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| When taking pills can be better than talking | When taking pills can be better than talking |
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| By Professor Richard Gray University of East Anglia | By Professor Richard Gray University of East Anglia |
| Talking therapies are often cited as the best way of helping people with mental health problems. | Talking therapies are often cited as the best way of helping people with mental health problems. |
| But Richard Gray, a professor of nursing research, says sometimes pills are the answer. | But Richard Gray, a professor of nursing research, says sometimes pills are the answer. |
| Sitting in a village hall with 50 other people listening to a Powerpoint presentation about coping with stress is probably not what you have in mind when you think about receiving a talking treatment. | Sitting in a village hall with 50 other people listening to a Powerpoint presentation about coping with stress is probably not what you have in mind when you think about receiving a talking treatment. |
| But this is the reality for many patients on the NHS's Improving Access to Psychological Therapies (IAPT) programme. | But this is the reality for many patients on the NHS's Improving Access to Psychological Therapies (IAPT) programme. |
| Depression and anxiety may affect up to one in four of us at some point in our lives and is a major reason why people are on long term sick leave or are unemployed. | Depression and anxiety may affect up to one in four of us at some point in our lives and is a major reason why people are on long term sick leave or are unemployed. |
| Psychological treatments (such as CBT - cognitive behavioural therapy) and antidepressant medication are very effective in treating these illnesses. | Psychological treatments (such as CBT - cognitive behavioural therapy) and antidepressant medication are very effective in treating these illnesses. |
| But when given a choice most choose a talking therapy over medication. | But when given a choice most choose a talking therapy over medication. |
| Why people prefer psychological treatments is unclear but might be because of the negative media stories and stigma associated with taking pills for a mental illness. | Why people prefer psychological treatments is unclear but might be because of the negative media stories and stigma associated with taking pills for a mental illness. |
| 'Voting with their feet' | 'Voting with their feet' |
| Accessing talking treatments has, for many years, been restricted by the very limited number of qualified therapists that can provide the therapy. | Accessing talking treatments has, for many years, been restricted by the very limited number of qualified therapists that can provide the therapy. |
| The IAPT programme, launched in 2007, sought to address this; making talking treatments available to the many, not just the few. | The IAPT programme, launched in 2007, sought to address this; making talking treatments available to the many, not just the few. |
| The investment of £170m to make talking treatments widely available was aimed at enabling large numbers of economically inactive patients get back to work. | The investment of £170m to make talking treatments widely available was aimed at enabling large numbers of economically inactive patients get back to work. |
| But the end of first year, evaluation suggests that patients on IAPT received, on average, just three sessions of treatment; well below the 16-20 sessions recommended by the National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence (NICE) to be effective against depression and anxiety. | But the end of first year, evaluation suggests that patients on IAPT received, on average, just three sessions of treatment; well below the 16-20 sessions recommended by the National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence (NICE) to be effective against depression and anxiety. |
| Large numbers of patients are seemingly voting with their feet and walking away early. Does this reflect the quality of therapy or the way it is being offered (back to our of 50 patients in the village hall)? | Large numbers of patients are seemingly voting with their feet and walking away early. Does this reflect the quality of therapy or the way it is being offered (back to our of 50 patients in the village hall)? |
| Improving access to talking treatments is a major campaigning issue for major mental health charities. | Improving access to talking treatments is a major campaigning issue for major mental health charities. |
| And it was striking that the majority of the media coverage surrounding the launch of the recent government mental health strategy also seemed to focus on the single issues of improving access to psychological treatments. | And it was striking that the majority of the media coverage surrounding the launch of the recent government mental health strategy also seemed to focus on the single issues of improving access to psychological treatments. |
| Is it time to question our seeming obsession with talking treatments? | Is it time to question our seeming obsession with talking treatments? |
| 'Troubling and dangerous' | 'Troubling and dangerous' |
| Although it feels like heresy to suggest this I want to stand up for the very important role medication can play in the treatment of mental illness. | Although it feels like heresy to suggest this I want to stand up for the very important role medication can play in the treatment of mental illness. |
| Antidepressants are very effective in treating moderate to severe depression, quickly alleviating distressing and disabling symptoms in about seven out of 10 patients. | Antidepressants are very effective in treating moderate to severe depression, quickly alleviating distressing and disabling symptoms in about seven out of 10 patients. |
| Yes, pills can have side effects but so does CBT. | Yes, pills can have side effects but so does CBT. |
| There are many patients that I have worked with who feel passionately that antidepressants have literally saved their lives. | There are many patients that I have worked with who feel passionately that antidepressants have literally saved their lives. |
| Unlike talking treatments, prescribing a medication guarantees patients will get the full "dose" of treatment. | Unlike talking treatments, prescribing a medication guarantees patients will get the full "dose" of treatment. |
| When it comes to severe mental illnesses such as schizophrenia and bipolar disorder I think it is even more important to stand up for medication which, I believe, should be viewed as the foundation for effective treatment. | When it comes to severe mental illnesses such as schizophrenia and bipolar disorder I think it is even more important to stand up for medication which, I believe, should be viewed as the foundation for effective treatment. |
| I have been quite taken aback recently to hear a number of experienced psychiatric colleagues promoting psychological therapies as the preferred treatment choice for patients with these illnesses. | I have been quite taken aback recently to hear a number of experienced psychiatric colleagues promoting psychological therapies as the preferred treatment choice for patients with these illnesses. |
| This is a troubling and dangerous consequence of our talking treatment obsession. | This is a troubling and dangerous consequence of our talking treatment obsession. |
| CBT can be helpful against schizophrenia and bipolar depression (but not mania), but requires patients to be taking medication first. | CBT can be helpful against schizophrenia and bipolar depression (but not mania), but requires patients to be taking medication first. |
| Both psychological therapies and medication have a role to play in helping people move on with their lives and recover from mental illness. | Both psychological therapies and medication have a role to play in helping people move on with their lives and recover from mental illness. |
| There are, I think, real challenges facing those implementing IAPT in guaranteeing that patients get the quality of talking treatments they require; surely not mass CBT in the village hall. | There are, I think, real challenges facing those implementing IAPT in guaranteeing that patients get the quality of talking treatments they require; surely not mass CBT in the village hall. |
| Taking medication means that patients get a treatment that has been shown to be effective in treating their symptoms. | Taking medication means that patients get a treatment that has been shown to be effective in treating their symptoms. |
| Is it time to think about Improving Access to Pharmacological Therapies? | Is it time to think about Improving Access to Pharmacological Therapies? |
| Professor Gray has written a book on treating psychosis with CBT, and has given lectures on behalf of a number of pharmaceutical companies. | Professor Gray has written a book on treating psychosis with CBT, and has given lectures on behalf of a number of pharmaceutical companies. |
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| Actually, treating mental illness often requires a healthy balance of both medication AND therapies. Yes, medication is fast and usually effective (though not always) at alleviating moderate - severe symptoms, but it is a temporary measure only and doesn't treat the route cause. Meds should be used to stabilise the patient to enable effective therapy treatment, not as a long-term solution. | |
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| Think I've had mild anxiety for about 2 years (possibly a lapse in a rigorous exercise regime, possibly a stressful career change - maybe both) and in the last few months it became acute. SSRI's have definitely helped (took about a month to kick in) but I don't want them as long term crutch. That said I am scientific and analytical and shudder at the idea of CBT. Would bring on an attack itself. | Think I've had mild anxiety for about 2 years (possibly a lapse in a rigorous exercise regime, possibly a stressful career change - maybe both) and in the last few months it became acute. SSRI's have definitely helped (took about a month to kick in) but I don't want them as long term crutch. That said I am scientific and analytical and shudder at the idea of CBT. Would bring on an attack itself. |
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| I suffer from Social anxiety disorder and depression. I found that the CBT treatments helped me with the anxiety but did not make the problem go away. I take anti depressants and they help me cope with part of my condition. Do I feel better? to an extent I have a long way to go but at least I no longer struggle to interact every day. | I suffer from Social anxiety disorder and depression. I found that the CBT treatments helped me with the anxiety but did not make the problem go away. I take anti depressants and they help me cope with part of my condition. Do I feel better? to an extent I have a long way to go but at least I no longer struggle to interact every day. |
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| Not every depression is caused by unfortunate personal circumstances that can be resolved by talking. My pills had saved me - feeling 'numb' is a lot better than the extreme bleakness I was experiencing. My therapist only made me worse by going on about my fathers death which was not related to my misery and made me feel intensely vulnerable with her probing. | Not every depression is caused by unfortunate personal circumstances that can be resolved by talking. My pills had saved me - feeling 'numb' is a lot better than the extreme bleakness I was experiencing. My therapist only made me worse by going on about my fathers death which was not related to my misery and made me feel intensely vulnerable with her probing. |
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| It is interesting to note that professor Gray has given lectures on behalf of pharmaceutical companies. These companies always pay guest lecturers hansomely. I would like to know how much he was paid. This article is biased, fails to quote its sources and ignores the considerable evidence (Kirsch 2010), that antidepressants are no more effective than placebos. | It is interesting to note that professor Gray has given lectures on behalf of pharmaceutical companies. These companies always pay guest lecturers hansomely. I would like to know how much he was paid. This article is biased, fails to quote its sources and ignores the considerable evidence (Kirsch 2010), that antidepressants are no more effective than placebos. |
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