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10.52pm GMT22:52
Beer question! Is it right to have one third of breweries in this country owned by one brewer? Is there a threat to competition in beer?
Now that’s a debate question.
The debate is happening in an arena named for Coors, which is brewed in nearby Golden at the world’s very largest brewery.
Santorum says he travels far and wide and, believe him, there’s a brewery in like every town. No worries about keeping beer in the USA competitive, he says.
Whew.
Updated at 10.53pm GMT
10.47pm GMT22:47
Santorum argues that a failure to protect exports pushed Boeing partly to France.
Santorum seems on tonight? He’s speaking with energy and conviction about protecting American jobs. He’s not going too long, making arguments instead of speeches. Looking to break 2% in Iowa.
Updated at 10.48pm GMT
10.46pm GMT22:46
Jeb Lund
From Guardian US columnist Jeb Lund, live from Tampa:
Perhaps this doesn’t reflect that well on me, but I can think of no more fitting commentary on the Republican Kiddie Table Debate than the fact that I was washing dishes and cleaning the house on domestic autopilot and listening to my TV blaring CNN commentary about the main debate without realizing that there was an actual debate being broadcast at the time. I mean, I DVRd it, but still.
10.45pm GMT22:45
Rick Santelli is up. He asks Pataki: “How’re you doing tonight?”
Pataki’s good.
Santelli says interest rates should be higher for savers who rely on the growth of their deposits. He (Santelli) is taking issue with the Fed’s hesitancy to raise interest rates.
Pataki does not really engage on the monetary policy question. He does say the Fed screwed up. Then: “No question Barack Obama faced an economic disaster in 2009,” Pataki said, but he made it worse with Obamacare.
Updated at 10.48pm GMT
10.42pm GMT22:42
Soundnibbles! Indeed. It’s as if the moderators are afraid of letting the candidates speak.
Or maybe they just have an eye on the ratings, and realize that churn plays better than drone.
Is it me or has the amount of time candidates are given to answer questions in the GOP JV debate just hit a new all-time low? Soundnibbles.
Or maybe this is just the bracing fast pace that money moves at. Pew pew pew ...
Updated at 10.48pm GMT
10.39pm GMT22:39
Here’s a question about paid family leave, and mandatory paid maternity leave.
“I’m not for the government mandating that,” Jindal says. “We already have too many mandates out of DC... the government can’t wave a magic wand and make that happen.”
He says that Obama has put the country “on the path to socialism.”
He says economic growth will magically produce benefits like paid family leave.
10.38pm GMT22:38
Santorum blames immigration for keeping wages and economic participation rates low.
“We’re bringing in people to compete against low-wage workers,” Santorum says. That of course is highly debatable.
Graham jumps in once again as the realist on immigration. He says US companies need workers. “If you can’t find an American worker after you advertise for a competitive wage, bring in” workers, Graham says.
Then everybody starts talking. Pataki is waving his arms. He’s noticeably taller than Graham. Quick wants him to end his speech. Quintanilla takes the mic.
10.32pm GMT22:32
Graham: Sanders 'went to the Soviet Union on his honeymoon, and I don't think he ever came back'
Graham has committed the heresies, in the context of the current Republican primary conversation, of saying climate change is real and supporting a path to citizenship for undocumented migrants. He’s asked to defend himself.
“I think I’m trying to solve problems,” Graham says.
“I have been to the Antarctic, I have been to Alaska. I’m not a scientist, and I have the grades to prove it... [but] the greenhouse gas effect is real, that we’re heating up the planet. I just want a solution that does not destroy the economy.”
He also wants to win elections:
“I’m tired of losing!” Graham says. “Good god look who we’re running against.”
The number one woman [claimed to be broke] after eight years in the White House. The number two guy went to the Soviet Union on his honeymoon, and I don’t think he ever came back.
Laugh line, including among the moderators.
Updated at 10.36pm GMT
10.28pm GMT22:28
Pataki has a chance to defend Wall Street, as a former New York governor. He does not.
“I think they have gone too far,” he says. “I think we’ve seen Wall Street blossom and do really well, while a lot of people are struggling.” He blames a corrupt relationship with Washington.
“I’ve cut taxes more than anybody on this stage, more than anybody on the next stage combined,” he boasts.
10.25pm GMT22:25
Graham: 'Make me commander in chief and this crap stops'
Cramer invites Graham to indulge his darkest fantasies about geopolitical threats bearing down on America’s shores.
“The foreign policy of Barack Obama needs to be replaced” and you can’t do that by electing his secretary of state, Graham says.
Then he produces quite a moment, raising a fist and an open palm.
“To the Chinese, when it comes to dealing with me, you’ve got a clenched fist and an open hand, and you choose which,” Graham says.
“The party’s over. Make me commander in chief and this crap stops!”
10.23pm GMT22:23
Cramer asks Pataki whether we need a military response to cyber-warfare.
(The debate is back on. This is not happening in some weird corner of the internet. It’s happening in a weird corner of national TV.)
Pataki hits out at Clinton for “putting an unsecure server ... as secretary of state, that without a doubt was hacked” by China and Russia.
Pataki says Clinton is disqualified. The crowd whistles and cheers.
Updated at 10.26pm GMT
10.22pm GMT22:22
Ben Jacobs
As the undercard debate began, Jeb Bush rolled out an endorsement from a former vice president, notes Ben Jacobs in Boulder.
The Bush campaign announced that George HW Bush’s vice president, Dan Quayle was backing the former Florida governor.
The endorsement drew some skepticism. Quayle, who mounted an abortive bid for the White House in 2000 against George W Bush, was never regarded as one of the best and the brightest in American politics. Perhaps his best known moment was in 1992 when he insisted to a grade school student that the word “potato” should be spelled “potatoe”.
10.21pm GMT22:21
Well ...
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Updated at 10.22pm GMT
10.21pm GMT22:21
Is Hillary Clinton watching tonight? She’s playing with the Republicans on Twitter, at least:
Which GOP candidate would you want to see Hillary take on in a debate? Cast your vote! https://t.co/IAf9qEWt7g pic.twitter.com/LdvZ4HytVS
10.20pm GMT22:2010.20pm GMT22:20
Commercial. Do what you have to do around the house.
10.20pm GMT22:20
Jindal says it’s “dangerous times for America” because of the size of the debt, $18tn. (The debt limit reset in March was $18.113tn.)Jindal says it’s “dangerous times for America” because of the size of the debt, $18tn. (The debt limit reset in March was $18.113tn.)
10.20pm GMT22:2010.20pm GMT22:20
My colleague Jana Kasperkevic will be analysing the debate through a series of Vines tonight. Here she highlights the wealth of the candidates’ in this undercard debate. My colleague Jana Kasperkevic will be analysing the debate through a series of Vines tonight. Here she highlights the wealth of the candidates in this undercard debate.
The four candidates in this debate are worth combined $21 million. Chump change. https://t.co/Cc1OJ6EWnzThe four candidates in this debate are worth combined $21 million. Chump change. https://t.co/Cc1OJ6EWnz
Millionaire Jeopardy! https://t.co/ZamSe7yTkm
Updated at 10.49pm GMT
10.16pm GMT22:1610.16pm GMT22:16
Pataki agrees with Graham on the current budget, saying it protects the military.Pataki agrees with Graham on the current budget, saying it protects the military.
An air of comity prevails in Boulder. Jindal’s tie is pink. The backdrop to the stage is electric blue and rather aggressively branded with the CNBC logo. Big moment for the little cable channel that could.An air of comity prevails in Boulder. Jindal’s tie is pink. The backdrop to the stage is electric blue and rather aggressively branded with the CNBC logo. Big moment for the little cable channel that could.
10.15pm GMT22:1510.15pm GMT22:15
Santorum takes a question about his flat tax - he wants to tax every household income at an even 20%.Santorum takes a question about his flat tax - he wants to tax every household income at an even 20%.
He says the biggest problem is the breakdown of the American family. He says his plan is pro-growth and pro-family. He doesn’t get into how throwing out the graduated tax system is more pro-family than a flat tax.He says the biggest problem is the breakdown of the American family. He says his plan is pro-growth and pro-family. He doesn’t get into how throwing out the graduated tax system is more pro-family than a flat tax.
10.14pm GMT22:1410.14pm GMT22:14
10.13pm GMT22:1310.13pm GMT22:13
Quick asks about debt limits. Would you blow through the debt ceiling in order to resist passing a disagreeable budget, like the one before Congress now?Quick asks about debt limits. Would you blow through the debt ceiling in order to resist passing a disagreeable budget, like the one before Congress now?
Jindal says it’s a false choice because the government could cut spending and not keep running through the ceiling.Jindal says it’s a false choice because the government could cut spending and not keep running through the ceiling.
He says something about “turning the American dream into a European nightmare,” with reference to unemployment and growth rates.He says something about “turning the American dream into a European nightmare,” with reference to unemployment and growth rates.
Harwood swipes the spotlight. He asks Graham whether he would vote for a budget deal agreed to Monday night.Harwood swipes the spotlight. He asks Graham whether he would vote for a budget deal agreed to Monday night.
Graham ignores the question. “I’ll tell you what is real,” he says. “The threat to our homeland.”Graham ignores the question. “I’ll tell you what is real,” he says. “The threat to our homeland.”
He’ll vote for the budget, he says, because it puts “$40bn back in the defense department at a time we need it.”He’ll vote for the budget, he says, because it puts “$40bn back in the defense department at a time we need it.”
10.12pm GMT22:1210.12pm GMT22:12
10.10pm GMT22:1010.10pm GMT22:10
Harwood has the first Q. It’s not about $$ at all. It’s about how popular outsider candidacies are this year and asks Jindal, the Louisiana governor, how he fits the bill.Harwood has the first Q. It’s not about $$ at all. It’s about how popular outsider candidacies are this year and asks Jindal, the Louisiana governor, how he fits the bill.
Jindal says he will chop government, which is the most outsider-y thing of all. Santorum says that he was a force for reform during his two senate terms. Pataki, the thrice-elected governor, says Washington needs and outsider but “you can’t just be an outsider.”Jindal says he will chop government, which is the most outsider-y thing of all. Santorum says that he was a force for reform during his two senate terms. Pataki, the thrice-elected governor, says Washington needs and outsider but “you can’t just be an outsider.”
Graham says thanks for having him and asks the audience to applaud itself. He says the only way he could have gotten into UC-Boulder was to be invited to the presidential debate. Hard to tell whether they laughed. Then he zooms to the end of his statement about national security threats being real.Graham says thanks for having him and asks the audience to applaud itself. He says the only way he could have gotten into UC-Boulder was to be invited to the presidential debate. Hard to tell whether they laughed. Then he zooms to the end of his statement about national security threats being real.
10.07pm GMT22:0710.07pm GMT22:07
The event begins. Becky Quick introduces the show. Candidates get 30 seconds per question and the same for rebuttals, she explains. Quintanilla is on her right, your left. Harwood’s on the other side.The event begins. Becky Quick introduces the show. Candidates get 30 seconds per question and the same for rebuttals, she explains. Quintanilla is on her right, your left. Harwood’s on the other side.
10.05pm GMT22:0510.05pm GMT22:05
Oh pity. They’re making them stand there behind their lecterns without, for the moment, asking them anything. It’s a silent debate. Aaand now they’ve gone to commercial.Oh pity. They’re making them stand there behind their lecterns without, for the moment, asking them anything. It’s a silent debate. Aaand now they’ve gone to commercial.
Well, Marco Rubio made a joke on YouTube today. Did you see it?Well, Marco Rubio made a joke on YouTube today. Did you see it?
10.02pm GMT22:0210.02pm GMT22:02
Time’s up for preliminary niceties. The four bonus candidates have taken the stage. Bobby, Rick, George and Lindsey. Let’s listen to what these guys have to say.Time’s up for preliminary niceties. The four bonus candidates have taken the stage. Bobby, Rick, George and Lindsey. Let’s listen to what these guys have to say.
10.01pm GMT22:0110.01pm GMT22:01
Is Donald Trump in trouble? In advance of the debate, he was already complaining about an “unfair” fightIs Donald Trump in trouble? In advance of the debate, he was already complaining about an “unfair” fight
After a great evening and packed auditorium in Iowa, I am now in Colorado looking forward to what I am sure will be a very unfair debate!After a great evening and packed auditorium in Iowa, I am now in Colorado looking forward to what I am sure will be a very unfair debate!
The essence of his beef was that CNBC has been broadcasting the same poll everyone else has picked up on this week, which for the first time since July showed Trump trailing Ben Carson in the nominating race.The essence of his beef was that CNBC has been broadcasting the same poll everyone else has picked up on this week, which for the first time since July showed Trump trailing Ben Carson in the nominating race.
It was a solid poll, commissioned by CBS News /New York Times and conducted over the telephone by people, as opposed to through robo-calling or over the Internet, which latter techniques are considered less effective.It was a solid poll, commissioned by CBS News /New York Times and conducted over the telephone by people, as opposed to through robo-calling or over the Internet, which latter techniques are considered less effective.
The poll found Carson ahead of Trump 26-22.The poll found Carson ahead of Trump 26-22.
.@CNBC continues to report fictious poll numbers. Number one, based on every statistic, is Trump (by a wide margin). They just can't say it!.@CNBC continues to report fictious poll numbers. Number one, based on every statistic, is Trump (by a wide margin). They just can't say it!
Trump would rather have America look at a poll published just today, by YouGov/ The Economist and conducted over the Internet, which shows him ahead of Carson 32-18.Trump would rather have America look at a poll published just today, by YouGov/ The Economist and conducted over the Internet, which shows him ahead of Carson 32-18.
.@TheEconomist Poll, one of the most highly respected, was just released. Wow, wait until the media digests these numbers - won't be happy!.@TheEconomist Poll, one of the most highly respected, was just released. Wow, wait until the media digests these numbers - won't be happy!
9.52pm GMT21:529.52pm GMT21:52
Hosting tonight’s event is the cable channel CNBC, which has wrangled three moderators and three sideline questioners for the job. They’re calling it “The Republican Presidential Debate: Your Money, Your Vote.”Hosting tonight’s event is the cable channel CNBC, which has wrangled three moderators and three sideline questioners for the job. They’re calling it “The Republican Presidential Debate: Your Money, Your Vote.”
The moderators are Becky Quick, John Harwood and Carl Quintanilla.The moderators are Becky Quick, John Harwood and Carl Quintanilla.
The questioners are Jim Cramer, Sharon Epperson and Rick Santelli.The questioners are Jim Cramer, Sharon Epperson and Rick Santelli.
Harwood comes into the event with already one debate scalp tacked to his wall. Remember Texas Governor Rick Perry’s big “oops” in 2012? That was thanks to Harwood:Harwood comes into the event with already one debate scalp tacked to his wall. Remember Texas Governor Rick Perry’s big “oops” in 2012? That was thanks to Harwood:
But Santelli may be the real star of the evening: he’s credited with giving rise – and giving a name – to one of the most influential forces in conservative politics in the last 50 years.But Santelli may be the real star of the evening: he’s credited with giving rise – and giving a name – to one of the most influential forces in conservative politics in the last 50 years.
A Santelli rant on the floor of the Chicago stock exchange in 2009 about bailing out bad mortgages captured the outrage many Americans felt over what they considered to be bad fiscal habits in Washington and a national malady of spending beyond one’s means.A Santelli rant on the floor of the Chicago stock exchange in 2009 about bailing out bad mortgages captured the outrage many Americans felt over what they considered to be bad fiscal habits in Washington and a national malady of spending beyond one’s means.
Behold, how the Tea Party, in part, was born:Behold, how the Tea Party, in part, was born:
9.27pm GMT21:279.27pm GMT21:27
Hello! and welcome to our coverage of the third Republican presidential debate.Hello! and welcome to our coverage of the third Republican presidential debate.
Tonight, it’s all about money.Tonight, it’s all about money.
Money: what’s more important to you? What’s more important to anyone? Nothing, and yet too often the national political conversation burbles along with no real discussion of the policies that matter most for your bottom line: taxes, debt, pensions, trade, healthcare and capital-G Growth.Money: what’s more important to you? What’s more important to anyone? Nothing, and yet too often the national political conversation burbles along with no real discussion of the policies that matter most for your bottom line: taxes, debt, pensions, trade, healthcare and capital-G Growth.
The 14 remaining Republican candidates are going to tear into those questions tonight with their teeth, in what should be at the very least an impressive competition to see who can make the most wildly impossible promises about lowering taxes while protecting the entitlements programs voters hold most dear.The 14 remaining Republican candidates are going to tear into those questions tonight with their teeth, in what should be at the very least an impressive competition to see who can make the most wildly impossible promises about lowering taxes while protecting the entitlements programs voters hold most dear.
On the off chance that those $$ topics leave you cold, consider this: tonight may present one of the rare moments when Donald Trump will not be the loudest person in the room. Hosting the debate this evening will be no fewer than six television personalities from the cable financial news channel CNBC, whose programs go by names like Squawk on the Street and Squawk Alley and Squawk Box. It’s a great channel!On the off chance that those $$ topics leave you cold, consider this: tonight may present one of the rare moments when Donald Trump will not be the loudest person in the room. Hosting the debate this evening will be no fewer than six television personalities from the cable financial news channel CNBC, whose programs go by names like Squawk on the Street and Squawk Alley and Squawk Box. It’s a great channel!
Here are the candidates taking part in the main debate, which starts at 8pm ET:Here are the candidates taking part in the main debate, which starts at 8pm ET:
As with the three prior Republican debates, tonight’s main event, which starts at 8pm ET, will be preceded by a junior varsity debate comprising the four candidates who are polling least well. The venue is named after a beer synonymous with Colorado, if you hate Colorado: the Coors Events Center at the University of Colorado-Boulder.As with the three prior Republican debates, tonight’s main event, which starts at 8pm ET, will be preceded by a junior varsity debate comprising the four candidates who are polling least well. The venue is named after a beer synonymous with Colorado, if you hate Colorado: the Coors Events Center at the University of Colorado-Boulder.
The JV debate is scheduled to start soon, at 6pm ET. Participating in the warm-up will be:The JV debate is scheduled to start soon, at 6pm ET. Participating in the warm-up will be:
Settle in now for a night of bling, zing and cha-cha-cha ching.Settle in now for a night of bling, zing and cha-cha-cha ching.
Along for the ride this evening here at Guardian US are:Along for the ride this evening here at Guardian US are:
To get in the mood, watch our video report: What’s at stake in Colorado?To get in the mood, watch our video report: What’s at stake in Colorado?
You can watch the debate live here.You can watch the debate live here.
Updated at 10.02pm GMTUpdated at 10.02pm GMT