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Democratic debate: candidates spar on terrorism, Wall Street reform, healthcare — as it happened Democratic debate: candidates spar on terrorism, Wall Street reform, healthcare — as it happened
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We’re wrapping up our live politics coverage for the evening. You can read our fresh news coverage of the second Democratic debate here:We’re wrapping up our live politics coverage for the evening. You can read our fresh news coverage of the second Democratic debate here:
Democratic debate: candidates face off on foreign policy in light of Paris attacks.Democratic debate: candidates face off on foreign policy in light of Paris attacks.
For the latest on the Paris attacks and the aftermath, visit our ongoing live coverage here.For the latest on the Paris attacks and the aftermath, visit our ongoing live coverage here.
Thanks for joining us for the debate – good night, or good morning, good day – wherever you may be.Thanks for joining us for the debate – good night, or good morning, good day – wherever you may be.
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The Republicans weren’t wowed by Clinton’s performance, Guardian political reporter Sabrina Siddiqui reports:The Republicans weren’t wowed by Clinton’s performance, Guardian political reporter Sabrina Siddiqui reports:
RNC: "Tonight’s debate reinforced that [Hillary Clinton] is inconsistent on issues, weak on terrorism and beholden to special interests."RNC: "Tonight’s debate reinforced that [Hillary Clinton] is inconsistent on issues, weak on terrorism and beholden to special interests."
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Now that the debate is safely over:Now that the debate is safely over:
And it looks Iowa just put the game away against Minnesota. So now Iowans will finally change the channel and watch #DemDebateAnd it looks Iowa just put the game away against Minnesota. So now Iowans will finally change the channel and watch #DemDebate
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Here are the moments that generated the most conversation on Twitter, via Twitter:Here are the moments that generated the most conversation on Twitter, via Twitter:
And here are a couple fun tracking tools from Google, tracking searches for candidates and for issues:And here are a couple fun tracking tools from Google, tracking searches for candidates and for issues:
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The second Democratic debate is through. Here’s a summary of what we learned:The second Democratic debate is through. Here’s a summary of what we learned:
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From Washington, political reporter Ben Jacobs writes about one of the more controversial moments of the debate – Hillary Clinton’s recourse to 9/11 while answering a question about Wall Street:From Washington, political reporter Ben Jacobs writes about one of the more controversial moments of the debate – Hillary Clinton’s recourse to 9/11 while answering a question about Wall Street:
Hillary Clinton drew attention on the internet for all the wrong reasons during Saturday night’s debate, after an answer to a question about Wall Street that was so awkward it prompted a follow-up question from Twitter.Hillary Clinton drew attention on the internet for all the wrong reasons during Saturday night’s debate, after an answer to a question about Wall Street that was so awkward it prompted a follow-up question from Twitter.
The former secretary of state responded to an accusation from Senator Bernie Sanders that she was too close to Wall Street by citing the terrorist attacks of 11 September 2001. Clinton said: “So I represented New York. I represented New York on 9/11 when we were attacked. Where were we attacked? We were attacked in downtown Manhattan, where Wall Street is.”The former secretary of state responded to an accusation from Senator Bernie Sanders that she was too close to Wall Street by citing the terrorist attacks of 11 September 2001. Clinton said: “So I represented New York. I represented New York on 9/11 when we were attacked. Where were we attacked? We were attacked in downtown Manhattan, where Wall Street is.”
The answer provoked outrage on Twitter, where many thought that the former secretary of state was somehow invoking 9/11 to shield herself from criticism. One tweet, from University of Iowa law professor Andy Grewal, was cited by debate moderator Nancy Cordes in a follow up question:The answer provoked outrage on Twitter, where many thought that the former secretary of state was somehow invoking 9/11 to shield herself from criticism. One tweet, from University of Iowa law professor Andy Grewal, was cited by debate moderator Nancy Cordes in a follow up question:
Have never seen a candidate invoke 9/11 to justify millions of Wall Street donations. Until now. @HillaryClinton #DemDebateHave never seen a candidate invoke 9/11 to justify millions of Wall Street donations. Until now. @HillaryClinton #DemDebate
Clinton’s answer was an echo of a statement from the previous Democratic debate, in which she made clear that as a senator from New York she had represented all of the Empire State. However, she had not previously referenced the 11 September terrorist attacks.Clinton’s answer was an echo of a statement from the previous Democratic debate, in which she made clear that as a senator from New York she had represented all of the Empire State. However, she had not previously referenced the 11 September terrorist attacks.
The statement prompted attacks both from her Democratic opponents and Republicans. A top aide to long-shot Democrat Martin O’Malley cited her family’s experience in the attack:The statement prompted attacks both from her Democratic opponents and Republicans. A top aide to long-shot Democrat Martin O’Malley cited her family’s experience in the attack:
My dad worked in WTC from the day it was built to the day it went down. @HillaryClinton, never invoke 9/11 to justify your Wall St positionsMy dad worked in WTC from the day it was built to the day it went down. @HillaryClinton, never invoke 9/11 to justify your Wall St positions
On the other side of the divide, Republican National Committee chairman Reince Priebus took to Twitter to express his own outrage:On the other side of the divide, Republican National Committee chairman Reince Priebus took to Twitter to express his own outrage:
.@HillaryClinton, you reached a new low tonight by using 9/11 to defend your campaign donations. #DemDebate.@HillaryClinton, you reached a new low tonight by using 9/11 to defend your campaign donations. #DemDebate
Yet for all her struggles with that answer, at least one observer on Twitter thought Clinton had not had such a bad night – at least in comparison with one other participant…Yet for all her struggles with that answer, at least one observer on Twitter thought Clinton had not had such a bad night – at least in comparison with one other participant…
Hillary and Sanders are not doing well, but what is the failed former Mayor of Baltimore doing on that stage? O'Malley is a clown.Hillary and Sanders are not doing well, but what is the failed former Mayor of Baltimore doing on that stage? O'Malley is a clown.
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From our US opinion editor:From our US opinion editor:
It was hard not to notice that for the second time, women’s issues were barely mentioned in the Democratic debate unless Clinton (or, to a lesser degree, her rivals) brought them up.It was hard not to notice that for the second time, women’s issues were barely mentioned in the Democratic debate unless Clinton (or, to a lesser degree, her rivals) brought them up.
The candidates and their moderator made it nearly 90 minutes in (as NY Magazine writer at large Rebecca Traister noted) without even mentioning Planned Parenthood, though federal funding for its non-abortion services nearly caused a government shutdown since the last Democratic debate.The candidates and their moderator made it nearly 90 minutes in (as NY Magazine writer at large Rebecca Traister noted) without even mentioning Planned Parenthood, though federal funding for its non-abortion services nearly caused a government shutdown since the last Democratic debate.
For all that Clinton has tried to make the argument on the stump and in general that “women’s issues” – from birth control and abortion to equal pay and paid family leave – are actually issues that affect both men and women in concrete ways, and for all that Bernie Sanders used Clinton’s framing of those issues during the debate, it’s as though “women’s issues” are still considered “niche”.For all that Clinton has tried to make the argument on the stump and in general that “women’s issues” – from birth control and abortion to equal pay and paid family leave – are actually issues that affect both men and women in concrete ways, and for all that Bernie Sanders used Clinton’s framing of those issues during the debate, it’s as though “women’s issues” are still considered “niche”.
Though women represent half the population of the US, issues that have a disproportionate impact on women still apparently feel “too niche” to be part of a debate in which two of three candidates couldn’t stop saying “Glass-Steagall”, like it was some talisman to ward off the warlocks of Wall Street.Though women represent half the population of the US, issues that have a disproportionate impact on women still apparently feel “too niche” to be part of a debate in which two of three candidates couldn’t stop saying “Glass-Steagall”, like it was some talisman to ward off the warlocks of Wall Street.
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The candidates are leaving the stage, greeting people in the crowd.The candidates are leaving the stage, greeting people in the crowd.
How do you think they did?How do you think they did?
I still need to be convinced that “I’m a baby boomer, like the voters I need” is gonna hurt her. Depends on R. https://t.co/ZKyWqPnniqI still need to be convinced that “I’m a baby boomer, like the voters I need” is gonna hurt her. Depends on R. https://t.co/ZKyWqPnniq
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Some video… at the start of the debate in Des Moines, each candidate was invited to comment on the terrorist attacks in Paris the night before …Some video… at the start of the debate in Des Moines, each candidate was invited to comment on the terrorist attacks in Paris the night before …
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Closing statements.Closing statements.
O’Malley: Our country’s problems can only be addressed with new thinking. We cannot resort to “divisive ideologies” or “polarizing figures” from our past. We need a new foreign policy. There is no challenge too great. New leadership. New new new.O’Malley: Our country’s problems can only be addressed with new thinking. We cannot resort to “divisive ideologies” or “polarizing figures” from our past. We need a new foreign policy. There is no challenge too great. New leadership. New new new.
Clinton: I’ve heard a lot about me in this debate. I’m going to keep talking and thinking about you. “The president’s job is to do everything possible, everything she can do to help lift up” the people of the country. I will work my heart out.Clinton: I’ve heard a lot about me in this debate. I’m going to keep talking and thinking about you. “The president’s job is to do everything possible, everything she can do to help lift up” the people of the country. I will work my heart out.
Sanders: USA has an income and wealth inequality problem. Campaign finance is broke. Health care is broken. We need paid family and medical leave. In order to bring about these changes, we need a political revolution. Turn off the TV, get involved in the political process.Sanders: USA has an income and wealth inequality problem. Campaign finance is broke. Health care is broken. We need paid family and medical leave. In order to bring about these changes, we need a political revolution. Turn off the TV, get involved in the political process.
Bernie Sanders, on TV, tells people to turn off the TV.Bernie Sanders, on TV, tells people to turn off the TV.
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Final segment of this debate.Final segment of this debate.
What crisis have you faced that suggest you are prepared to be president?What crisis have you faced that suggest you are prepared to be president?
Clinton: ‘There are so many I don’t know where to start.”Clinton: ‘There are so many I don’t know where to start.”
She picks the bin Laden raid.She picks the bin Laden raid.
“The fact that I was part of a very small group that had to advise the president about whether or not to go after Bin Laden.“The fact that I was part of a very small group that had to advise the president about whether or not to go after Bin Laden.
“There was no certainty attached to it. The intelligence was by no means absolute.“There was no certainty attached to it. The intelligence was by no means absolute.
“In the end I recommended to the president to take the chance to do what we could.“In the end I recommended to the president to take the chance to do what we could.
I”t was an excruciating experience, I couldn’t talk to anyone about it.”I”t was an excruciating experience, I couldn’t talk to anyone about it.”
Afterwards, she says, Obama called all the former presidents, including Bill Clinton. Obama told Bill Clinton “I assume Hillary’s told you,” Hillary Clinton says.Afterwards, she says, Obama called all the former presidents, including Bill Clinton. Obama told Bill Clinton “I assume Hillary’s told you,” Hillary Clinton says.
Nope, she hadn’t, she says he said.Nope, she hadn’t, she says he said.
O'Malley: "Damn, naw, I can't beat that."O'Malley: "Damn, naw, I can't beat that."
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Not only is O’Malley having to fight from time – he’s taking some tough knocks from the peanut gallery:
Hillary and Sanders are not doing well, but what is the failed former Mayor of Baltimore doing on that stage? O'Malley is a clown.
A response, perhaps, to O’Malley’s line earlier, calling Trump an “immigrant-bashing carnival barker”?
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Clinton gets applause for saying that “we should be doing everything we can” to defend the affordable care act and improve it.
Clinton criticizes Sanders’ health care plan for setting up state-by-state administration, which in Iowa would mean a role for the Republican governor.
“I would not want, if I lived in Iowa, Terry Branstad administering health care,” Clinton says, to strong applause.
Commercial break. Once again O’Malley tries to get in a point right before the break and gets shut down. He’s having to fight for time a bit.
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O’Malley gets off a laugh line on the topic of college debt relief. His father went to college on the GI bill, he says, while his daughters went to college on “a mountain of bills.”
We were proud of them on graduation day but we’re going to be proud every month for the rest of our natural lives.
Laughs.
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Clinton says she has met the parents of “Eric Garner, Tamir Rice, Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin, so many of them.”
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O’Malley takes a question about race and criminal justice reform. He says that drug sentencing and enforcement are important issues. “Black lives matter,” he says.
Sanders suggests “we take marijuana out of the federal law as a crime.”
Clinton is asked about activism at University of Missouri.
“Well John, I come from the sixties. A long time ago. There was a lot of activism on campus... and I do appreciate the way young people are standing up and speaking out.
“I think reflects the deep sense of concern, even despair, that so many young people, particularly people of color have.”
"I come from the '60s. Long time ago" was basically the Obama campaign against Clinton
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Clinton: 'Republicans are putting forth alarming plans'
She gets another question about the emails. Can she assure Democrats that there is not “another shoe about to drop”?
“I think after 11 hours, that’s pretty clear, yes,” she says, to applause.
Then she hammers Republicans some more.
“They are putting forth alarming plans,” she says, listing Planned Parenthood, climate change, equal pay for equal work.
“They don’t support any of that. Let us focus on what this election is really going to be about.”
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Sanders: 'still sick and tired of Hillary Clinton's emails'
Sanders is asked why he commented in the press on Clinton’s emails after saying that he was sick of them. “It’s a media thing,” he says.
“I was sick and tired of Hillary Clinton’s emails. I’m still sick and tired of Hillary Clinton’s emails... We’ve gotten off of Hillary’s emails, good. Let’s go to the major issues facing America.”
Secretary Clinton, your response?
“I agree completely! I couldn’t have said it better myself.” Big smile.
Then she turns the conversation to Republicans, reminding the audience of the general election fight ahead.
“Look at what’s happening to Republicans. They are doing everything they can to prevent people’s voices being heard,” she says. Then she says Obama “deserves more credit than he gets” for getting a lot done in the face of Republican obstructionism.
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Sabrina Siddiqui
From Sabrina Siddiqui in Des Moines:
Hillary Clinton declined to use the phrase “radical Islam” during the debate.
The former secretary of state was asked to respond to an assertion by Marco Rubio, one of the top Republican presidential contenders, that recent terrorist attacks in Paris showed “we’re at war with radical Islam”.
Asked if she agreed with the Florida senator’s characterization, Clinton said the war was one against “jihadists”.
Related: Cruz and Rubio lead Republican charge against Obama over Syria policy
“I don’t think we’re at war with Islam. I don’t think we’re at war with all Muslims,” Clinton said.
Moderator John Dickerson interrupted Clinton to clarify that Rubio did not say “all Muslims”, but rather “radical Islam”.
Clinton said there were “Islamists who clearly are also jihadists”. But she added it was “not particularly helpful” for the goal of reaching out to Muslim countries “if they hear people running for president who basically shortcut it to say we are somehow against Islam”.
“We’ve got to have them be part of our coalition,” Clinton said.
She went on to praise President George W Bush for his memorable visit to a mosque just days after the 9/11 attacks, where he declared the US was “not at war with Islam or Muslims [but] at war with violent extremism”.
“I don’t want us to be painting with too broad a brush,” Clinton said.
Clinton’s response put her mostly in line with Barack Obama, who has rejected the phrase “radical Islam”. Using the term, the president has argued, grants terrorists a legitimacy as religious leaders that they do not deserve. Unlike Clinton, however, Obama also does not use the phrase “jihadists”.
Republican presidential candidates, including Rubio, have sharply criticized the president for refusing to say the words “radical Islam”.
After Clinton’s debate answer, an aide to Rubio’s campaign quickly tweeted: “.@marcorubio talked about clash of civilizations today youtu.be/q8qa2ZRaOmc and tonight @HillaryClinton can’t even say “radical Islam”.
Former Florida governor Jeb Bush also responded with a tweet: “Yes, we are at war with radical Islamic terrorism. #DemDebate”.
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They’re back. Question for Sanders. How do you deal with the so-called conservative revolution?
Sanders says that his issues would draw a larger coalition. “Every one of those issues is supported by a significant majority of the American people” but Congress is not listening because instead it serves the “moneyed interests.”
“What the political revolution is about is bringing people together to finally say enough is enough.”
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