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Labor pushes for climate emergency motion to pass House – politics live Labor pushes for climate emergency motion to pass House – politics live
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Also, a couple of extra bits from the Albanese press conference: he addresses the rumour that Labor MP Mike Kelly might trigger a byelection in his marginal seat of Eden-Monaro, saying Kelly will be here “for a long time” and is an “important member of the team”.
He says the only way that the government will be able to claw back the seat will be to beat him in an election.
Albanese is also asked about the Right to Know campaign, saying he agrees on the importance of a free press and commenting that it is “unacceptable” that journalists should be facing criminal prosecution.
The Labor leader is also asked why only five MPs were in the chamber when the opposition introduced its climate emergency motion, saying that was “what happened in parliament” and it was no reflection of the importance of motions or legislation.
Back in estimates, Penny Wong says she is just trying to work out how Australia went from “we’ll co-operate if asked”, which is what Marise Payne said, to Joe Hockey proactively sending a letter saying we would help.
This is all taken on notice.
“This is the most interventionist you’ve ever been,” Wong says.
“... I’m quite relaxed, actually,” Cormann says a little later.
Labor will vote in support of three new free trade agreements after securing a range of concessions from the government on labour market testing, worker exploitation, and outdated agreements regarding investor legal rights.
Labor leader Anthony Albanese and shadow trade minister Madeleine King have held a press conference confirming their support for enabling legislation tabled last week, saying the agreements with Indonesia, Hong Kong and Peru would be good for Australian jobs, business and the national economy.
Albanese said that, had Labor been in government, it would have made a different agreement with Indonesia that would have better dealt with labour market testing and would have excluded investor state dispute settlement clauses.
“This is not an agreement that Labor would have made, we would have made different provisions,” Albanese said.
“But it is an agreement the government has put forward, and one in which, overall, provides benefits for Australian workers, Australian jobs and for our national economy, which is why Labor will be supporting these three agreements.”
As part of its negotiations, Labor has secured from the government a commitment to bring forward criminal penalties for the worst forms of worker exploitation, which Albanese said would now occur as a “matter of urgency”.
The trade minister, Simon Birmingham, has assured the opposition that the government will seek to terminate a bilateral investment treaty signed between Indonesia and Australia, including “survival clauses”, but this will require Indonesian agreement.
Albanese said that he believed this was a “matter of courtesy”, but he was confident that the old agreement would be scrapped.
The argument is now dissolving into who is speaking over who.
When did the PM&C officials become aware of our assistance with the Barr inquiry?
Mathias Cormann attempts to stop this one as well.
Eventually we get to someone saying it is being dealt with by foreign affairs and trade and has no involvement from PM&C.
But when did they first become aware, Wong asks Caroline Miller, who heads up the PM&C international division, once again.
Cormann again stops the answer.
I swear to JLo, this is like watching a report being redacted in real time.
“Are you aware now,” Wong asks again.
“That’s a very funny question,” Cormann says.
While this sideshow is happening in PM&C estimates, Michaelia Cash has shown up in the home affairs estimates hearing.
“If it was business as usual, surely you wouldn’t be worried about answering questions,” Penny Wong asks.
“I’m not worried,” Mathias Cormann says.
And around and around we go.
“The front page of the papers is looking very accurate,” Penny Wong says, after around 1,000,000 of back and forth between her and Mathias Cormann about when officials in the prime minister’s department knew it was the government’s position to assist with the US justice department inquiry into the Mueller investigation and Alexander Downer’s role in it.
Labor’s Murray Watt has asked infrastructure and regional development department officials whether they have read any of Barnaby Joyce’s texts about the drought. Answer: no.
Agriculture minister Bridget McKenzie offers a lot of generalities about what Joyce delivered – including “a lot of correspondence about how we can better help drought affected communities”. He offered a “range of advice” which “informs our ongoing response” to the drought.
Watt then takes up the attack about the eligibility of councils for drought assistance funding. Officials revealed that Moira shire failed because only 16.9% of its workforce is in agriculture, fisheries or forestry and the cutoff is 17%.
Watt suggests that, likewise, Singleton, Kiama, Shoalhaven, Eurobadalla and Yass are “all badly drought-affected but not eligible” because of the workforce threshold. Departmental officials take on notice how far they fell short.
Officials also revealed the government made an election commitment to provide drought funding to 14 councils and the department did not apply the same criteria because it was a “decision of government” to commit funding.
Watt criticises the decision to “hand out money during an election” while “poor old Moira shire missed out”. Officials take on notice whether any of the 14 councils would have failed the eligibility test, if it were applied.
McKenzie said the decision was based on ABS and Bureau of Meteorology data, but can’t say whether they met the criteria.
Penny Wong is trying for the fourth or fifth time to find out if anyone within the prime minister’s department knew of the US justice department announcement, given Alexander Downer’s involvement.
It has now been taken on notice by Mathias Cormann, to stop Wong from asking any of the officials about it.
But apparently the senior PM and C international division officials were unaware of Joe Hockey’s letter agreeing to assist with the investigation, before it was sent.
Cormann again says it would be remarkable if we didn’t agree to assist, as is normal practice.
“There is actually nothing remarkable in this, it would be very strange if Mr Hockey, representing the Australian government, had said anything else,” Cormann says.
Cormann wants these questions to go to foreign affairs and trade.
Was the government informed about the investigation before it was publicly announced, Penny Wong wants to know?
Mathias Cormann says the Australian government “of course” seeks to co-operate with official investigations and it would be remarkable if Australia did not agree to co-operate.
He says there is only so much he can talk about.
But he doesn’t answer the question.
Penny Wong is now moving on to the investigation the US justice department has ordered into how the Mueller inquiry came about – you may remember that Alexander Downer is wrapped up in that.Penny Wong is now moving on to the investigation the US justice department has ordered into how the Mueller inquiry came about – you may remember that Alexander Downer is wrapped up in that.
Penny Wong says Mathias Cormann is attempting to make assertions about what is in “my mind and heart” about the motives in her questions (about what Australia thinks is the risk of Da’esh coming back).Penny Wong says Mathias Cormann is attempting to make assertions about what is in “my mind and heart” about the motives in her questions (about what Australia thinks is the risk of Da’esh coming back).
Cormann says the imputations were clear. Wong says she just wants answers.Cormann says the imputations were clear. Wong says she just wants answers.
“I am actually just asking about consequences ... about the current situation in northern Syria,” she says.“I am actually just asking about consequences ... about the current situation in northern Syria,” she says.
Cormann can’t let go of what he thinks the imputations.Cormann can’t let go of what he thinks the imputations.
Now Jacqui Lambie is pissed with how it’s all going, and she just wants to know if there is a risk assessment – telling Cormann the problem is “you have no plan”.Now Jacqui Lambie is pissed with how it’s all going, and she just wants to know if there is a risk assessment – telling Cormann the problem is “you have no plan”.
“The Australian public would like to know,” she says.“The Australian public would like to know,” she says.
“You have nothing on paper ... there are a lot of unanswered questions here.”“You have nothing on paper ... there are a lot of unanswered questions here.”
Wong lets her go.Wong lets her go.
Lambie says given Cormann and Scott Morrison said Donald Trump’s actions didn’t come as a surprise, since Trump had spoken about it in the past, what conversations did Australia have about protecting Australian troops, given there was a risk of the US withdrawing its own troops.Lambie says given Cormann and Scott Morrison said Donald Trump’s actions didn’t come as a surprise, since Trump had spoken about it in the past, what conversations did Australia have about protecting Australian troops, given there was a risk of the US withdrawing its own troops.
“When did you actually open up dialogue about this – was it just the day [he announced it]?”“When did you actually open up dialogue about this – was it just the day [he announced it]?”
Cormann just says Australia has a good relationship with the US, and we have “ongoing and consistent” dialogue with the US.Cormann just says Australia has a good relationship with the US, and we have “ongoing and consistent” dialogue with the US.
Lambie still wants to know when Australia first discussed this with the US.Lambie still wants to know when Australia first discussed this with the US.
“We have answered this question,” Cormann says.“We have answered this question,” Cormann says.
Which means, based on these answers, the first conversation was after Trump publicly announced the withdrawal.Which means, based on these answers, the first conversation was after Trump publicly announced the withdrawal.
“So in other words, Australia had no idea, and Trump just walked over the top of them and you just went, ‘that’s it, we can’t do anything’, because you left your run too late,” Lambie says.“So in other words, Australia had no idea, and Trump just walked over the top of them and you just went, ‘that’s it, we can’t do anything’, because you left your run too late,” Lambie says.
Cormann disputes this, but we still don’t get any answers.Cormann disputes this, but we still don’t get any answers.
While supportive of the #YourRightToKnow campaign, I would hope there's some quiet reflection amongst the media in the role that they have played in allowing the surveillance state to flourish.While supportive of the #YourRightToKnow campaign, I would hope there's some quiet reflection amongst the media in the role that they have played in allowing the surveillance state to flourish.
Another 10 minutes have passed and we still don’t have any more idea of whether the Australian government has made any sort of risk assessment over whether there is likely to be a re-emergence or strengthening of the Da’esh terror group, given the Syria situation.Another 10 minutes have passed and we still don’t have any more idea of whether the Australian government has made any sort of risk assessment over whether there is likely to be a re-emergence or strengthening of the Da’esh terror group, given the Syria situation.
Amnesty Australia has responded to the AFP’s apology to Hakeem al-Araibi:Amnesty Australia has responded to the AFP’s apology to Hakeem al-Araibi:
An apology, albeit belated, is the very least Hakeem should expect for the ordeal he and his family endured,” Amnesty International Australia campaigner Tim O’Connor said.An apology, albeit belated, is the very least Hakeem should expect for the ordeal he and his family endured,” Amnesty International Australia campaigner Tim O’Connor said.
It’s a welcome acknowledgement of systemic failure in the AFP and Department of Home Affairs processes.It’s a welcome acknowledgement of systemic failure in the AFP and Department of Home Affairs processes.
We look forward to the Department of Home Affairs also offering an apology to Hakeem and his family. The evidence we have garnered through Freedom of Information clearly shows it is the failure of Home Affairs systems and communications that led to Hakeem’s detention in Thailand.We look forward to the Department of Home Affairs also offering an apology to Hakeem and his family. The evidence we have garnered through Freedom of Information clearly shows it is the failure of Home Affairs systems and communications that led to Hakeem’s detention in Thailand.
It is troubling that more than 10 months after these Australian government departments failed Hakeem, that their systems are still not fixed. What happened to Hakeem could happen to someone else, which is why Australian taxpayers should receive an independent and transparent inquiry so we can all have trust in our government’s systems.It is troubling that more than 10 months after these Australian government departments failed Hakeem, that their systems are still not fixed. What happened to Hakeem could happen to someone else, which is why Australian taxpayers should receive an independent and transparent inquiry so we can all have trust in our government’s systems.
In rural and regional affairs, infrastructure department officials have revealed just 430 public service jobs have been decentralised from the ACT, central Sydney and central Melbourne.
Labor’s Murray Watt makes Bridget McKenzie read out the whole list, making wise cracks about the fact that Adelaide, Brisbane and Parramatta are hardly regional centres. Watt also wants more detail about which jobs are due to move or have moved already.
Some 239 jobs moved in 2018 including:
The Unique Student Identifier Registrar moved 40 positions from Canberra to Adelaide
The office of the Registrar of Indigenous Corporations moved 10 from Canberra to Darwin
The Indigenous Affairs group in PMC moved 32 jobs, including 25 from the Sydney CBD to Parramatta
The office of the Rural Health Commissioner moved 4 new positions to Adelaide.
The infrastructure department moved 12 including 3 to Perth and 9 in the Inland Rail division
Australian Maritime Safety Authority – moved “up to 69 new positions”
Australian Law Reform Commission – 12 positions from Sydney to Brisbane.
Aboriginal Hostels Limited moved 40 new positions
The Australian space agency will move 20 from Canberra to Adelaide.
And another 191 jobs moved in 2019, including:
The regional programs branch of the infrastructure department is moving from Canberra to Orange
The Australian Financial Security Authority moved 15 positions to Hobart, Perth and Brisbane
Comcare will relocate some positions and establish offices in Darwin and Launceston
The National Indigenous Australians Agency moved 35 from Canberra to Alice Springs, Coffs Harbour and Broome.
The Murray Darling Basin Authority moved 76 to Albury, Wodonga, Grififth, Mildura, Murray Bridge and Goondiwindi.
Labor’s Glenn Sterle has asked about suggestions up to 1,700 jobs would be moved. McKenzie and departmental officials suggest the bigger number reflects jobs moved before the April 2017 launch of the decentralisation agenda and an ongoing commitment. The precise breakdown has been taken on notice.
“These are the front pages today, the front pages today, and you won’t even answer a question about whether or not there was a note taker,” Penny Wong says, holding up the Adelaide Advertiser front page.
“Oh the cameras are going, you’ve got them all lined up,” Mathias Cormann says.
I mean first of all, no, we are all able to work out that Wong and Cormann in estimates will lead to an argument, because this is not our first time at the rodeo. It’s not even our second.
And secondly, this whole place is a theatre. It’s how it works.
Anthony Albanese has just called a press conference in the next five minutes.
It’s Penny Wong v Mathias Cormann in Senate estimates.
They both seem happy to be back on familiar ground.
Ten minutes into the hearing, Cormann is talking over Wong, Wong is telling him why she believes he is wrong, and James Paterson is trying his best to keep order.
Wong is trying to find out about how Australia found out about the Syria US troop withdrawal (through the public announcement) and whether in follow-up phone calls between Australian and US officials, notes were taken. Sarah Martin is listening for you, and will have more for you soon.
As far as Reece Kershaw knows, the AFP is not planning any more raids on journalists, he tells the Labor senator Raff Ciccone.
“But it’s something that we’d obviously be having a look at.”
Penny Wong has just entered Senate estimates for the first time.
She is in the finance and public administration committee, to question the prime minister’s department.
From AAP:
Australia’s new top cop has personally apologised to refugee footballer Hakeem al-Araibi for the months he spent behind bars in Thailand.
Al-Araibi, a permanent Australian resident, was locked up in Bangkok after Bahraini officials pursued him over vandalism charges.
Australian federal police commissioner Reece Kershaw, who has been in the job 19 days, acknowledged a trail of bureaucratic bungles led to his detention.
Kershaw said he was now working with the Department of Home Affairs to address a “lack of connectivity” between border security systems and the Interpol database.“I have delivered a letter to Mr al-Araibi to extend AFP’s apology for his unfortunate detention in Thailand,” he told a Senate committee in Canberra on Monday.
“And to reassure Mr al-Araibi that the AFP is continuing to review and improve processes in consultation with other relevant agencies to ensure we respond appropriate to these matters in the future.
“The AFP is working closely with the department to resolve the overarching policy and legal questions arising from this matter.”
The chamber is still debating Mark Butler’s motion to declare a climate emergency.
There is an inevitable end to this – the government does not support it, so it won’t pass.
Pauline Hanson has made an appearance at the estimates committee grilling the AFP. She wants to know about pill testing. Hanson asks the police commissioner whether pill testing is encouraging the drug trade in Australia.
The commissioner says he doesn’t believe organised criminal syndicates would be influenced by whether pill testing exists or doesn’t.
“It’s a global business,” the commissioner says, of the drug trade. Pill testing isn’t relevant.
The Greens have just spent a good 10 minutes or so asking about their climate emergency hot air balloon which they wanted to launch over Parliament House last week.
Senate president Scott Ryan has explained that when approval was sought, he learned that it was up to Casa to control the airspace above parliament, and a request was then made by DPS to have the access denied.
Larissa Waters asked about a balloon that was seen above parliament this morning and why it had been allowed when its climate emergency protest balloon had not been.
Ryan says that regardless of the cause, the presiding officers did not believe that any balloon should be allowed access to the airspace above Parliament House.
He said it was a matter for Casa to police the current exclusion zone and added that they wanted to make the no-fly zone permanent.