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| Democratic debate: after Sanders' apology, candidates spar on Isis, taxes and guns – as it happened | Democratic debate: after Sanders' apology, candidates spar on Isis, taxes and guns – as it happened |
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| 4.24am GMT | 4.24am GMT |
| 04:24 | 04:24 |
| What we learned | What we learned |
| The third Democratic debate is in the bag. Here’s what we learned. | The third Democratic debate is in the bag. Here’s what we learned. |
| Updated | Updated |
| at 4.25am GMT | at 4.25am GMT |
| 4.18am GMT | 4.18am GMT |
| 04:18 | 04:18 |
| Ben Jacobs | Ben Jacobs |
| Political reporter Ben Jacobs was watching The Third Man… | Political reporter Ben Jacobs was watching The Third Man… |
| Martin O’Malley had another solid performance here, though it didn’t provide the breakout the former Maryland governor’s campaign has long been craving. | Martin O’Malley had another solid performance here, though it didn’t provide the breakout the former Maryland governor’s campaign has long been craving. |
| O’Malley tried to force his way into the conversation early, talking over moderator David Muir in an attempt to edge into the debate between Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton over voter data. The former Maryland governor, who has been languishing in the polls, continued to try to snipe at both Sanders and Clinton from the left. He managed to draw a surprising punch down from Clinton, who slammed him over his fundraising from corporate donors during his tenure leading the Democratic Governors’ Association. | O’Malley tried to force his way into the conversation early, talking over moderator David Muir in an attempt to edge into the debate between Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton over voter data. The former Maryland governor, who has been languishing in the polls, continued to try to snipe at both Sanders and Clinton from the left. He managed to draw a surprising punch down from Clinton, who slammed him over his fundraising from corporate donors during his tenure leading the Democratic Governors’ Association. |
| O’Malley did enough to seem relevant, despite a heavy reliance on anecdotes that occasionally induced groans. But with his campaign struggling to crack 5% in polls in early states and running low on money, relevance isn’t enough. | O’Malley did enough to seem relevant, despite a heavy reliance on anecdotes that occasionally induced groans. But with his campaign struggling to crack 5% in polls in early states and running low on money, relevance isn’t enough. |
| 4.07am GMT | 4.07am GMT |
| 04:07 | 04:07 |
| Commentary from the Republican camp of presidential hopefuls. | Commentary from the Republican camp of presidential hopefuls. |
| Ted Cruz: “Obamacare’s problems aren’t a “glitch”. Obamacare’s problem is it is a failure. We need a #FullRepeal.” | Ted Cruz: “Obamacare’s problems aren’t a “glitch”. Obamacare’s problem is it is a failure. We need a #FullRepeal.” |
| Rand Paul: a Princess Bride meme. | Rand Paul: a Princess Bride meme. |
| Jeb Bush: “Nothing like listening to 3 democrats argue about who is going to raise taxes the most.” | Jeb Bush: “Nothing like listening to 3 democrats argue about who is going to raise taxes the most.” |
| No @HillaryClinton - We are not "where we need to be" in fight against ISIS. #DemDebate https://t.co/PFPpF5lADy | No @HillaryClinton - We are not "where we need to be" in fight against ISIS. #DemDebate https://t.co/PFPpF5lADy |
| And Donald Trump with media commentary. | And Donald Trump with media commentary. |
| .@GStephanopoulos stupidly believes that Hillary wants to run against me because she said so. She says that so people believe it - opposite! | .@GStephanopoulos stupidly believes that Hillary wants to run against me because she said so. She says that so people believe it - opposite! |
| 4.03am GMT | 4.03am GMT |
| 04:03 | 04:03 |
| Richard Wolffe | Richard Wolffe |
| From Guardian US columnist Richard Wolffe: | From Guardian US columnist Richard Wolffe: |
| Clinton’s closing statement underscored the two biggest drivers behind her turnout operation: fear of a GOP president after the extreme positions of the Republican candidates, and her position as a woman (or as she prefers to call herself, a grandmother). | Clinton’s closing statement underscored the two biggest drivers behind her turnout operation: fear of a GOP president after the extreme positions of the Republican candidates, and her position as a woman (or as she prefers to call herself, a grandmother). |
| And just in case young men were feeling left out, she delivered a Star Wars punch line. | And just in case young men were feeling left out, she delivered a Star Wars punch line. |
| May the force be with everyone who watched this whole long debate. | May the force be with everyone who watched this whole long debate. |
| 3.53am GMT | 3.53am GMT |
| 03:53 | 03:53 |
| Jeb Lund | Jeb Lund |
| From Guardian US columnist Jeb Lund: | From Guardian US columnist Jeb Lund: |
| “May the force be with you.” You know, the Sith used the force, too. | “May the force be with you.” You know, the Sith used the force, too. |
| 3.50am GMT | 3.50am GMT |
| 03:50 | 03:50 |
| Closing statements: | Closing statements: |
| Bernie Sanders: Thank you first of all to the two other people on stage: we have a lot more to offer to the American people than the rightwing extremists on the other side. My father was a penniless immigrant to Brooklyn New York. My mother wanted us to get out of that rent-controlled apartment, but didn’t live to see it. My brother and I were the first to go to college. So I am dedicated to bringing about a political revolution, where people say enough is enough, the country belongs to all of us, not just a bunch of billionaires. | Bernie Sanders: Thank you first of all to the two other people on stage: we have a lot more to offer to the American people than the rightwing extremists on the other side. My father was a penniless immigrant to Brooklyn New York. My mother wanted us to get out of that rent-controlled apartment, but didn’t live to see it. My brother and I were the first to go to college. So I am dedicated to bringing about a political revolution, where people say enough is enough, the country belongs to all of us, not just a bunch of billionaires. |
| Martin O’Malley: Thank you, New Hampshire. It’s most important to me to ensure the security of my children. The Republicans have a lot of anger and fear, and they can keep them. Anger and fear didn’t build America. We build America with an immigration plan that welcomes people, by investing into infrastructure and education, and by defending our values and freedoms from terrorists and fearmongers alike. And we do it by confronting climate change, the biggest challenge of our times. | Martin O’Malley: Thank you, New Hampshire. It’s most important to me to ensure the security of my children. The Republicans have a lot of anger and fear, and they can keep them. Anger and fear didn’t build America. We build America with an immigration plan that welcomes people, by investing into infrastructure and education, and by defending our values and freedoms from terrorists and fearmongers alike. And we do it by confronting climate change, the biggest challenge of our times. |
| Hillary Clinton: In a little more than a year we’ll have a president. If heaven, forbid the next president is a Republican, we know what’s going to happen. Women’s rights, gay rights, voter rights – all will be at risk .Social security could be privatized, veterans healthcare could be privatized, Planned Parenthood could be defunded. This is a watershed election. I know how important it is that we have a Democrat succeed president Obama in the White House. I want to make sure every child has a chance to live up to their potential. If you join me we can make that happen. Thank you, good night, and may the Force be with you. | Hillary Clinton: In a little more than a year we’ll have a president. If heaven, forbid the next president is a Republican, we know what’s going to happen. Women’s rights, gay rights, voter rights – all will be at risk .Social security could be privatized, veterans healthcare could be privatized, Planned Parenthood could be defunded. This is a watershed election. I know how important it is that we have a Democrat succeed president Obama in the White House. I want to make sure every child has a chance to live up to their potential. If you join me we can make that happen. Thank you, good night, and may the Force be with you. |
| She really said “may the Force be with you.” | She really said “may the Force be with you.” |
| 3.38am GMT | 3.38am GMT |
| 03:38 | 03:38 |
| Suddenly moderator Raddatz, who’s been a tough questioner all night, asks Clinton about flower arrangements and the role of a first lady, a title the former secretary of state gave up 15 years ago. | Suddenly moderator Raddatz, who’s been a tough questioner all night, asks Clinton about flower arrangements and the role of a first lady, a title the former secretary of state gave up 15 years ago. |
| Clinton answers politely, praising Michelle Obama and saying that as president she’d probably still pick the flowers and the china, rather than let Bill muck it up. | Clinton answers politely, praising Michelle Obama and saying that as president she’d probably still pick the flowers and the china, rather than let Bill muck it up. |
| Sanders jokes that his wife would have a bigger desk than him as president, because she’s smarter than him. He gets serious to praise Clinton, who he says “not only did an outstanding job as our first lady but redefined what that role could be”. | Sanders jokes that his wife would have a bigger desk than him as president, because she’s smarter than him. He gets serious to praise Clinton, who he says “not only did an outstanding job as our first lady but redefined what that role could be”. |
| O’Malley says he’d let his wife do whatever she wanted to do “regardless of her husband’s success in getting elected president”. | O’Malley says he’d let his wife do whatever she wanted to do “regardless of her husband’s success in getting elected president”. |
| Updated | Updated |
| at 3.44am GMT | at 3.44am GMT |
| 3.38am GMT | 3.38am GMT |
| 03:38 | 03:38 |
| Megan Carpentier | Megan Carpentier |
| From Guardian US opinion editor Megan Carpentier: | From Guardian US opinion editor Megan Carpentier: |
| I really cannot believe that one of the questions Martha Raddatz asked was whether Bill Clinton becoming First Dude meant it was necessary to reconsider the role of First Lady. I mean, we couldn’t have reconsidered it any other time since, I don’t know, Jackie O? Ladybird Johnson? | I really cannot believe that one of the questions Martha Raddatz asked was whether Bill Clinton becoming First Dude meant it was necessary to reconsider the role of First Lady. I mean, we couldn’t have reconsidered it any other time since, I don’t know, Jackie O? Ladybird Johnson? |
| But then when Clinton said she’d still be picking the flower arrangements and the china patterns if Bill was First Dude, I mostly wanted to crawl up under my desk with a bottle of wine and not come out again. IT IS OK THAT YOU DIDN’T WANT TO STAY HOME AND MAKE CHOCOLATE CHIP COOKIES. YOU NOT ONLY CANNOT HAVE IT ALL, YOU DON’T HAVE TO WANT TO. | But then when Clinton said she’d still be picking the flower arrangements and the china patterns if Bill was First Dude, I mostly wanted to crawl up under my desk with a bottle of wine and not come out again. IT IS OK THAT YOU DIDN’T WANT TO STAY HOME AND MAKE CHOCOLATE CHIP COOKIES. YOU NOT ONLY CANNOT HAVE IT ALL, YOU DON’T HAVE TO WANT TO. |
| 3.34am GMT | 3.34am GMT |
| 03:34 | 03:34 |
| Clinton: US has two roles in Middle East | Clinton: US has two roles in Middle East |
| Sanders uses the opportunity to repeat his argument that Clinton is for regime changes, unlike himself. | Sanders uses the opportunity to repeat his argument that Clinton is for regime changes, unlike himself. |
| Clinton again points out that he supported the ouster of Muammar Gaddafi. “I’m not standing here today and saying that Libya is as [stable] as Tunisia,” she says. “I warned about what would happen in Egypt” with quick regime change. | Clinton again points out that he supported the ouster of Muammar Gaddafi. “I’m not standing here today and saying that Libya is as [stable] as Tunisia,” she says. “I warned about what would happen in Egypt” with quick regime change. |
| She says the US has pursued two separate tacts: “one [to] work with the tough men, the dictators for our own benefit, and promote democracy, that’s a rough road for us to walk but I think it’s the right road for us to travel.” | She says the US has pursued two separate tacts: “one [to] work with the tough men, the dictators for our own benefit, and promote democracy, that’s a rough road for us to walk but I think it’s the right road for us to travel.” |
| O’Malley says “we probably let our lust for regime changes get the better” of prioritizing stability in the region. | O’Malley says “we probably let our lust for regime changes get the better” of prioritizing stability in the region. |
| 3.31am GMT | 3.31am GMT |
| 03:31 | 03:31 |
| Back to foreign policy: intervention in Libya, then chaos. | Back to foreign policy: intervention in Libya, then chaos. |
| Moderator Raddatz: how much of Libya’s civil war is your fault, secretary Clinton? | Moderator Raddatz: how much of Libya’s civil war is your fault, secretary Clinton? |
| Clinton says well, it was a coalition, and we feared what Muammar Gaddafi was going to do to civilians. And she says that Libyans did manage to do a little democracy before it all fell apart. | Clinton says well, it was a coalition, and we feared what Muammar Gaddafi was going to do to civilians. And she says that Libyans did manage to do a little democracy before it all fell apart. |
| The whole region has been rendered unstable, in part because of the aftermath of the Arab Spring, in part because of the very effective propagandizing and outreach of Isis … but what we’re seeing in Libya right now is there has been a fragile agreement to put aside the agreements that exist among Libyans themselves to try to dislodge Isis from Sirte.” | The whole region has been rendered unstable, in part because of the aftermath of the Arab Spring, in part because of the very effective propagandizing and outreach of Isis … but what we’re seeing in Libya right now is there has been a fragile agreement to put aside the agreements that exist among Libyans themselves to try to dislodge Isis from Sirte.” |
| Raddatz repeats: how much of this is your fault? | Raddatz repeats: how much of this is your fault? |
| Clinton says the US tried to help but Libyans didn’t want it. | Clinton says the US tried to help but Libyans didn’t want it. |
| We offered a lot more than they were willing to take. We also got rid of their chemical weapons and missiles. … If we’re not going to send American troops … to try to send trainers, experts, is something we offered, is something Europeans offered. | We offered a lot more than they were willing to take. We also got rid of their chemical weapons and missiles. … If we’re not going to send American troops … to try to send trainers, experts, is something we offered, is something Europeans offered. |
| Raddatz: Were mistakes made? | Raddatz: Were mistakes made? |
| “There’s always a retrospective to say what mistakes were made,” Clinton concedes. | “There’s always a retrospective to say what mistakes were made,” Clinton concedes. |
| 3.31am GMT | 3.31am GMT |
| 03:31 | 03:31 |
| Jeb Lund | Jeb Lund |
| From Guardian US contributor Jeb Lund: | From Guardian US contributor Jeb Lund: |
| It’s welcome and great that we’re having a serious conversation about crippling (and sometimes fatal) addiction in America. Every one of these candidates has his or her heart in the right place about addressing the issue. Anything would be great. | It’s welcome and great that we’re having a serious conversation about crippling (and sometimes fatal) addiction in America. Every one of these candidates has his or her heart in the right place about addressing the issue. Anything would be great. |
| But it’s really, really hard to get past the subtext of addiction having become a respectable bipartisan issue, which it now is: now that it’s a problem killing suburban white teens and dads and moms, it’s a disease instead of its symptom. Before, addiction was just a manifestation of what happens when you’ve got a terminal case of being a bad person. | But it’s really, really hard to get past the subtext of addiction having become a respectable bipartisan issue, which it now is: now that it’s a problem killing suburban white teens and dads and moms, it’s a disease instead of its symptom. Before, addiction was just a manifestation of what happens when you’ve got a terminal case of being a bad person. |
| The sad thing is that we’re probably going to fund an intervention for this problem in the areas where this just recently became an acceptable national topic, instead of the communities we let drown in it for decades because the right sorts of victims didn’t live there. | The sad thing is that we’re probably going to fund an intervention for this problem in the areas where this just recently became an acceptable national topic, instead of the communities we let drown in it for decades because the right sorts of victims didn’t live there. |
| 3.27am GMT | 3.27am GMT |
| 03:27 | 03:27 |
| From Guardian US columnist Jeb Lund: | From Guardian US columnist Jeb Lund: |
| It’s embarrassing that Sanders is the only person who came close to a real answer on the racial elements of policing and the carceral state. Clinton’s answer was so vague that all trace of whatever it might have been has disappeared from my memory in a couple minutes. I remember racism being bad, but then it turned into a fog, like if Bram Stoker’s Dracula was rewritten to be about vampirism as a kind of permanent vagueness. | It’s embarrassing that Sanders is the only person who came close to a real answer on the racial elements of policing and the carceral state. Clinton’s answer was so vague that all trace of whatever it might have been has disappeared from my memory in a couple minutes. I remember racism being bad, but then it turned into a fog, like if Bram Stoker’s Dracula was rewritten to be about vampirism as a kind of permanent vagueness. |
| From Guardian US columnist Lucia Graves: | From Guardian US columnist Lucia Graves: |
| When Clinton was asked about the “Ferguson effect” – the notion that police are afraid to do their job because they’re worried about getting in legal trouble or sparking protests – she didn’t attack the false premise outright, focusing instead on “building on the work of the policing commission.” | When Clinton was asked about the “Ferguson effect” – the notion that police are afraid to do their job because they’re worried about getting in legal trouble or sparking protests – she didn’t attack the false premise outright, focusing instead on “building on the work of the policing commission.” |
| It was Bernie who drew the biggest applause lines by stating the obvious: that police officers shouldn’t be running around shooting unarmed black people. | It was Bernie who drew the biggest applause lines by stating the obvious: that police officers shouldn’t be running around shooting unarmed black people. |
| But all that is dancing around the issue: there’s no real data back evidence of a Ferguson effect. Candidates should say so. | But all that is dancing around the issue: there’s no real data back evidence of a Ferguson effect. Candidates should say so. |
| Updated | Updated |
| at 3.32am GMT | at 3.32am GMT |
| 3.26am GMT | 3.26am GMT |
| 03:26 | 03:26 |
| Next question: heroin addiction in America. | Next question: heroin addiction in America. |
| Sanders says this ties back to his plan to reform healthcare wholesale: “Addiction is a disease and not a criminal activity,” Sanders says, “and that means radically changing the way we deal with mental health and addiction.” | Sanders says this ties back to his plan to reform healthcare wholesale: “Addiction is a disease and not a criminal activity,” Sanders says, “and that means radically changing the way we deal with mental health and addiction.” |
| “They should be able to walk in tomorrow and get a variety of treatments that could work for them.” | “They should be able to walk in tomorrow and get a variety of treatments that could work for them.” |
| Clinton answers the question by talking about how she wants the federal government to give $5bn over several years. She wants fewer opioid prescriptions from medical providers and new law enforcement tactics – “every law enforcers should carry the antidote to overdose”. | Clinton answers the question by talking about how she wants the federal government to give $5bn over several years. She wants fewer opioid prescriptions from medical providers and new law enforcement tactics – “every law enforcers should carry the antidote to overdose”. |
| O’Malley again alludes to his experiences in Baltimore, saying he agrees that over-prescribing of opioids. He wants a $12bn federal investment in “local partnerships”, and interventions at hospitals when people come in suffering from opioid overdoses or symptoms. | O’Malley again alludes to his experiences in Baltimore, saying he agrees that over-prescribing of opioids. He wants a $12bn federal investment in “local partnerships”, and interventions at hospitals when people come in suffering from opioid overdoses or symptoms. |
| 3.21am GMT | 3.21am GMT |
| 03:21 | 03:21 |
| Sanders handles the question next, and says the priority should be not only to end institutional racism but “major, major reforms of a broken criminal justice system”. | Sanders handles the question next, and says the priority should be not only to end institutional racism but “major, major reforms of a broken criminal justice system”. |
| First and foremost he says police officers should not be shooting unarmed African Americans. “It means we need to rethink the so-called war on drugs,” he goes on, “which is why I’ve taken marijuana out of the controlled substance act, so that it will not be a federal crime.” | First and foremost he says police officers should not be shooting unarmed African Americans. “It means we need to rethink the so-called war on drugs,” he goes on, “which is why I’ve taken marijuana out of the controlled substance act, so that it will not be a federal crime.” |
| He says police departments need to move toward community policing – they need to “look like the communities they serve in terms of diversity”. We need to end minimum mandatory sentences and reduce incarceration, he concludes, before moderator Muir says he’s done. | He says police departments need to move toward community policing – they need to “look like the communities they serve in terms of diversity”. We need to end minimum mandatory sentences and reduce incarceration, he concludes, before moderator Muir says he’s done. |
| 3.20am GMT | 3.20am GMT |
| 03:20 | 03:20 |
| O’Malley says he’s worked on nothing more than policing, and that as mayor of Baltimore he managed to reduce violent crime greatly. | O’Malley says he’s worked on nothing more than policing, and that as mayor of Baltimore he managed to reduce violent crime greatly. |
| (O’Malley was mayor until 2007; in November Baltimore reached its highest homicide rate ever.) | (O’Malley was mayor until 2007; in November Baltimore reached its highest homicide rate ever.) |
| He says police departments should be required to report excessive force incidents, to rely on data for policing tactics, and require greater oversight. | He says police departments should be required to report excessive force incidents, to rely on data for policing tactics, and require greater oversight. |
| 3.17am GMT | 3.17am GMT |
| 03:17 | 03:17 |
| Next Q: race in America. | Next Q: race in America. |
| Moderator David Muir says that because of cellphone cameras “we’re just now seeing for the first time” racism in America that many have been seeing for years. Not sure where Muir’s been for his entire life. | Moderator David Muir says that because of cellphone cameras “we’re just now seeing for the first time” racism in America that many have been seeing for years. Not sure where Muir’s been for his entire life. |
| Clinton says that “trust has been totally lost in a lot of places” even though a lot of police “are briding those divides” and are “acting heroically”, as in shootings in Roseburg, Colorado, and San Bernardino, California. | Clinton says that “trust has been totally lost in a lot of places” even though a lot of police “are briding those divides” and are “acting heroically”, as in shootings in Roseburg, Colorado, and San Bernardino, California. |
| “We need to hear the voices of those men and women, and boys and girls, who feel like strangers in their own country.” | “We need to hear the voices of those men and women, and boys and girls, who feel like strangers in their own country.” |
| She says that’s how we begin to rebuild trust. | She says that’s how we begin to rebuild trust. |
| 3.09am GMT | 3.09am GMT |
| 03:09 | 03:09 |
| Sanders and Clinton are now arguing about “a buck 61” as an tax for paid family leave – they’re talking about legislation that’s out in limbo on Capitol Hill. | Sanders and Clinton are now arguing about “a buck 61” as an tax for paid family leave – they’re talking about legislation that’s out in limbo on Capitol Hill. |
| The spat gets heated (Sanders’ face is tomato red) but doesn’t resolve with much clarity about how either would pay for healthcare costs, except that Clinton rules out middle-class tax hikes and Sanders does not. | The spat gets heated (Sanders’ face is tomato red) but doesn’t resolve with much clarity about how either would pay for healthcare costs, except that Clinton rules out middle-class tax hikes and Sanders does not. |
| Before we know it the moderators are throwing to commercial. | Before we know it the moderators are throwing to commercial. |
| Updated | Updated |
| at 3.12am GMT | at 3.12am GMT |