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Doreen Lawrence says sections of police 'still racist' Doreen Lawrence says sections of police 'still racist'
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The mother of murdered London teenager Stephen Lawrence has said she believes parts of the police are still racist.The mother of murdered London teenager Stephen Lawrence has said she believes parts of the police are still racist.
Speaking 15 years after the Macpherson Report branded the Metropolitan Police force "institutionally racist", Baroness Lawrence said some attitudes "haven't changed much".Speaking 15 years after the Macpherson Report branded the Metropolitan Police force "institutionally racist", Baroness Lawrence said some attitudes "haven't changed much".
She said stop and search measures continued to be unfair.She said stop and search measures continued to be unfair.
Met Deputy Commissioner Craig Mackie said the force had made "huge progress" over stop and search policy.Met Deputy Commissioner Craig Mackie said the force had made "huge progress" over stop and search policy.
Speaking on Radio 4's Today programme, Baroness Lawrence revealed how she closes her bag when she goes into shops so she cannot be accused of shoplifting.Speaking on Radio 4's Today programme, Baroness Lawrence revealed how she closes her bag when she goes into shops so she cannot be accused of shoplifting.
She said: "You make sure that you are walking in a way that your bag is closed so nobody can look to accuse you of anything. That fear is there."She said: "You make sure that you are walking in a way that your bag is closed so nobody can look to accuse you of anything. That fear is there."
Hugely sensitiveHugely sensitive
Asked about the shooting of Mark Duggan, which sparked riots across England, Baroness Lawrence said: "It seems as if it's more acceptable" when a black person is killed.Asked about the shooting of Mark Duggan, which sparked riots across England, Baroness Lawrence said: "It seems as if it's more acceptable" when a black person is killed.
She said: "Things have changed, I presume laws have changed but I think a lot of police attitude hasn't changed much.She said: "Things have changed, I presume laws have changed but I think a lot of police attitude hasn't changed much.
"You still have a great deal of stop and search on the street, you still have members of the community complaining about how police are treating them," she said."You still have a great deal of stop and search on the street, you still have members of the community complaining about how police are treating them," she said.
Asked if she thought the police were still institutionally racist, she said: "In some areas, yes I do."Asked if she thought the police were still institutionally racist, she said: "In some areas, yes I do."
The Macpherson Report, into the investigation of the Stephen Lawrence case, was released on 22 February 1999 and contained 70 key recommendations.The Macpherson Report, into the investigation of the Stephen Lawrence case, was released on 22 February 1999 and contained 70 key recommendations.
It highlighted "fundamental errors" after the murder.It highlighted "fundamental errors" after the murder.
"At the time, when the inquiry happened and the report came out, yes it was a landmark, yes it made a difference, yes it allowed people to be more open, to talk about racism," Baroness Lawrence said."At the time, when the inquiry happened and the report came out, yes it was a landmark, yes it made a difference, yes it allowed people to be more open, to talk about racism," Baroness Lawrence said.
However, she added: "I still think there are underlying things where people believe that they can still get away with racism, especially within the police."However, she added: "I still think there are underlying things where people believe that they can still get away with racism, especially within the police."
Mr Mackie, who is the national police lead on stop and search, said he "absolutely" understood Baroness Lawrence's "feelings and sentiments" and said issues around racism were still "hugely sensitive". Duwayne Brooks, Mr Lawrence's friend who was with him on the night of his murder, called on the Met to publish a "progress report" into how it had changed
He said many black people still thought the Met was racist, adding that "the police need to so something about that".
'Moving forward'
Mr Brooks, who is now a councillor in Lewisham, south London, told the BBC: "How do we know that the Met have actually taken on board these recommendations? We don't.
"We have never had a progress report and 15 years on, today we should have been given that report."
Mr Mackie, who is the national police lead on stop and search, said said issues around racism were still "hugely sensitive".
He said the force "absolutely got the message around stop and search", saying the Met has made "real progress" around the issue in London.He said the force "absolutely got the message around stop and search", saying the Met has made "real progress" around the issue in London.
He said the use of Section 60, which allowed police officers to stop and search a person without reasonable suspicion, had been cut by 90%.He said the use of Section 60, which allowed police officers to stop and search a person without reasonable suspicion, had been cut by 90%.
Mr Mackie added: "If you look at the work we are doing in London at the moment we know we have made real progress and there are some really good examples of where we are moving forward."Mr Mackie added: "If you look at the work we are doing in London at the moment we know we have made real progress and there are some really good examples of where we are moving forward."
But he said the force knew there was more to do on this issue.But he said the force knew there was more to do on this issue.
Baroness Lawrence, Stephen's brother Stuart Lawrence and Commander Mak Chishty, of the Met Police, will debate the issues on the BBC News Channel at 17:35 GMT on 24 February.Baroness Lawrence, Stephen's brother Stuart Lawrence and Commander Mak Chishty, of the Met Police, will debate the issues on the BBC News Channel at 17:35 GMT on 24 February.