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12.29am GMT00:29
Huckabee: no sandwiches for Isis
Huckabee takes a question about Syrian refugees. “We don’t have an obligation to just open our doors,” Huckabee has said.
But should USA take Syrian refugees?
“I’ve been concerned that this administration has not done anything to help stop the slaughter of Christians... but we’re going to open our doors so that ISIS people can just come on in and give them a place to stay, and medical benefits, and sandwiches?”
“Frankly, if we’ve got as many people as we have, I’m not sure this makes any sense’
12.27am GMT00:27
They’re back! Santorum takes a question about his opposition to the 2008 automakers bailout.
“I’m a capitalist not a corporatist. I’m not somebody who believes that we should bail out corporations, whether they’re automakers or banks.”
Santorum says Obama – not by name – “is killing, choking our ability to compete” with excessive regulation.
He points out that he supports the Export-Import bank, unlike his rivals, “because it means jobs for American workers, here in America.”
Santorum is the most consistent pro-manufacturing candidate in the race?
12.26am GMT00:26
It's like watching unpopular boys bitching about why they didn't get a prom date. #GOPDebate https://t.co/xAegwz9bB1 pic.twitter.com/cjQ0psgzTP
12.23am GMT00:23
Commercial break. Wow this commercial is terrifying. Moby Dick the movie?
So who won the first tranche? Each candidate won applause. Jindal’s attack on Huckabee felt a little beside the point. Christie seems to be running a different race from the others.
12.21am GMT00:21
Christie: 'Hillary Clinton’s coming for your wallet everybody'
Christie jumps in. “If you think that Mike Huckabee won’t be the kind of president that will cut spending... wait until you see what Hillary Clinton will do. She’s the real adversary tonight...”
Christie has brought up Clinton twice. The only one so far to have done so by name.
Hillary Clinton’s coming for your wallet everybody. Don’t worry about Huckabee or Jindal. Worry about her.
Updated at 12.24am GMT
12.19am GMT00:19
Huckabee gently takes issue. “A lot of us have cut things,” he says. In Arkansas, he says, he cut 11% out of the state budget.
“It’s just not accurate to say everybody here hasn’t cut.”
Jindal responds. He attacks Huckabee for expanding the Arkansas state government. “Spending went up 65% and the number of workers went up 25%,” he says. “Numbers don’t lie.”
Huckabee wants to reply but nope.
12.19am GMT00:19
Jindal: On filibusters, when they go to relieve themselves their cause and their toilets get flushed at the same time
12.18am GMT00:18
Jindal is asked about GOP problems nationally, despite holding 32/ 50 govenors’ seats.
Jindal basically says that the problem is the national Republican party is not radical enough.
“The reason we keep losing nationally is because we try to be cheaper versions of the Democratic party. What if Republicans actually embraced our own principles?”
“Let’s be conservatives, let’s be Republicans.”
12.16am GMT00:16
Huckabee takes a question about taxes. Instead of answering he delivers his applause lines about Social Security and Medicare. Which are not, à la Christie, let’s cut entitlements.
Huckabee’s message on this is, “those aren’t entitlements – you paid for them!”
Applause from the crowd. Cut taxes, preserve entitlements, clap clap clap.
12.15am GMT00:15
Dominic Rushe
Oh dear – the tax man is really in for it tonight, notes Guardian US business editor Dominic Rushe.
Christie wants to sack IRS officers, Huckabee wants to close the entire office.
The IRS’s budget has been cut 18% since 2010 and employs 13,000 less people. Business and personal audits are at their lowest levels for a decade. The Center on Budget and Policy Priorities says those cuts have hurt average tax payers:
“Funding cuts hurt honest taxpayers as they filed their taxes this year: more than half of the calls to the IRS were not answered. Even if taxpayers were able to get through to an agent, they had to wait more than 20 minutes, on average, and the IRS would answer only “basic” tax questions. Moreover, many IRS field offices have closed, which made it more difficult for taxpayers, particularly those who have low incomes or are “offline,” to get assistance filing their returns. Funding cuts have also weakened the agency’s ability to curb tax fraud, tax evasion, and other illegal activities. The IRS estimates that individual and business audit rates have fallen to their lowest levels in a decade, and may continue to fall amid budget cuts.”
12.14am GMT00:14
Santorum is asked about single moms and how he could help them. He says his tax code would benefit families.
Then he makes an argument about welfare amounting to an incentive not to work – or marry.
“We have incentivized people to cohabit instead of marry. Why? Because mom will lose welfare benefits,” he says.
We’ve got all sorts of really corrupt incentives in place. Well meaning by the left. We need to remove them.
12.12am GMT00:12
Christie: Democrats will raise taxes to '70, 80%'
Christie is asked about how he can compete with Democrats who have so much to “promise” voters – free health care.
Christie laughs.
“They’re going to raise your tax rates to 70, 80% in order to provide all that stuff,” he says.
Christie cusses in passion.
“Get the government the hell out of the way and let the American people win once again!”
Applause.
12.10am GMT00:10
Jindal takes a question about Lousiana’s unemployment rate and whether energy jobs, of the kind he has encouraged, are the way forward for economic growth.
Jindal rejects the premise. “We’re a top 10 state for jobs growth... the reality is, we’ve diversified our economy.”
Then he starts winging raw steak to the appreciative crowd. “Path to socialism” – will he say it every answer?
“Are we willing to cut the government economy to advance the American economy. That’s the fundamental question that we’ve got to answer. We are on the path to socialism right now.”
12.08am GMT00:08
Question for Santorum, about the improving employment rate. How is that not good?
Santorum said the “middle of America has been hollowed out.” Then he tells a story about visiting a manufacturing plant where he heard that the US has tens of thousands of welding jobs waiting to be filled.
“The issue is yes, we need a tax code – [and] we’re going to do something about regulation, but we have to start doing something about training and employing people who are sitting on the sidelines and don’t see a path.”
Strong from Santorum, rewarded with applause.
12.06am GMT00:06
Second Q. For Huckabee. Asked how he will help the United States navigate toward the new economy, Huckabee says: “I don’t know why we have to move away from manufacturing,” to applause.
We’re waiting for him to describe the new manufacturing jobs for the USA.
No new jobs! Get the old ones back. He says his tax code would “bring the jobs back” from Mexico, because “you don’t tax capital and labor”.
US manufacturing has fled abroad because of taxes and will quickly return if the IRS is abolished, is his argument.
Applause.
Updated at 12.06am GMT
12.04am GMT00:04
First question for Christie, about anemic growth (what was it, 3.9%?) and unemployment (falling past 5%?). How will he put America back to work?
Christie says we’ve just seen the “worst recovery from an economic recession since WWII” – but a recovery’s a recovery, right?
No. He calls for tax reform and “firing a whole bunch of IRS agents”. He wants to repeal Dodd-Frank banking regulations and “lift it off the backs” of the middle class.
Updated at 12.06am GMT
12.02am GMT00:02
Santorum, Christie, Huckabee and Jindal at the undercard #RepDebate pic.twitter.com/qpk6sm0IoJ
12.01am GMT00:01
Live from Milwaukee, it's the kids'-table undercard debate!
It’s started.
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Updated at 12.04am GMT
12.00am GMT00:00
FiveThirtyEight’s Harry Enten says what’s on everybody’s mind tonight.
I'm gonna miss Pataki.
11.56pm GMT23:56
We’re not far from the undercard now. Get comfortable. Christie, Huckabee, Jindal, Santorum. Should be good!
11.50pm GMT23:5011.50pm GMT23:50
Tonight is supposed in part to be about the candidates’ plans for economic growth and tax policy, which amounts to dutiful descriptions from the stage of plans that have no chance of being enacted but every chance of being dissected afterward by analysts trying to glimpse what these people actually are out for.Tonight is supposed in part to be about the candidates’ plans for economic growth and tax policy, which amounts to dutiful descriptions from the stage of plans that have no chance of being enacted but every chance of being dissected afterward by analysts trying to glimpse what these people actually are out for.
Not up on the candidates’ tax plans, which in your defense remain mostly sketchy and unarticulated? The Tax Policy Center has your back. Enjoy:Not up on the candidates’ tax plans, which in your defense remain mostly sketchy and unarticulated? The Tax Policy Center has your back. Enjoy:
Ready for tonights 4th #GOPDebate? If you need your tax proposal cheat sheet we have you covered: https://t.co/fcTJRCZumV #election2016Ready for tonights 4th #GOPDebate? If you need your tax proposal cheat sheet we have you covered: https://t.co/fcTJRCZumV #election2016
11.43pm GMT23:4311.43pm GMT23:43
What is the purpose of secret service code names if they announce to the whole world what they are?What is the purpose of secret service code names if they announce to the whole world what they are?
Anyway, Trump and Carson, as the polling frontrunners for the Republican nomination, have a measure of secret service protection now, to the point that they can add “earned secret service nickname” to their CVs / résumés (when are they going to come up with an American word for it).Anyway, Trump and Carson, as the polling frontrunners for the Republican nomination, have a measure of secret service protection now, to the point that they can add “earned secret service nickname” to their CVs / résumés (when are they going to come up with an American word for it).
You may remember in the second Republican debate the candidates were asked to say what they wanted their nicknames to be, and Christie said Trueheart and Bush said Eveready and Trump said Humble and Carson said One Nation.You may remember in the second Republican debate the candidates were asked to say what they wanted their nicknames to be, and Christie said Trueheart and Bush said Eveready and Trump said Humble and Carson said One Nation.
Trump and Carson must not have contacted the right bureaucrat, because the names have been assigned, and they did not get their first choices. Carson was named for a Biblical high priest and Trump was named after a bump on a ski run:Trump and Carson must not have contacted the right bureaucrat, because the names have been assigned, and they did not get their first choices. Carson was named for a Biblical high priest and Trump was named after a bump on a ski run:
Source confirms to ABC that @RealBenCarson's Secret Service code name will be "Eli" and @realDonaldTrump's will be "Mogul." -@KFauldersSource confirms to ABC that @RealBenCarson's Secret Service code name will be "Eli" and @realDonaldTrump's will be "Mogul." -@KFaulders
Updated at 11.43pm GMTUpdated at 11.43pm GMT
11.37pm GMT23:3711.37pm GMT23:37
Spare a thought for the losers: both Senator Lindsey Graham and former New York governor George Pataki were dropped from the undercard debate tonight, not quite having bent the old pole back far enough to vault the 1%-level support in at least one of the four most recent national polls required to get in. (It took 2.5% to get into the main event, a mark that foiled Christie and Huckabee.)Spare a thought for the losers: both Senator Lindsey Graham and former New York governor George Pataki were dropped from the undercard debate tonight, not quite having bent the old pole back far enough to vault the 1%-level support in at least one of the four most recent national polls required to get in. (It took 2.5% to get into the main event, a mark that foiled Christie and Huckabee.)
Undaunted, Graham told the Guardian: “I don’t think I am an undercard person and not an undercard candidate.” Ben Jacobs reports:Undaunted, Graham told the Guardian: “I don’t think I am an undercard person and not an undercard candidate.” Ben Jacobs reports:
The problem with the debates, he said, was that the criteria for entry to the top table favored those candidates who “had a TV show”.The problem with the debates, he said, was that the criteria for entry to the top table favored those candidates who “had a TV show”.
Instead of debating on Tuesday night, the South Carolina senator said he would use the social media network Sidewire, which promises “news and analysis from insiders without the noise”, to share his thoughts on the main debate.Instead of debating on Tuesday night, the South Carolina senator said he would use the social media network Sidewire, which promises “news and analysis from insiders without the noise”, to share his thoughts on the main debate.
“We’ll be commenting on policy and trying to have a sense of humor,” he said.“We’ll be commenting on policy and trying to have a sense of humor,” he said.
Time to sign up for Sidewire!Time to sign up for Sidewire!
11.30pm GMT23:3011.30pm GMT23:30
Could tonight CHANGE EVERYTHING?!Could tonight CHANGE EVERYTHING?!
The Fox Business-WSJ debates start tonight at 7p ET! Here's how to watch: https://t.co/t2ijHYV3VJ pic.twitter.com/Akjw5OZ8mgThe Fox Business-WSJ debates start tonight at 7p ET! Here's how to watch: https://t.co/t2ijHYV3VJ pic.twitter.com/Akjw5OZ8mg
Far out man.Far out man.
11.25pm GMT23:2511.25pm GMT23:25
The Republican candidates felt so poorly treated in the last debate by host network CNBC that they complained onstage about the questions and held a meeting afterward to draft demands for future debates.The Republican candidates felt so poorly treated in the last debate by host network CNBC that they complained onstage about the questions and held a meeting afterward to draft demands for future debates.
But tonight’s debate host, Fox Business, is not subject to the new Republican demands, the Guardian’s Ed Pilkington reports, “partly perhaps because of the strong obeisance shown by senior Republicans towards Roger Ailes, the chairman and CEO of Fox News and Fox Business Network”:But tonight’s debate host, Fox Business, is not subject to the new Republican demands, the Guardian’s Ed Pilkington reports, “partly perhaps because of the strong obeisance shown by senior Republicans towards Roger Ailes, the chairman and CEO of Fox News and Fox Business Network”:
Nonetheless, some changes will be on display in Milwaukee that could notably influence the tone of the debate....The network has also agreed to extend the cutoff time for candidates’ answers from 60 to 90 seconds.Nonetheless, some changes will be on display in Milwaukee that could notably influence the tone of the debate....The network has also agreed to extend the cutoff time for candidates’ answers from 60 to 90 seconds.
RNC chairman Reince Priebus sent a letter to committee members describing the national party’s efforts to manage tonight’s spectacle:RNC chairman Reince Priebus sent a letter to committee members describing the national party’s efforts to manage tonight’s spectacle:
A top R passes along the letter that @Reince just sent to RNC members. Here's part of it: pic.twitter.com/GsooFl7y6ZA top R passes along the letter that @Reince just sent to RNC members. Here's part of it: pic.twitter.com/GsooFl7y6Z
11.18pm GMT23:1811.18pm GMT23:18
Just weeks ago, a confrontation between Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio at the third Republican debate marked a critical turning point in the trajectories of the two former Florida allies and their presidential campaigns, the Guardian’s Sabrina Siddiqui reminds us.Just weeks ago, a confrontation between Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio at the third Republican debate marked a critical turning point in the trajectories of the two former Florida allies and their presidential campaigns, the Guardian’s Sabrina Siddiqui reminds us.
It not only underscored the perils of Bush, the state’s former governor, trying to attack Rubio, one of its senators, but also left many political observers baffled by the Bush campaign’s tactics and decision to target his former protege.It not only underscored the perils of Bush, the state’s former governor, trying to attack Rubio, one of its senators, but also left many political observers baffled by the Bush campaign’s tactics and decision to target his former protege.
Click through below for all the dark intrigue that defines Bush-Rubio:Click through below for all the dark intrigue that defines Bush-Rubio:
Jeb's Rubio problem: How to be an antagonist toward a candidate he promoted for years as a next-generation leader https://t.co/21oURfiJYxJeb's Rubio problem: How to be an antagonist toward a candidate he promoted for years as a next-generation leader https://t.co/21oURfiJYx
10.47pm GMT22:4710.47pm GMT22:47
Hello! And welcome to our coverage of the fourth Republican presidential debate.Hello! And welcome to our coverage of the fourth Republican presidential debate.
What makes this night different from all other nights? We’re going to Milwaukee! That’s right – the traveling GOP circus is pitching tent tonight in Beer Town, once home to four of the largest breweries on Earth, which together sound like the perfect law firm for DUIs: Blatz, Miller, Pabst & Schlitz.What makes this night different from all other nights? We’re going to Milwaukee! That’s right – the traveling GOP circus is pitching tent tonight in Beer Town, once home to four of the largest breweries on Earth, which together sound like the perfect law firm for DUIs: Blatz, Miller, Pabst & Schlitz.
Ah, Milwaukee. Donald Trump’s going to be here. There’s quite a lot on the line, actually, considering how fast the calendar is flipping, and the growing pressure on certain candidates – looking at you, Jeb Bush – to make the kind of move that says “yes” to voters and “$$” to donors.Ah, Milwaukee. Donald Trump’s going to be here. There’s quite a lot on the line, actually, considering how fast the calendar is flipping, and the growing pressure on certain candidates – looking at you, Jeb Bush – to make the kind of move that says “yes” to voters and “$$” to donors.
But on the off chance that you don’t want to think about Jeb, we’ve prepared a nice buffet of narratives for you to choose from as we prepare to watch. Tonight might be about Ben Carson, and whether he responds to the beating his biography took this week. It might be about Trump, and whether he will amplify his attacks on Carson. Will Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz top the strong reviews they won last time? Will Chris Christie, who for the first time has been removed from the main event, crush the undercard? Will the Bush vs Rubio rivalry get ugly?But on the off chance that you don’t want to think about Jeb, we’ve prepared a nice buffet of narratives for you to choose from as we prepare to watch. Tonight might be about Ben Carson, and whether he responds to the beating his biography took this week. It might be about Trump, and whether he will amplify his attacks on Carson. Will Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz top the strong reviews they won last time? Will Chris Christie, who for the first time has been removed from the main event, crush the undercard? Will the Bush vs Rubio rivalry get ugly?
Will one of the candidates actually leave the stage and kick the personal ass, on behalf of America, of an actual member of the media?Will one of the candidates actually leave the stage and kick the personal ass, on behalf of America, of an actual member of the media?
If it happens, you’ll hear about it here first. For an enhanced media consumption experience, we encourage you to stream the debate live on foxbusiness.com as you read.If it happens, you’ll hear about it here first. For an enhanced media consumption experience, we encourage you to stream the debate live on foxbusiness.com as you read.
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Tonight’s debate will be hosted and broadcast by Fox Business Network in conjunction with the Wall Street Journal. “The questions will focus on jobs, taxes and the general health of the economy, as well as domestic and international policy issues,” Fox says.Tonight’s debate will be hosted and broadcast by Fox Business Network in conjunction with the Wall Street Journal. “The questions will focus on jobs, taxes and the general health of the economy, as well as domestic and international policy issues,” Fox says.
The undercard debate, a one-hour bout beginning at 7pm ET, will be hosted by FBN anchors Sandra Smith and Trish Regan, and WSJ Washington bureau chief Gerald Seib.The undercard debate, a one-hour bout beginning at 7pm ET, will be hosted by FBN anchors Sandra Smith and Trish Regan, and WSJ Washington bureau chief Gerald Seib.
The two-hour primetime debate follows at 9pm ET and will be moderated by Neil Cavuto and Maria Bartiromo of Fox News, with WSJ editor Gerard Baker.The two-hour primetime debate follows at 9pm ET and will be moderated by Neil Cavuto and Maria Bartiromo of Fox News, with WSJ editor Gerard Baker.
Here are the candidates taking part in the main debate at 9pm:Here are the candidates taking part in the main debate at 9pm:
Here’s the 7pm undercard lineup:Here’s the 7pm undercard lineup:
Along for the ride this evening here at Guardian US are:Along for the ride this evening here at Guardian US are:
Schlemeel, schlemazel, hasenfeffer incorporated!Schlemeel, schlemazel, hasenfeffer incorporated!
Updated at 11.49pm GMTUpdated at 11.49pm GMT