees. Labor has already said it would oppose the bill and we have seen a range of Labor speakers denouncing it. | Over in the lower house, the chamber is debating the lifetime ban on refugees. Labor has already said it would oppose the bill and we have seen a range of Labor speakers denouncing it. |
| Denison independent, Andrew Wilkie, is speaking about the bill that would ban people on Manus and Nauru ever coming to Australia again once they are settled in another country. | Denison independent, Andrew Wilkie, is speaking about the bill that would ban people on Manus and Nauru ever coming to Australia again once they are settled in another country. |
| He says in the future, people will talk about Australia’s treatment of asylum seekers like they do of the stolen generations, the Indigenous children forcibly removed from their families. | He says in the future, people will talk about Australia’s treatment of asylum seekers like they do of the stolen generations, the Indigenous children forcibly removed from their families. |
| Wilkie says the handwringing about people drowning – and the need for tough boat policies – is rubbish. | Wilkie says the handwringing about people drowning – and the need for tough boat policies – is rubbish. |
| He says the major-party MPs are happy to play politics with the lives of people, happy to pander to the bigots and xenophobes in the community. | He says the major-party MPs are happy to play politics with the lives of people, happy to pander to the bigots and xenophobes in the community. |
| He is moving an amendment with the Indi independent, Cathy McGowan, to stop the bill for a lifetime ban and create a compassionate response. | He is moving an amendment with the Indi independent, Cathy McGowan, to stop the bill for a lifetime ban and create a compassionate response. |
| You are both peas in the pod, you are both as bad as each other. | You are both peas in the pod, you are both as bad as each other. |
| If you started acting like leaders it might actually work in your self interest, yells Wilkie across the chamber. That’s why people are voting for minor parties and independents. | If you started acting like leaders it might actually work in your self interest, yells Wilkie across the chamber. That’s why people are voting for minor parties and independents. |
| Cathy McGowan is not allowed to speak because she has already spoken on the bill and she is not “given leave” by the majors. | Cathy McGowan is not allowed to speak because she has already spoken on the bill and she is not “given leave” by the majors. |
| But this is a bit of what she said earlier in a statement. She says Indi voters have given her an overwhelmingly message that Australia should do better on asylum seekers. The proposed legislation failed the “principle” test of good legislation and the test of equality. | But this is a bit of what she said earlier in a statement. She says Indi voters have given her an overwhelmingly message that Australia should do better on asylum seekers. The proposed legislation failed the “principle” test of good legislation and the test of equality. |
| A local Indi business owner summed up the sentiment of my electorate: ‘I find this new policy appalling. We are a better society than this. I cannot believe this policy will succeed’. | A local Indi business owner summed up the sentiment of my electorate: ‘I find this new policy appalling. We are a better society than this. I cannot believe this policy will succeed’. |
| It fails the test of being able to be administered or delivered or enforced. It is based on fear. Its focus is to create a deterrent and punishment without a balance of reward, rehabilitation, against a long-term humanitarian approach. | It fails the test of being able to be administered or delivered or enforced. It is based on fear. Its focus is to create a deterrent and punishment without a balance of reward, rehabilitation, against a long-term humanitarian approach. |
| I call on the government to outline a plan for migration policy in this country. How can we bring more compassion into government policy without encouraging the false hope pedalled by those who prey on the vulnerable and desperate? | I call on the government to outline a plan for migration policy in this country. How can we bring more compassion into government policy without encouraging the false hope pedalled by those who prey on the vulnerable and desperate? |
| Any response will require a genuinely regional solution involving most, if not all south-east Asian countries, including Australia and New Zealand. Any solution must involve the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees. | Any response will require a genuinely regional solution involving most, if not all south-east Asian countries, including Australia and New Zealand. Any solution must involve the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees. |
| Pope Francis says the best antidote to fear is mercy: ‘Mercy and courage are needed to respond to the huge wave of refugees, migrants and displaced people all over the world.’ And I agree with him. | Pope Francis says the best antidote to fear is mercy: ‘Mercy and courage are needed to respond to the huge wave of refugees, migrants and displaced people all over the world.’ And I agree with him. |
| Given the government has the numbers in the lower house, the amendment will not pass unless all crossbenchers support the bill and two government MPs cross the floor. | Given the government has the numbers in the lower house, the amendment will not pass unless all crossbenchers support the bill and two government MPs cross the floor. |
| Unlikely. | Unlikely. |
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| at 12.10am GMT | at 12.10am GMT |
| 11.30pm GMT | 11.30pm GMT |
| 23:30 | 23:30 |
| Barnaby Joyce was also asked about his own comments on Trump’s policies. | Barnaby Joyce was also asked about his own comments on Trump’s policies. |
| Q: You did say some of Donald Trump’s policies were nasty. Do you stand by those comments? | Q: You did say some of Donald Trump’s policies were nasty. Do you stand by those comments? |
| People have a right to talk about policy. That’s what politicians do – they discuss policies. But you must remove yourself from an argument approach and talking about personalities. Leave that to the United States. | People have a right to talk about policy. That’s what politicians do – they discuss policies. But you must remove yourself from an argument approach and talking about personalities. Leave that to the United States. |
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| at 11.47pm GMT | at 11.47pm GMT |
| 11.27pm GMT | 11.27pm GMT |
| 23:27 | 23:27 |
| The Nats are the obvious party challenged by One Nation in the Brexit-Trump axis, not to mention Labor on the city fringes. Barnaby Joyce is asked if he is worried about it. | The Nats are the obvious party challenged by One Nation in the Brexit-Trump axis, not to mention Labor on the city fringes. Barnaby Joyce is asked if he is worried about it. |
| He says the National party have the highest number of ministers in cabinet since Arthur Fadden, a Country party leader and briefly prime minister in 1941. (I will try to check the numbers on this shortly.) But Joyce also has some philosophical points about his constituency. This is the stuff he is good at, IMO. If you get hot under the collar about this statement, dear reader – you are not the people he is talking to here. | He says the National party have the highest number of ministers in cabinet since Arthur Fadden, a Country party leader and briefly prime minister in 1941. (I will try to check the numbers on this shortly.) But Joyce also has some philosophical points about his constituency. This is the stuff he is good at, IMO. If you get hot under the collar about this statement, dear reader – you are not the people he is talking to here. |
| Brand Barnaby. | Brand Barnaby. |
| We have now the largest number of cabinet ministers since Arty Fadden was the leader. We are actually building the party back up. | We have now the largest number of cabinet ministers since Arty Fadden was the leader. We are actually building the party back up. |
| I was always having a yarn with Fiona, my deputy, my friend, guide and colleague, and said: “When we started, all they used to talk about was closing the National party down, now we are in the ascendancy again and growing again.” | I was always having a yarn with Fiona, my deputy, my friend, guide and colleague, and said: “When we started, all they used to talk about was closing the National party down, now we are in the ascendancy again and growing again.” |
| We do that by working hard on the ground. We never take our people for granted. We make sure we are Friday night pub, Saturday CWA, get out, talk to the people, stay humble. Listen to their concerns and do your very best down here to convey them. We don’t want to be the party of high colour, we want to be the party of hard work. That’s precisely what we do. | We do that by working hard on the ground. We never take our people for granted. We make sure we are Friday night pub, Saturday CWA, get out, talk to the people, stay humble. Listen to their concerns and do your very best down here to convey them. We don’t want to be the party of high colour, we want to be the party of hard work. That’s precisely what we do. |
| Updated | Updated |
| at 11.48pm GMT | at 11.48pm GMT |
| 11.16pm GMT | 11.16pm GMT |
| 23:16 | 23:16 |
| Barnaby Joyce: I'm not a God botherer but cheers to Pence for bringing in the Christians | Barnaby Joyce: I'm not a God botherer but cheers to Pence for bringing in the Christians |
| Barnaby Joyce says the vice-president elect Mike Pence did a great job. He has an affinity – as a fellow deputy. | Barnaby Joyce says the vice-president elect Mike Pence did a great job. He has an affinity – as a fellow deputy. |
| He was always a strong reason where a large constituency in the United States was attracted to the Republican vote. They were attracted to that Republican vote because of his strong belief, especially to be quite frank, his Christian values. I’m not a God botherer, I’m just a little old boy from the bush but you have to acknowledge that the work that vice president-elect Mike Pence did and I think it is only fit and proper that I acknowledge him in his new role. | He was always a strong reason where a large constituency in the United States was attracted to the Republican vote. They were attracted to that Republican vote because of his strong belief, especially to be quite frank, his Christian values. I’m not a God botherer, I’m just a little old boy from the bush but you have to acknowledge that the work that vice president-elect Mike Pence did and I think it is only fit and proper that I acknowledge him in his new role. |
| Updated | Updated |
| at 11.22pm GMT | at 11.22pm GMT |
| 11.12pm GMT | 11.12pm GMT |
| 23:12 | 23:12 |
| Barnaby Joyce says it doesn’t look good for the Trans-Pacific Partnership. | Barnaby Joyce says it doesn’t look good for the Trans-Pacific Partnership. |
| In the absence of the TPP, Joyce says the government will continue to push for bilateral deals. | In the absence of the TPP, Joyce says the government will continue to push for bilateral deals. |
| Joyce is not worried about the Trump victory. He would be more worried if it didn’t rain. | Joyce is not worried about the Trump victory. He would be more worried if it didn’t rain. |
| The one thing you should never do in any country – we don’t like people telling us how our country runs. In fact, we really look poorly on it. Of course we should not be telling another country how their own democratic process runs. They had their own reasons of why they vote. It is a democracy. The result is in. | The one thing you should never do in any country – we don’t like people telling us how our country runs. In fact, we really look poorly on it. Of course we should not be telling another country how their own democratic process runs. They had their own reasons of why they vote. It is a democracy. The result is in. |
| Updated | Updated |
| at 11.22pm GMT | at 11.22pm GMT |
| 11.10pm GMT | 11.10pm GMT |
| 23:10 | 23:10 |
| Barnaby: "Dropkick" not so good. Josh knows it. | Barnaby: "Dropkick" not so good. Josh knows it. |
| Barnaby Joyce says Josh Frydenberg understands he stuffed up by calling Trump a dropkick. | Barnaby Joyce says Josh Frydenberg understands he stuffed up by calling Trump a dropkick. |
| I think minister Frydenberg is understanding, I don’t know if he made a statement, he understands that was not helpful. | I think minister Frydenberg is understanding, I don’t know if he made a statement, he understands that was not helpful. |
| 11.07pm GMT | 11.07pm GMT |
| 23:07 | 23:07 |
| Deputy prime minister Barnaby Joyce is speaking on the Trump win. | Deputy prime minister Barnaby Joyce is speaking on the Trump win. |
| This is going to be a time where the dust settles. At this point in time, President Barack Obama remains in office until 20 January. I am absolutely certain that, noting the incredible gravitas of the office, that both President-elect Trump and vice president-elect Pence will be making absolutely certain as they have stated, they will be looking after the American people and guiding them safely into the transition to the new order of government. | This is going to be a time where the dust settles. At this point in time, President Barack Obama remains in office until 20 January. I am absolutely certain that, noting the incredible gravitas of the office, that both President-elect Trump and vice president-elect Pence will be making absolutely certain as they have stated, they will be looking after the American people and guiding them safely into the transition to the new order of government. |
| Updated | Updated |
| at 11.12pm GMT | at 11.12pm GMT |
| 10.55pm GMT | 10.55pm GMT |
| 22:55 | 22:55 |
| Reality Check. | Reality Check. |
| So the final numbers for #ElectionDay are:231,556,622 eligible voters46.9% didn't vote25.6% voted Clinton25.5% voted TrumpWow. | So the final numbers for #ElectionDay are:231,556,622 eligible voters46.9% didn't vote25.6% voted Clinton25.5% voted TrumpWow. |
| 10.49pm GMT | 10.49pm GMT |
| 22:49 | 22:49 |
| Guardian front page, Thursday 10 November 2016: Trump wins. Now the world waits pic.twitter.com/3BqJZ9lOnF | Guardian front page, Thursday 10 November 2016: Trump wins. Now the world waits pic.twitter.com/3BqJZ9lOnF |
| 10.25pm GMT | 10.25pm GMT |
| 22:25 | 22:25 |
| Malcolm Roberts from One Nation is celebrating the Trump victory- "we see this as a wonderful opportunity to restore freedom" #auspol pic.twitter.com/pAKXRF9Doe | Malcolm Roberts from One Nation is celebrating the Trump victory- "we see this as a wonderful opportunity to restore freedom" #auspol pic.twitter.com/pAKXRF9Doe |
| 10.19pm GMT | 10.19pm GMT |
| 22:19 | 22:19 |
| Housekeeping. | Housekeeping. |
| The Senate and the lower house are sitting at 9.30 | The Senate and the lower house are sitting at 9.30 |
| In the House, the substantive debate will be around: | In the House, the substantive debate will be around: |
| Updated | Updated |
| at 10.28pm GMT | at 10.28pm GMT |