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Arron Banks's firm and Leave. EU fined £135,000 over data misuse - live | Arron Banks's firm and Leave. EU fined £135,000 over data misuse - live |
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Damian Collins asks about who else may have copies of the Cambridge Analytica/Facebook dataset. “Some are individuals, some are academic institutions […] about half a dozen,” Dipple-Johnstone says. | |
Collins asks how this can be the case, if Facebook forced people to delete the data. “We found problems with the signing of these authorisations, some of them weren’t signed at all,” Denham says. “We also found evidence that as recently as 2018, spring, some of the data was still there at Cambridge Analytica. So there’s evidence that the follow-up was less than robust, which is part of the reason we fined Facebook £500,000.” | |
Does Denham believe that Facebook’s brief attempt to investigate Cambridge Analytica itself – sending investigators to the company’s office before even the ICO was allowed in – harmed the data? “There is no evidence to suggest that”, Denham says. | |
On Twitter, meanwhile, Arron Banks has dismissed the ICO’s conclusions about data protection breaches by his companies, tweeting: “So what?” | |
Gosh we communicated with our supporters and offered them a 10% brexit discount after the vote ! So what ? https://t.co/OYIZaCOmh5 | |
Banks’ tweet may be seen as evidence in favour of Paul Farrelly’s assertion that £60,000 fines are too small to have an effect. | |
Labour’s Ian Lucas asks some pointed questions about the ICO taking Facebook’s testimony as fact. Facebook said it had found that Canadian data science outfit AggregateIQ used different email lists to those taken in the Cambridge Analytica breach, but Lucas wants to know if the ICO had independently verified that. It has not, Dipple-Johnstone says, in part because only Facebook has that data. | |
Ian Lucas asks who personally at Facebook dealt with the Cambridge Analytica breach. Dipple-Johnstone says the ICO has that information, but not to hand. | |
Lucas points out that, when Facebook first gave evidence to the committee, it didn’t mention that breach at all. He wants the information, he says, so that he can work out who knew what, when, and why the breach was hidden from parliament. | |
“One simple question: should Mark Zuckerberg appear before this committee,” asks Conservative Julian Knight. | |
“We have dealt with headquarters,” Denham says. “We have more action, a better response, when we’re dealing with Mountain View, than when we’re dealing with local representatives.” [Mountain View is actually Google’s headquarters; Facebook is based nearby, in Menlo Park.] | |
“I think it would be very useful to have him appear… from our own experience, it’s been critical that we’re connecting with senior staff. | |
“It’s been critical that we have levers in to the highest levels, because that’s where the decisions are being made.” | |
“We’ve heard evidence that there were staff who worked for both Leave.EU and Eldon Insurance,” Labour’s Jo Stevens asks. “Have you spoken to them?” | |
James Dipple-Johnstone says the ICO is interviewing former staff from many companies. | |
“Regulators need to look at the effectiveness of their processes,” Denham adds. “There’s a fundamental tension between the advertising business model of Facebook and fundamental rights like the protection of privacy. And that’s where we’re at now. It’s a big job on the part of regulators to ensure that the right rules are in place.” | |
“Would you put any personal information on a Facebook account?” Labour’s Clive Efford asks. | |
“I think Facebook has a long way to go to change practices to an extent that people have deep trust in the platform,” Denham says. “Social media is here to stay, but Facebook needs to significantly change their business model and practices to maintain trust.” | |
“We’ve seen some changes on the voluntary side to become more transparent,” she says, highlighting the company’s new rules about political adverts, “but they should be subject to stricter regulation and oversight. We issued the highest possible fine that we could impose for their role in Cambridge Analytica.” | |
Ukip has also refused to speak with the ICO, Denham says. “It’s been frustrating that they’ve refused to cooperate with our investigation.” | |
Cambridge Analytica’s Alexander Nix and Cambridge University’s Aleksandr Kogan both refused to appear in front of the ICO for an interview under caution. “Parliament has given us new powers that came into effect in April,” Denham says, but “one of the powers we may be coming back to parliament about is the ability to compel individuals to appear. That has frustrated our investigation.” | |
“We are looking at the entire structure for Cambridge Analytica and SCL Group,” adds Dipple-Johnstone, deputy commissioner. | |
Labour’s Paul Farrelly notes that the £60,000 fine against Eldon Insurance seems rather less than the potential revenue raised by the misuse of emails. “We have to look at other fines that we’ve issued,” Denham says, but notes that future fines could be significantly higher as investigations continue. | |
The committee is up. Damian Collins, the chair, begins by running through the findings of the ICO, focusing on the fine levied against Leave.EU and Eldon Insurance. | The committee is up. Damian Collins, the chair, begins by running through the findings of the ICO, focusing on the fine levied against Leave.EU and Eldon Insurance. |
“Does the ICO believe that the emails were also used to target adverts on Facebook?”, he asks. “It is possible those email addresses could have been used in other ways,” Denham responds, but notes that she has not yet investigated that possiblity. | “Does the ICO believe that the emails were also used to target adverts on Facebook?”, he asks. “It is possible those email addresses could have been used in other ways,” Denham responds, but notes that she has not yet investigated that possiblity. |
A breather from filleting the ICO’s report as we prepare for the DCMS to hear from the organisation directly. | A breather from filleting the ICO’s report as we prepare for the DCMS to hear from the organisation directly. |
If you want to watch along yourself, good news: the select committee is being broadcast live on Twitter, a first: | If you want to watch along yourself, good news: the select committee is being broadcast live on Twitter, a first: |
LIVE: What role can independent regulators have in regulating social media companies, keeping our data safe and advertising models transparent? We are questioning @ICOnews @ElectoralCommUK and @ASA_UK https://t.co/TpjDxeNwu6 | LIVE: What role can independent regulators have in regulating social media companies, keeping our data safe and advertising models transparent? We are questioning @ICOnews @ElectoralCommUK and @ASA_UK https://t.co/TpjDxeNwu6 |