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EU referendum bill to be debated by Lords EU referendum bill debated in Lords
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The House of Lords is debating a bill that would allow a referendum on the UK's membership of the EU in 2017.The House of Lords is debating a bill that would allow a referendum on the UK's membership of the EU in 2017.
PM David Cameron has already pledged to hold a referendum in 2017 if the Tories win the next election. The bill, introduced by Tory MP James Wharton, would write the pledge into law.PM David Cameron has already pledged to hold a referendum in 2017 if the Tories win the next election. The bill, introduced by Tory MP James Wharton, would write the pledge into law.
The bill passed its final stage in the Commons in November despite Labour and Lib Dem efforts to delay its passage.The bill passed its final stage in the Commons in November despite Labour and Lib Dem efforts to delay its passage.
It is likely to face a tougher time in the Lords, where it could be derailed.It is likely to face a tougher time in the Lords, where it could be derailed.
Labour, Lib Dem and pro-European Conservatives are expected to work together to amend the bill.Labour, Lib Dem and pro-European Conservatives are expected to work together to amend the bill.
If amended, it would need to clear the Commons again by the end of February and could run out of parliamentary time.If amended, it would need to clear the Commons again by the end of February and could run out of parliamentary time.
'Blunt instrument''Blunt instrument'
The government could then take the unusual step of using the Parliament Act to force it on to the statute books.The government could then take the unusual step of using the Parliament Act to force it on to the statute books.
Peers may also attempt
But despite David Cameron's backing for the bill - part of efforts to prove he is serious about holding a referendum - he may opt not to take such a step.But despite David Cameron's backing for the bill - part of efforts to prove he is serious about holding a referendum - he may opt not to take such a step.
Among the peers to have signed up to speak in the debate are former Conservative chancellors Lord Howe of Aberavon and Lord Lawson of Blaby, former Labour leader and EU commissioner Lord Kinnock, Conservative and former EU commissioner Lord Tugendhat, ex-cabinet secretaries Lord Turnbull and Lord Armstrong of Ilminster, and crossbench peer and historian Lord Hennessy of Nympsfield.Among the peers to have signed up to speak in the debate are former Conservative chancellors Lord Howe of Aberavon and Lord Lawson of Blaby, former Labour leader and EU commissioner Lord Kinnock, Conservative and former EU commissioner Lord Tugendhat, ex-cabinet secretaries Lord Turnbull and Lord Armstrong of Ilminster, and crossbench peer and historian Lord Hennessy of Nympsfield.
Lord Dobbs, the Conservative peer who is spearheading the bill's passage through the Lords, told Radio 4's Today programme that Europe had become a "pestilence in our political system" and "we need to get rid of this burden".Lord Dobbs, the Conservative peer who is spearheading the bill's passage through the Lords, told Radio 4's Today programme that Europe had become a "pestilence in our political system" and "we need to get rid of this burden".
"Nobody below the age of 60 has ever had a chance to have a say on this issue," he said."Nobody below the age of 60 has ever had a chance to have a say on this issue," he said.
"We need to decide one way or another whether we are going to stick with Europe or leave.""We need to decide one way or another whether we are going to stick with Europe or leave."
But Labour peer and former European Commissioner Lord Mandelson said the threat of British exit would "diminish not enhance to get much-needed reforms in Europe".But Labour peer and former European Commissioner Lord Mandelson said the threat of British exit would "diminish not enhance to get much-needed reforms in Europe".
"A referendum is a very blunt instrument that needs to be handled with great care," he told the same programme."A referendum is a very blunt instrument that needs to be handled with great care," he told the same programme.
"Membership of the European Union is absolutely fundamental to British interests.""Membership of the European Union is absolutely fundamental to British interests."
James Wharton has acknowledged his bill would have a tougher time in the upper house but said: "For an unelected house to deny the British people a say on a bill which has been passed by the elected House of Commons, I think, would put them in a very difficult position."James Wharton has acknowledged his bill would have a tougher time in the upper house but said: "For an unelected house to deny the British people a say on a bill which has been passed by the elected House of Commons, I think, would put them in a very difficult position."
It is unlikely there will be a vote in the Lords later, but the debate will set the scene for divisions to come.It is unlikely there will be a vote in the Lords later, but the debate will set the scene for divisions to come.
Both the prime minister's deputy Nick Clegg and Labour leader Ed Miliband have warned of the uncertainty and damage to business they say would be caused by holding a referendum.Both the prime minister's deputy Nick Clegg and Labour leader Ed Miliband have warned of the uncertainty and damage to business they say would be caused by holding a referendum.