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Spirits run high as energy debate dominates question time – politics live Spirits run high as energy debate dominates question time – politics live
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Christian Porter takes a question on the energy supplement for carers asked to Malcolm Turnbull and manages to get Sam Dastyari into his answer. As you read this, please be advised there is a Chinese delegation sitting in the gallery, as welcomed by Tony Smith, who found this exchange quite interesting, given the amount of chatter which started up among them.
Was the Labor’s fiscal plan saving the supplement, banking it and spending it? Absolutely. What the member for Jagajaga does is gets up here and criticises the government for making a savings measure which they have made, which they have banked and which they have already spent. And in the process of doing so, the member for Jagajaga criticises the fact that the Energy Guarantee has the capacity to deliver a savings in 2020 each year of up to $115 a week. Now - a year -a year. The criticism of that is that - the criticism of that is it is not enough, Mr Speaker. In fact, Senator Dastyari tried to make that criticism today with a cheeseburger. I understand he was more of a Chinese food aficionado, but hear,hear! $115 a year is a potential saving to Australian households, it is actually significant. It might not be significant to members opposite who prefer Chinese food but a potential $115 a year saving is very significant. It is absolutely significant when you compare it to the potential cost increases for the average electricity bill that are going to occur if you try and put$66 billion worth of taxpayers’ money into subsidising renewables which members opposite also say don’t...”
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It might be prudent to point out that a Queensland election is expected to be called at any moment and Katter’s Australia Party is fighting One Nation off in its two Queensland electorates as I post this photo.
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Tanya Plibersek has the call and she asks Malcolm Turnbull about the promised drop in power prices made before coming to office, where “the Liberals promised Australians their power bills would drop by $550 a year. They didn’t.”
Scott Morrison has A LOT to say about this, but is hushed by the Speaker. Plibersek picks up where she left off, asking about the “lousy 50 cents a week in three years’ time. Why would the Australian people believe anything this prime minister says about energy prices?”
Malcolm Turnbull decides to rest his voice; Josh Frydenberg takes the floor.
“Well, Mr Speaker, I thank the member for her question. And I can read from an ACCC report,” he begins.
(“Well done, Josh,” yells a Labor MP.)
“I can read from an ACCC report which says about the abolition of the carbon tax the commonwealth treasuries estimated$550 cost saving to households is reasonable, Mr Speaker,” Frydenberg says.
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Barnaby Joyce gets his daily dose of dixer and picks up from yesterday with his attack on basket weavers, but unfortunately there is no update on Moonbeam and Dewdrop from the Manic Monkey Cafe, but we do get a history lesson:
And I want to quote someone from the Labor party who was talking about that Gladstone coal-fired power station. This member said this: “Naturally the Australian Labor party welcomes the commonwealth participation in the provision of electricity in central Queensland, which is an area where power has been hardest to come by and is the most expensive in Australia.”
That member for the Labor party later went on to say about this: “The only problem he has with the coal-fired power is the advance was not a grant.”
Who was that member of the Labor party? Who could that be? Who could that be? I will take the interjection that said Mark Latham. Edward Gough Whitlam. Hasn’t the apple fallen a long way from the tree? The apple has gone all the way from central Queensland ... the basket weavers now run this – I can say to them, men and women ofAustralia, if you want to play, $66,000m then vote ... [Labor].
Some might think technologies have moved on since Whitlam’s time, but it’s good to have Joyce let those people know they are wrong.
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Malcolm Turnbull is up again and being asked by Bill Shorten about the guarantee part of the national energy guarantee: just now the prime minister confirmed that his lousy 50 cent savings are only likely. Doesn’t this make a mockery of the prime minister’s so-called guarantee?”
I can ... understand the way in which the leader of the opposition is squirming on this issue. I can understand his embarrassment, having called for bipartisanship, having called for us to listen to experts, having support of the establishment of the Energy Security Board, then when these independent experts, authorities in the field give an advice that doesn’t suit him politically, he wants to attack them personally. He wants to challenge their integrity.
Yesterday, Mr Speaker, he was having a go at the integrity of the Energy Security Board. Muttering to himself, oh he was, I could hear him, muttering away to himself, talking to himself – that may well have been the case – you will get an attentive audience when he does that(!)
What we have is the advice from the Energy Security Board that will deliver affordable and reliable power. What it does is ensure that the energy market operator will not have to be as she is every other weekend intervening in the South Australian energy market calling on expensive gas-fired generation to keep the lights on because there is not enough dispatchable power in the South Australian market. What this will do is ensure that we have reliable power, that is affordable power and that we meet our emissions reduction obligations under the Paris agreement.
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Bob Katter has stormed out of the chamber after he didn’t get to ask his whole question, because he ran out of time.
Here is out it went down:
Katter:
Prime minister, electricity prices in Victoria, Queensland and South Australia in the 13 years, 1989 to 2002, rose from $650 to $780, $113 in 13 years. In 2002 all pricing was done by free open market operations and the industry privatised. In the next 13 years, the price skyrockets from $810 to $2,130. A $1,300 increase. Clearly, the prime minister ...
The Speaker, Tony Smith:
The member for Kennedy will resume his seat. We will take that as a 45-second statement. We will go to the member for Chisholm.
Insert blow-up. While Katter yells that he is being “shut up” because the government doesn’t want to hear what he has to say, a comment which gets a round of applause from a gentleman in the public gallery which is not picked up by anyone else, Smith decides he has had enough.
The member for Kennedy has been asked to resume his ... The member for Kennedy will resume his seat. There was no question. There was no question. The member for Kennedy will resume his seat. The member for Kennedy will not reflect on the chair. The member for Kennedy, unlike members of the opposition, has additional time to ask a question. Special rules have been put in place to allow 45 seconds. And they were put in place principally for him. And there was 45 seconds of quotes and statements without a question. This is question time and I’m not going to be lectured by the member for Kennedy. The member for Chisholm has the call.
Katter tries to make a point of order, but he is ignored and then takes the parliamentary equivalent of picking up his bat and ball and walking home, by collecting his papers and storming out of the chamber.
And that just made filing from inside the chamber worth it, despite the neck strain.
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Meanwhile, in the Senate:
Peter Whish-WIlson just called George Brandis "senator Brand-Arse" then apologised saying "that's just how I pronounce it" #auspol #SenateQT
For context, that is over Brandis’s insistence on pronouncing Richard Di Natale’s name with his own special inflections.
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Malcom Turnbull returns to answer a Bill Shorten question on whether or not Kerry Schott, talking to Lateline overnight, was correct when she said: “I don’t think anybody can guarantee a price reduction.”
This is taken as an attack on Schott. Because of course it is.
Kerry Shott is one of our nation’s greatest public servants, energy experts, economists, mathematicians, and what she said on Lateline is absolutely correct and what honourable members opposite know is the case.
The fact of the matter is this: As she said, and as we know,there are many impacts on a household’s electricity bill. Wholesale prices are one important factor. But there’s also the matter of the price of fuel, which is not affected by this policy. The price of gas.
What did Labor do to gas? They sent the price through the roof. What have we done? We have brought the price of gas down by ensuring that Australians are protected and they get the gas they need.
Another big factor, too, is the cost of networks. That is not affected by the energy guarantee, it is a separate issue. That is being attacked by the abolition of the limited merits review, now through the parliament.
The reality is, as Rod Sims has said, as Kerry Schott has said, as we all know, except those in this parallel universe of ideology and political stupidity opposite, what we all know is that energy prices are affected by many measures.
This national energy guarantee will deliver lower wholesale prices than any alternative and that’s what Australians need, reliability, affordability and responsibility. We have a plan. Labor’s just got one whine after another.
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Scott Morrison gets a dixer and in his answer appears surprised that the Opposition, would, well, oppose something the government has put forward. Scott Morrison gets a dixer and, in his answer, appears surprised that the opposition, would, well, oppose something the government has put forward:
Yesterday, we said yes to providing certainty for investment in boosting energy supply through the National Energy Guarantee that will make power more affordable, more reliable and achieve our environmental commitments. Business and industry have said yes to that, Mr Speaker. Economists have said yes to that, Mr Speaker. The Chief Scientist has said yes, Mr Speaker to the National Energy Guarantee. What has Labor done again? Labor has said no. Labor have no plans for investment certainty, they only have a plan to say no, Mr Speaker, on every single occasion as this government works to drive investment that support jobs,that supports certainty, that support higher-paid jobs and that support a growing economy, Mr Speaker. What they do is they look for any excuse to say no, any and every excuse and they will sink to seeking to discredit and bully an Energy Security Board with people appointed by Labor state governments and yet we have seen them in interview after interview seek to undermine those independently-appointed members of that board, seeking to bully and intimidate like the unions they defend and protect for that behaviour in this place on every single day, Mr Speaker. The recipe from those opposite is higher taxes, higher subsidies, $66 billion in higher costs for Australian business and consumers which...” Yesterday, we said yes to providing certainty for investment in boosting energy supply through the national energy guarantee that will make power more affordable, more reliable and achieve our environmental commitments. Business and industry have said yes to that, Mr Speaker. Economists have said yes to that, Mr Speaker. The chief scientist has said yes, Mr Speaker, to the national energy guarantee.
What has Labor done again? Labor has said no. Labor have no plans for investment certainty, they only have a plan to say no, Mr Speaker, on every single occasion as this government works to drive investment that support jobs,that supports certainty, that support higher-paid jobs and that support a growing economy, Mr Speaker.
What they do is they look for any excuse to say no, any and every excuse and they will sink to seeking to discredit and bully an Energy Security Board with people appointed by Labor state governments. And yet we have seen them in interview after interview seek to undermine those independently appointed members of that board, seeking to bully and intimidate like the unions they defend and protect for that behaviour in this place on every single day, Mr Speaker. The recipe from those opposite is higher taxes, higher subsidies, $66bn in higher costs for Australian business and consumers which ...
Sadly, we run out of time before we get to hear what that recipe creates.Sadly, we run out of time before we get to hear what that recipe creates.
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It’s official– the government has decided on it’s three word sell. It’s official– the government has decided on its three-word sell.
Affordable ✅ Reliable ✅ Responsible ✅ WATCH the PM on @TheTodayShow pic.twitter.com/cXDafferXoAffordable ✅ Reliable ✅ Responsible ✅ WATCH the PM on @TheTodayShow pic.twitter.com/cXDafferXo
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Barnaby Joyce is his usual healthy shade of beetroot, but Turnbull’s voice is already starting to fade. That’s the problem with the non-stop sell. Someone might need to pass him a Soother. Barnaby Joyce is his usual healthy shade of beetroot but Turnbull’s voice is already starting to fade. That’s the problem with the non-stop sell. Someone might need to pass him a Soother.
The Labor backbench is not as rowdy as the Coalition as yet. But it is only just warming up. Turnbull takes a dixer on energy and gets to use his smartest people in the room quote again. One would assume he includes Alan Finkel in that, given he is the Chief Scientist. We move on to Mark Butler and the affordability aspect of the Neg. The Labor backbench is not as rowdy as the Coalition, as yet. But it is only just warming up. Turnbull takes a dixer on energy and gets to use his smartest people in the room quote again. One would assume he includes Alan Finkel in that, given that he is the chief scientist. We move on to Mark Butler and the affordability aspect of the Neg:
“Last night when asked whether she would personally guarantee to the people of Australia that their energy bills will be cheaper in three years’ time under the Prime Minister’s latest energy policy, the chair of the Energy Security Board said, “I don’t think anybody can guarantee a price reduction.” When the chair of the government’s Energy Security Board can’t guarantee that energy prices will fall for households, why should the Australian people believe the Prime Minister’s so-called guarantee?” Last night when asked whether she would personally guarantee to the people of Australia that their energy bills will be cheaper in three years’ time under the prime minister’s latest energy policy, the chair of the Energy Security Board said: “I don’t think anybody can guarantee a price reduction.” When the chair of the government’s Energy Security Board can’t guarantee that energy prices will fall for households, why should the Australian people believe the prime minister’s so-called guarantee?
Turnbull is REALLY feeling the Halloween spirit. First werewolves, now scary movies. Turnbull is REALLY feeling the Halloween spirit. First werewolves, now scary movies:
“One thing we can guarantee is that if you impose a $66 billion subsidy on the Australian energy sector, and you get the taxpayers to pay for that, you can guarantee that electricity bills will be higher. If you continue to ignore the lead for dispatchable base load power you will get more blackouts and then you will get more volatility. We know how this Labor horror movie goes.It’s been playing in South Australia for years. We know what it does. They have no conception of the engineering and the economics that we need to deliver a reliable and affordable energy plan. And as forDr Shott, I can say to the LaborParty, she can’t be intimidated. She is one of the finest public servants in this country. This is what she said, this is what she said, “The guarantee is about providing a reliable power system and meeting the emissions target set in the Paris agreement.” What will happen when those mechanisms are put in price is prices are likely to come down and they are likely to keep coming down. That is exactly the same advice that we received in the letter from the Energy Security Board. The experts that we have been called on to listen to and take advice from.” One thing we can guarantee is that if you impose a $66bn subsidy on the Australian energy sector, and you get the taxpayers to pay for that, you can guarantee that electricity bills will be higher. If you continue to ignore the lead for dispatchable base-load power you will get more blackouts and then you will get more volatility.
We know how this Labor horror movie goes. It’s been playing in South Australia for years. We know what it does. They have no conception of the engineering and the economics that we need to deliver a reliable and affordable energy plan.
And as for Dr Shott, I can say to the Labor party, she can’t be intimidated. She is one of the finest public servants in this country. This is what she said, this is what she said: “The guarantee is about providing a reliable power system and meeting the emissions target set in the Paris agreement.”
What will happen when those mechanisms are put in price is prices are likely to come down and they are likely to keep coming down. That is exactly the same advice that we received in the letter from the Energy Security Board. The experts that we have been called on to listen to and take advice from.
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The lols are coming early this question time. Bill Shorten opens with a question on the Coalition’s “latest energy policy” but can’t get it all the way out, because Josh Frydenberg is laughing harder than a middle aged man watching Monty Python. The lols are coming early this question time. Bill Shorten opens with a question on the Coalition’s “latest energy policy” but can’t get it all the way out, because Josh Frydenberg is laughing harder than a middle-aged man watching Monty Python.
Malcolm Turnbull, obviously feeling the Halloween spirit, gets a little supernatural with his answer.Malcolm Turnbull, obviously feeling the Halloween spirit, gets a little supernatural with his answer.
Earlier today the Leader of the Opposition stood in front of some solar panels. And for a little while he was talking sense and then a beam of sunlight struck the panel and he was transformed, not into a werewolf but an economic fantasist. This is what he said. Renewable energy is getting cheaper - he did. He said it’s correct to say we have been moving down the renewable energy path and we are seeing the benefits and he said it needs to be subsidised! Now, Mr Speaker, this is the bit that we are struggling to understand. Mr Speaker, his comrade in arms, his comrade in arms was of course the member for Sydney. She said, she’s even more emphatic, she said the renewables are becoming cheaper all the time and are already cheaper than coal. Kieran Gilbert [from Sky] was not asking an unreasonable question when he said, “So why subsidise them?” She said,”It is not about subsidies, it is about certainty.” This is the Labor Party. It is about certainty. $66 billion of cost loaded on to Australian families and Australian businesses in order to subsidise technologies that are already the cheapest alternative according to the Labor Party.” Earlier today the leader of the opposition stood in front of some solar panels. And for a little while he was talking sense and then a beam of sunlight struck the panel and he was transformed, not into a werewolf but an economic fantasist.
This is what he said. Renewable energy is getting cheaper – he did. He said it’s correct to say we have been moving down the renewable energy path and we are seeing the benefits and he said it needs to be subsidised!
Now, Mr Speaker, this is the bit that we are struggling to understand. Mr Speaker, his comrade in arms, his comrade in arms was of course the member for Sydney. She said, she’s even more emphatic, she said the renewables are becoming cheaper all the time and are already cheaper than coal. Kieran Gilbert [from Sky] was not asking an unreasonable question when he said, “So why subsidise them?” She said, “It is not about subsidies, it is about certainty.”
This is the Labor party. It is about certainty. $66bn of cost loaded on to Australian families and Australian businesses in order to subsidise technologies that are already the cheapest alternative, according to the Labor party.
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Question time is almost upon us.Question time is almost upon us.
Taking a look at the morning’s events, energy will once again be the name of the game. But with the telecommunication ombudsman report, the NBN will most likely get a go as well.Taking a look at the morning’s events, energy will once again be the name of the game. But with the telecommunication ombudsman report, the NBN will most likely get a go as well.
I’m going to try to report on QT from the chamber, so wish me luck. If there are tech problems, you can bet I will be getting my running shoes on for you.I’m going to try to report on QT from the chamber, so wish me luck. If there are tech problems, you can bet I will be getting my running shoes on for you.
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You’ll find the amendments Gareth Hutchens had mentioned on the citizenship bill here.You’ll find the amendments Gareth Hutchens had mentioned on the citizenship bill here.
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People are reacting very seriously to the allegations Andrew Wilkie raised in parliament this morning.
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Gareth Hutchens
It looks as though Peter Dutton’s controversial citizenship bill will be struck from the Senate notice paper this evening.
Last month the Senate voted to give Dutton until today to bring his bill on for debate in the Senate because they were tired of him telling voters how crucial his bill was while simultaneously withholding it from the Senate so it couldn’t be debated.
His office has reached out to key members of the Nick Xenophon Team in the past few days to talk about making amendments to the bill but it all seems too late.
It was the NXT that derailed Dutton’s attempt last month to enact his citizenship laws, saying they could not support the bill package in its current form.
It meant the government would have to either dump the package completely, or make substantial changes, to get the bill through parliament.
In yesterday’s Coalition party-room meeting, Dutton told his colleagues that he would amend the citizenship package.
Guardian Australia has been told his office has been talking about reducing the English language test from level six (university standard) to level five, and to amend the retrospective elements of the bill that have caused consternation.
But those amendments would still not be enough to persuade the NXT to come onboard.
The NXT has previously said the bill is “fundamentally flawed” and needs considerable redrafting.
One of their major complaints is that Dutton wants to give himself – and subsequent immigration ministers – the power to overrule decisions by the Administrative Appeals Tribunal on citizenship matters.
That aspect of the bill does not appear to have been part of recent discussions about amendments.
The Greens have not been contacted by Dutton’s office in the last week. They expect the bill will be struck from the Senate notice paper this evening.
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Christian Porter is defending the government’s planned welfare reforms. You may remember from earlier this morning (which already seems a lifetime ago) the UN special rapporteur on extreme poverty and human rights, Philip Alston, slammed the proposed welfare drug testing trial and said it was stigmatising social security recipients.
If the real goal is to reduce the use of illegal drugs, why start with the poorest members of society? Will there also be a policy designed to drug test and crack down on the well-to-do who spend far more on drugs, and receive all sorts of tax deductions, social security payments and other government benefits? Or is it only the poorest whose drug use the government feels it should punish through social security-based measures?
Porter told Sky the measures should be given a chance.
We’ve got 100,000 people who don’t do the right thing in the system, overwhelming two-thirds of people either don’t miss any appointments over six months, or they miss one, and they tend to move off the payment very quickly, but what we have identified is the present complexities and slackness of the compliance system means we have 100,000 people who routinely miss important things like job interviews, and they get stuck on the payment. So it is a very complicated, long and important piece of legislation. I am very confident that almost all of it will go through the Senate. Obviously the contentious issue is testing drugs in welfare recipients and to mandate treatment and it is no secret that there has been some opposition to that ... I think government should be able to try things new things in the welfare space by virtue of the fact that a lot of the old approaches simply don’t work.
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Over at the Press Club and Brendan O’Connor is addressing the impact of the gig economy on industrial relations and how Labor plans on dealing with it:
Federal Labor is examining exactly what we should be doing for people who are selling their labour on particular digital platforms. Recently, we have had Airtasker negotiate with unions in New South Wales a better deal for people who are using Airtasker to find work. Labor hasn’t settled on exactly what we need to do but we will apply the values that we apply to our public policy generally. We should embrace technology but we have to ensure it is not used to obviate obligations under particular laws, to undermine people’s rights and that includes industrial rights. We have a long way to go. Not only in this country. I think globally a long way to go to tackle the complexity of what is happening with the use of technology, exemplified by Uber. We will have more to say about that before the election but it is a complex area of law and I am examining other jurisdictions as to how they are approaching it.
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Didn’t vote? You’re one of 1 million enrolled Australians who didn’t take up their democratic right and legal obligation in the same-sex marriage postal survey. AAP reports the Australian Electoral Commission’s latest annual report found a 46% increase since the 2013 election in people not voting, with the lowest turn out, 91%, since compulsory voting began in 1925.
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Julie Bishop has confirmed Australian forces have played a role in the recapture of Raqqa, which served as the Islamic State capital for some time.
AAP reports Bishop confirmed the Royal Australian Airforce provided support as part of the international coalition, but added there were complexities:
The Syrian city of Raqqa and at least 90% of territory held by Isis in Iraq has been taken back by coalition forces. About 80 Australians fighting for Isis in Iraq and Syria have been killed in the conflict and the government continues to track the movements of another 110 believed to be in the field.But as Isis forces flee south, entrenched conflicts between Iraqi and Kurdish forces have been reignited in Kirkuk and Sinjar. This is deeply troubling and it’s an example of the layers of complexity in Syria and Iraq.
Bishop said Australia remained focused on defeating IS, raising concerns it would “reappear with substance in other parts of the world including in the Philippines”.
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Scott Morrison took the Turnbull government’s message to Queensland, telling the ABC Brisbane audience the state’s Labor government’s 50% renewables target was “nuts”. That should definitely help bring Queensland on board at Coag.
He also explained exactly what the Neg was designed to do.
It works like this. You walk into the shopfront of a retailer – put it in that context – Origin, AGL, whoever it might happen to be. What they have to do, they have to buy energy from the system from all the producers, the wholesalers and others – which a) delivers on a reliability standard which is set by the Energy Market Operator and provides a portfolio of energy that meets the emissions reduction target. So, when you’re buying your energy, you know you’re getting a product which meets both reliability and meets Australia’s environmental obligations. So, this actually does deliver on the trifecta of affordability, of reliability and environmental obligations. So you get rid of the subsidies out of the system – and the reason you can do that is they’re no longer necessary, the price of renewables has come down, they can now compete on their own two feet as they should. So the energy retailers will find that the cheapest way of getting that energy package together to provide to you the customer.
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Over at the National Press Club, Brendan O’Connor is giving a speech on workplace relations.
Here’s his opening:
We cannot tackle inequality or build a future of inclusive prosperity unless Australia has a workplace relations system that is both productive and fair. We have to both address the challenges in the labour market that exist now and prepare for what is coming.
Essential to that task is striking the right balance of power between workers and employers. The tilt of bargaining power away from workers and to employers has gone too far.
Too many of our fellow Australians can no longer see the link between hard work and fair reward. Inequality is at a 75-year high. Wage growth is flat lining. Work is too often hard to find, and insecure.
For too many low and middle-income earners, access to education and training is limited. Workers don’t believe they have the power any more to negotiate a better deal at work. And many are deeply anxious about what the future will bring.
The consequences for our society and our economy are profoundly negative.
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Another question time strategy hint from Labor, with Mark Butler discussing the chief scientist.
I think Alan Finkel should be congratulated with his work over the last months, taking advice from experts overseas and through process developed a comprehensive plan. Malcolm Turnbull has turned his back on that plan. Yes, at the end of the day, Alan Finkel said there needs to be an orderly mechanism to combine climate and energy policy and he then said the clean energy target was the best mechanism. He said it was the mechanism that would deliver the best outcome for households on power prices and Josh Frydenberg reflected that when he did his presentation to the Coalition party room. He [had] a slide that said the clean energy target will lower prices. Malcolm Turnbull reflected that. The problem for us all is that Tony Abbott vetoed it and again Malcolm Turnbull ended up capitulating to Tony Abbott.
As a reminder, here is what Finkel said yesterday, when asked about the clean energy target, where he concluded there was more than one way to “skin a cat”:
The clean energy target is not a headline item. It is bullet point number two of three bullet points. It is not even introduced as a clean energy target, it is introduced as the need for a credible mechanism and there are multiple ways of achieving a credible mechanism.
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