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Coalition party room debates removal of 'insult' and 'offend' from 18C - politics live Coalition party room debates removal of 'insult' and 'offend' from 18C - politics live
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Eric Abetz is cockahoop about the planned changes to 18C.
He is reminding all the Johnny-come-latelys to free speech that he has been a long-time advocate of reforming section 18C.
Abetz says he advocated for change dating as far back as 2011 and announced in 2015 that he would cross the floor on the issue.
These common-sense reforms will go a long way to ensuring that Australians can engage in free speech while maintaining protections against racially motivated harassment and intimidation.”
I am also pleased that the Government will rein in the Australian Human Rights Commission which has morphed into self-appointed thought police.”
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OK more briefings from joint party room.
According to another MP, Barnaby Joyce’s speech suggested that amending 18C was not a priority for the government. That sounds more like his public stance, that people are not raising this with him.
Amongst the Libs, the debate consisted of those in more ethnically diverse seats raising concerns including:
David Coleman (Banks, NSW)
Craig Laundy (Reid, NSW)
Julian Leeser (Berowra, NSW)
Julia Banks (Chisholm, Victoria)
And also Russell Broadbent (McMillan, Victoria) who is in a regional seat.
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Here is Homebush West public school in Liberal MP Craig Laundy’s seat of Reid, via the state member Labor member Jodi McKay.Here is Homebush West public school in Liberal MP Craig Laundy’s seat of Reid, via the state member Labor member Jodi McKay.
Harmony Day at Homebush West Public School - I ❤️ my multicultural community.Harmony Day at Homebush West Public School - I ❤️ my multicultural community.
A post shared by Jodi McKay MP (@jodimckaymp) on Mar 20, 2017 at 3:59pm PDTA post shared by Jodi McKay MP (@jodimckaymp) on Mar 20, 2017 at 3:59pm PDT
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18C revolt sounds muted in Lib party room. MPs say "Usual suspects" Lesser Craig Laundy Coleman Alexander but otherwise strongly supported18C revolt sounds muted in Lib party room. MPs say "Usual suspects" Lesser Craig Laundy Coleman Alexander but otherwise strongly supported
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If the Coalition has little chance of getting the 18C amendments through the Senate, this is all academic and the government will have to live with changes to Human Rights Commission process as the Liberal moderates have been saying all along.If the Coalition has little chance of getting the 18C amendments through the Senate, this is all academic and the government will have to live with changes to Human Rights Commission process as the Liberal moderates have been saying all along.
In the meantime, as Joyce said, a fair proportion of voters will be mightily cranky about the debate.In the meantime, as Joyce said, a fair proportion of voters will be mightily cranky about the debate.
An incredible strategy, if you think about it.An incredible strategy, if you think about it.
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Senate numbers and 18CSenate numbers and 18C
Let’s revise the Senate numbers again in the frame of the 18C debate.Let’s revise the Senate numbers again in the frame of the 18C debate.
The Senate normally has 76 seatsThe Senate normally has 76 seats
There are currently 75 due to the vacancy of Family First Bob Day.There are currently 75 due to the vacancy of Family First Bob Day.
The majority required for legislation under those circumstances is 38.The majority required for legislation under those circumstances is 38.
These are the numbers:These are the numbers:
Coalition 29Coalition 29
ALP 26ALP 26
Greens 9Greens 9
Pauline Hanson 4 (even though Cullen’s replacement Peter Georgiou is yet to sit, he is paired)Pauline Hanson 4 (even though Cullen’s replacement Peter Georgiou is yet to sit, he is paired)
Nick Xenophon 3Nick Xenophon 3
Jacqui LambieJacqui Lambie
Derryn HinchDerryn Hinch
David LeyonhjelmDavid Leyonhjelm
Cory BernardiCory Bernardi
If Labor and the Greens oppose any legislation, the government needs both Hanson and Xenophon and two of the four single senators.If Labor and the Greens oppose any legislation, the government needs both Hanson and Xenophon and two of the four single senators.
Xenophon has said many times that he might consider procedural changes to the Human Rights Commission so give that a try first. He told the ABC today:Xenophon has said many times that he might consider procedural changes to the Human Rights Commission so give that a try first. He told the ABC today:
Let’s improve the processes. Let’s get rid of those frivolous and some would say vexatious claims by improving the process and then we can then look down the track, if there are still problems in respect of the wording.Let’s improve the processes. Let’s get rid of those frivolous and some would say vexatious claims by improving the process and then we can then look down the track, if there are still problems in respect of the wording.
But there is strong feedback from communities, from a whole range of ethnic communities, from the Jewish communities, Islamic communities around the country are saying “keep it as it is”. But reforming the process seems to be the priority.But there is strong feedback from communities, from a whole range of ethnic communities, from the Jewish communities, Islamic communities around the country are saying “keep it as it is”. But reforming the process seems to be the priority.
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So the National party are pulling up the Liberal party on race issues. This is no mean feat for Barnaby Joyce, given the threat the National party faces from One Nation in rural and regional areas. As Liberal conservatives have been pointing their spears in recent weeks, Joyce has been reminding all and sundry that this is not the stuff they are talking about in farm sheds in north Queensland.So the National party are pulling up the Liberal party on race issues. This is no mean feat for Barnaby Joyce, given the threat the National party faces from One Nation in rural and regional areas. As Liberal conservatives have been pointing their spears in recent weeks, Joyce has been reminding all and sundry that this is not the stuff they are talking about in farm sheds in north Queensland.
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Meanwhile deputy prime minister Barnaby Joyce has told the joint party room the move to amend 18C is really dumb and it will lose the Coalition votes.Meanwhile deputy prime minister Barnaby Joyce has told the joint party room the move to amend 18C is really dumb and it will lose the Coalition votes.
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Remembering that Tony Abbott had dropped the changes, Abbott could not bring himself to give a fulsome congrats to Turnbull. He suggested circumstances had changed to essentially make it easier for Malcolm.Remembering that Tony Abbott had dropped the changes, Abbott could not bring himself to give a fulsome congrats to Turnbull. He suggested circumstances had changed to essentially make it easier for Malcolm.
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The Coalition party room meeting continues but I have confirmed Tony Abbott has congratulated Malcolm Turnbull for moving on amending 18C.The Coalition party room meeting continues but I have confirmed Tony Abbott has congratulated Malcolm Turnbull for moving on amending 18C.
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The Matt Hatter picks up on the broken promise point regarding 18C (no plans to change) and marriage plebiscite.The Matt Hatter picks up on the broken promise point regarding 18C (no plans to change) and marriage plebiscite.
@gabriellechan 🗻Hi🌅 No parlt'y vote on gay marriage as the govt said it wouldn't, but 18c can be changed as the govt said it wouldn't. Goodo pic.twitter.com/ed65VE2XnO@gabriellechan 🗻Hi🌅 No parlt'y vote on gay marriage as the govt said it wouldn't, but 18c can be changed as the govt said it wouldn't. Goodo pic.twitter.com/ed65VE2XnO
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Guardian Essential’s latest survey has also found that 75% of Australians polled like a gas reservation policy. Katharine Murphy reports:Guardian Essential’s latest survey has also found that 75% of Australians polled like a gas reservation policy. Katharine Murphy reports:
An overwhelming majority of voters would support the Turnbull government if it implemented a reservation policy where a percentage of Australian gas is held back from being exported and quarantined for domestic use.An overwhelming majority of voters would support the Turnbull government if it implemented a reservation policy where a percentage of Australian gas is held back from being exported and quarantined for domestic use.
The latest Guardian Essential poll shows 75% of the survey supports a reservation policy, with the strongest support registered among Coalition voters.The latest Guardian Essential poll shows 75% of the survey supports a reservation policy, with the strongest support registered among Coalition voters.
The federal resources and energy ministers have, until very recently, expressed public opposition to a reservation policy, but that opposition has softened in recent weeks as concerns have escalated about looming energy shortages because of insufficient supplies of gas.The federal resources and energy ministers have, until very recently, expressed public opposition to a reservation policy, but that opposition has softened in recent weeks as concerns have escalated about looming energy shortages because of insufficient supplies of gas.
(You could have knocked me down with a feather.)(You could have knocked me down with a feather.)