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Ministers confirm Australia will be involved in military action in Syria for years – politics live Ministers confirm Australia will be involved in military action in Syria for years – politics live
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4.19am BST04:19
Workplace minister Eric Abetz is now speaking to reporters about the jobless figures. Abetz says a 6-5-4-3-2 or a 1 in front of the national unemployment figure is unacceptable. (This might surprise economists, given there is a concept called the natural rate of unemployment, and I’m pretty sure that number is higher than 1.)
Abetz then throws off economic orthodoxy again by declaring he wants a different measure of employment.
I’ve said this in the past and I don’t know why it is, but the economists tell me that if you are employed for one hour per week, you are considered to be in employment.
I think we would all be agreed that that is an insufficient period of employment to be considered employed.
(Goooooo Eric.)
He then suggests if the China FTA was in force unemployment would be much better in South Australia because the wine tariff would be gone. (Never mind the car industry. Never mind ship building. If unemployment is the question he wine tariff is the answer.)
Yes, three top shelf insights, and I haven’t reached the Christians yet. I’ll deal with that in the next post.
3.57am BST03:57
Bowen is asked why he’s wagging parliament. (Because it suited me and the Canning campaign to visit today.) He’s then asked what he thinks of the China FTA. (He likes the FTA but he thinks Tony Abbott should address Labor’s concerns like John Howard did in 2004.) He’s then asked whether he’ll guarantee jobs when the carbon tax comes back. (We believe in investing in renewable energy to create jobs.)
3.47am BST03:47
Meanwhile, going west.
Chris Bowen always looks like he's just missed out on the last muffin at his favourite cafe. He's in #Canning today. pic.twitter.com/5SP13zqmFw
Chris Bowen appears to have recovered his disappointment to observe that increasing the GST would see the average Canning resident paying $1200 extra a year. The good people of Canning can send Tony Abbott a message that they don’t care for that by voting for Labor’s candidate.
Bowen:
He’ll be a great member of parliament, an important addition to an already great delegation from Western Australia with the senators. We need a strong voice for Canning in Canberra, in the Labor team. A strong voice in the next Labor government standing up for the people of Western Australia.
3.37am BST03:373.37am BST03:37
Plibersek says no to ground troops in SyriaPlibersek says no to ground troops in Syria
Labor’s deputy leader Tanya Plibersek is being interviewed on Sky News. She says she’ll be briefed later today by officials about the Syrian military deployment. She says the humanitarian response and the political solution is far more important in Syria than the military campaign. Labor’s deputy leader Tanya Plibersek is being interviewed on Sky News. She says she’ll be briefed later today by officials about the Syrian military deployment. She says the humanitarian response and the ultimate political solution is far more important in Syria than the military campaign.
Plibersek is asked whether Labor would support the deployment of ground troops.Plibersek is asked whether Labor would support the deployment of ground troops.
No, I don’t think Australia should be sending troops into Syria.No, I don’t think Australia should be sending troops into Syria.
She says Australia should not become involved in Syria militarily, given the risks of being drawn into a proxy war for control of Syria between Russia and Iran and other players.She says Australia should not become involved in Syria militarily, given the risks of being drawn into a proxy war for control of Syria between Russia and Iran and other players.
Q: But we are involved, militarily?Q: But we are involved, militarily?
Plibersek says we aren’t. Australia is proposing to conduct airstrikes in Syria as part of the defence of Iraq.Plibersek says we aren’t. Australia is proposing to conduct airstrikes in Syria as part of the defence of Iraq.
She’s then asked about Scott Morrison’s insistence that Christian minorities will make up the bulk of the refugee cohort.She’s then asked about Scott Morrison’s insistence that Christian minorities will make up the bulk of the refugee cohort.
I think we need to look after the most vulnerable people.I think we need to look after the most vulnerable people.
Updated at 3.38am BST
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A few questions on the China free trade deal.A few questions on the China free trade deal.
Q: Some unions have said you have to renegotiate with Beijing. Do you think concerns can be addressed to a satisfactory level without renegotiating the free trade agreement?Q: Some unions have said you have to renegotiate with Beijing. Do you think concerns can be addressed to a satisfactory level without renegotiating the free trade agreement?
Brendan O’Connor:Brendan O’Connor:
It would be really good if Tony Abbott sat down with Bill Shorten and Penny Wong and Andrew Robb and we worked these things through.It would be really good if Tony Abbott sat down with Bill Shorten and Penny Wong and Andrew Robb and we worked these things through.
3.15am BST03:153.15am BST03:15
O’Connor is asked about the reasoning from the mysterious government officials (the ones who erroneously told some news outlets that unemployment was going to increase this month) – that a change in the jobless rate relates to the changes in Newstart rules forcing unemployed people to undertake short training courses to apply for up to 20 jobs a month.O’Connor is asked about the reasoning from the mysterious government officials (the ones who erroneously told some news outlets that unemployment was going to increase this month) – that a change in the jobless rate relates to the changes in Newstart rules forcing unemployed people to undertake short training courses to apply for up to 20 jobs a month.
He thinks this is an alibi, and an overstated one at that.He thinks this is an alibi, and an overstated one at that.
3.06am BST03:063.06am BST03:06
Labor’s employment spokesman Brendan O’Connor is first to the open microphone on the jobless figures. He says any unemployment rate with a six in front of it is too high.Labor’s employment spokesman Brendan O’Connor is first to the open microphone on the jobless figures. He says any unemployment rate with a six in front of it is too high.
What we have here is an unemployment rate that is still very high.What we have here is an unemployment rate that is still very high.
3.02am BST03:023.02am BST03:02
Some press conferences coming up shortly on the new unemployment number.Some press conferences coming up shortly on the new unemployment number.
In the interim, for completeness, here is what the prime minister said this morning in Moresby when asked about the Morrison comments about Christians.In the interim, for completeness, here is what the prime minister said this morning in Moresby when asked about the Morrison comments about Christians.
Q: Prime minister, Scott Morrison says Australia will resettle persecuted minorities which will mainly be Christians. Do you agree that they should mainly be Christians?Q: Prime minister, Scott Morrison says Australia will resettle persecuted minorities which will mainly be Christians. Do you agree that they should mainly be Christians?
Tony Abbott:Tony Abbott:
Well, we’re resettling persecuted minorities – people who cannot realistically ever hope to return. Now, there are many persecuted minorities in Syria and in Iraq, many persecuted minorities in the Middle East. There are persecuted Muslim minorities, there are persecuted non-Muslim minorities, and we are looking to resettle the members of persecuted minorities who can never realistically expect to go back to their homes.Well, we’re resettling persecuted minorities – people who cannot realistically ever hope to return. Now, there are many persecuted minorities in Syria and in Iraq, many persecuted minorities in the Middle East. There are persecuted Muslim minorities, there are persecuted non-Muslim minorities, and we are looking to resettle the members of persecuted minorities who can never realistically expect to go back to their homes.
Some will be Muslim, some will be Christian, but the point is: these are people who have been displaced by war and because of the changes engulfing the Middle East, it’s unlikely that they will ever, ever be able to go back.Some will be Muslim, some will be Christian, but the point is: these are people who have been displaced by war and because of the changes engulfing the Middle East, it’s unlikely that they will ever, ever be able to go back.
The Morrison comment, this morning, again for completeness.The Morrison comment, this morning, again for completeness.
Scott Morrison:Scott Morrison:
This is a diabolical proposition for many of those communities and it does go across all faiths and religions, no doubt, but I think there can be no question about the fact that the persecuted minorities which are predominantly Middle Eastern Christians are those who face the bleakest long term prospects in that region.This is a diabolical proposition for many of those communities and it does go across all faiths and religions, no doubt, but I think there can be no question about the fact that the persecuted minorities which are predominantly Middle Eastern Christians are those who face the bleakest long term prospects in that region.
2.33am BST02:332.33am BST02:33
The officials kind enough to brief certain news outlets about the bad unemployment number appear to have been chicken littles.The officials kind enough to brief certain news outlets about the bad unemployment number appear to have been chicken littles.
The rate has dropped from 6.3% to 6.2%.The rate has dropped from 6.3% to 6.2%.
The Australian’s news report said the government expectation was (potentially) a 13 year high of 6.5%. This is distinctly odd.The Australian’s news report said the government expectation was (potentially) a 13 year high of 6.5%. This is distinctly odd.
Updated at 2.36am BSTUpdated at 2.36am BST
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Bit of feedback from the audience about the wonderful rudeness of Leigh Sales.Bit of feedback from the audience about the wonderful rudeness of Leigh Sales.
@murpharoo I'm fairly anti-Abbott but I thought that Leigh Sales went pretty hard and interrupted Abbott a lot.@murpharoo I'm fairly anti-Abbott but I thought that Leigh Sales went pretty hard and interrupted Abbott a lot.
@murpharoo 7.30 was the usual. @leighsales would ask PM an Q on economy. PM would repeat boats, carbon tax etc and not answer.@murpharoo 7.30 was the usual. @leighsales would ask PM an Q on economy. PM would repeat boats, carbon tax etc and not answer.
Wonderfully rude is worth adding to a personal bio, I reckon. ‘Wife, mother, worker, rhythmic gymnastics enthusiast, wonderfully rude.’Wonderfully rude is worth adding to a personal bio, I reckon. ‘Wife, mother, worker, rhythmic gymnastics enthusiast, wonderfully rude.’
2.19am BST02:192.19am BST02:19
Interesting too that the social services minister Scott Morrison has wheeled out the Christians once again. Let’s work through this issue step by step.Interesting too that the social services minister Scott Morrison has wheeled out the Christians once again. Let’s work through this issue step by step.
Earlier this week, there was a big push on from various conservative types in the government that any new one-off refugee intake from Syria should prioritise Christians. Regular readers will remember that the government senate leader, Eric Abetz, described Christians as the most persecuted religious group in the world.Earlier this week, there was a big push on from various conservative types in the government that any new one-off refugee intake from Syria should prioritise Christians. Regular readers will remember that the government senate leader, Eric Abetz, described Christians as the most persecuted religious group in the world.
The prime minister was very careful yesterday to convey the idea that the government would not pursue a discriminatory policy. The government would look to bring in vulnerable people: women, children, families and persecuted minorities regardless of their religious stripe.The prime minister was very careful yesterday to convey the idea that the government would not pursue a discriminatory policy. The government would look to bring in vulnerable people: women, children, families and persecuted minorities regardless of their religious stripe.
But Morrison is powering on with the idea the new arrivals will be “predominately Middle Eastern Christians.” Morrison did a press conference with reporters after his interview with the ABC this morning, and he said twice the group would be predominantly Christian.But Morrison is powering on with the idea the new arrivals will be “predominately Middle Eastern Christians.” Morrison did a press conference with reporters after his interview with the ABC this morning, and he said twice the group would be predominantly Christian.
Abbott dead batted that in his press conference in Moresby. Some would be Christians, the prime minister noted, some would not.Abbott dead batted that in his press conference in Moresby. Some would be Christians, the prime minister noted, some would not.
Either the government hasn’t got its lines straight, or there’s a campaign on from sections of the government that would like to tilt the intake to favour a particular group.Either the government hasn’t got its lines straight, or there’s a campaign on from sections of the government that would like to tilt the intake to favour a particular group.
2.07am BST02:072.07am BST02:07
New unemployment figures are due out later today. I read in The Australian the government is “bracing” for a bad number, and government economic officials believe the jump in the jobless rate from 6 to 6.3% in July was the result of a change in Newstart rules that force unemployed people undertaking short training courses to apply for up to 20 jobs a month.New unemployment figures are due out later today. I read in The Australian the government is “bracing” for a bad number, and government economic officials believe the jump in the jobless rate from 6 to 6.3% in July was the result of a change in Newstart rules that force unemployed people undertaking short training courses to apply for up to 20 jobs a month.
Interesting the government is briefing, some outlets at least, in advance.Interesting the government is briefing, some outlets at least, in advance.
Doesn’t sound like good news, does it?Doesn’t sound like good news, does it?
1.55am BST01:551.55am BST01:55
To my south, Andrew Bolt – the Herald Sun columnist and blogger – is unhappy this morning with the ABC, as he so often is. In fact Andrew is so unhappy with the ABC so often that if anyone ever succeeded in abolishing the ABC, his output would actually halve. Andrew’s dangerous idea this morning is, as follows:To my south, Andrew Bolt – the Herald Sun columnist and blogger – is unhappy this morning with the ABC, as he so often is. In fact Andrew is so unhappy with the ABC so often that if anyone ever succeeded in abolishing the ABC, his output would actually halve. Andrew’s dangerous idea this morning is, as follows:
What is the point of Tony Abbott going on 7.30 when the ABC is so implacably at war against his government?What is the point of Tony Abbott going on 7.30 when the ABC is so implacably at war against his government?
Andrew’s displeasure has apparently been triggered by Leigh Sales being wonderfully rude to the prime minister during an interview last night. I confess I did not see the interview because I was struggling to consume a corn ale until the lovely publican at King O’Malleys, sensing my difficulty, generously supplied me with an alternative beverage. So was Leigh rude to the prime minister, good readers of Politics Live? Give me the low down.Andrew’s displeasure has apparently been triggered by Leigh Sales being wonderfully rude to the prime minister during an interview last night. I confess I did not see the interview because I was struggling to consume a corn ale until the lovely publican at King O’Malleys, sensing my difficulty, generously supplied me with an alternative beverage. So was Leigh rude to the prime minister, good readers of Politics Live? Give me the low down.
1.36am BST01:361.36am BST01:36
Meanwhile, to our west, the Liberal party candidate for Canning, Andrew Hastie, looks to be speaking to reporters. The subject of whether he is, or is not, a creationist like his father is continuing to be of some interest.Meanwhile, to our west, the Liberal party candidate for Canning, Andrew Hastie, looks to be speaking to reporters. The subject of whether he is, or is not, a creationist like his father is continuing to be of some interest.
These tweets are from my Perth-based colleague Calla Wahlquist.These tweets are from my Perth-based colleague Calla Wahlquist.
Hastie pressed by @andrewprobyn on whether he shares his father's views on creationism. He refuses to give a direct answer. #CanningHastie pressed by @andrewprobyn on whether he shares his father's views on creationism. He refuses to give a direct answer. #Canning
Hastie: "I'm not interested in questions of theology, I'm interested in questions of public policy." #CanningHastie: "I'm not interested in questions of theology, I'm interested in questions of public policy." #Canning
1.25am BST01:251.25am BST01:25
Q: Australia is breaching Papua New Guinea’s sovereignty by extracting Australians who allegedly commit crimes here before police can interview and investigate the cases, a recent example being the alleged rape at Manus Island. (PNG prime minister) Peter O’Neill said he wants the three men returned. Are you going to support the return of those menwithout an extradition treaty?Q: Australia is breaching Papua New Guinea’s sovereignty by extracting Australians who allegedly commit crimes here before police can interview and investigate the cases, a recent example being the alleged rape at Manus Island. (PNG prime minister) Peter O’Neill said he wants the three men returned. Are you going to support the return of those menwithout an extradition treaty?
Tony Abbott:Tony Abbott:
We are very happy to cooperate with PNG authorities on this. There are due processes of law and they must be followed but crime is crime is crime. Where there are credible allegations, they must be investigated.We are very happy to cooperate with PNG authorities on this. There are due processes of law and they must be followed but crime is crime is crime. Where there are credible allegations, they must be investigated.
Where there is strong evidence, it should be prosecuted. Where people have done the wrong thing, they should be convicted and punished. Obviously we continue to cooperate with the PNG authorities on this.Where there is strong evidence, it should be prosecuted. Where people have done the wrong thing, they should be convicted and punished. Obviously we continue to cooperate with the PNG authorities on this.
1.23am BST01:231.23am BST01:23
The prime minister says Australia has a good story to tell about climate policy and emissions reductions at the PIF. (I suspect Pacific Island nations will beg to differ).The prime minister says Australia has a good story to tell about climate policy and emissions reductions at the PIF. (I suspect Pacific Island nations will beg to differ).
Q: With respect to Syria, you have mentioned you won’t be attacking the Assad regime but what is the plan with the regime? Should they go as well? Is it any better to have them there than ISIL?Q: With respect to Syria, you have mentioned you won’t be attacking the Assad regime but what is the plan with the regime? Should they go as well? Is it any better to have them there than ISIL?
Tony Abbott:Tony Abbott:
Well, I famously or notoriously, depending on your perspective, once described it as baddies versus baddies in Syria. Look,the Assad regime is a dreadful regime. It has been absolutely monstrous to its own people. On the other hand, the ISIL or Daesh death cult is just about as diabolical a group as you could imagine. It is a dreadful, dreadful situation.Well, I famously or notoriously, depending on your perspective, once described it as baddies versus baddies in Syria. Look,the Assad regime is a dreadful regime. It has been absolutely monstrous to its own people. On the other hand, the ISIL or Daesh death cult is just about as diabolical a group as you could imagine. It is a dreadful, dreadful situation.
The decision that we have made is to target air strikes against Daesh in Syria. That’s the decision that we have made. We haven’t made any new decision in respect of Assad but, in common with the vast majority of countries, we think the Assad regime should go.The decision that we have made is to target air strikes against Daesh in Syria. That’s the decision that we have made. We haven’t made any new decision in respect of Assad but, in common with the vast majority of countries, we think the Assad regime should go.
1.17am BST01:171.17am BST01:17
Sky News has the feed now from the prime minister in Moresby. He’s been asked about Kevin Andrews timeframe for the airstrikes. The prime minister says the government doesn’t want to put a timeframe our contribution. Australian forces will be there as needed but no longer than necessary.Sky News has the feed now from the prime minister in Moresby. He’s been asked about Kevin Andrews timeframe for the airstrikes. The prime minister says the government doesn’t want to put a timeframe our contribution. Australian forces will be there as needed but no longer than necessary.
On the two tiered refugee system, the prime minister says there’s a world of difference between folks who have come here by boat and folks in camps elsewhere. He says his government will never to anything to encourage people smuggling.On the two tiered refugee system, the prime minister says there’s a world of difference between folks who have come here by boat and folks in camps elsewhere. He says his government will never to anything to encourage people smuggling.
Tony Abbott:Tony Abbott:
There is a world of difference between people in that situation (fleeing Syria to camps in neighbouring countries) and people who have done a deal with people smugglers to go way beyond the country of first asylum. There is just a world of difference.There is a world of difference between people in that situation (fleeing Syria to camps in neighbouring countries) and people who have done a deal with people smugglers to go way beyond the country of first asylum. There is just a world of difference.
We will never ever do anything that encourages the evil trade of people smuggling and all of those who have come to Australia by boat are here as a result of people smuggling – and this is the self same trade which resulted in the deaths of more than 1,000 people at sea in the waters to our north and has currently resulted in the deaths of perhaps many, many more thousands in the Mediterranean.We will never ever do anything that encourages the evil trade of people smuggling and all of those who have come to Australia by boat are here as a result of people smuggling – and this is the self same trade which resulted in the deaths of more than 1,000 people at sea in the waters to our north and has currently resulted in the deaths of perhaps many, many more thousands in the Mediterranean.
1.10am BST01:101.10am BST01:10
Retired General Peter Gration has just told the ABC, meanwhile, that it is inevitable that the military action in Iraq and Syria will escalate to ground operations. He’s also dismissing the idea that Australia will be in and out in two to three years.Retired General Peter Gration has just told the ABC, meanwhile, that it is inevitable that the military action in Iraq and Syria will escalate to ground operations. He’s also dismissing the idea that Australia will be in and out in two to three years.
I think ten years is not an unreasonable estimate.I think ten years is not an unreasonable estimate.
1.06am BST01:061.06am BST01:06
Our two chambers or parliament, in their social media form, pride themselves on being peak nerd. Today is no exception. Readers understand that observation, coming from a certified nerd like me, represents a significant compliment.Our two chambers or parliament, in their social media form, pride themselves on being peak nerd. Today is no exception. Readers understand that observation, coming from a certified nerd like me, represents a significant compliment.
Today is RUOK day. The chambers are reaching out to one another in their distinctive fashion.Today is RUOK day. The chambers are reaching out to one another in their distinctive fashion.
Thanks for asking @AuSenate - you can always check in on us in real time at http://t.co/Hcx9SEAHAh #RUOKThanks for asking @AuSenate - you can always check in on us in real time at http://t.co/Hcx9SEAHAh #RUOK
12.59am BST00:5912.59am BST00:59
And of course there are shirts.And of course there are shirts.
Obligatory funny shirt photo for leaders at Pacific Islands Forum - let the talks begin #auspol pic.twitter.com/jtK1ytlcwHObligatory funny shirt photo for leaders at Pacific Islands Forum - let the talks begin #auspol pic.twitter.com/jtK1ytlcwH
12.58am BST00:5812.58am BST00:58
I gather from colleagues travelling with the prime minister in Moresby that Tony Abbott has given a press conference. We should get a feed of that in due course. He’s obviously been asked about the two tiered refugee system that the human rights commission president Gillian Triggs expressed concern about earlier this morning (one set of rights for the new 12,000, another set for Syrians already here or in detention). Like Scott Morrison, the prime minister doesn’t see a problem.I gather from colleagues travelling with the prime minister in Moresby that Tony Abbott has given a press conference. We should get a feed of that in due course. He’s obviously been asked about the two tiered refugee system that the human rights commission president Gillian Triggs expressed concern about earlier this morning (one set of rights for the new 12,000, another set for Syrians already here or in detention). Like Scott Morrison, the prime minister doesn’t see a problem.
PM: there's a world of difference between Syrian refugees in Middle East & those in Manus Is. detention - will never encourage ppl smugglingPM: there's a world of difference between Syrian refugees in Middle East & those in Manus Is. detention - will never encourage ppl smuggling
The prime minister has also issued a statement.The prime minister has also issued a statement.
Today I met with Papua New Guinea’s prime minister Peter O’Neill ahead of the Pacific Islands Forum. This is my third visit to PNG as prime minister. Australians value the bond we share with PNG, forged through history, geography and our enduring links. We have shared many significant moments, including September 16, 1975 – the day PNG became independent. To mark this milestone, I am pleased to announce that Australia will provide $25m over four years to support the upgrade of PNG’s foremost national cultural institution, the PNG National Museum and Art Gallery. This will ensure that the remarkable building continues to showcase and preserve PNG’s rich cultural heritage. The Kokoda track is a powerful part of PNG’s history. Since 2008, Australia has provided $40m to maintain and improve the Kokoda track. Today I announce a further $5m per year over five years to continue this initiative. This will support the maintenance of the track, improve the quality of life for communities living and working along it, and help protect its natural and cultural resources. Prime minister O’Neill and I discussed progress on processing and settlement under the Regional Resettlement Arrangements. I thank PNG for its continued cooperation in this regional solution. Progress has been made and we discussed the importance of moving ahead to settle those found to be refugees. I congratulate prime minister O’Neill for hosting the Forum, which is focused on real reforms that can improve the lives of all people in the Pacific region.Today I met with Papua New Guinea’s prime minister Peter O’Neill ahead of the Pacific Islands Forum. This is my third visit to PNG as prime minister. Australians value the bond we share with PNG, forged through history, geography and our enduring links. We have shared many significant moments, including September 16, 1975 – the day PNG became independent. To mark this milestone, I am pleased to announce that Australia will provide $25m over four years to support the upgrade of PNG’s foremost national cultural institution, the PNG National Museum and Art Gallery. This will ensure that the remarkable building continues to showcase and preserve PNG’s rich cultural heritage. The Kokoda track is a powerful part of PNG’s history. Since 2008, Australia has provided $40m to maintain and improve the Kokoda track. Today I announce a further $5m per year over five years to continue this initiative. This will support the maintenance of the track, improve the quality of life for communities living and working along it, and help protect its natural and cultural resources. Prime minister O’Neill and I discussed progress on processing and settlement under the Regional Resettlement Arrangements. I thank PNG for its continued cooperation in this regional solution. Progress has been made and we discussed the importance of moving ahead to settle those found to be refugees. I congratulate prime minister O’Neill for hosting the Forum, which is focused on real reforms that can improve the lives of all people in the Pacific region.
12.52am BST00:5212.52am BST00:52
This is a terrific piece from my colleague Helen Davidson that details practical things that people can do to help people currently fleeing persecution and danger in Syria. It’s chock full of helpful suggestions and links. If you’ve been wanting to dive in with some practical help but wondered where to start, this is your ‘how to.’This is a terrific piece from my colleague Helen Davidson that details practical things that people can do to help people currently fleeing persecution and danger in Syria. It’s chock full of helpful suggestions and links. If you’ve been wanting to dive in with some practical help but wondered where to start, this is your ‘how to.’
12.39am BST00:3912.39am BST00:39
In a spirit of fairness and in recognition that I am not, in fact, a professional beer reviewer, I’ll link you to further and betters about Albo’s beer. Chris Shanahan, the Canberra Times beverage reviewer, has apparently described it as a sessionable beer, where you can sit down and knock back a few. Easy to drink, and not bland.In a spirit of fairness and in recognition that I am not, in fact, a professional beer reviewer, I’ll link you to further and betters about Albo’s beer. Chris Shanahan, the Canberra Times beverage reviewer, has apparently described it as a sessionable beer, where you can sit down and knock back a few. Easy to drink, and not bland.
I’d agree with not bland.I’d agree with not bland.
12.33am BST00:3312.33am BST00:33
I see from tweets from Fairfax media’s photographer Andrew Meares that the prime minister has participated in something called a slap drill in the training session. That sounds vaguely ominous.I see from tweets from Fairfax media’s photographer Andrew Meares that the prime minister has participated in something called a slap drill in the training session. That sounds vaguely ominous.
How’s this for a study in concentration?How’s this for a study in concentration?
12.19am BST00:1912.19am BST00:19
Meanwhile, to our north.Meanwhile, to our north.
Tony Abbott is at the Pacific Islands Forum today. Climate change is expected to be a focus of the talks.Tony Abbott is at the Pacific Islands Forum today. Climate change is expected to be a focus of the talks.
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A sample of commentary concerning events of the past 24 hours.A sample of commentary concerning events of the past 24 hours.
Lenore Taylor, Guardian AustraliaLenore Taylor, Guardian Australia
Lenore’s analysis looks at the implications of the shift in community sentiment about refugees.Lenore’s analysis looks at the implications of the shift in community sentiment about refugees.
Where will it end, this unleashing of compassion towards refugees – previously characterised as people whose flight had to be stopped, at all costs, by secret military-style operations, people who should be “waiting” in a non-existent “queue”? It was pictures – of mass human exodus, of tiny Alan Kurdi washed up on a beach like jetsam – that prompted the outpouring of compassion that seemed to change the Abbott government’s mind on the Syrian crisis. It was stories – of mental health impacts and unremitting despair – that forced the 2005 change on temporary protection visas. “Operational secrecy” means the pictures and stories of those caught up in Australia’s current border policies are difficult to provide.Where will it end, this unleashing of compassion towards refugees – previously characterised as people whose flight had to be stopped, at all costs, by secret military-style operations, people who should be “waiting” in a non-existent “queue”? It was pictures – of mass human exodus, of tiny Alan Kurdi washed up on a beach like jetsam – that prompted the outpouring of compassion that seemed to change the Abbott government’s mind on the Syrian crisis. It was stories – of mental health impacts and unremitting despair – that forced the 2005 change on temporary protection visas. “Operational secrecy” means the pictures and stories of those caught up in Australia’s current border policies are difficult to provide.
Laura Tingle, Australian Financial Review (paywalled)Laura Tingle, Australian Financial Review (paywalled)
Laura’s analysis is in similar territory, looking at the public shift and the shift in conservative sentiment.Laura’s analysis is in similar territory, looking at the public shift and the shift in conservative sentiment.
The political implications of the turnaround are as stunning as the turnaround itself. Domestically, it reinforces the fact that Labor’s change of position on boats in July has not only neutralised an issue that dogged the opposition, but given both sides space to look more generous. Just as important, however, has been how the conservative side of politics has trod in the past week. The leadership has come from figures like Mike Baird and Jeff Kennett outside federal politics and an eclectic range of figures inside it, notably Western Sydney backbencher Craig Laundy and the Nationals’ Barnaby Joyce.The political implications of the turnaround are as stunning as the turnaround itself. Domestically, it reinforces the fact that Labor’s change of position on boats in July has not only neutralised an issue that dogged the opposition, but given both sides space to look more generous. Just as important, however, has been how the conservative side of politics has trod in the past week. The leadership has come from figures like Mike Baird and Jeff Kennett outside federal politics and an eclectic range of figures inside it, notably Western Sydney backbencher Craig Laundy and the Nationals’ Barnaby Joyce.
Michael Gordon, The AgeMichael Gordon, The Age
Good as far as it goes, says Michael, but how about the Syrians already here, in limbo.Good as far as it goes, says Michael, but how about the Syrians already here, in limbo.
(Tony Abbott) links the commitment to his success in stopping the boats, arguing that this eased the pressure on the humanitarian program and made it possible to endorse the increase. But there is another connection to Sovereign Borders that he will be less willing to confront – one that is utterly inconsistent with the “tradition of decency” in the Australian character. It is that those refugees living a life in limbo without hope on Nauru and Manus Island are no different to those we are now moving speedily to protect. That is something that should also trouble the nation’s soul.(Tony Abbott) links the commitment to his success in stopping the boats, arguing that this eased the pressure on the humanitarian program and made it possible to endorse the increase. But there is another connection to Sovereign Borders that he will be less willing to confront – one that is utterly inconsistent with the “tradition of decency” in the Australian character. It is that those refugees living a life in limbo without hope on Nauru and Manus Island are no different to those we are now moving speedily to protect. That is something that should also trouble the nation’s soul.
Greg Sheridan, The Australian (paywalled)Greg Sheridan, The Australian (paywalled)
Good one Tony, says Greg.Good one Tony, says Greg.
Tony Abbott got the policy and the politics of Syria right yesterday. He was a bit slow off the mark at the weekend but he quickly identified this shortcoming, read the community sentiment ­accurately and drove government processes to produce a credible policy response.Tony Abbott got the policy and the politics of Syria right yesterday. He was a bit slow off the mark at the weekend but he quickly identified this shortcoming, read the community sentiment ­accurately and drove government processes to produce a credible policy response.
Bernard Keane, Crikey (paywalled)Bernard Keane, Crikey (paywalled)
Bernard says this change of heart must not discriminate against people who need our help.Bernard says this change of heart must not discriminate against people who need our help.
The limitation of help to “persecuted minorities” appears to rule out the approximately 60% of Syrians who are Sunni Muslims and who have been disproportionately targeted by the regime of Bashar al-Assad. Christians, Yazidis and other religious minorities in Syria have been targeted by Islamic State — but so too have Shiite Muslims, who have been massacred in their hundreds, and probably thousands, by IS across Syria and Iraq (especially the latter). And Kurds, who are predominantly Sunni, are at war with IS across Syria and Iraq (no one has spoken up for atheists, who are also targeted by IS).The limitation of help to “persecuted minorities” appears to rule out the approximately 60% of Syrians who are Sunni Muslims and who have been disproportionately targeted by the regime of Bashar al-Assad. Christians, Yazidis and other religious minorities in Syria have been targeted by Islamic State — but so too have Shiite Muslims, who have been massacred in their hundreds, and probably thousands, by IS across Syria and Iraq (especially the latter). And Kurds, who are predominantly Sunni, are at war with IS across Syria and Iraq (no one has spoken up for atheists, who are also targeted by IS).
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The attorney-general George Brandis has written a column in The Australian this morning addressing the legality of Australia’s actions in Syria.The attorney-general George Brandis has written a column in The Australian this morning addressing the legality of Australia’s actions in Syria.
This is his core reasoning.This is his core reasoning.
International law recognises the principle of collective self-­defence may extend to interventions beyond the borders of the requesting state, where four conditions are met.International law recognises the principle of collective self-­defence may extend to interventions beyond the borders of the requesting state, where four conditions are met.
First, the requesting state must have been subject to, or be imminently at risk of, armed attacks from insurgent elements based beyond its borders. Second, there must be no effective means reasonably available to address those attacks or imminent threats, other than the use of force. Third, the host state (in this case, Syria) must have demonstrated, by express declaration or conduct, that it is unwilling or unable to restrain the attacks emanating from within its borders. Finally, the state under attack must have requested the assistance of other states to defend itself.First, the requesting state must have been subject to, or be imminently at risk of, armed attacks from insurgent elements based beyond its borders. Second, there must be no effective means reasonably available to address those attacks or imminent threats, other than the use of force. Third, the host state (in this case, Syria) must have demonstrated, by express declaration or conduct, that it is unwilling or unable to restrain the attacks emanating from within its borders. Finally, the state under attack must have requested the assistance of other states to defend itself.
All four of those conditions are clearly satisfied in this case.All four of those conditions are clearly satisfied in this case.
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Strong means strong.Strong means strong.
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Shalailah MedhoraShalailah Medhora
As well as addressing the Syrian refugee issue, the social services minister, Scott Morrison, has vowed to reintroduce legislation that would force jobseekers under the age of 25 to wait an extra four weeks before accessing the dole, after the measure was shot down by the Senate on Wednesday. “This will be coming back because we believe in it,” Morrison told ABC Radio this morning.As well as addressing the Syrian refugee issue, the social services minister, Scott Morrison, has vowed to reintroduce legislation that would force jobseekers under the age of 25 to wait an extra four weeks before accessing the dole, after the measure was shot down by the Senate on Wednesday. “This will be coming back because we believe in it,” Morrison told ABC Radio this morning.
Just a bit of background on this particular measure. In its first budget in 2014, the government introduced a change that would have made under 30s wait six months before accessing unemployment benefits. There was a public outcry. The government then watered the 2014 measure down to four weeks. But even the watered-down version failed to secure the support of Labor, the Greens, and the majority of the Senate crossbench.Just a bit of background on this particular measure. In its first budget in 2014, the government introduced a change that would have made under 30s wait six months before accessing unemployment benefits. There was a public outcry. The government then watered the 2014 measure down to four weeks. But even the watered-down version failed to secure the support of Labor, the Greens, and the majority of the Senate crossbench.
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Speaking of Mr Bowers, he thought we could all use a bit of spring zen this morning. Isn’t this gorgeous?Speaking of Mr Bowers, he thought we could all use a bit of spring zen this morning. Isn’t this gorgeous?
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Joe Hockey has also done an interview on Sky News about the economy this morning. Unfortunately the treasurer has been squeezed out of my morning coverage thus far because he appeared in the middle of Kevin Andrews’ second and Julie Bishop’s third interview.Joe Hockey has also done an interview on Sky News about the economy this morning. Unfortunately the treasurer has been squeezed out of my morning coverage thus far because he appeared in the middle of Kevin Andrews’ second and Julie Bishop’s third interview.
Here too is Julie Bishop – either enhancing the treasurer’s photo opportunity, or making off with it – depending on your point of view.Here too is Julie Bishop – either enhancing the treasurer’s photo opportunity, or making off with it – depending on your point of view.
Mike Bowers caught this photobomb just outside the Sky studios.Mike Bowers caught this photobomb just outside the Sky studios.
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Triggs concerned about bombing Syria, and a two-tiered refugee system. Scott Morrison says nope, nope, nopeTriggs concerned about bombing Syria, and a two-tiered refugee system. Scott Morrison says nope, nope, nope
The Human Rights Commission president Gillian Triggs has been on the ABC addressing the point that was put to Julie Bishop in the last post. Triggs says first up yesterday’s decision by the Abbott government to bomb Syria was a matter of concern. It was inevitable increased military action would increase the refugee flow.The Human Rights Commission president Gillian Triggs has been on the ABC addressing the point that was put to Julie Bishop in the last post. Triggs says first up yesterday’s decision by the Abbott government to bomb Syria was a matter of concern. It was inevitable increased military action would increase the refugee flow.
She’s also concerned that the 12,000 people coming from Syria will be subject to completely different arrangements than Syrians already here. The new cohort would be settled permanently, the people here now would get temporary protection visas.She’s also concerned that the 12,000 people coming from Syria will be subject to completely different arrangements than Syrians already here. The new cohort would be settled permanently, the people here now would get temporary protection visas.
Gillian Triggs:Gillian Triggs:
What we are doing is creating a double system.What we are doing is creating a double system.
Triggs says the government needs to sort this out, given the majority of Syrians already here will pass the refugee test.Triggs says the government needs to sort this out, given the majority of Syrians already here will pass the refugee test.
I think, frankly, we have to be practical about this. (They) should be treated equally.I think, frankly, we have to be practical about this. (They) should be treated equally.
The social services minister, Scott Morrison, doesn’t sound as though he’s interested in being practical. He’s on the ABC now.The social services minister, Scott Morrison, doesn’t sound as though he’s interested in being practical. He’s on the ABC now.
The government hasn’t made a decision to change our border protection policy. What we’ve decided to do is to respond to a genuine refugee and humanitarian crisis in the Middle East. And that’s what we’re responding to and we will be helping those who are in that zone. That’s what we will be doing.The government hasn’t made a decision to change our border protection policy. What we’ve decided to do is to respond to a genuine refugee and humanitarian crisis in the Middle East. And that’s what we’re responding to and we will be helping those who are in that zone. That’s what we will be doing.
Those who have come here courtesy of people smugglers, there is a process in place for those individuals. And those processes will be followed.Those who have come here courtesy of people smugglers, there is a process in place for those individuals. And those processes will be followed.
We’re not reversing our strong border protection policies. We’re extending the most generous humanitarian responses the country has seen.We’re not reversing our strong border protection policies. We’re extending the most generous humanitarian responses the country has seen.
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A bit more from Kevin Andrews and Julie Bishop from their morning media blitz.A bit more from Kevin Andrews and Julie Bishop from their morning media blitz.
Q: So what will success in this fight look like?Q: So what will success in this fight look like?
Kevin Andrews on the Today show.Kevin Andrews on the Today show.
A regime in the Middle East that doesn’t commit genocide against its own people and a regime in the Middle East that doesn’t export terrorism else where around the world, including, unfortunately, here to Australia.A regime in the Middle East that doesn’t commit genocide against its own people and a regime in the Middle East that doesn’t export terrorism else where around the world, including, unfortunately, here to Australia.
Julie Bishop was asked on Radio National Breakfast given the new generosity towards Syrian refugees, why don’t we bring Syrians on Nauru or Manus Island to the mainland? She said Australia was responding currently to a particular crisis. Under the arrangements confirmed yesterday, the Australian government would decide who comes here and the circumstances in which they come. (Yes, I know that was John Howard, not Julie Bishop, but she was echoing the Howard rationale). Bishop said Australian officials will select the Syrians from refugee camps – the people smugglers would not select the Syrians.Julie Bishop was asked on Radio National Breakfast given the new generosity towards Syrian refugees, why don’t we bring Syrians on Nauru or Manus Island to the mainland? She said Australia was responding currently to a particular crisis. Under the arrangements confirmed yesterday, the Australian government would decide who comes here and the circumstances in which they come. (Yes, I know that was John Howard, not Julie Bishop, but she was echoing the Howard rationale). Bishop said Australian officials will select the Syrians from refugee camps – the people smugglers would not select the Syrians.
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Good morning fine people and welcome to Thursday in Canberra. Too early for corn beer? Having now tried it, I’d argue it’s always too early for corn beer.Good morning fine people and welcome to Thursday in Canberra. Too early for corn beer? Having now tried it, I’d argue it’s always too early for corn beer.
Fear not, nobody associated with Politics Live is drinking corn beer at 8am. These pictures are from last night.Fear not, nobody associated with Politics Live is drinking corn beer at 8am. These pictures are from last night.
Labor’s Anthony Albanese on Wednesday night ventured out of the parliamentary precinct to launch a beer that has been named after him. The brew is much like the man, goes down easy, but leaves a feisty aftertaste, rather like fighting tories in your mouth. Disconcerting to say the least.Labor’s Anthony Albanese on Wednesday night ventured out of the parliamentary precinct to launch a beer that has been named after him. The brew is much like the man, goes down easy, but leaves a feisty aftertaste, rather like fighting tories in your mouth. Disconcerting to say the least.
Perhaps I needed the memory of the beer to possess the strength to tune into Alan Jones at 7.10am. Alan has been editorialising thunderously and periodically letting the trade minister, Andrew Robb, get a word in about the China free trade deal. He thinks opponents of the deal are running rings around the government.Perhaps I needed the memory of the beer to possess the strength to tune into Alan Jones at 7.10am. Alan has been editorialising thunderously and periodically letting the trade minister, Andrew Robb, get a word in about the China free trade deal. He thinks opponents of the deal are running rings around the government.
Alan Jones:Alan Jones:
Why don’t you put the boot in?Why don’t you put the boot in?
Andrew Robb:Andrew Robb:
We’ve been attempting to.We’ve been attempting to.
Alan Jones:Alan Jones:
You aren’t getting your point across.You aren’t getting your point across.
Robb, possibly confused why Alan Jones is suddenly supportive of free trade, and attempting to help the government on the China deal, explains the government is up against millions in advertising and trade union robocalls. The union advertising overwhelms, Robb says. Alan knows this. Alan has done some research and ascertained that unions have unlimited funds because they collect dues from their members. But despite these challenges, one must make oneself heard over the clamour.Robb, possibly confused why Alan Jones is suddenly supportive of free trade, and attempting to help the government on the China deal, explains the government is up against millions in advertising and trade union robocalls. The union advertising overwhelms, Robb says. Alan knows this. Alan has done some research and ascertained that unions have unlimited funds because they collect dues from their members. But despite these challenges, one must make oneself heard over the clamour.
Alan Jones:Alan Jones:
Well, introduce truth in advertising legislation.Well, introduce truth in advertising legislation.
Andrew Robb:Andrew Robb:
Those things have been tried.Those things have been tried.
As diverting as this conversation is, Syria of course remains the main game in national politics after the big announcements yesterday: Australia will shortly take part in airstrikes in Syria, and we will take 12,000 refugees from the region.As diverting as this conversation is, Syria of course remains the main game in national politics after the big announcements yesterday: Australia will shortly take part in airstrikes in Syria, and we will take 12,000 refugees from the region.
On other open microphones, Robb’s colleagues Kevin Andrews and Julie Bishop are softening up the public for the long haul for military engagement in Iraq and Syria. The defence minister, Kevin Andrews, has told NewsRadio the conflict will take a couple of years, or so. Then Andrews told the Nine Network Australia would probably be there for a number of years.On other open microphones, Robb’s colleagues Kevin Andrews and Julie Bishop are softening up the public for the long haul for military engagement in Iraq and Syria. The defence minister, Kevin Andrews, has told NewsRadio the conflict will take a couple of years, or so. Then Andrews told the Nine Network Australia would probably be there for a number of years.
Two or three years, I can’t say in exact terms.Two or three years, I can’t say in exact terms.
On Sky News, the foreign minister, Julie Bishop, says the government’s focus is not arbitrary timeframes but taking out Daesh.On Sky News, the foreign minister, Julie Bishop, says the government’s focus is not arbitrary timeframes but taking out Daesh.
We’ve always spoken about our involvement in Iraq in terms of years, not months or days. We should be thinking in terms of years, not months.We’ve always spoken about our involvement in Iraq in terms of years, not months or days. We should be thinking in terms of years, not months.
So noted, we march on into Thursday. The comments thread is open for your business. We are up and at ’em on the Twits. He’s @mpbowers and I’m @murpharooSo noted, we march on into Thursday. The comments thread is open for your business. We are up and at ’em on the Twits. He’s @mpbowers and I’m @murpharoo
Buckle up. Here comes Thursday.Buckle up. Here comes Thursday.
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