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Trump and co spar on gay rights, equal pay, marijuana ... plus Bush's warm kiss – as it happened Trump and co spar on gay rights, equal pay, marijuana ... plus Bush's warm kiss – as it happened
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The third Republican debate is over. Here’s what we learned:The third Republican debate is over. Here’s what we learned:
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Searches on Google for the candidates tonight:Searches on Google for the candidates tonight:
Replay the #GOPDebate and see how candidates changed ranks in search tonight https://t.co/yMrHFd143Q pic.twitter.com/IqXUGmcfWGReplay the #GOPDebate and see how candidates changed ranks in search tonight https://t.co/yMrHFd143Q pic.twitter.com/IqXUGmcfWG
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Luckily for Jeb! no Republicans have ever heard of this guyLuckily for Jeb! no Republicans have ever heard of this guy
Jeb Bush can eat carbs now... #GOPDebateJeb Bush can eat carbs now... #GOPDebate
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Mike Huckabee was the first one to mention the blimp that came free from its mooring in Maryland today and drifted to Pennsylvania before it was eventually grounded, writes Adam Gabbatt.Mike Huckabee was the first one to mention the blimp that came free from its mooring in Maryland today and drifted to Pennsylvania before it was eventually grounded, writes Adam Gabbatt.
Huckabee: “If you saw that blimp that got cut loose in Maryland today, it’s the perfect example of government.” https://t.co/3yuG8mvNrQHuckabee: “If you saw that blimp that got cut loose in Maryland today, it’s the perfect example of government.” https://t.co/3yuG8mvNrQ
“If you saw that blimp that got cut loose in Maryland today, it’s the perfect example of government,” he said.“If you saw that blimp that got cut loose in Maryland today, it’s the perfect example of government,” he said.
Unfortunately for Huckabee, his own metaphor had even more in common with the blimp. Just as the military lost control of its gaseous vessel, Huckabee quickly lost control of his analogy. Soon his rather hot-aired trope was drifting around without direction or purpose, before eventually flopping to the ground.Unfortunately for Huckabee, his own metaphor had even more in common with the blimp. Just as the military lost control of its gaseous vessel, Huckabee quickly lost control of his analogy. Soon his rather hot-aired trope was drifting around without direction or purpose, before eventually flopping to the ground.
“What we had was something the government made, basically a bag of gas, that got cut loose, destroyed everything in its path, left thousands of people powerless, but they couldn’t get rid of it because we had too much money invested in it.”“What we had was something the government made, basically a bag of gas, that got cut loose, destroyed everything in its path, left thousands of people powerless, but they couldn’t get rid of it because we had too much money invested in it.”
He added bafflingly: “So we had to keep it.”He added bafflingly: “So we had to keep it.”
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Dominic Rushe and Jana Kasperkevic of the Guardian’s business desk were here to cast their keen eyes over the economic aspects of the debate. Here’s what they thought:Dominic Rushe and Jana Kasperkevic of the Guardian’s business desk were here to cast their keen eyes over the economic aspects of the debate. Here’s what they thought:
Dominic Rushe:Dominic Rushe:
So ... lovely as it is to spend the evening with you Jana, that was a bit crap wasn’t it? The main event was better than the kiddie table warm-up and - for such a busy debate - there was some fairly substantive stuff on taxes, on H1-B visas and a few digs at the Fed (stay with me) ... but minimum wage? No. Women’s wages? “I love my mom, government’s bad, OK?”So ... lovely as it is to spend the evening with you Jana, that was a bit crap wasn’t it? The main event was better than the kiddie table warm-up and - for such a busy debate - there was some fairly substantive stuff on taxes, on H1-B visas and a few digs at the Fed (stay with me) ... but minimum wage? No. Women’s wages? “I love my mom, government’s bad, OK?”
Where was the debate on free trade? I miss Trump saying “China”. Pretty lame really for a debate labelled: “Your Money, Your Vote.”Where was the debate on free trade? I miss Trump saying “China”. Pretty lame really for a debate labelled: “Your Money, Your Vote.”
There were more mentions of “middle-class” in the warm-up. And they should have bumped Lindsey Graham up to first class. I was surprised that the crowd got so angry given that very few of the questions really struck a nerve.There were more mentions of “middle-class” in the warm-up. And they should have bumped Lindsey Graham up to first class. I was surprised that the crowd got so angry given that very few of the questions really struck a nerve.
Jana Kasperkevic:Jana Kasperkevic:
I, too, missed Lindsey Graham. You know what else I missed? Serious questions about people’s money. There was too much talk about tax plans. All people want to hear is: “I will tax the rich. I will not tax you. In fact, I will cut your taxes.” Anything other than that and people’s eyes glaze over. I know mine did.I, too, missed Lindsey Graham. You know what else I missed? Serious questions about people’s money. There was too much talk about tax plans. All people want to hear is: “I will tax the rich. I will not tax you. In fact, I will cut your taxes.” Anything other than that and people’s eyes glaze over. I know mine did.
Here are the questions CNBC should have asked:Here are the questions CNBC should have asked:
Do you think $7.25 is high enough for a federal minimum wage?Do you think $7.25 is high enough for a federal minimum wage?
Could you survive on about $15,000 a year?Could you survive on about $15,000 a year?
Do you know the average age of a minimum wage worker in America?Do you know the average age of a minimum wage worker in America?
Nine of the candidates on that stage are millionaires. Ask them: what do you think you and other millionaires should be paying in taxes?Nine of the candidates on that stage are millionaires. Ask them: what do you think you and other millionaires should be paying in taxes?
Ask candidates with children like Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz - are you worried about paying for your kids’ college? How will you do it?Ask candidates with children like Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz - are you worried about paying for your kids’ college? How will you do it?
Ask Carly Fiorina how it felt to be one of the first female CEO? What advice would she give to average American women about asking for a raise? After all, in 2014, US women earned 79 cents for every dollar that men did.Ask Carly Fiorina how it felt to be one of the first female CEO? What advice would she give to average American women about asking for a raise? After all, in 2014, US women earned 79 cents for every dollar that men did.
And why not ask Fiorina about the 30,000 people she laid off at HP? Does she ever think about them?And why not ask Fiorina about the 30,000 people she laid off at HP? Does she ever think about them?
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The chairman of the Republican National Committee is not happy with the proceedings this evening.The chairman of the Republican National Committee is not happy with the proceedings this evening.
The candidates blasted the moderators for asking questions they said were irrelevant or petty or antagonistic.The candidates blasted the moderators for asking questions they said were irrelevant or petty or antagonistic.
CNBC should be ashamed of how this debate was handled. #GOPDebateCNBC should be ashamed of how this debate was handled. #GOPDebate
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It was the Republicans’ big night, but it was Hillary Clinton’s name we kept hearing, reports Lauren Gambino, who is on the campaign trail with the Democratic frontrunner in Bartlett, New Hampshire.It was the Republicans’ big night, but it was Hillary Clinton’s name we kept hearing, reports Lauren Gambino, who is on the campaign trail with the Democratic frontrunner in Bartlett, New Hampshire.
While the top 10 polling Republicans take center stage in Boulder, the Democratic frontrunner is watching the debate – and live texting her reactions – from somewhere* in New Hampshire.While the top 10 polling Republicans take center stage in Boulder, the Democratic frontrunner is watching the debate – and live texting her reactions – from somewhere* in New Hampshire.
*She was asked several times by journalists at two events where she was watching the debate and did not answer. It’s possible too that she couldn’t hear the question amid the adoring throngs, but not likely, leaving us to wonder … where in the Granite State is Hillary Clinton tweeting from?*She was asked several times by journalists at two events where she was watching the debate and did not answer. It’s possible too that she couldn’t hear the question amid the adoring throngs, but not likely, leaving us to wonder … where in the Granite State is Hillary Clinton tweeting from?
Her first text of the night: “Hillary here. I’m here in New Hampshire watching the GOP debate - how about you?”Her first text of the night: “Hillary here. I’m here in New Hampshire watching the GOP debate - how about you?”
Earlier in the evening, Clinton described the third Republican debate as “a little scary” and said she “feels sorry” for her GOP counterparts. During a speech at the party’s Annual Grover Cleveland Dinner in Bartlett – where Cleveland’s grandson George impersonating his presidential ancestor introduced Clinton – she joked: “For those of you masochistic enough to want to watch we’ll try to get you out” of the event in time.Earlier in the evening, Clinton described the third Republican debate as “a little scary” and said she “feels sorry” for her GOP counterparts. During a speech at the party’s Annual Grover Cleveland Dinner in Bartlett – where Cleveland’s grandson George impersonating his presidential ancestor introduced Clinton – she joked: “For those of you masochistic enough to want to watch we’ll try to get you out” of the event in time.
Clinton carried on the joke, saying that the Republican debates are actually a lot like a “reality TV show, but the cast of characters are out of touch with actual reality”. The room roared with laughter.Clinton carried on the joke, saying that the Republican debates are actually a lot like a “reality TV show, but the cast of characters are out of touch with actual reality”. The room roared with laughter.
She also said she felt bad for Republicans, who attacked her “when in doubt, when they have nothing else to say, when they don’t want to take any responsible action”.She also said she felt bad for Republicans, who attacked her “when in doubt, when they have nothing else to say, when they don’t want to take any responsible action”.
Meanwhile, residents in the early voting states of New Hampshire and Iowa are hearing Clinton’s voice coming out of the television, too. The Clinton campaign began airing a series of issue-based television ads featuring working women. Though Clinton does not appear in the ads, she does the voice over.Meanwhile, residents in the early voting states of New Hampshire and Iowa are hearing Clinton’s voice coming out of the television, too. The Clinton campaign began airing a series of issue-based television ads featuring working women. Though Clinton does not appear in the ads, she does the voice over.
So far we’ve seen a commercial about Sarah, the senior business analysts, Alexis, the financial programming associate, Mindy, the cardiac nurse and Cheryl, the Kindergarten teacher.So far we’ve seen a commercial about Sarah, the senior business analysts, Alexis, the financial programming associate, Mindy, the cardiac nurse and Cheryl, the Kindergarten teacher.
Oh, and her team is rapidly working to respond to attacks over immigration, taxes, social security and Medicare, the economy, healthcare, LGBT equality, equal pay, affordable college, gun safety, criminal justice, raising the minimum wage and climate change.Oh, and her team is rapidly working to respond to attacks over immigration, taxes, social security and Medicare, the economy, healthcare, LGBT equality, equal pay, affordable college, gun safety, criminal justice, raising the minimum wage and climate change.
Wherever she is, she’s keeping busy.Wherever she is, she’s keeping busy.
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Jeb Bush’s campaign is angry at CNBC, according to a Politico report, which witnesses a backstage spat.Jeb Bush’s campaign is angry at CNBC, according to a Politico report, which witnesses a backstage spat.
Jeb Bush campaign manager Danny Diaz got into a heated confrontation with a CNBC producer outside the debate as it was happening, according to two sources familiar with the incident.Jeb Bush campaign manager Danny Diaz got into a heated confrontation with a CNBC producer outside the debate as it was happening, according to two sources familiar with the incident.
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Closing statements.Closing statements.
Paul: I want small government. The budget deal this week is terrible. I’m going to filibuster it tomorrow. Enough’s enough.Paul: I want small government. The budget deal this week is terrible. I’m going to filibuster it tomorrow. Enough’s enough.
Christie: Speaking to camera. Are you fed up with Washington? Are you concerned about the debt? Are you serious about it? Then elect someone who’s “deadly serious about changing this culture.” Chris Christie for clean government.Christie: Speaking to camera. Are you fed up with Washington? Are you concerned about the debt? Are you serious about it? Then elect someone who’s “deadly serious about changing this culture.” Chris Christie for clean government.
Cruz: Who up here has actually taken on Washington? I have. My dad fled oppression. Freedom is personal for me.Cruz: Who up here has actually taken on Washington? I have. My dad fled oppression. Freedom is personal for me.
Fiorina: Every election we hear talk and intentions. “What we need now is a proven leader who has produced results. That’s how you go from secretary to CEO.” “I am Hillary Clinton’s worst nightmare. In your heart of hearts you cannot wait to see a debate between [me] and HRC.”Fiorina: Every election we hear talk and intentions. “What we need now is a proven leader who has produced results. That’s how you go from secretary to CEO.” “I am Hillary Clinton’s worst nightmare. In your heart of hearts you cannot wait to see a debate between [me] and HRC.”
Carson: I want to thank my colleagues and the audience “for being attentive and noticing the questions and noticing the answers.” People are waking up. Political correctness stinks.Carson: I want to thank my colleagues and the audience “for being attentive and noticing the questions and noticing the answers.” People are waking up. Political correctness stinks.
Trump: Our country doesn’t win anymore. We used to. We lose on trade, we lose with Isis. With Iran. We don’t win. These folks, CNBC. $250,000 for a 30-second ad. Nobody wants to stand up here for 3.5 hours. They lost a lot of money. Everybody said it was going to be 3.5 hours. And after two minutes. I renegotiated it down to two hours so we can get the hell out of here.Trump: Our country doesn’t win anymore. We used to. We lose on trade, we lose with Isis. With Iran. We don’t win. These folks, CNBC. $250,000 for a 30-second ad. Nobody wants to stand up here for 3.5 hours. They lost a lot of money. Everybody said it was going to be 3.5 hours. And after two minutes. I renegotiated it down to two hours so we can get the hell out of here.
Rubio: America is great. I love it. It’s special. But it’s slipping away. Leaders are out of touch. Let’s expand the American dream. Vote Rubio.Rubio: America is great. I love it. It’s special. But it’s slipping away. Leaders are out of touch. Let’s expand the American dream. Vote Rubio.
Bush: America’s at a crossroads. I will change the culture in Washington. Just as I changed [cough] the culture in Tallahassee. We rule. Thank you.Bush: America’s at a crossroads. I will change the culture in Washington. Just as I changed [cough] the culture in Tallahassee. We rule. Thank you.
Huckabee: To the media this is a game and we’re the players. But we give up our livelihoods and step out on this stage and fight for the people. “For those of us who are serious enough to run for president, think long and hard about why we’re here... we’re not here for ourselves.”Huckabee: To the media this is a game and we’re the players. But we give up our livelihoods and step out on this stage and fight for the people. “For those of us who are serious enough to run for president, think long and hard about why we’re here... we’re not here for ourselves.”
Kasich: If you’ve saved one life, you’ve changed the world. We need to rebuild families. We need to know our neighbors. America is great from the bottom up and the bottom up is us. We will renew America. God Bless America.Kasich: If you’ve saved one life, you’ve changed the world. We need to rebuild families. We need to know our neighbors. America is great from the bottom up and the bottom up is us. We will renew America. God Bless America.
Applause.Applause.
That’s it. Checkered flag.That’s it. Checkered flag.
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Roger Stone is the longtime Republican political operative and former adviser, this cycle, to Donald Trump. He accuses Kasich of dealing pot in the 1970s.Roger Stone is the longtime Republican political operative and former adviser, this cycle, to Donald Trump. He accuses Kasich of dealing pot in the 1970s.
The story feels pretty iffy – not that Kasich sold pot, but that Stone fired him for it in 1976The story feels pretty iffy – not that Kasich sold pot, but that Stone fired him for it in 1976
Hypocrisy ? I fired John Kasich from the 1976 Reagan Campaign ... For selling pot to other field menHypocrisy ? I fired John Kasich from the 1976 Reagan Campaign ... For selling pot to other field men
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It’s Royals 4, Mets 1, in the bottom of the 6th. You can catch up over on our World Series live blog here. Oh wait the debate is back.It’s Royals 4, Mets 1, in the bottom of the 6th. You can catch up over on our World Series live blog here. Oh wait the debate is back.
The #WorldSeries and the #GOPDebate battling it out in search tonight pic.twitter.com/z02yHKzwSoThe #WorldSeries and the #GOPDebate battling it out in search tonight pic.twitter.com/z02yHKzwSo
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Chris Christie = Allen Iverson. “I’m supposed to be a franchised player, and we in here talking about practice. Not a game!”
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Commercial break with closing statements coming up – so who’s winning?
It’s dawning on us that some of you out there have lost the feeling of jaunty adventure normally associated with national presidential debates. Let’s talk about that?
Is there any product I can buy in Colorado that would take my mind off this garbage fire of a debate?
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Bush is asked about betting on fantasy sports. Isn’t that gambling?
“Well first of all, I’m 7-0 in my fantasy football league,” he says. But he says it has to be looked at it. “There has to be some regulation, if they can’t regulate it themselves, the NFL has to look at it.”
Christie strikes with a big applause line, figuratively pulling out his hair that with the urgent crises facing the county the debate has turned to fantasy football.
We are 19tn in debt, we have Isis and al-Qaeda attacking us, and we’re talking about fantasy football?!
Ok. I'm tough on Christie. But his fantasy football answer was his best moment tonight
Harwood, the moderator, talks over Christie in asking a new question, about renewable energy.
“John do you want me to answer or do you want to answer? Because I’ll tell you, even in New Jersey what you’re doing is rude,” Christie says.
More applause. The crowd is against these moderators.
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Jeb Lund
From Guardian US columnist Jeb Lund, live in the “stand your ground” state of Florida:
You know that your campaign is really reaching for anything at the point at which you pledge that, as president, you’ll make sure that America’s cops will no longer feel unsafe when they get out of their cars. Chris Christie is going to #8 with a bullet.
(I actually don’t know where Christie is currently ranked. I can’t think that helped.)
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Kasich is asked about student debt. He says that in Ohio, universities will not get paid under a new plan until students complete courses. He says there are other revenue streams for universities. He uses the word “disintermediate.”
He arrives at a policy proposal. Public service to pay off student debt. “This is a big moral issue for America, living a life bigger than yourself.”
Bush says that government should not get involved in student loans because it would blow up the debt.
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Fiorina says “the more the government gets engaged in the economy, the slower the economy becomes.” She mentions minimum wage laws.
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Cindy Casares
From Guardian US columnist Cindy Casares:
Marco Rubio just said: “Our immigration system, from now on, needs to be merit-based unlike how it was when my parents got in.”
Ok, maybe I’m paraphrasing, but that’s practically what he just said with a straight face. That can’t have been easy.
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Christie says crime is going up because the president does not support police.
The number one job of the president... is to protect the safety and security of the American people. This president has failed.
Actually it’s to uphold the constitution.
Whatever the case, Christie says he would do better.
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Dominic Rushe
Much more substance in the “grown-up” debate, writes Dominic Rushe.
There was almost a serious debate about visas and in particular the H-1B visas, given to skilled tech workers from abroad, that Silicon Valley is lobbying so hard to have increased.
There is some compelling evidence that H-1B visas, loved by Mark Zuckerberg et al, are a scam. This study from the Economic Policy Institute found the top 10 users of H-1B’s were all offshore outsourcing firms.
“There are two reasons these firms hire H-1Bs instead of Americans: 1) an H-1B worker can legally be paid less than a U.S. worker in the same occupation and locality; and 2) the H-1B worker learns the job and then rotates back to the home country and takes the work with him,” according to the report.
Zuckerberg-backed lobby FWD.US has been pushing for an increase, supported by Rubio. And Trump has been highly critical of the scheme - but not tonight.
Trump has called for employers to pay H-1B workers much more money in an attempt to discourage companies and boost job prospects for Americans. He also wants tech jobs offered to unemployed Americans before workers with H-1B visas
“This will improve the number of black, Hispanic and female workers in Silicon Valley who have been passed over in favor of the H-1B program. Mark Zuckerberg’s personal Senator, Marco Rubio, has a bill to triple H-1Bs that would decimate women and minorities,” Trump wrote in his immigration plan in August. Tonight he had no problem with Zuck! Interesting. He’s prepared to take on CNBC, even Fox, but not Facebook.
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Huckabee is asked whether Trump has the moral authority to unite the country.
Huckabee says he loves Donald Trump, “he’s a good man.”
“I’m wearing a Donald Trump tie tonight, get over that one.”
Is it made in Mexico? Kasich asks.
“That’s a nasty question,” Trump says, apparently in reference to the original question but perhaps to the Mexico question.