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Senate votes down 15% backpacker tax after passing ABCC bill – politics live Senate votes down 15% backpacker tax after passing ABCC bill – politics live
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Just to my last point, Rod Culleton made the final point lest you think he was not independent on his leader.
There’s no nose ring. No one is going to lead me around.
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One Nation senator Rod Culleton says he never supports more costs for farmers because he is one. He avoids the question of whether he told Pauline Hanson specifically that he was going to vote against the 15% proposed by her.
Everything is on the table until the vote is in the chamber.
Culleton says the amended backpacker tax is back in the government’s court. He says the tax cannot be set at 15%.
My disappointment is with the Nationals who should be out there protecting farmers which clearly they are not.
Rod Culleton is essentially an independent. Government has to negotiate with Hanson and Culleton separately.
.@NationalFarmers: "We're absolutely frustrated, disapointed and can't believe this insanity continues." Re #backpackertax @abcnews #auspol
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Just back to the Labor press conference on the backpackers tax.
Joel Fitzgibbon has foreshadowed the Coalition attack on Labor. Indeed the finance minister, Mathias Cormann, has already accused Labor of forcing the tax rate to 32.5%.
This will happen if no resolution happens.
Labor says the government should just accept the will of the parliament and set the rate at 10.5% – Jacqui Lambie’s original proposal.
The government has already said they will not accept that rate.
Anthony Albanese makes the point that as government leader in the lower house in the Gillard-Rudd government he had a hung parliament to deal with on every bit of legislation. Get over it, he says.
Albanese uses the example of when One Nation thought they had a deal on the five-year freeze on the passenger movement charge, only to find out the legislation could not be binding.
[The Coalition] couldn’t keep their word on the floor of the parliament for 15 minutes. They then know that that was a con because it’s been said by everyone, including the speaker of the House, that that is not actually binding.
Now, I managed a parliament where 70 votes out of 150, without losing a vote on a piece of legislation, and I did it by treating crossbenchers with respect, by not lying to them, by not conning them, by engaging in proper, good faith discussions.
This government thinks it is smart when they try and con crossbenchers and then they wonder why it comes back to bite them.
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Bowers’ ScoMo magic.
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Backpackers vote: things fall apart
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Derryn Hinch: I'm not on anyone's side, I'm an independent.
Derryn Hinch is justifying his move down from 19% to 15% to 10.5%.
Right now I am 10.5%.
He tells Sky the ball is now in the government court.
Right now I am sticking to my guns.
He says government senators said, “But you’re on our side.”
I told them I am not on anyone’s side. I am an independent.
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Chris Bowen, Anthony Albanese and Joel Fitzgibbon are speaking about the backpacker tax rate.Chris Bowen, Anthony Albanese and Joel Fitzgibbon are speaking about the backpacker tax rate.
Bowen:Bowen:
A few moments ago, the Senate voted against a backpacker tax rate of 15%and voted for a backpacker tax rate of 10.5%. It’s also important to remember how we got here. . We gothere because of the Government’s lack of consultation. A few moments ago, the Senate voted against a backpacker tax rate of 15% and voted for a backpacker tax rate of 10.5%. It’s also important to remember how we got here. We got here because of the government’s lack of consultation.
We got here because of the government’s arrogance. Again on Monday, Scott Morrison and I quote in a very immature contribution, said “the LaborParty can go jump.” We got here because of the government’s arrogance. Again on Monday, Scott Morrison, and I quote, in a very immature contribution said, “The Labor party can go jump”.
He wasn’t interested in talking to the Labor Party about a sensible solution, wasn’t interested in a sensible bipartisan consensus. He wasn’t interested in talking to the Labor party about a sensible solution, wasn’t interested in a sensible bipartisan consensus.
He said, “the Labor Party can go jump. We don’t need the Labor Party to get this sorted.” He said, “The Labor party can go jump. We don’t need the Labor party to get this sorted.”
Well, that has been shown now to be utterly untrue. The solution here is very simple: Scott Morrison should swallow his pride.Well, that has been shown now to be utterly untrue. The solution here is very simple: Scott Morrison should swallow his pride.
He should walk into the house of representatives this afternoon and accept the will of the Parliament that the backpacker tax rate should be 10.5% to make it competitive with New Zealand. He should walk into the house of representatives this afternoon and accept the will of the parliament that the backpacker tax rate should be 10.5% to make it competitive with New Zealand.
The solution is right there before the government. If they could put aside their arrogance and incompetence for a moment and accept the solution of 10.5%, then Australia’s farmers, horticulturalists, growers and the tourism sector could get the certainty they need. The solution is right there before the government. If they could put aside their arrogance and incompetence for a moment and accept the solution of 10.5% then Australia’s farmers, horticulturalists, growers and the tourism sector could get the certainty they need.
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Pride comes before... Pride comes before ...
a fall.a fall.
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Just briefly, there is some confusion on the ABCC bill vote.Just briefly, there is some confusion on the ABCC bill vote.
Following the demise of Bob Day, the government needs eight of the 10 crossbenchers to pass legislation.Following the demise of Bob Day, the government needs eight of the 10 crossbenchers to pass legislation.
The ABCC bill passed with support ofThe ABCC bill passed with support of
Opposed were:Opposed were:
But the vote was 36-33, I hear you cry?But the vote was 36-33, I hear you cry?
There were three pairs - which means both sides agreed to three people on each side being out of the chamber.There were three pairs - which means both sides agreed to three people on each side being out of the chamber.
Government votes are 39 - 3 pairs = 36Government votes are 39 - 3 pairs = 36
Labor votes are 36 - 3 pairs = 33.Labor votes are 36 - 3 pairs = 33.
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The Senate moves on to the vocational education and training loans bills.The Senate moves on to the vocational education and training loans bills.
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Passenger movement charge increase from $55 to $60 passes the Senate 33-32.Passenger movement charge increase from $55 to $60 passes the Senate 33-32.
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And my ABC friend and rural affairs reporter:And my ABC friend and rural affairs reporter:
So.Do we have a #backpackertax resolution?No.#auspolSo.Do we have a #backpackertax resolution?No.#auspol
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Just on the 10.5% rate, my Weekly Times friend notes:Just on the 10.5% rate, my Weekly Times friend notes:
Hinch has sided with Labor - after consistently stating he backed 19 per cent, then 15 per cent #auspol #backpackertaxHinch has sided with Labor - after consistently stating he backed 19 per cent, then 15 per cent #auspol #backpackertax
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Senate now voting on the $5 increase on the passenger movement charge designed to pay for the backpacker tax changes.
Will we see another cunning ploy?
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Cormann says Labor will wear backpacker tax like "a rose of crowns". Think that should be "crown of thorns". #auspol
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Mathias Cormann says Labor and the crossbenchers have hurt farmers
So to be clear, now Labor and crossbenchers have supported a 10.5% backpacker tax rate.
It has succeeded in the senate.
Finance minister Mathias Cormann says the government will not confirm 10.5% in the lower house so the tax will revert to 32.4%.
He characterises the Labor move as a “cunning ploy”.
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Government is defeated on 15% backpacker tax, Labor amends back to 10.5%
The Senate has just voted 35-32 to support Labor’s proposed Backpackers tax of 10.5%
In favour were:
This rejects the 15% agreed between the Govt and Hanson and reinstates the 10.5% agreed by the Senate last week.
11.58pm GMT
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If successful, the tax would go to 10.5%, against the wishes of the lower house. Which would mean it would punt back down to the House.
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So Labor effectively trying to reverse the Pauline Hanson deal for 15%.
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Senate is voting on the Labor amendment to set the backpackers tax at 10.5%, as agreed to by the Senate last week.
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Re backpackers, this is interesting from a former immigration department policy dude.
Postcode with most backpackers working for 2nd visa in '15-16? Bundaberg Postcode in Oz with most Newstart recipients at June '16? Bundaberg
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The Greens are trying to amend the backpacker savings measure, which taxes backpackers’ superannuation at 95% when they leave the country.
Peter Whish-Wilson says that will ensure the tax rate really is 15% instead of 24% (given the government is taking all of the backpackers’ superannuation).
I am not really clear how they can amend the superannuation measure which already passed last week ...
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Senate begins debate on the backpacker tax
And the Senate is on to the backpacker tax to 15%.
The Greens senator Peter Whish-Wilson leads the debate.
This bill before us is bad policy.
He says it is not a reduction in the tax rate from 32.5% because, effectively, most backpackers were claiming resident status, which means they were paying no tax (because of the tax-free threshold).
These are some of the lowest-paid workers in Australia that fulfil an important role for industry.
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