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| Republican debate: Donald Trump still focus of campaign after sprawling fight – as it happened | Republican debate: Donald Trump still focus of campaign after sprawling fight – as it happened |
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| We’re going to close out our live coverage of the debates, but you can read a summary of the main event here, a summary of the consolation debate here, and a story on the debate, by the Guardian’s DC bureau chief Dan Roberts, here. | We’re going to close out our live coverage of the debates, but you can read a summary of the main event here, a summary of the consolation debate here, and a story on the debate, by the Guardian’s DC bureau chief Dan Roberts, here. |
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| Donald Trump was a crowd favorite at Red State Gathering, an annual conservative conference in Atlanta, Georgia on Thursday, but that doesn’t mean he’s the candidate that these GOP activists plan on voting for. | Donald Trump was a crowd favorite at Red State Gathering, an annual conservative conference in Atlanta, Georgia on Thursday, but that doesn’t mean he’s the candidate that these GOP activists plan on voting for. |
| Trump drew oohs and aahs for all of his one-liners and braggadocio but there was underlying skepticism that he really was the type of conservative that the GOP needs. | Trump drew oohs and aahs for all of his one-liners and braggadocio but there was underlying skepticism that he really was the type of conservative that the GOP needs. |
| Martha Moore, who came to the event from Boerne, Texas, told the Guardian that while she thought Trump was “saying a lot of things that need to be said”, she didn’t trust his conservative bona fides. “I can’t really imagine us voting for him.” | Martha Moore, who came to the event from Boerne, Texas, told the Guardian that while she thought Trump was “saying a lot of things that need to be said”, she didn’t trust his conservative bona fides. “I can’t really imagine us voting for him.” |
| Her husband Pat was more of a Trump fan, however. He liked the real estate mogul because “he doesn’t back down”. But he had real concerns about Trump’s past support for “single-payer healthcare and other liberal things”. | Her husband Pat was more of a Trump fan, however. He liked the real estate mogul because “he doesn’t back down”. But he had real concerns about Trump’s past support for “single-payer healthcare and other liberal things”. |
| Perhaps the ultimate nightmare for Democrats was personified by a Trump fan named Pam Alayon. A Puerto-Rican American mother from Atlanta, Alayon had never voted but became engaged in politics by Trump’s candidacy. She had always thought all politicians were equally corrupt. In her mind, Trump was different: “He doesn’t give a shit.” | Perhaps the ultimate nightmare for Democrats was personified by a Trump fan named Pam Alayon. A Puerto-Rican American mother from Atlanta, Alayon had never voted but became engaged in politics by Trump’s candidacy. She had always thought all politicians were equally corrupt. In her mind, Trump was different: “He doesn’t give a shit.” |
| But after watching the debate, she had become far more skeptical about Trump’s candidacy. “He kept on repeating the same things,” she said. Instead, she was far more intrigued by Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz now. She felt they had more polish and answered questions in more appropriate ways. And even if some of the attraction of Trump had worn away, his candidacy had insured she would vote for the first time in her life this year. The real estate mogul had been the political version of “a gateway drug”. | But after watching the debate, she had become far more skeptical about Trump’s candidacy. “He kept on repeating the same things,” she said. Instead, she was far more intrigued by Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz now. She felt they had more polish and answered questions in more appropriate ways. And even if some of the attraction of Trump had worn away, his candidacy had insured she would vote for the first time in her life this year. The real estate mogul had been the political version of “a gateway drug”. |
| -Ben Jacobs | -Ben Jacobs |
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| The twist that all the Republican hopefuls for presisent [sic] have been dreading. John Kasich will be devastated. | The twist that all the Republican hopefuls for presisent [sic] have been dreading. John Kasich will be devastated. |
| I got my selfie!!! I really loved hearing her speak & hearing her goals for our country! #HillaryForPresisent pic.twitter.com/U1aqIzsvSu | I got my selfie!!! I really loved hearing her speak & hearing her goals for our country! #HillaryForPresisent pic.twitter.com/U1aqIzsvSu |
| This also at last suggests that Clinton really wasn’t watching the debate, as she emailed supporters earlier in the night to say. Or if she was it was with Kim Kardashian and Kanye West, whose political acumen (and likely donation dollars) will no doubt carry her to the White House. Or the West House. One of them, at minimum. | This also at last suggests that Clinton really wasn’t watching the debate, as she emailed supporters earlier in the night to say. Or if she was it was with Kim Kardashian and Kanye West, whose political acumen (and likely donation dollars) will no doubt carry her to the White House. Or the West House. One of them, at minimum. |
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| Google has released its search data from during the debate, and the winner is … the same man who’s been winning search traffic for weeks, Donald Trump. | Google has released its search data from during the debate, and the winner is … the same man who’s been winning search traffic for weeks, Donald Trump. |
| The most searched for candidates between 9-11pm ET: | The most searched for candidates between 9-11pm ET: |
| The trove of data also reveals that most Americans wanted to know how old or tall Jeb Bush is, how old Ben Carson is (and who is he, and is he running for president), and how much does Chris Christie weigh. | The trove of data also reveals that most Americans wanted to know how old or tall Jeb Bush is, how old Ben Carson is (and who is he, and is he running for president), and how much does Chris Christie weigh. |
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| Steven W Thrasher | Steven W Thrasher |
| We shouldn’t be surprised that #BlackLivesMatter would get short shrift in the first Republican debate, but seriously: less than one minute dedicated to the biggest social movement of our time? Just three days before the one-year anniversary of Mike Brown’s death, which began a new civil rights movement? | We shouldn’t be surprised that #BlackLivesMatter would get short shrift in the first Republican debate, but seriously: less than one minute dedicated to the biggest social movement of our time? Just three days before the one-year anniversary of Mike Brown’s death, which began a new civil rights movement? |
| The moderators essentially did not address any issues of criminal justice during the #GOPDebate. | The moderators essentially did not address any issues of criminal justice during the #GOPDebate. |
| It was 10:36pm on the East Coast by the time Megyn Kelly (who had been asking good questions most of the evening) posed one of the most awkward questions of the night. She directed her single debate topic on race and policing toward Governor Scott Walker of Wisconsin, asking him if it was a movement of our time, but really framing it around what to do when policing gets out of hand. | It was 10:36pm on the East Coast by the time Megyn Kelly (who had been asking good questions most of the evening) posed one of the most awkward questions of the night. She directed her single debate topic on race and policing toward Governor Scott Walker of Wisconsin, asking him if it was a movement of our time, but really framing it around what to do when policing gets out of hand. |
| Kelly addressed the question just to one man, and right before the commercial break – unlike many other sprawling topics from the debate, which were directed to really more candidates, with hopes of invoking the 30-second rebuttal. | Kelly addressed the question just to one man, and right before the commercial break – unlike many other sprawling topics from the debate, which were directed to really more candidates, with hopes of invoking the 30-second rebuttal. |
| Walker answered, predictably, that bad cops should face consequences, but that most cops are good. The governor dodged racism entirely. | Walker answered, predictably, that bad cops should face consequences, but that most cops are good. The governor dodged racism entirely. |
| And then, Fox News cut to commercial, playing a trailer for the Straight Outta Compton movie in at least one market. | And then, Fox News cut to commercial, playing a trailer for the Straight Outta Compton movie in at least one market. |
| Later on, the last question before closing statements was about race relations, and was addressed to Ben Carson. Again, it was only given to one person – the only black man on stage – and the debate moved on quickly after he dismissed the role of black skin in American society. | Later on, the last question before closing statements was about race relations, and was addressed to Ben Carson. Again, it was only given to one person – the only black man on stage – and the debate moved on quickly after he dismissed the role of black skin in American society. |
| So the pressing question of how Black Lives Matter was given less than two minutes, and was clearly not of much importance to the Republican Party. It still isn’t. | So the pressing question of how Black Lives Matter was given less than two minutes, and was clearly not of much importance to the Republican Party. It still isn’t. |
| —Steven W Thrasher | —Steven W Thrasher |
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| While all three moderators received much deserved praise tonight for strong questions, there was one significant omission. | While all three moderators received much deserved praise tonight for strong questions, there was one significant omission. |
| Just one day after top aides to Rand Paul’s superPAC, including the campaign manager of his 2010 Senate campaign, were indicted, there was no mention on the debate stage. | Just one day after top aides to Rand Paul’s superPAC, including the campaign manager of his 2010 Senate campaign, were indicted, there was no mention on the debate stage. |
| While Paul’s campaign claimed prosecutors were politically motivated, he has yet to address the substance of the charges. Tonight would have been a good time to bring it up and moderators didn’t. | While Paul’s campaign claimed prosecutors were politically motivated, he has yet to address the substance of the charges. Tonight would have been a good time to bring it up and moderators didn’t. |
| -Ben Jacobs | -Ben Jacobs |
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| Mike Huckabee. “A lot of this election is about a person who’s high in the polls, who doesn’t have an idea how to govern, whose past is full of scandals. Of course I’m talking about Hillary Clinton.” Trump shouts “thank you” from afar. | Mike Huckabee. “A lot of this election is about a person who’s high in the polls, who doesn’t have an idea how to govern, whose past is full of scandals. Of course I’m talking about Hillary Clinton.” Trump shouts “thank you” from afar. |
| Scott Walker. “I’m a guy with a wife and two kids … one article called me ‘aggressively normal.’” He beat up some unions and won a recall election. “It wasn’t too late for Wisconsin, and it’s not too late for America.” | Scott Walker. “I’m a guy with a wife and two kids … one article called me ‘aggressively normal.’” He beat up some unions and won a recall election. “It wasn’t too late for Wisconsin, and it’s not too late for America.” |
| Jeb Bush. “We’re at the verge at the greatest time alive.” Immigration is broken but could be an economic driver. Embrace the energy revolution. “We can restore America’s leadership in the world so that everybody has the chance to rise up. I humbly urge you to vote whenever you get the chance to vote.” | Jeb Bush. “We’re at the verge at the greatest time alive.” Immigration is broken but could be an economic driver. Embrace the energy revolution. “We can restore America’s leadership in the world so that everybody has the chance to rise up. I humbly urge you to vote whenever you get the chance to vote.” |
| Donald Trump. “Our country is in serious trouble We don’t win anymore.” We don’t beat China or Mexico or Japan, those countries make so many cards. “We don’t do anything right. Our military has to be strengthened.” Trump. | Donald Trump. “Our country is in serious trouble We don’t win anymore.” We don’t beat China or Mexico or Japan, those countries make so many cards. “We don’t do anything right. Our military has to be strengthened.” Trump. |
| And it’s over. Even the moderators seem surprised. The candidates’ families shuffle onto stage, then slowly leave it. | And it’s over. Even the moderators seem surprised. The candidates’ families shuffle onto stage, then slowly leave it. |
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| Closing statements | Closing statements |
| John Kasich goes first. He was in the military. He helped budget a federal budget while in Congress that one time. He really wants people in Ohio to feel hopeful. | John Kasich goes first. He was in the military. He helped budget a federal budget while in Congress that one time. He really wants people in Ohio to feel hopeful. |
| Chris Christie goes second. He’s from New Jersey. His dad made ice cream at a factory. He says he put terrorists in jail after September 11. He ignores the time limit ding, and he says he really doesn’t worry about being respected. | Chris Christie goes second. He’s from New Jersey. His dad made ice cream at a factory. He says he put terrorists in jail after September 11. He ignores the time limit ding, and he says he really doesn’t worry about being respected. |
| Rand Paul. I’m a different kind of Republican. He filibustered for 10-and-a-half hours to defend “your right to be left alone”. He went to Ferguson and Baltimore because he wants Republicans to be “bigger and better”. | Rand Paul. I’m a different kind of Republican. He filibustered for 10-and-a-half hours to defend “your right to be left alone”. He went to Ferguson and Baltimore because he wants Republicans to be “bigger and better”. |
| Marco Rubio. His parents were born poor on Cuba, his father was a bartender. Let’s expand the American dream, everybody, and make a “new American century” while we’re at it. | Marco Rubio. His parents were born poor on Cuba, his father was a bartender. Let’s expand the American dream, everybody, and make a “new American century” while we’re at it. |
| Ted Cruz. “The first hting I intend to do is rescind every illegal action taken by Barack Obama.” The second thing he’ll do in office is investigate and prosecute Planned Parenthood. Then he’ll defend religious liberty. Then he’ll tear up the Iran deal, and then he’ll move the US embassy in Israel to Jerusalem. | Ted Cruz. “The first hting I intend to do is rescind every illegal action taken by Barack Obama.” The second thing he’ll do in office is investigate and prosecute Planned Parenthood. Then he’ll defend religious liberty. Then he’ll tear up the Iran deal, and then he’ll move the US embassy in Israel to Jerusalem. |
| Ben Carson. “I’m the only one to separate Siamese twins.” He’s going to “pick up the baton of freedom.” | Ben Carson. “I’m the only one to separate Siamese twins.” He’s going to “pick up the baton of freedom.” |
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| Marco Rubio answers the question by saying that the Republican party is “blessed” to have so many good candidates when “the Democrats can’t even field one.” | Marco Rubio answers the question by saying that the Republican party is “blessed” to have so many good candidates when “the Democrats can’t even field one.” |
| Then he talks about Veterans Affairs. It’s not clear why, or even what he’s saying, but A for effort at bringing up an otherwise ignored issue. | Then he talks about Veterans Affairs. It’s not clear why, or even what he’s saying, but A for effort at bringing up an otherwise ignored issue. |
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| The final question, from Facebook: “I want to know if any of them have received a word from God on what they should do and take care of first.” | The final question, from Facebook: “I want to know if any of them have received a word from God on what they should do and take care of first.” |
| “I’m blessed to receive a word from God every day,” says Ted Cruz. “I’m the son of a pastor and an evangelist.” He quotes scripture, “we should know them by their fruit,” and says that the party needs “consistent conservatives” to win the election. | “I’m blessed to receive a word from God every day,” says Ted Cruz. “I’m the son of a pastor and an evangelist.” He quotes scripture, “we should know them by their fruit,” and says that the party needs “consistent conservatives” to win the election. |
| Thankfully he does not describe his fruit. | Thankfully he does not describe his fruit. |
| John Kasich gets the same question, and meanders a bit – his father was a mailman, we’ve really got to unite communities over this policing issue – before landing on a declaration about how God “wants America to be strong, he wants America to succeed.” | John Kasich gets the same question, and meanders a bit – his father was a mailman, we’ve really got to unite communities over this policing issue – before landing on a declaration about how God “wants America to be strong, he wants America to succeed.” |
| Scott Walker get sacramental: “I’m certainly an imperfect man, and it’s only by the blood of Jesus Christ that I’ve been redeemed from my sins.” | Scott Walker get sacramental: “I’m certainly an imperfect man, and it’s only by the blood of Jesus Christ that I’ve been redeemed from my sins.” |
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| And we’re back to questions about military/foreign policy. | And we’re back to questions about military/foreign policy. |
| 1. How weak is the American military? Is it weaker than it’s ever been since 9/11? Since 1940? Or since 1917? | 1. How weak is the American military? Is it weaker than it’s ever been since 9/11? Since 1940? Or since 1917? |
| 2. Which war must come first? In Ukraine, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Russia, China, Isisland or all of the above? | 2. Which war must come first? In Ukraine, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Russia, China, Isisland or all of the above? |
| 3. How would you strengthen the US military? Planes, boats, troops, missiles, sharks with frickin’ lasers? | 3. How would you strengthen the US military? Planes, boats, troops, missiles, sharks with frickin’ lasers? |
| 4. [finally! this question] Israel, yeah? Or very yeah? | 4. [finally! this question] Israel, yeah? Or very yeah? |
| -Jeb Lund | -Jeb Lund |
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| In case you missed it, Mike Huckabee’s magnanimous opinion about LGBT rights in the US military. | In case you missed it, Mike Huckabee’s magnanimous opinion about LGBT rights in the US military. |
| Huckabee on trans people: "The military is not a social experiment. The purpose of the military is to kill people and break things." Christ. | Huckabee on trans people: "The military is not a social experiment. The purpose of the military is to kill people and break things." Christ. |
| My colleague Ben Jacobs is keeping score. | My colleague Ben Jacobs is keeping score. |
| Mike Huckabee has now mentioned pimps, prostitutes and the B-52s tonight | Mike Huckabee has now mentioned pimps, prostitutes and the B-52s tonight |
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| Bret Baier asks Rand Paul about his first ever budget proposal for Congress, which cut foreign aid to Israel. | Bret Baier asks Rand Paul about his first ever budget proposal for Congress, which cut foreign aid to Israel. |
| Paul says he’s for cutting aid to countries “where they burn the American flag.” | Paul says he’s for cutting aid to countries “where they burn the American flag.” |
| “Israel’s not one of those, but even Binyamin Netanyahu said they’re going to be stronger when they’re independent. We shouldn’t borrow money from China to send it anywhere.” | “Israel’s not one of those, but even Binyamin Netanyahu said they’re going to be stronger when they’re independent. We shouldn’t borrow money from China to send it anywhere.” |
| He says that “out of your surplus you can help your allies.” | He says that “out of your surplus you can help your allies.” |
| “We cannot give away money we don’t have. We do not project power from bankruptcy court. We’re borrowing a million dollars a minute, it’s got to stop somewhere.” | “We cannot give away money we don’t have. We do not project power from bankruptcy court. We’re borrowing a million dollars a minute, it’s got to stop somewhere.” |
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| Ted Cruz is now describing some kind of pan-Iranian-Kremlin conspiracy involving a cyberattack on Pentagon computers. He’s very emphatic about it. He was an accomplished debater in college, after all. | Ted Cruz is now describing some kind of pan-Iranian-Kremlin conspiracy involving a cyberattack on Pentagon computers. He’s very emphatic about it. He was an accomplished debater in college, after all. |
| Ben Carson mumbles his way through a question about foreign policy. Scott Walker, on his left, gives a knowing nod when Carson says “we’ve turned our back” on Israel. | Ben Carson mumbles his way through a question about foreign policy. Scott Walker, on his left, gives a knowing nod when Carson says “we’ve turned our back” on Israel. |
| Walker gets a question about Ukraine and Russian president Vladimir Putin. He gets in a quip about how Russian and Chinese hackers “probably know more about Hillary Clinton’s email server than do members of Congress.” | Walker gets a question about Ukraine and Russian president Vladimir Putin. He gets in a quip about how Russian and Chinese hackers “probably know more about Hillary Clinton’s email server than do members of Congress.” |
| He looks proud of that one. Then he gets to the question. | He looks proud of that one. Then he gets to the question. |
| “I would say weapons to Ukraine, I would work with Nato to get forces on the eastern border of Poland,” and he would even throw in a missile defense system in Poland and the Czech Republic. Back to the USSR for Walker. | “I would say weapons to Ukraine, I would work with Nato to get forces on the eastern border of Poland,” and he would even throw in a missile defense system in Poland and the Czech Republic. Back to the USSR for Walker. |
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| Moderator Bret Baier asks Trump about prisoner swaps with the Taliban and foreign policy in general in the Middle East. “I would be so different from what we have now.” | Moderator Bret Baier asks Trump about prisoner swaps with the Taliban and foreign policy in general in the Middle East. “I would be so different from what we have now.” |
| “I would say [Obama’s] incompetent but I don’t want to do that because it’s not nice. We get Bergdahl, a traitor, and they get five of the big great leaders of them all,” he says, in reference to Sgt Bowe Bergdahl, an American held prisoner by the Taliban for years, and eventually traded for several prisoners. | “I would say [Obama’s] incompetent but I don’t want to do that because it’s not nice. We get Bergdahl, a traitor, and they get five of the big great leaders of them all,” he says, in reference to Sgt Bowe Bergdahl, an American held prisoner by the Taliban for years, and eventually traded for several prisoners. |
| Leaders in Washington are “incompetent”, he says. A woman screams. “I agree,” Trump says. | Leaders in Washington are “incompetent”, he says. A woman screams. “I agree,” Trump says. |
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| The moderators ask Scott Walker about policing and police abuses, and the Wisconsin governor replies with a fairly milquetoast, if even-keeled, answer. | The moderators ask Scott Walker about policing and police abuses, and the Wisconsin governor replies with a fairly milquetoast, if even-keeled, answer. |
| “It’s about training, it’s about making sure that law enforcement professionals … have the proper training particularly when it comes to use of force.” | “It’s about training, it’s about making sure that law enforcement professionals … have the proper training particularly when it comes to use of force.” |
| He does appear to support prosecution in some cases, though, saying that “for the very few who don’t” follow the rules of the US, “there are consequences to show that we treat everyone the same in America.” | He does appear to support prosecution in some cases, though, saying that “for the very few who don’t” follow the rules of the US, “there are consequences to show that we treat everyone the same in America.” |
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| Bush denies having called Trump “a clown”, “a buffoon”, and a swearword he tries to stop Kelly saying out loud, but he says that the mogul’s tone is “divisive”. | Bush denies having called Trump “a clown”, “a buffoon”, and a swearword he tries to stop Kelly saying out loud, but he says that the mogul’s tone is “divisive”. |
| This pleases Trump. The billionaire says that Bush is “a true gentleman, he really is.” | This pleases Trump. The billionaire says that Bush is “a true gentleman, he really is.” |
| But he defends his tone, saying it’s necessary to talk tough when “you have people that are cutting Christians’ heads of, and when you have a world and a border where in so many places it’s almost medieval times.” | But he defends his tone, saying it’s necessary to talk tough when “you have people that are cutting Christians’ heads of, and when you have a world and a border where in so many places it’s almost medieval times.” |
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