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| Parliament debates defence spending and the summer budget - Politics live | Parliament debates defence spending and the summer budget - Politics live |
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| Afternoon summary | Afternoon summary |
| That’s all from me for today. Andrew Sparrow will be back tomorrow. | That’s all from me for today. Andrew Sparrow will be back tomorrow. |
| Thanks for all the comments and tweets. | Thanks for all the comments and tweets. |
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| Total Politics is reporting that one of Labour’s London mayoral candidates, Tessa Jowell – who was shadow olympics minister – has joined the Chime Specialist Group, part of international marketing group Chime Communcations, as its non-executive chairman. | Total Politics is reporting that one of Labour’s London mayoral candidates, Tessa Jowell – who was shadow olympics minister – has joined the Chime Specialist Group, part of international marketing group Chime Communcations, as its non-executive chairman. |
| According to a statement, the former culture secretary will help “achieve a new common purpose that builds resilience into business and society”. | According to a statement, the former culture secretary will help “achieve a new common purpose that builds resilience into business and society”. |
| Chime, which has focused on sports marketing since the sale of its Bell Pottinger-branded PR agencies to Chime’s founder Lord Bell, earned about £30m from the London Games, increasing its profits by 70% to £25.3m in 2012. | Chime, which has focused on sports marketing since the sale of its Bell Pottinger-branded PR agencies to Chime’s founder Lord Bell, earned about £30m from the London Games, increasing its profits by 70% to £25.3m in 2012. |
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| Cameron suffers first government defeat over devolving powers to local authorities | Cameron suffers first government defeat over devolving powers to local authorities |
| Rowena Mason | Rowena Mason |
| David Cameron has suffered his government’s first defeat of the parliament in the House of Lords over its legislation that devolves greater powers to local authorities. | David Cameron has suffered his government’s first defeat of the parliament in the House of Lords over its legislation that devolves greater powers to local authorities. |
| Labour teamed up with the Lib Dems to pass an amendment to the Cities and Local Government Devolution Bill, which will require ministers to report annually on devolution. | Labour teamed up with the Lib Dems to pass an amendment to the Cities and Local Government Devolution Bill, which will require ministers to report annually on devolution. |
| William McKenzie of Luton for Labour said the amendment was “entirely supportive” of the government’s overall plans, which will devolve key powers to those cities and combined authorities that choose to have elected mayors. | William McKenzie of Luton for Labour said the amendment was “entirely supportive” of the government’s overall plans, which will devolve key powers to those cities and combined authorities that choose to have elected mayors. |
| He said the aim was to act a “driver of best practice” and a “bulwark” against any councils tempted to “linger in the slow lane”. | He said the aim was to act a “driver of best practice” and a “bulwark” against any councils tempted to “linger in the slow lane”. |
| The minor change - passed by 219 votes to 162 - is not particularly significant in itself but it shows the amount of power Labour and the Liberal Democrats are likely to have in the Lords over the course of this parliament. | The minor change - passed by 219 votes to 162 - is not particularly significant in itself but it shows the amount of power Labour and the Liberal Democrats are likely to have in the Lords over the course of this parliament. |
| Because it lacks a Conservative majority in the Lords, the government may lose a number of other votes this week including possibly a joint Labour-Lib Dem amendment on Tuesday to allow 16 and 17 year olds to vote in local elections. | Because it lacks a Conservative majority in the Lords, the government may lose a number of other votes this week including possibly a joint Labour-Lib Dem amendment on Tuesday to allow 16 and 17 year olds to vote in local elections. |
| Some of the bills currently passing through the Lords are largely backed by the opposition, such as the Psychoactive Substances Bill. | Some of the bills currently passing through the Lords are largely backed by the opposition, such as the Psychoactive Substances Bill. |
| However, there is a chance that more contentious legal changes could be defeated in their entirety by Labour and Lib Dem peers as the parliament progresses. | However, there is a chance that more contentious legal changes could be defeated in their entirety by Labour and Lib Dem peers as the parliament progresses. |
| This could include changes to the Hunting Act to relax the ban on foxhunting, which are set to be voted on in the Commons this week. | This could include changes to the Hunting Act to relax the ban on foxhunting, which are set to be voted on in the Commons this week. |
| If that passes on Wednesday, it would go to the House of Lords in the autumn but would probably struggle to get through. | If that passes on Wednesday, it would go to the House of Lords in the autumn but would probably struggle to get through. |
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| Journalists on Twitter are saying that Harman will tell Labour MPs to abstain on the government’s welfare bill, but not to block it. The Parliamentary Labour Party will meet this evening to discuss/argue about the acting leader’s decision not to oppose bill. | Journalists on Twitter are saying that Harman will tell Labour MPs to abstain on the government’s welfare bill, but not to block it. The Parliamentary Labour Party will meet this evening to discuss/argue about the acting leader’s decision not to oppose bill. |
| Harriet Harman also sticking to her guns on child tax credit - Labour MPs will be whipped to abstain on welfare bill next week, not block it | Harriet Harman also sticking to her guns on child tax credit - Labour MPs will be whipped to abstain on welfare bill next week, not block it |
| PLP showdown set: Harman to tell Labour MPs to abstain on welfare bill next week, rather than oppose. | PLP showdown set: Harman to tell Labour MPs to abstain on welfare bill next week, rather than oppose. |
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| BREAKING: London Underground drivers are to stage another 24-hour strike, from 9.30pm on Wednesday August 5th | BREAKING: London Underground drivers are to stage another 24-hour strike, from 9.30pm on Wednesday August 5th |
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| Shadow communities and local government secretary, Emma Reynolds, is reponding to Greg Clark’s comments on the budget. The chancellor gave with one hand but took away so much more with the other, she says. | Shadow communities and local government secretary, Emma Reynolds, is reponding to Greg Clark’s comments on the budget. The chancellor gave with one hand but took away so much more with the other, she says. |
| Asked if she will vote against the budget, Reynolds says yes. It is regressive. Though she says there are some things in the budget she thinks are good, especially the things that were actually in the Labour manifesto (like the policy on non-doms and an increased minimum wage). | Asked if she will vote against the budget, Reynolds says yes. It is regressive. Though she says there are some things in the budget she thinks are good, especially the things that were actually in the Labour manifesto (like the policy on non-doms and an increased minimum wage). |
| We must reverse the tradition of hoarding power in Whitehall and give power to communities, she says. Reynolds argues that the Tory rhetoric on the Northern powerhouse sounds hollow to people as the North has suffered the most from budget cuts. | We must reverse the tradition of hoarding power in Whitehall and give power to communities, she says. Reynolds argues that the Tory rhetoric on the Northern powerhouse sounds hollow to people as the North has suffered the most from budget cuts. |
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| Parliament continues to debate the budget | Parliament continues to debate the budget |
| The House is now debating the budget again. Greg Clark, the secretary of state for communities and local government, has kicked off by describing Labour’s response to the budget as an “omnishambles ”. | The House is now debating the budget again. Greg Clark, the secretary of state for communities and local government, has kicked off by describing Labour’s response to the budget as an “omnishambles ”. |
| Boris Johnson has said that London is building more homes than it has since the 1980s and a record number of affordable ones. London is on target to build more homes since the 1930s, the mayor of London says. | Boris Johnson has said that London is building more homes than it has since the 1980s and a record number of affordable ones. London is on target to build more homes since the 1930s, the mayor of London says. |
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| Robert Jenrick MP asked Fallon what support the ministry of defence was providing to Ukraine. He says “plucky Lithuania” has become the first country to openly arm the Ukrainians. | Robert Jenrick MP asked Fallon what support the ministry of defence was providing to Ukraine. He says “plucky Lithuania” has become the first country to openly arm the Ukrainians. |
| Fallon said he could update the House that the UK had delivered 3,000 combat helmets, goggles and first aid kits to Ukrainian forces. It has trained some 850 personnel, will step-up training over the summer, and will provide further equipment, but will not provide lethal weapons, he said. | Fallon said he could update the House that the UK had delivered 3,000 combat helmets, goggles and first aid kits to Ukrainian forces. It has trained some 850 personnel, will step-up training over the summer, and will provide further equipment, but will not provide lethal weapons, he said. |
| “We stand firm with Ukraine in the face of Russian aggression and we continue to assist the defence of its sovereignty, independence and territory,” said Fallon. | “We stand firm with Ukraine in the face of Russian aggression and we continue to assist the defence of its sovereignty, independence and territory,” said Fallon. |
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| Almost 14k people have signed Jeremy Corbyn's petition against Harman-backed plans to limit child tax credit http://t.co/mOA1Ev1AQI | Almost 14k people have signed Jeremy Corbyn's petition against Harman-backed plans to limit child tax credit http://t.co/mOA1Ev1AQI |
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| Graham Allen MP asks Fallon whether he thinks there is less or more fundamentalist religious terrorism since the invasion in Iraq, and the intervention in Afghanistan and Libya. | Graham Allen MP asks Fallon whether he thinks there is less or more fundamentalist religious terrorism since the invasion in Iraq, and the intervention in Afghanistan and Libya. |
| Fallon says the UK’s contribution in Libya to preventing an imminent massacre in Benghazi and its work in Afghanistan and Iraq have all been legitimate and valuable endeavours. | Fallon says the UK’s contribution in Libya to preventing an imminent massacre in Benghazi and its work in Afghanistan and Iraq have all been legitimate and valuable endeavours. |
| Ukip’s Douglas Carswell thanks Fallon for announcing a key Ukip policy to commit to 2% spending on defence. But asks: “When might the government hit the 2% target without cooking the books?” | Ukip’s Douglas Carswell thanks Fallon for announcing a key Ukip policy to commit to 2% spending on defence. But asks: “When might the government hit the 2% target without cooking the books?” |
| Fallon said he’s made it clear that no books will be cooked and that anything included in the 2% will meet the Nato guidelines. | Fallon said he’s made it clear that no books will be cooked and that anything included in the 2% will meet the Nato guidelines. |
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| Vernon Coaker asks whether Fallon can confirm that – according to Nato rules – only intelligence operations in support of the military can be used to contribute to the 2% target and whether the government used this definition or not. | Vernon Coaker asks whether Fallon can confirm that – according to Nato rules – only intelligence operations in support of the military can be used to contribute to the 2% target and whether the government used this definition or not. |
| Fallon says it is for Nato to classify what can be counted. He adds that where there is money spent on defence in the defence budget, it should count towards the 2% total. | Fallon says it is for Nato to classify what can be counted. He adds that where there is money spent on defence in the defence budget, it should count towards the 2% total. |
| See Fallon’s Today programme interview this morning. | See Fallon’s Today programme interview this morning. |
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| Sir Gerald Howarth MP has asked Philip Dunne, a minister for defence procurement, for more clarity on how the government planned to meet the 2% defence spending target. | Sir Gerald Howarth MP has asked Philip Dunne, a minister for defence procurement, for more clarity on how the government planned to meet the 2% defence spending target. |
| He said the budget says at clause 2.22 that the government will raise defence spending by 0.5% per year in real terms by 2020. But, he asks, how can the government meet the defence target without raiding other budgets when the economy will grow at rate of 3%. | He said the budget says at clause 2.22 that the government will raise defence spending by 0.5% per year in real terms by 2020. But, he asks, how can the government meet the defence target without raiding other budgets when the economy will grow at rate of 3%. |
| Dunne responds simply that there will be more time to debate the details in a private members bill that Howarth has secured. He says simply that the 2% target will be met. | Dunne responds simply that there will be more time to debate the details in a private members bill that Howarth has secured. He says simply that the 2% target will be met. |
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| Labour’s shadow defence minister, Vernon Coaker, has asked Fallon for reassurance that any proposals from the government to start airstrikes in Syria have clear objectives and fit with the overall strategy in the region. | Labour’s shadow defence minister, Vernon Coaker, has asked Fallon for reassurance that any proposals from the government to start airstrikes in Syria have clear objectives and fit with the overall strategy in the region. |
| Fallon said he welcomed the approach of the opposition on this issue – Labour has indicated that it would support proposals to launch air strikes in Syria. He said the government was not planning to come forward with proposals yet, but that he acknowledged that the situation in Syria is very different to that in Iraq and that the government’s strategy must reflect that. | Fallon said he welcomed the approach of the opposition on this issue – Labour has indicated that it would support proposals to launch air strikes in Syria. He said the government was not planning to come forward with proposals yet, but that he acknowledged that the situation in Syria is very different to that in Iraq and that the government’s strategy must reflect that. |
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