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| Doreen Lawrence says sections of police 'still racist' | Doreen Lawrence says sections of police 'still racist' |
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| The mother of murdered London teenager Stephen Lawrence has said she believes parts of the police are still racist. | The mother of murdered London teenager Stephen Lawrence has said she believes parts of the police are still racist. |
| Speaking 15 years after the Macpherson Report branded the Metropolitan Police force "institutionally racist", Baroness Lawrence said some attitudes "haven't changed much". | Speaking 15 years after the Macpherson Report branded the Metropolitan Police force "institutionally racist", Baroness Lawrence said some attitudes "haven't changed much". |
| She said stop and search measures continued to be unfair. | She said stop and search measures continued to be unfair. |
| Met Deputy Commissioner Craig Mackie said the force had made "huge progress" with stop and searches. | Met Deputy Commissioner Craig Mackie said the force had made "huge progress" with stop and searches. |
| Speaking on Radio 4's Today programme, Baroness Lawrence said: "Things have changed, I presume laws have changed but I think a lot of police attitude hasn't changed much. | Speaking on Radio 4's Today programme, Baroness Lawrence said: "Things have changed, I presume laws have changed but I think a lot of police attitude hasn't changed much. |
| "You still have a great deal of stop and search on the street, you still have members of the community complaining about how police are treating them," she said. | "You still have a great deal of stop and search on the street, you still have members of the community complaining about how police are treating them," she said. |
| Asked if she thought the police were still institutionally racist, she said: "In some areas, yes I do." | Asked if she thought the police were still institutionally racist, she said: "In some areas, yes I do." |
| The Macpherson Report, into the investigation of the Stephen Lawrence case, was released on 22 February 1999 and contained 70 key recommendations. | The Macpherson Report, into the investigation of the Stephen Lawrence case, was released on 22 February 1999 and contained 70 key recommendations. |
| It highlighted "fundamental errors" after the murder. | It highlighted "fundamental errors" after the murder. |
| "At the time, when the inquiry happened and the report came out, yes it was a landmark, yes it made a difference, yes it allowed people to be more open, to talk about racism," Baroness Lawrence said. | "At the time, when the inquiry happened and the report came out, yes it was a landmark, yes it made a difference, yes it allowed people to be more open, to talk about racism," Baroness Lawrence said. |
| However, she added: "I still think there are underlying things where people believe that they can still get away with racism, especially within the police." | However, she added: "I still think there are underlying things where people believe that they can still get away with racism, especially within the police." |
| Mr Mackie, who is the national police lead on stop and search, said he "absolutely" understood Baroness Lawrence's "feelings and sentiments" and said issues around racism were still "hugely sensitive". | |
| He said the force "absolutely got the message around stop and search", saying the Met has made "real progress" around the issue in London. | He said the force "absolutely got the message around stop and search", saying the Met has made "real progress" around the issue in London. |
| He said the use of Section 60, which allowed police officers to stop and search a person without reasonable suspicion, had been cut by 90%. | He said the use of Section 60, which allowed police officers to stop and search a person without reasonable suspicion, had been cut by 90%. |
| Mr Mackie added: "If you look at the work we are doing in London at the moment we know we have made real progress and there are some really good examples of where we are moving forward." | Mr Mackie added: "If you look at the work we are doing in London at the moment we know we have made real progress and there are some really good examples of where we are moving forward." |
| But he said the force knew there was more to do on this issue. | But he said the force knew there was more to do on this issue. |
| Baroness Lawrence, Stephen's brother Stuart Lawrence and Commander Mak Chishty, of the Met Police, will debate the issues on the BBC News Channel at 17:35 GMT on 24 February. |