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| Democratic debate: Clinton says fight against Isis 'cannot be an American fight' – live | |
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| 2.27am GMT02:27 | |
| Clinton: 'we are not at war with Islam or Muslims' | |
| Sanders says that if the candidates are talking about war, they should “talk about the long-term consequences of war,” including veterans returning wounded or with PTSD. | |
| Then Clinton is asked about Rubio’s characterization of the conflict as a clash of civilizations. | |
| “I don’t think we’re at war with Islam, I don’t think we’re at war with all Muslims,” Clinton says. “You can talk about Islamists who are clearly also jihadists. I don’t think it’s particularly helpful... to say that we are somehow against Islam.” | |
| She praises president George W Bush for declaring after the September 11 attacks that the US was not at war with Islam. | |
| “We are not at war with Islam or Muslims,” Clinton says. “We are at war with violent extremism.” | |
| 2.23am GMT02:23 | |
| Clinton is asked whether she repeated the mistake of her Iraq vote – she has called it that – by backing regime change in Libya. | |
| She says that there was a plan in place for Libya but that the course of events on the ground and limits of the coalition plan, and a changing security situation, produced a different result. | |
| O’Malley calls for more development in the Middle East and Afghanistan. | |
| Clinton says that might work so well. “Just because we are involved does not mean we will be able to dictate the outcome.” | |
| 2.20am GMT02:20 | |
| Sanders finds a perhaps surprisingly aggressive lane in this debate. He has Clinton explaining her Iraq vote instead of her sliding into a commander-in-chief role to describe what the United States must do. | |
| Sanders says that Arab and regional allies must do more to fight extremism in the region. | |
| Clinton then makes a strong point, saying Sanders is selling Jordan short. She makes a strong call on Turkey to decide where it stands in the fight against jihadist terror elements. | |
| 2.15am GMT02:15 | |
| Sanders: 'the invasion of Iraq led to the massive instability that we are seeing right now' | |
| Sanders is up. Does he still think climate change is the greatest threat to national security? | |
| “Absolutely,” Sanders says. “Climate change is directly related to the growth of terrorism.” | |
| Then he hits Clinton, objecting to Clinton’s statement that the USA is not essentially responsible. He says the invasion of Iraq destroyed the fabric of regional security. | |
| “I don’t think any sensible person would disagree that the invasion of Iraq led to the massive instability that we are seeing right now,” Sanders says. | |
| Updated at 2.21am GMT | |
| 2.13am GMT02:13 | |
| O’Malley steps up. He says he disagrees with Clinton. “This actually is America’s fight.” He calls Isis “evil,” and says “our role in the world is to confront evil when it arises.” | |
| “We must rise to this occasion,” he says. He calls for much better human intelligence. | |
| O’Malley manages to be more bellicose than Clinton. | |
| 2.11am GMT02:11 | |
| Clinton: 'I don’t think that the United States has the bulk of the responsibility' | |
| Dickerson presses Clinton | |
| Clinton said that the Iraqi army “was prepared to defend Iraq” when the Obama administration left, but premier Nouri al-Maliki decimated the army. Then the Syrian conflict erupted. | |
| “I don’t think that the United States has the bulk of the responsibility. I really put that on Assad, and on Maliki, and on the region itself.’ | |
| Updated at 2.16am GMT | |
| 2.10am GMT02:10 | |
| Clinton: 'This cannot be an American fight' | |
| First question is for Clinton. Did Obama underestimate Isis? | |
| Clinton: Isis is the leading threat of an international network. “It cannot be contained it must be defeated.” | |
| If we summon all of our resources, not just military force, “which must be used as a last resort,” that we can bring people together. | |
| But it cannot be an American fight... we will support those who will take the fight to Isis. | |
| 2.08am GMT02:08 | |
| Opening statements. | |
| Sanders: We’re shocked and disgusted by what we saw in Paris. This country will rid our planet of Isis. I travel the country talking to people and they say the economy is rigged. Campaign finance is corrupt. Join the political revolution. | |
| Clinton: Our prayers are with the people of France. But that is not enough. We need to have a resolve that will bring the world together to root out the kind of radical jihadist ideology that motivates organizations like Isis. I will be laying out in detail what I think we need to do. To do a better job of coordinating efforts against the scourge of terrorism. | |
| O’Malley: My heart goes out to the people of France in this moment of loss. Parents and sons and daughters. We must remember this. This is a new face of conflict and warfare. We must anticipate these threats. It requires new thinking and fresh leadership. As a mayor and governor I thought of the threat of a surprise attack every day. | |
| 2.03am GMT02:03 | |
| Dickerson has a diplomatically bipartisan tie – red and blue stripes. | |
| #demdebate. @CBS Moderator and host of Face the Nation John Dickerson. pic.twitter.com/1wXkpOqjOI | |
| And immediately: commercial break. | |
| Updated at 2.04am GMT | |
| 2.01am GMT02:01 | |
| CBS opens its broadcast with John Dickerson, the host, asking for a moment of silence. | |
| “The debate you’ve tuned in to see tonight is a symbol of the freedom we all cherish,” he says. | |
| The three candidates are already on stage. They stand with heads bowed. Then they are introduced and applauded. | |
| 1.52am GMT01:52 | 1.52am GMT01:52 |
| The debate is about to begin. We expect at least 20 minutes at the top about national security, counter-terrorism and the Paris attacks. | The debate is about to begin. We expect at least 20 minutes at the top about national security, counter-terrorism and the Paris attacks. |
| The remainder of the debate is expected to run to topics including wealth inequality, health care and other core Democratic issues. | The remainder of the debate is expected to run to topics including wealth inequality, health care and other core Democratic issues. |
| The Bernie Sanders campaign reportedly argued against a reorganization of the debate to begin with a relatively lengthy discussion of national security issues – but lost the argument. | The Bernie Sanders campaign reportedly argued against a reorganization of the debate to begin with a relatively lengthy discussion of national security issues – but lost the argument. |
| It's kind of funny that after being penned into a debate at 9 o'clock on a Saturday, Sanders is the one who ends up looking bad | It's kind of funny that after being penned into a debate at 9 o'clock on a Saturday, Sanders is the one who ends up looking bad |
| Even Bernie Sanders' top strategist says Clinton has a "huge advantage" on national security. https://t.co/RiXQtnZde6 | Even Bernie Sanders' top strategist says Clinton has a "huge advantage" on national security. https://t.co/RiXQtnZde6 |
| Updated at 1.54am GMT | Updated at 1.54am GMT |
| 1.39am GMT01:39 | 1.39am GMT01:39 |
| Google Trends is tracking real-time search interest in each candidate: | Google Trends is tracking real-time search interest in each candidate: |
| 1.30am GMT01:30 | 1.30am GMT01:30 |
| The O’Malley campaign tweets a backstage shot: | The O’Malley campaign tweets a backstage shot: |
| .@MartinOMalley prepping backstage for #DemDebate pic.twitter.com/q4WBTJ3Ng8 | .@MartinOMalley prepping backstage for #DemDebate pic.twitter.com/q4WBTJ3Ng8 |
| 1.24am GMT01:24 | 1.24am GMT01:24 |
| The crowd gathers in Des Moines. Via the Des Moines Register: | The crowd gathers in Des Moines. Via the Des Moines Register: |
| Dem heavyweights in #Demdebate crowd include US Sens Claire McCaskill and Amy Klobuchar, philosopher Cornel West, strategist Donna Brazille. | Dem heavyweights in #Demdebate crowd include US Sens Claire McCaskill and Amy Klobuchar, philosopher Cornel West, strategist Donna Brazille. |
| Democrats will discuss the economy, national security, higher education and more. Tune in. #DemDebate. @CBSNews. pic.twitter.com/zeSpL6VkYa | Democrats will discuss the economy, national security, higher education and more. Tune in. #DemDebate. @CBSNews. pic.twitter.com/zeSpL6VkYa |
| 1.06am GMT01:06 | 1.06am GMT01:06 |
| Olivier Knox of Yahoo News poses 5 questions about Paris for Clinton, Sanders and O’Malley. Question 1: | Olivier Knox of Yahoo News poses 5 questions about Paris for Clinton, Sanders and O’Malley. Question 1: |
| 1. How would your approach to the Islamic State differ from President Obama’s? | 1. How would your approach to the Islamic State differ from President Obama’s? |
| This is a question about policy, but it has significant political ramifications. | This is a question about policy, but it has significant political ramifications. |
| Hillary Clinton has already found some daylight between herself and the White House on foreign policy on Syria. She has called for no-fly zones and humanitarian corridors, options that Obama has rejected for years. | Hillary Clinton has already found some daylight between herself and the White House on foreign policy on Syria. She has called for no-fly zones and humanitarian corridors, options that Obama has rejected for years. |
| Clinton may be mindful that securing a third term for the party in the White House is historically unlikely: In recent decades, only George H. W. Bush has succeeded. Clinton has forcefully rejected the idea that she would bring about Obama’s third term — or Bill Clinton’s. But showing is more powerful than telling. | Clinton may be mindful that securing a third term for the party in the White House is historically unlikely: In recent decades, only George H. W. Bush has succeeded. Clinton has forcefully rejected the idea that she would bring about Obama’s third term — or Bill Clinton’s. But showing is more powerful than telling. |
| To date, her rhetoric on Obama’s domestic agenda has often sounded like “the same, but more of it.” [...] | To date, her rhetoric on Obama’s domestic agenda has often sounded like “the same, but more of it.” [...] |
| Question 2 is, Will you promise to be more like President George W. Bush? Read the full piece here. | Question 2 is, Will you promise to be more like President George W. Bush? Read the full piece here. |
| 1.02am GMT01:02 | 1.02am GMT01:02 |
| Why are the Democrats holding this debate on a Saturday night, when fewer people are likely to watch? | Why are the Democrats holding this debate on a Saturday night, when fewer people are likely to watch? |
| The Democratic forum last week fell on a Friday night. | The Democratic forum last week fell on a Friday night. |
| The next Democratic debate is the Saturday before Christmas, and after that there’s one on the Sunday of the Martin Luther King Jr. holiday weekend, Politico’s Hadas Gold points out: | The next Democratic debate is the Saturday before Christmas, and after that there’s one on the Sunday of the Martin Luther King Jr. holiday weekend, Politico’s Hadas Gold points out: |
| In an interview, Democratic National Committee Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz said the weekend dates are because four of the DNC’s six debates are on broadcast networks, which are hesitant to move blockbuster prime-time shows like “NCIS” or “Scandal” — with guaranteed high ad dollars — in favor of a debate. | In an interview, Democratic National Committee Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz said the weekend dates are because four of the DNC’s six debates are on broadcast networks, which are hesitant to move blockbuster prime-time shows like “NCIS” or “Scandal” — with guaranteed high ad dollars — in favor of a debate. |
| [...] | [...] |
| Critics have charged that the limited schedule protects Clinton, who has been bogged down by drama surrounding the homebrew email server she used in lieu of an official government email account during her time as secretary of state, by limiting exposure to her rivals. | Critics have charged that the limited schedule protects Clinton, who has been bogged down by drama surrounding the homebrew email server she used in lieu of an official government email account during her time as secretary of state, by limiting exposure to her rivals. |
| Read the full piece here. | Read the full piece here. |
| Update: and tonight they’re competing with a broadcast of a popular state college football game: | Update: and tonight they’re competing with a broadcast of a popular state college football game: |
| Explanation of that CBS update on Iowa game: No 5 Hawkeyes playing Minnesota right now. DNC couldn't have assured smaller aud if it tried | Explanation of that CBS update on Iowa game: No 5 Hawkeyes playing Minnesota right now. DNC couldn't have assured smaller aud if it tried |
| Updated at 1.48am GMT | Updated at 1.48am GMT |
| 12.56am GMT00:56 | 12.56am GMT00:56 |
| Some Bernie Sanders fan art at the debate, via Dan Roberts: | Some Bernie Sanders fan art at the debate, via Dan Roberts: |
| 12.52am GMT00:52 | 12.52am GMT00:52 |
| The WiFi password for media at the last Republican debate was StopHillary. Tonight it’s 13MillionNewJobs: | The WiFi password for media at the last Republican debate was StopHillary. Tonight it’s 13MillionNewJobs: |
| [kisses fingertips] pic.twitter.com/n44Knarwtr | [kisses fingertips] pic.twitter.com/n44Knarwtr |
| 12.49am GMT00:49 | 12.49am GMT00:49 |
| Iowa Democrats question preparedness for caucuses | Iowa Democrats question preparedness for caucuses |
| Ben Jacobs | Ben Jacobs |
| Iowa Democrats are increasingly worried the state party may not be prepared for the caucuses on 1 February, putting Iowa’s first-in-the-nation status at risk, reports Ben Jacobs (@bencjacobs): | Iowa Democrats are increasingly worried the state party may not be prepared for the caucuses on 1 February, putting Iowa’s first-in-the-nation status at risk, reports Ben Jacobs (@bencjacobs): |
| With a little more than 80 days left, a number of top Democrats in the state expressed their concerns to the Guardian that the party has not done the work necessary to ensure that the caucuses, run solely by the Iowa Democratic party, will go smoothly. | With a little more than 80 days left, a number of top Democrats in the state expressed their concerns to the Guardian that the party has not done the work necessary to ensure that the caucuses, run solely by the Iowa Democratic party, will go smoothly. |
| Iowa Democrats described growing anxiety over a state party they said was drifting and unprepared to organize in 1,681 precincts to ensure the result of the contest to pick Iowa’s choice for the Democratic presidential nomination is promptly reported. | Iowa Democrats described growing anxiety over a state party they said was drifting and unprepared to organize in 1,681 precincts to ensure the result of the contest to pick Iowa’s choice for the Democratic presidential nomination is promptly reported. |
| Read the full piece here. NBC News contributes a snapshot of the campaigns’ ground games in Iowa – with the Democrats appearing to be lapping the Republicans: | Read the full piece here. NBC News contributes a snapshot of the campaigns’ ground games in Iowa – with the Democrats appearing to be lapping the Republicans: |
| Hillary: 78 paid Iowa organizers Sanders: 71 O'Malley: 34 Trump: 12 Bush: 11 Cruz: 9 Rubio: 4 https://t.co/ZUUt2lsEu0 | Hillary: 78 paid Iowa organizers Sanders: 71 O'Malley: 34 Trump: 12 Bush: 11 Cruz: 9 Rubio: 4 https://t.co/ZUUt2lsEu0 |
| 12.42am GMT00:42 | 12.42am GMT00:42 |
| Jessica Lee | Jessica Lee |
| In advance of tonight’s debate, each of the Democratic candidates released statements on the Paris attacks. Here are excerpts: | In advance of tonight’s debate, each of the Democratic candidates released statements on the Paris attacks. Here are excerpts: |
| Updated at 12.44am GMT | Updated at 12.44am GMT |
| 12.38am GMT00:38 | 12.38am GMT00:38 |
| Dan Roberts | Dan Roberts |
| The Bernie Sanders campaign team have described any suggestion that he does not want to talk about foreign policy as “nonsense”, after reports emerged of a backroom row over changes to tonight’s debate format, reports Guardian Washington bureau chief Dan Roberts (@robertsdan) in Des Moines: | The Bernie Sanders campaign team have described any suggestion that he does not want to talk about foreign policy as “nonsense”, after reports emerged of a backroom row over changes to tonight’s debate format, reports Guardian Washington bureau chief Dan Roberts (@robertsdan) in Des Moines: |
| Yahoo News reported an allegedly heated discussion between campaign aides and CBS executives over their decision to increase the foreign policy component of the Democratic debate in the wake of the Paris attacks. | Yahoo News reported an allegedly heated discussion between campaign aides and CBS executives over their decision to increase the foreign policy component of the Democratic debate in the wake of the Paris attacks. |
| Team Sanders don’t deny that conversations took place over various format tweaks but insist they were “very minor technical discussions” and they are “fine” with the changes now they know what they are. | Team Sanders don’t deny that conversations took place over various format tweaks but insist they were “very minor technical discussions” and they are “fine” with the changes now they know what they are. |
| “After all the horrible events in Paris, CBS is wholly understandably going to make that a focus of the debate and Bernie is focused on that,” campaign spokesman Michael Briggs told The Guardian. | “After all the horrible events in Paris, CBS is wholly understandably going to make that a focus of the debate and Bernie is focused on that,” campaign spokesman Michael Briggs told The Guardian. |
| A separate campaign source who spoke with the Guardian described the shift in focus as “jarring” and insisted that Sanders’ campaign did not get its way. | A separate campaign source who spoke with the Guardian described the shift in focus as “jarring” and insisted that Sanders’ campaign did not get its way. |
| Updated at 12.54am GMT | Updated at 12.54am GMT |
| 12.36am GMT00:36 | 12.36am GMT00:36 |
| We’ll hear tonight what the Democratic candidates have to say about the attacks and what should be done. | We’ll hear tonight what the Democratic candidates have to say about the attacks and what should be done. |
| Republican candidates have issued statements on the attacks today, ranging from a condemnation of president Barack Obama’s decision to take more refugees from Syria to the diagnosis, by Florida senator Marco Rubio, of “a civilizational conflict with radical Islam”. | Republican candidates have issued statements on the attacks today, ranging from a condemnation of president Barack Obama’s decision to take more refugees from Syria to the diagnosis, by Florida senator Marco Rubio, of “a civilizational conflict with radical Islam”. |
| From our news coverage: | From our news coverage: |
| Ted Cruz led Republican criticism of White House policy on Syria on Saturday, in light of the devastating terror attacks in Paris, deriding President Obama’s pledge to take more refugees and calling for intensified action against Islamic State. Marco Rubio took a different tack, however, in declaring “a civilizational conflict with radical Islam”. | Ted Cruz led Republican criticism of White House policy on Syria on Saturday, in light of the devastating terror attacks in Paris, deriding President Obama’s pledge to take more refugees and calling for intensified action against Islamic State. Marco Rubio took a different tack, however, in declaring “a civilizational conflict with radical Islam”. |
| “This is not a grievance-based conflict. This is a clash of civilizations,” Rubio said in a video released by his presidential campaign. “This is a clash of civilizations. And either they win, or we win.” | “This is not a grievance-based conflict. This is a clash of civilizations,” Rubio said in a video released by his presidential campaign. “This is a clash of civilizations. And either they win, or we win.” |
| Cruz and presidential candidates including Donald Trump, Bobby Jindal and Mike Huckabee seized on the news to demand drastic action on immigration, a hot-button issue on the campaign trail. Rubio, however, has made foreign policy a central focus of his run for the White House. In that light, he said the attacks in Paris were “a wake-up call”. | Cruz and presidential candidates including Donald Trump, Bobby Jindal and Mike Huckabee seized on the news to demand drastic action on immigration, a hot-button issue on the campaign trail. Rubio, however, has made foreign policy a central focus of his run for the White House. In that light, he said the attacks in Paris were “a wake-up call”. |
| “They literally want to overthrow our society and replace it with their radical, Sunni Islamic view of the future,” the Florida senator said. “They do not hate us because we have military assets in the Middle East. | “They literally want to overthrow our society and replace it with their radical, Sunni Islamic view of the future,” the Florida senator said. “They do not hate us because we have military assets in the Middle East. |
| 12.31am GMT00:31 | 12.31am GMT00:31 |
| USA Today reports that tonight’s debate will begin with at least 20 minutes on terrorism and the Paris attacks. | USA Today reports that tonight’s debate will begin with at least 20 minutes on terrorism and the Paris attacks. |
| Campaign source tells me @CBSNews has pledged at least first 20 mins of #DemDebate in Des Moines will be on terrorism #ParisAttacks | Campaign source tells me @CBSNews has pledged at least first 20 mins of #DemDebate in Des Moines will be on terrorism #ParisAttacks |
| 12.30am GMT00:30 | 12.30am GMT00:30 |
| Our ongoing live blog coverage of the Paris attacks and their aftermath is here. | Our ongoing live blog coverage of the Paris attacks and their aftermath is here. |
| 12.16am GMT00:16 | 12.16am GMT00:16 |
| Tom McCarthy | Tom McCarthy |
| The Guardian team for tonight’s debate includes Dan Roberts and Sabrina Siddiqui, attending in Des Moines, and contributions from Ben Jacobs and opinion editor Megan Carpentier. | The Guardian team for tonight’s debate includes Dan Roberts and Sabrina Siddiqui, attending in Des Moines, and contributions from Ben Jacobs and opinion editor Megan Carpentier. |
| Here’s a line from Dan and Ben’s debate preview, about whether Bernie Sanders’ campaign is running out of steam… | Here’s a line from Dan and Ben’s debate preview, about whether Bernie Sanders’ campaign is running out of steam… |
| Two thirds of the way into one of the most unlikely political insurgencies of modern times, the once electrifying campaign to elect Bernie Sanders as Democratic nominee for president is looking for a new jolt of energy from Saturday’s second television debate. | Two thirds of the way into one of the most unlikely political insurgencies of modern times, the once electrifying campaign to elect Bernie Sanders as Democratic nominee for president is looking for a new jolt of energy from Saturday’s second television debate. |
| But with poll numbers flatlining in the face of Hillary Clinton’s invigorated electoral machine, those close to team Bernie privately concede the momentum they really need to recapture can only come now from victories in early-voting states – particularly Iowa and New Hampshire… | But with poll numbers flatlining in the face of Hillary Clinton’s invigorated electoral machine, those close to team Bernie privately concede the momentum they really need to recapture can only come now from victories in early-voting states – particularly Iowa and New Hampshire… |
| 11.54pm GMT23:54 | 11.54pm GMT23:54 |
| Tom McCarthy | Tom McCarthy |
| Hello and welcome to our live coverage of the second Democratic presidential debate, convening tonight in Des Moines, Iowa – the first state to vote. | Hello and welcome to our live coverage of the second Democratic presidential debate, convening tonight in Des Moines, Iowa – the first state to vote. |
| CBS News, which is hosting the debate with the Des Moines Register, has announced that moderators will focus on terrorism and national security issues, a day after co-ordinated attacks in Paris killed at least 129 people. The Islamic State group claimed responsibility. | CBS News, which is hosting the debate with the Des Moines Register, has announced that moderators will focus on terrorism and national security issues, a day after co-ordinated attacks in Paris killed at least 129 people. The Islamic State group claimed responsibility. |
| At a candidates’ forum a week ago, Hillary Clinton, the Democratic frontrunner, said she would not be more aggressive on foreign policy than President Barack Obama. She may be tested on that statement tonight. | At a candidates’ forum a week ago, Hillary Clinton, the Democratic frontrunner, said she would not be more aggressive on foreign policy than President Barack Obama. She may be tested on that statement tonight. |
| Clinton, a former secretary of state, senator and first lady, released a statement on Saturday calling on the US to “wage and win the struggle against terrorism and violent extremism” alongside global allies. | Clinton, a former secretary of state, senator and first lady, released a statement on Saturday calling on the US to “wage and win the struggle against terrorism and violent extremism” alongside global allies. |
| The two other Democratic candidates, Vermont senator Bernie Sanders and former Maryland governor Martin O’Malley, released statements of support for victims of the attacks and their loved ones. | The two other Democratic candidates, Vermont senator Bernie Sanders and former Maryland governor Martin O’Malley, released statements of support for victims of the attacks and their loved ones. |
| Tonight’s event is also expected to feature debate on domestic issues such as wealth inequality, wages, equal pay and healthcare, which until now have been the focus of the Democratic race. | Tonight’s event is also expected to feature debate on domestic issues such as wealth inequality, wages, equal pay and healthcare, which until now have been the focus of the Democratic race. |
| Hosting the event at Drake University will be CBS News presenters John Dickerson, Nancy Cordes, Kathie Obradovich and Kevin Cooney. | Hosting the event at Drake University will be CBS News presenters John Dickerson, Nancy Cordes, Kathie Obradovich and Kevin Cooney. |
| The debate is scheduled to start at 9pm ET. It will stream online at cbsnews.com. | The debate is scheduled to start at 9pm ET. It will stream online at cbsnews.com. |
| Updated at 12.08am GMT | Updated at 12.08am GMT |