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Democratic debate: candidates spar over college, taxes and healthcare: 'Now this is getting fun' – live Democratic debate: Clinton walks tightrope on 'regime change' and Middle East – live
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4.07am GMT04:07
Commentary from the Republican camp of presidential hopefuls.
Ted Cruz: “Obamacare’s problems aren’t a “glitch”. Obamacare’s problem is it is a failure. We need a #FullRepeal.”
Rand Paul: a Princess Bride meme.
Jeb Bush: “Nothing like listening to 3 democrats argue about who is going to raise taxes the most.”
No @HillaryClinton - We are not "where we need to be" in fight against ISIS. #DemDebate https://t.co/PFPpF5lADy
And Donald Trump with media commentary.
.@GStephanopoulos stupidly believes that Hillary wants to run against me because she said so. She says that so people believe it - opposite!
4.03am GMT04:03
Richard Wolffe
From Guardian US columnist Richard Wolffe:
Clinton’s closing statement underscored the two biggest drivers behind her turnout operation: fear of a GOP president after the extreme positions of the Republican candidates, and her position as a woman (or as she prefers to call herself, a grandmother).
And just in case young men were feeling left out, she delivered a Star Wars punch line.
May the force be with everyone who watched this whole long debate.
3.53am GMT03:53
Jeb Lund
From Guardian US columnist Jeb Lund:
“May the force be with you.” You know, the Sith used the force, too.
3.50am GMT03:50
Closing statements:
Bernie Sanders: Thank you first of all to the two other people on stage: we have a lot more to offer to the American people than the rightwing extremists on the other side. My father was a penniless immigrant to Brooklyn New York. My mother wanted us to get out of that rent-controlled apartment, but didn’t live to see it. My brother and I were the first to go to college. So I am dedicated to bringing about a political revolution, where people say enough is enough, the country belongs to all of us, not just a bunch of billionaires.
Martin O’Malley: Thank you, New Hampshire. It’s most important to me to ensure the security of my children. The Republicans have a lot of anger and fear, and they can keep them. Anger and fear didn’t build America. We build America with an immigration plan that welcomes people, by investing into infrastructure and education, and by defending our values and freedoms from terrorists and fearmongers alike. And we do it by confronting climate change, the biggest challenge of our times.
Hillary Clinton: In a little more than a year we’ll have a president. If heaven, forbid the next president is a Republican, we know what’s going to happen. Women’s rights, gay rights, voter rights – all will be at risk .Social security could be privatized, veterans healthcare could be privatized, Planned Parenthood could be defunded. This is a watershed election. I know how important it is that we have a Democrat succeed president Obama in the White House. I want to make sure every child has a chance to live up to their potential. If you join me we can make that happen. Thank you, good night, and may the Force be with you.
She really said “may the Force be with you.”
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Suddenly moderator Raddatz, who’s been a tough questioner all night, suddenly asks Clinton about flower arrangements and the role of a first lady, a title the former secretary of state gave up 15 years ago. Suddenly moderator Raddatz, who’s been a tough questioner all night, asks Clinton about flower arrangements and the role of a first lady, a title the former secretary of state gave up 15 years ago.
Clinton answers politely, praising Michelle Obama and saying that as president she’d probably still pick the flowers and the china, rather than let Bill muck it up.Clinton answers politely, praising Michelle Obama and saying that as president she’d probably still pick the flowers and the china, rather than let Bill muck it up.
Sanders jokes that his wife would have a bigger desk than him as president, because she’s smarter than him. He gets serious to praise Clinton, who he says “not only did an outstanding job as our first lady but redefined what that role could be”.Sanders jokes that his wife would have a bigger desk than him as president, because she’s smarter than him. He gets serious to praise Clinton, who he says “not only did an outstanding job as our first lady but redefined what that role could be”.
O’Malley says he’d let his wife do whatever she wanted to do “regardless of her husband’s success in getting elected president”.O’Malley says he’d let his wife do whatever she wanted to do “regardless of her husband’s success in getting elected president”.
Updated at 3.39am GMT Updated at 3.44am GMT
3.38am GMT03:383.38am GMT03:38
Megan CarpentierMegan Carpentier
From Guardian US opinion editor Megan Carpentier:From Guardian US opinion editor Megan Carpentier:
I really cannot believe that one of the questions Martha Raddatz asked was whether Bill Clinton becoming First Dude meant it was necessary to reconsider the role of First Lady. I mean, we couldn’t have reconsidered it any other time since, I don’t know, Jackie O? Ladybird Johnson?I really cannot believe that one of the questions Martha Raddatz asked was whether Bill Clinton becoming First Dude meant it was necessary to reconsider the role of First Lady. I mean, we couldn’t have reconsidered it any other time since, I don’t know, Jackie O? Ladybird Johnson?
But then when Clinton said she’d still be picking the flower arrangements and the china patterns if Bill was First Dude, I mostly wanted to crawl up under my desk with a bottle of wine and not come out again. IT IS OK THAT YOU DIDN’T WANT TO STAY HOME AND MAKE CHOCOLATE CHIP COOKIES. YOU NOT ONLY CANNOT HAVE IT ALL, YOU DON’T HAVE TO WANT TO.But then when Clinton said she’d still be picking the flower arrangements and the china patterns if Bill was First Dude, I mostly wanted to crawl up under my desk with a bottle of wine and not come out again. IT IS OK THAT YOU DIDN’T WANT TO STAY HOME AND MAKE CHOCOLATE CHIP COOKIES. YOU NOT ONLY CANNOT HAVE IT ALL, YOU DON’T HAVE TO WANT TO.
3.34am GMT03:343.34am GMT03:34
Clinton: US has two roles in Middle EastClinton: US has two roles in Middle East
Sanders uses the opportunity to repeat his argument that Clinton is for regime changes, unlike himself.Sanders uses the opportunity to repeat his argument that Clinton is for regime changes, unlike himself.
Clinton again points out that he supported the ouster of Muammar Gaddafi. “I’m not standing here today and saying that Libya is as [stable] as Tunisia,” she says. “I warned about what would happen in Egypt” with quick regime change.Clinton again points out that he supported the ouster of Muammar Gaddafi. “I’m not standing here today and saying that Libya is as [stable] as Tunisia,” she says. “I warned about what would happen in Egypt” with quick regime change.
She says the US has pursued two separate tacts: “one [to] work with the tough men, the dictators for our own benefit, and promote democracy, that’s a rough road for us to walk but I think it’s the right road for us to travel.”She says the US has pursued two separate tacts: “one [to] work with the tough men, the dictators for our own benefit, and promote democracy, that’s a rough road for us to walk but I think it’s the right road for us to travel.”
O’Malley says “we probably let our lust for regime changes get the better” of prioritizing stability in the region.O’Malley says “we probably let our lust for regime changes get the better” of prioritizing stability in the region.
3.31am GMT03:313.31am GMT03:31
Back to foreign policy: intervention in Libya, then chaos.Back to foreign policy: intervention in Libya, then chaos.
Moderator Raddatz: how much of Libya’s civil war is your fault, secretary Clinton?Moderator Raddatz: how much of Libya’s civil war is your fault, secretary Clinton?
Clinton says well, it was a coalition, and we feared what Muammar Gaddafi was going to do to civilians. And she says that Libyans did manage to do a little democracy before it all fell apart.Clinton says well, it was a coalition, and we feared what Muammar Gaddafi was going to do to civilians. And she says that Libyans did manage to do a little democracy before it all fell apart.
The whole region has been rendered unstable, in part because of the aftermath of the Arab Spring, in part because of the very effective propagandizing and outreach of Isis … but what we’re seeing in Libya right now is there has been a fragile agreement to put aside the agreements that exist among Libyans themselves to try to dislodge Isis from Sirte.”The whole region has been rendered unstable, in part because of the aftermath of the Arab Spring, in part because of the very effective propagandizing and outreach of Isis … but what we’re seeing in Libya right now is there has been a fragile agreement to put aside the agreements that exist among Libyans themselves to try to dislodge Isis from Sirte.”
Raddatz repeats: how much of this is your fault?Raddatz repeats: how much of this is your fault?
Clinton says the US tried to help but Libyans didn’t want it.Clinton says the US tried to help but Libyans didn’t want it.
We offered a lot more than they were willing to take. We also got rid of their chemical weapons and missiles. … If we’re not going to send American troops … to try to send trainers, experts, is something we offered, is something Europeans offered.We offered a lot more than they were willing to take. We also got rid of their chemical weapons and missiles. … If we’re not going to send American troops … to try to send trainers, experts, is something we offered, is something Europeans offered.
Raddatz: Were mistakes made?Raddatz: Were mistakes made?
“There’s always a retrospective to say what mistakes were made,” Clinton concedes.“There’s always a retrospective to say what mistakes were made,” Clinton concedes.
3.31am GMT03:313.31am GMT03:31
Jeb LundJeb Lund
From Guardian US contributor Jeb Lund:From Guardian US contributor Jeb Lund:
It’s welcome and great that we’re having a serious conversation about crippling (and sometimes fatal) addiction in America. Every one of these candidates has his or her heart in the right place about addressing the issue. Anything would be great.It’s welcome and great that we’re having a serious conversation about crippling (and sometimes fatal) addiction in America. Every one of these candidates has his or her heart in the right place about addressing the issue. Anything would be great.
But it’s really, really hard to get past the subtext of addiction having become a respectable bipartisan issue, which it now is: now that it’s a problem killing suburban white teens and dads and moms, it’s a disease instead of its symptom. Before, addiction was just a manifestation of what happens when you’ve got a terminal case of being a bad person.But it’s really, really hard to get past the subtext of addiction having become a respectable bipartisan issue, which it now is: now that it’s a problem killing suburban white teens and dads and moms, it’s a disease instead of its symptom. Before, addiction was just a manifestation of what happens when you’ve got a terminal case of being a bad person.
The sad thing is that we’re probably going to fund an intervention for this problem in the areas where this just recently became an acceptable national topic, instead of the communities we let drown in it for decades because the right sorts of victims didn’t live there.The sad thing is that we’re probably going to fund an intervention for this problem in the areas where this just recently became an acceptable national topic, instead of the communities we let drown in it for decades because the right sorts of victims didn’t live there.
3.27am GMT03:273.27am GMT03:27
From Guardian US columnist Jeb Lund:From Guardian US columnist Jeb Lund:
It’s embarrassing that Sanders is the only person who came close to a real answer on the racial elements of policing and the carceral state. Clinton’s answer was so vague that all trace of whatever it might have been has disappeared from my memory in a couple minutes. I remember racism being bad, but then it turned into a fog, like if Bram Stoker’s Dracula was rewritten to be about vampirism as a kind of permanent vagueness.It’s embarrassing that Sanders is the only person who came close to a real answer on the racial elements of policing and the carceral state. Clinton’s answer was so vague that all trace of whatever it might have been has disappeared from my memory in a couple minutes. I remember racism being bad, but then it turned into a fog, like if Bram Stoker’s Dracula was rewritten to be about vampirism as a kind of permanent vagueness.
From Guardian US columnist Lucia Graves:From Guardian US columnist Lucia Graves:
When Clinton was asked about the “Ferguson effect” – the notion that police are afraid to do their job because they’re worried about getting in legal trouble or sparking protests – she didn’t attack the false premise outright, focusing instead on “building on the work of the policing commission.”When Clinton was asked about the “Ferguson effect” – the notion that police are afraid to do their job because they’re worried about getting in legal trouble or sparking protests – she didn’t attack the false premise outright, focusing instead on “building on the work of the policing commission.”
It was Bernie who drew the biggest applause lines by stating the obvious: that police officers shouldn’t be running around shooting unarmed black people.It was Bernie who drew the biggest applause lines by stating the obvious: that police officers shouldn’t be running around shooting unarmed black people.
But all that is dancing around the issue: there’s no real data back evidence of a Ferguson effect. Candidates should say so.But all that is dancing around the issue: there’s no real data back evidence of a Ferguson effect. Candidates should say so.
Updated at 3.32am GMTUpdated at 3.32am GMT
3.26am GMT03:263.26am GMT03:26
Next question: heroin addiction in America.Next question: heroin addiction in America.
Sanders says this ties back to his plan to reform healthcare wholesale: “Addiction is a disease and not a criminal activity,” Sanders says, “and that means radically changing the way we deal with mental health and addiction.”Sanders says this ties back to his plan to reform healthcare wholesale: “Addiction is a disease and not a criminal activity,” Sanders says, “and that means radically changing the way we deal with mental health and addiction.”
“They should be able to walk in tomorrow and get a variety of treatments that could work for them.”“They should be able to walk in tomorrow and get a variety of treatments that could work for them.”
Clinton answers the question by talking about how she wants the federal government to give $5bn over several years. She wants fewer opioid prescriptions from medical providers and new law enforcement tactics – “every law enforcers should carry the antidote to overdose”.Clinton answers the question by talking about how she wants the federal government to give $5bn over several years. She wants fewer opioid prescriptions from medical providers and new law enforcement tactics – “every law enforcers should carry the antidote to overdose”.
O’Malley again alludes to his experiences in Baltimore, saying he agrees that over-prescribing of opioids. He wants a $12bn federal investment in “local partnerships”, and interventions at hospitals when people come in suffering from opioid overdoses or symptoms.O’Malley again alludes to his experiences in Baltimore, saying he agrees that over-prescribing of opioids. He wants a $12bn federal investment in “local partnerships”, and interventions at hospitals when people come in suffering from opioid overdoses or symptoms.
3.21am GMT03:213.21am GMT03:21
Sanders handles the question next, and says the priority should be not only to end institutional racism but “major, major reforms of a broken criminal justice system”.Sanders handles the question next, and says the priority should be not only to end institutional racism but “major, major reforms of a broken criminal justice system”.
First and foremost he says police officers should not be shooting unarmed African Americans. “It means we need to rethink the so-called war on drugs,” he goes on, “which is why I’ve taken marijuana out of the controlled substance act, so that it will not be a federal crime.”First and foremost he says police officers should not be shooting unarmed African Americans. “It means we need to rethink the so-called war on drugs,” he goes on, “which is why I’ve taken marijuana out of the controlled substance act, so that it will not be a federal crime.”
He says police departments need to move toward community policing – they need to “look like the communities they serve in terms of diversity”. We need to end minimum mandatory sentences and reduce incarceration, he concludes, before moderator Muir says he’s done.He says police departments need to move toward community policing – they need to “look like the communities they serve in terms of diversity”. We need to end minimum mandatory sentences and reduce incarceration, he concludes, before moderator Muir says he’s done.
3.20am GMT03:203.20am GMT03:20
O’Malley says he’s worked on nothing more than policing, and that as mayor of Baltimore he managed to reduce violent crime greatly.O’Malley says he’s worked on nothing more than policing, and that as mayor of Baltimore he managed to reduce violent crime greatly.
(O’Malley was mayor until 2007; in November Baltimore reached its highest homicide rate ever.)(O’Malley was mayor until 2007; in November Baltimore reached its highest homicide rate ever.)
He says police departments should be required to report excessive force incidents, to rely on data for policing tactics, and require greater oversight.He says police departments should be required to report excessive force incidents, to rely on data for policing tactics, and require greater oversight.
3.17am GMT03:173.17am GMT03:17
Next Q: race in America.Next Q: race in America.
Moderator David Muir says that because of cellphone cameras “we’re just now seeing for the first time” racism in America that many have been seeing for years. Not sure where Muir’s been for his entire life.Moderator David Muir says that because of cellphone cameras “we’re just now seeing for the first time” racism in America that many have been seeing for years. Not sure where Muir’s been for his entire life.
Clinton says that “trust has been totally lost in a lot of places” even though a lot of police “are briding those divides” and are “acting heroically”, as in shootings in Roseburg, Colorado, and San Bernardino, California.Clinton says that “trust has been totally lost in a lot of places” even though a lot of police “are briding those divides” and are “acting heroically”, as in shootings in Roseburg, Colorado, and San Bernardino, California.
“We need to hear the voices of those men and women, and boys and girls, who feel like strangers in their own country.”“We need to hear the voices of those men and women, and boys and girls, who feel like strangers in their own country.”
She says that’s how we begin to rebuild trust.She says that’s how we begin to rebuild trust.
3.09am GMT03:093.09am GMT03:09
Sanders and Clinton are now arguing about “a buck 61” as an tax for paid family leave – they’re talking about legislation that’s out in limbo on Capitol Hill.Sanders and Clinton are now arguing about “a buck 61” as an tax for paid family leave – they’re talking about legislation that’s out in limbo on Capitol Hill.
The spat gets heated (Sanders’ face is tomato red) but doesn’t resolve with much clarity about how either would pay for healthcare costs, except that Clinton rules out middle-class tax hikes and Sanders does not.The spat gets heated (Sanders’ face is tomato red) but doesn’t resolve with much clarity about how either would pay for healthcare costs, except that Clinton rules out middle-class tax hikes and Sanders does not.
Before we know it the moderators are throwing to commercial.Before we know it the moderators are throwing to commercial.
Updated at 3.12am GMTUpdated at 3.12am GMT
3.06am GMT03:063.06am GMT03:06
Clinton and Sanders spar on taxesClinton and Sanders spar on taxes
She turns the question around to talk about healthcare, accusing Sanders of sending healthcare costs to the states, and then the middle class.She turns the question around to talk about healthcare, accusing Sanders of sending healthcare costs to the states, and then the middle class.
Sanders, surprise surprise, takes issue, saying that the key of his proposals is that it does away “with the cost of private insurance and that the middle class will be paying substantially less”.Sanders, surprise surprise, takes issue, saying that the key of his proposals is that it does away “with the cost of private insurance and that the middle class will be paying substantially less”.
Clint: “Your proposals go and send the healthcare systems to the states and my analysis is that you’re going to have to get more taxes out of the middle class.”Clint: “Your proposals go and send the healthcare systems to the states and my analysis is that you’re going to have to get more taxes out of the middle class.”
No middle class tax raises, that’s out of the question, she says.No middle class tax raises, that’s out of the question, she says.
The moderator tries to wrangle them both to a lower volume. “Now this is getting to be fun,” Sanders says.The moderator tries to wrangle them both to a lower volume. “Now this is getting to be fun,” Sanders says.
Updated at 3.12am GMTUpdated at 3.12am GMT
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O’Malley gets the same question, boasting that he has actually lowered education costs in Maryland and rambling a bit about how proud he is that his daughters graduated from university.O’Malley gets the same question, boasting that he has actually lowered education costs in Maryland and rambling a bit about how proud he is that his daughters graduated from university.
He doesn’t answer the question about how to afford it at all.He doesn’t answer the question about how to afford it at all.
Clinton says that states have put money into prisons and highways and not schools, and that she’d shuffle cash around for more universities. She says she doesn’t believe in free tuition for everybody, but rather tuition programs for poorer people – “debt-free tuition”.Clinton says that states have put money into prisons and highways and not schools, and that she’d shuffle cash around for more universities. She says she doesn’t believe in free tuition for everybody, but rather tuition programs for poorer people – “debt-free tuition”.
3.03am GMT03:033.03am GMT03:03
Jeb LundJeb Lund
From Guardian US columnist Jeb Lund:From Guardian US columnist Jeb Lund:
I understand that nobody likes a know-it-all moderator, but the baffled sputtering from Martha Raddatz about how Bernie Sanders will “make it work” in creating universal healthcare seems like a lot of performative Beltway look-at-this-nutbar stuff aimed at the political elites.I understand that nobody likes a know-it-all moderator, but the baffled sputtering from Martha Raddatz about how Bernie Sanders will “make it work” in creating universal healthcare seems like a lot of performative Beltway look-at-this-nutbar stuff aimed at the political elites.
Either ask a question about economies of scale or the profit margins of the insurance industry or just let the guy keep going.Either ask a question about economies of scale or the profit margins of the insurance industry or just let the guy keep going.
3.00am GMT03:003.00am GMT03:00
Someone in the audience asks how do we get free college education, as Sanders proposes.Someone in the audience asks how do we get free college education, as Sanders proposes.
Sanders calls out the universities who spend huge amounts of money on sports stadiums rather than professors or tuition costs.Sanders calls out the universities who spend huge amounts of money on sports stadiums rather than professors or tuition costs.
“It is insane to my mind” that hundreds of thousands of young people cannot afford a college education, he says. A speculation tax on Wall Street would raise the money to “not only make public universities free, but also substantially lower interest on student debts”.“It is insane to my mind” that hundreds of thousands of young people cannot afford a college education, he says. A speculation tax on Wall Street would raise the money to “not only make public universities free, but also substantially lower interest on student debts”.
The US needs “radical changes in the funding of higher education,” he says. “We should look at college today the way we looked at high school 60 years ago.”The US needs “radical changes in the funding of higher education,” he says. “We should look at college today the way we looked at high school 60 years ago.”
3.00am GMT03:003.00am GMT03:00
Richard WolffeRichard Wolffe
From Guardian US columnist Richard Wolffe:From Guardian US columnist Richard Wolffe:
Hillary Clinton – in the thick of the crossfire on her Wall Street ties – demonstrated why she is such a formidable candidate. O’Malley attacked her for crony capitalism; Sanders replayed his greatest hits from the late 1990s; but Clinton managed to hit a double.Hillary Clinton – in the thick of the crossfire on her Wall Street ties – demonstrated why she is such a formidable candidate. O’Malley attacked her for crony capitalism; Sanders replayed his greatest hits from the late 1990s; but Clinton managed to hit a double.
She punched back hard against both, while saying they were united against the Republicans. As fluent a speaker as Marco Rubio, as sharp a debater as Ted Cruz, and more experienced on policy than John Kasich and Lindsey Graham combined, Clinton is a better debater than anyone else running for president in this cycle, and vastly better than she was herself eight years ago.She punched back hard against both, while saying they were united against the Republicans. As fluent a speaker as Marco Rubio, as sharp a debater as Ted Cruz, and more experienced on policy than John Kasich and Lindsey Graham combined, Clinton is a better debater than anyone else running for president in this cycle, and vastly better than she was herself eight years ago.
2.57am GMT02:572.57am GMT02:57
Next question: healthcare.Next question: healthcare.
Insurance companies are overcharging everybody, Clinton says, and the higher prices of the last few years are about market readjustments – not the consequences of Obamacare.Insurance companies are overcharging everybody, Clinton says, and the higher prices of the last few years are about market readjustments – not the consequences of Obamacare.
“It will have effects on the private market,” she says, and in some states prices are so high “because governors there would not extend Medicaid.”“It will have effects on the private market,” she says, and in some states prices are so high “because governors there would not extend Medicaid.”
Sanders, who’s for a single-payer system, says the not only are deductibles rising, but millions of people still don’t have healthcare or can’t afford it. He dodges a question about what sort of taxes Americans would have to pay for a single-payer system, and says it’s ludicrous that the US is the only advanced country without such a system.Sanders, who’s for a single-payer system, says the not only are deductibles rising, but millions of people still don’t have healthcare or can’t afford it. He dodges a question about what sort of taxes Americans would have to pay for a single-payer system, and says it’s ludicrous that the US is the only advanced country without such a system.
“The drug companies are bribing the United States Congress,” he says.“The drug companies are bribing the United States Congress,” he says.
The moderator tells him to answer the question, which he only does vaguely, by saying Americans will in fact save money without private insurance costs.The moderator tells him to answer the question, which he only does vaguely, by saying Americans will in fact save money without private insurance costs.
“They will not be paying any private insurance. Businesses will not be paying any private insurance, the average middle class family will be saving thousands of dollars every year.”“They will not be paying any private insurance. Businesses will not be paying any private insurance, the average middle class family will be saving thousands of dollars every year.”
2.52am GMT02:522.52am GMT02:52
Sanders roars for speaking time: “My name was invoked!”Sanders roars for speaking time: “My name was invoked!”
He notes that he was against a slew of deregulatory measures in the 1990s, when he opposed measure of president Bill Clinton – “Maybe you know him, maybe you don’t.”He notes that he was against a slew of deregulatory measures in the 1990s, when he opposed measure of president Bill Clinton – “Maybe you know him, maybe you don’t.”
He adds that he’s proud of his voting record, which you can check out on Bernie Sanders dot com: “I’ll advertise my website as well.”He adds that he’s proud of his voting record, which you can check out on Bernie Sanders dot com: “I’ll advertise my website as well.”
Finally he repeats the Sanders refrain: gotta break up the big banks.Finally he repeats the Sanders refrain: gotta break up the big banks.
2.50am GMT02:502.50am GMT02:50
O’Malley says America is “an ecosystem”. Then he gets punchy, sketching caricatures of his rivals’ positions.O’Malley says America is “an ecosystem”. Then he gets punchy, sketching caricatures of his rivals’ positions.
He says wages won’t go up by “either trying to replace American capitalism with socialism, nor will we fix it with sort of Wall Street directed crony capitalism. I will have the backbone to take on Wall Street.”He says wages won’t go up by “either trying to replace American capitalism with socialism, nor will we fix it with sort of Wall Street directed crony capitalism. I will have the backbone to take on Wall Street.”
But he does also go after “the big six banks” and says they should be broken up. He also says the US needs a new Glass Steagall act – Sanders said all of this a moment ago.But he does also go after “the big six banks” and says they should be broken up. He also says the US needs a new Glass Steagall act – Sanders said all of this a moment ago.
Clinton laughs heartily at O’Malley’s attack, noting that several “hedge fund billionaires” are running attack ads against her because they know she and they do not share an agenda.Clinton laughs heartily at O’Malley’s attack, noting that several “hedge fund billionaires” are running attack ads against her because they know she and they do not share an agenda.
“I have more donations from students or teachers than I do from people associated with Wall Street.”“I have more donations from students or teachers than I do from people associated with Wall Street.”
Then she says O’Malley “had no trouble” appointing an investment banker for Maryland’s consumer protection bureau, nor for taking Wall Street money earlier in his career. She takes a sidelong shot at Sanders’ record, too, but finally rounds it out with a sally at unity: at least us Democrats aren’t like those money-loving Republicans.Then she says O’Malley “had no trouble” appointing an investment banker for Maryland’s consumer protection bureau, nor for taking Wall Street money earlier in his career. She takes a sidelong shot at Sanders’ record, too, but finally rounds it out with a sally at unity: at least us Democrats aren’t like those money-loving Republicans.
2.50am GMT02:502.50am GMT02:50
Richard WolffeRichard Wolffe
From Guardian US columnist Richard Wolffe:From Guardian US columnist Richard Wolffe:
Wait. Martin O’Malley was a governor? With a record to run on and a 15-point economic plan? If he’s not careful, he’s going to sound like Mitt Romney.Wait. Martin O’Malley was a governor? With a record to run on and a 15-point economic plan? If he’s not careful, he’s going to sound like Mitt Romney.
Clinton – who hasn’t met a 15-point plan she doesn’t like – reels off a very long list of her issues and name checks her website. She is saved by the most simplistically phrased question of the night.Clinton – who hasn’t met a 15-point plan she doesn’t like – reels off a very long list of her issues and name checks her website. She is saved by the most simplistically phrased question of the night.
“Should corporate America love Hillary Clinton?” asks David Muir.“Should corporate America love Hillary Clinton?” asks David Muir.
“Everyone should love me!”“Everyone should love me!”
2.48am GMT02:482.48am GMT02:48
Megan CarpentierMegan Carpentier
Apparently, ABC couldn’t quite wait for the frontrunner to make her way back to the stage to re-start the questions after the commercial break – I guess men really don’t know what we have to do to use the bathroom (and that’s not even counting if you’re wearing “shapewear”). But, hint hint, boys, we can’t just stand there and unzip.Apparently, ABC couldn’t quite wait for the frontrunner to make her way back to the stage to re-start the questions after the commercial break – I guess men really don’t know what we have to do to use the bathroom (and that’s not even counting if you’re wearing “shapewear”). But, hint hint, boys, we can’t just stand there and unzip.
We weren’t the only ones to notice.We weren’t the only ones to notice.
Agreement not to show empty podium is pretty standard in campaign negotiations. I’m kind of stunned right nowAgreement not to show empty podium is pretty standard in campaign negotiations. I’m kind of stunned right now
This is why women need more stalls in the restrooms!! smh She probably had to wait in lineThis is why women need more stalls in the restrooms!! smh She probably had to wait in line
But then things got a little funnier ...But then things got a little funnier ...
Hillary was backstage asking for a Chardonnay and trying to get the sounds of two dudes shouting out of her ears.Hillary was backstage asking for a Chardonnay and trying to get the sounds of two dudes shouting out of her ears.
Hillary was offstage DM'ing me. We're both a little shaken about the most recent episode of THE KNICK. #DemDebateHillary was offstage DM'ing me. We're both a little shaken about the most recent episode of THE KNICK. #DemDebate
"Nobody puts baby in the corner bathroom!" -Hillary's new motto. #DemDebate"Nobody puts baby in the corner bathroom!" -Hillary's new motto. #DemDebate
Would have loved her forever if she explained herself with "Mr. Hall, I was surfing the crimson wave. I had to haul ass to the Ladies."Would have loved her forever if she explained herself with "Mr. Hall, I was surfing the crimson wave. I had to haul ass to the Ladies."
I think some @berniesanders digital guys remotely locked the ladies room door!I think some @berniesanders digital guys remotely locked the ladies room door!
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Sanders: break up the banksSanders: break up the banks
Will corporate America love a president Sanders?Will corporate America love a president Sanders?
“No, I think they wont.” The audience likes that. “They ain’t gonna like me, and Wall Street is gonna like me even less.”“No, I think they wont.” The audience likes that. “They ain’t gonna like me, and Wall Street is gonna like me even less.”
He goes after the greed and “illegal behavior on Wall Street. When you have six financial institutions in this country that issue six of the credit cards and three of the mortgages,” when those institutions are bigger than they were 10 years ago – that’s a problem.He goes after the greed and “illegal behavior on Wall Street. When you have six financial institutions in this country that issue six of the credit cards and three of the mortgages,” when those institutions are bigger than they were 10 years ago – that’s a problem.
“We have go to break the large financial institutions up. Having said that I don’t think I’m going to get a lot of campaign contributions from Wall Street.”“We have go to break the large financial institutions up. Having said that I don’t think I’m going to get a lot of campaign contributions from Wall Street.”
He knows there are some good companies out there, he says, but “the greed of the billionaire, the greed of Wall Street, is destroying our economy.”He knows there are some good companies out there, he says, but “the greed of the billionaire, the greed of Wall Street, is destroying our economy.”
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Clinton: I'm for the middle class and corporationsClinton: I'm for the middle class and corporations
Clinton answers third, with a little kumbaya for her rivals.Clinton answers third, with a little kumbaya for her rivals.
If people feel the game is rigged, that has consequences. I think it’s great sitting up here with the senator and the governor talking about these issues, because you’re not going to hear this from any of the Republicans.If people feel the game is rigged, that has consequences. I think it’s great sitting up here with the senator and the governor talking about these issues, because you’re not going to hear this from any of the Republicans.
The central tenet of her plan is to get wages up, including a fair-pay act for women and new payment schemes that make employees greater stakeholders in their companies. She gives a shout to Hillary Clinton dot com.The central tenet of her plan is to get wages up, including a fair-pay act for women and new payment schemes that make employees greater stakeholders in their companies. She gives a shout to Hillary Clinton dot com.
The moderator cuts her off a bit and asks about her longstanding ties to Wall Street. Should corporate America love Clinton, he asks?The moderator cuts her off a bit and asks about her longstanding ties to Wall Street. Should corporate America love Clinton, he asks?
“Absolutely. Everybody should!”“Absolutely. Everybody should!”
She gets applause for that, and says that she wants to create more small business jobs.” If people in the private sector know what I fought for,” and they want to be part of building our economy so it works for everyone, “more power to them,” she says.She gets applause for that, and says that she wants to create more small business jobs.” If people in the private sector know what I fought for,” and they want to be part of building our economy so it works for everyone, “more power to them,” she says.
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Next question: the economy. Clinton strolls on stage halfway the moderator’s question.Next question: the economy. Clinton strolls on stage halfway the moderator’s question.
Sanders answers first:Sanders answers first:
We have a rigged economy. Are we better off today than we were when Bush left office? Absolutely. But as you’ve indicated, people all over America … are working longer hours for lower wages.We have a rigged economy. Are we better off today than we were when Bush left office? Absolutely. But as you’ve indicated, people all over America … are working longer hours for lower wages.
He says the billionaire class is going to start paying their fair share. Women should not be making 79 cents on the dollar compared. Real unemployment 10%, youth unemployment off the charts. We rebuild our crumbling infrastructure, we create 13 million jobs. I’m gonna have a tax on Wall Street speculation to make certain that public universities are tuition free.He says the billionaire class is going to start paying their fair share. Women should not be making 79 cents on the dollar compared. Real unemployment 10%, youth unemployment off the charts. We rebuild our crumbling infrastructure, we create 13 million jobs. I’m gonna have a tax on Wall Street speculation to make certain that public universities are tuition free.
O’Malley goes next. He says Marylanders understand that regulating capitalism well means better including everybody. We increased education funding by 37%, only state without an increase to college tuition. And we’re moving our economy to a clean electric future with solar industry jobs. These things aren’t amorphous goals.O’Malley goes next. He says Marylanders understand that regulating capitalism well means better including everybody. We increased education funding by 37%, only state without an increase to college tuition. And we’re moving our economy to a clean electric future with solar industry jobs. These things aren’t amorphous goals.
He’s really running through his memorized bit. He says he’s got a 15 point plan to get people working in better jobs. Then he wraps it up.He’s really running through his memorized bit. He says he’s got a 15 point plan to get people working in better jobs. Then he wraps it up.
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Clinton says increasing Iranian troops in Syria is like "asking the arsonist to come and pour more gas on the fire" #DemDebateClinton says increasing Iranian troops in Syria is like "asking the arsonist to come and pour more gas on the fire" #DemDebate
At last, clear blue water between candidates. Clinton favours focus on Assad and Isis. Sanders says that's more regime change, Isis first.At last, clear blue water between candidates. Clinton favours focus on Assad and Isis. Sanders says that's more regime change, Isis first.
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Jeb LundJeb Lund
From Guardian US columnist Jeb Lund:From Guardian US columnist Jeb Lund:
The one problem with O’Malley is that he has these moving, sort of emotionally-building anecdotes and rhetorical turns from the discussion that then don’t necessarily end up anywhere. He’s good at pausing to say that the current conversation is ossified or misguided, then calling on us to do something else, then wavers at the closing moment. He doesn’t want to offer something too new. So the speech ultimately reads as all prologue.The one problem with O’Malley is that he has these moving, sort of emotionally-building anecdotes and rhetorical turns from the discussion that then don’t necessarily end up anywhere. He’s good at pausing to say that the current conversation is ossified or misguided, then calling on us to do something else, then wavers at the closing moment. He doesn’t want to offer something too new. So the speech ultimately reads as all prologue.
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Sanders: US cannot police worldSanders: US cannot police world
Clinton is angry with O’Malley for making “comments”. “The reason we’re in the mess we’re in, that Isis has the territory it has, is because of Assad.”Clinton is angry with O’Malley for making “comments”. “The reason we’re in the mess we’re in, that Isis has the territory it has, is because of Assad.”
She gets hawkish, with a line that wouldn’t be out of place at a Republican debate: “If the United States does not lead there is not a leader, there is a vacuum. And we have to lead if we’re going to be successful.”She gets hawkish, with a line that wouldn’t be out of place at a Republican debate: “If the United States does not lead there is not a leader, there is a vacuum. And we have to lead if we’re going to be successful.”
She says she advocated arming “the moderate” opposition, the existence of which has been contentious for five years, because she feared that Syria would descend into the chaos that has been realized today.She says she advocated arming “the moderate” opposition, the existence of which has been contentious for five years, because she feared that Syria would descend into the chaos that has been realized today.
Sanders jumps in to disagree: “The United States must lead but the United States is not the policeman of the world, the United States must not engage in perpetual warfare.”Sanders jumps in to disagree: “The United States must lead but the United States is not the policeman of the world, the United States must not engage in perpetual warfare.”
“Let’s get rid of Assad later, let’s have a democratic Syria, but the first task must be” to create a coalition to defeat Isil.“Let’s get rid of Assad later, let’s have a democratic Syria, but the first task must be” to create a coalition to defeat Isil.
Updated at 2.40am GMTUpdated at 2.40am GMT
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Richard WolffeRichard Wolffe
From Guardian US columnist Richard Wolffe:From Guardian US columnist Richard Wolffe:
Feel the Bern!Feel the Bern!
Sanders attacked Clinton on the war in Iraq and overthrowing Gaddafi in Libya. But Clinton counter-punched hard by pointing out that Sanders voted for action in Libya. Sanders either didn’t get the time to respond or is speechless – hard to know which.Sanders attacked Clinton on the war in Iraq and overthrowing Gaddafi in Libya. But Clinton counter-punched hard by pointing out that Sanders voted for action in Libya. Sanders either didn’t get the time to respond or is speechless – hard to know which.
“May I offer the perspective of a different generation?”“May I offer the perspective of a different generation?”
With that, O’Malley landed his biggest blow against the big two candidates during the foreign policy discussion. The only problem is that his position is no different from the other two, er, older Democrats. Nice try, governor. But you need the policy to back up that kind of talk.With that, O’Malley landed his biggest blow against the big two candidates during the foreign policy discussion. The only problem is that his position is no different from the other two, er, older Democrats. Nice try, governor. But you need the policy to back up that kind of talk.
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Clinton energetically goes into a plan for both fighting Isis and working on a political negotiations simultaneously.Clinton energetically goes into a plan for both fighting Isis and working on a political negotiations simultaneously.
She says that failing to manage both would be to pour “more gas on the fire” as Iran and Russia get more deeply involved to support Assad. Iran’s expanded presence “would threaten Israel and would make it more difficult for us … to make a transition” away from Assad.She says that failing to manage both would be to pour “more gas on the fire” as Iran and Russia get more deeply involved to support Assad. Iran’s expanded presence “would threaten Israel and would make it more difficult for us … to make a transition” away from Assad.
Sanders counters: “It’s not Assad that’s attacking the United States. It’s Isis.” The militants are his priority he says, and the US should work in “a broad coalition, including Russia, to destroy Isis”.Sanders counters: “It’s not Assad that’s attacking the United States. It’s Isis.” The militants are his priority he says, and the US should work in “a broad coalition, including Russia, to destroy Isis”.
O’Malley says he wants to provide a different generation’s thinking – I guess he wants to talk up his relative youth? – the thinking mostly amounts to a rejection of cold war-era support/opposition to autocrats. He’s with Sanders though about prioritizing Isis.O’Malley says he wants to provide a different generation’s thinking – I guess he wants to talk up his relative youth? – the thinking mostly amounts to a rejection of cold war-era support/opposition to autocrats. He’s with Sanders though about prioritizing Isis.
Neither Sanders nor Clinton are answering some very good direct questions from Martha Raddatz on fighting IsisNeither Sanders nor Clinton are answering some very good direct questions from Martha Raddatz on fighting Isis
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Sanders disagrees. He brings up his vote against Iraq and Clinton’s vote for it.Sanders disagrees. He brings up his vote against Iraq and Clinton’s vote for it.
“I worry that secretary Clinton is a little too much into regime change” and not concerned about the consequences, he says.“I worry that secretary Clinton is a little too much into regime change” and not concerned about the consequences, he says.
We could get rid of Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, or Assad very quickly, but that’s not the point, he continues. He wants a coalition in every case to help manage the situation.We could get rid of Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddafi, or Assad very quickly, but that’s not the point, he continues. He wants a coalition in every case to help manage the situation.
“Getting rid of dictators is easy, but before you do that you’ve got to think of what happens the day after.”“Getting rid of dictators is easy, but before you do that you’ve got to think of what happens the day after.”
Clinton sharp reproaches Sanders: she points out that he was for intervention in Libya.Clinton sharp reproaches Sanders: she points out that he was for intervention in Libya.
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From Guardian US columnist Richard Wolffe:From Guardian US columnist Richard Wolffe:
The ghost of Christmas present is clearly Donald Trump. Normally Democratic candidates following a Democratic president have trouble finding their bearings. The reason they love mentioning the Donald is because he defines who they are better than President Obama. To adapt Biden’s famous quip about Giuliani, every sentence tonight seems to have a noun, a verb and a Trump.The ghost of Christmas present is clearly Donald Trump. Normally Democratic candidates following a Democratic president have trouble finding their bearings. The reason they love mentioning the Donald is because he defines who they are better than President Obama. To adapt Biden’s famous quip about Giuliani, every sentence tonight seems to have a noun, a verb and a Trump.
From Guardian US columnist Lucia Graves:From Guardian US columnist Lucia Graves:
Clinton however, got the first official opportunity to attack Trump’s – racist and probably unconstitutional – call to ban all Muslims from entering the country. It’s an issue that she thinks gets to the heart of both Trump’s appeal and danger.Clinton however, got the first official opportunity to attack Trump’s – racist and probably unconstitutional – call to ban all Muslims from entering the country. It’s an issue that she thinks gets to the heart of both Trump’s appeal and danger.
“A lot of people are reacting out of fear and anxiety about what they’re seeing, first what they saw in Paris now what they’ve seen in San Bernardino,” she said. “And Mr Trump has a great capacity to use bluster and bigotry to inflame people, and to make them think there are easy answers to very complex questions.”“A lot of people are reacting out of fear and anxiety about what they’re seeing, first what they saw in Paris now what they’ve seen in San Bernardino,” she said. “And Mr Trump has a great capacity to use bluster and bigotry to inflame people, and to make them think there are easy answers to very complex questions.”
Recalling her time as a senator from New York after the 9/11 attacks, Clinton said what’s needed is not banning Muslims, but the opposite: making sure Muslim Americans “don’t feel left out or marginalized at the very moment when we need their help”.Recalling her time as a senator from New York after the 9/11 attacks, Clinton said what’s needed is not banning Muslims, but the opposite: making sure Muslim Americans “don’t feel left out or marginalized at the very moment when we need their help”.
O’Malley and Sanders got in on the Trump-bashing too, O’Malley calling him “incompetent” and Sanders accusing him of stoking fear and anger.O’Malley and Sanders got in on the Trump-bashing too, O’Malley calling him “incompetent” and Sanders accusing him of stoking fear and anger.
“We’re going to hate the Mexicans, they’re criminals and rapists,” Sanders said, sarcastically channelling Trump. “We’re going to hate the Mexicans those are your enemies. We hate all the Muslims because all the Muslims are terrorists. We’re going to hate the Muslims. Meanwhile, the rich get richer.”“We’re going to hate the Mexicans, they’re criminals and rapists,” Sanders said, sarcastically channelling Trump. “We’re going to hate the Mexicans those are your enemies. We hate all the Muslims because all the Muslims are terrorists. We’re going to hate the Muslims. Meanwhile, the rich get richer.”
The audience applauded.The audience applauded.
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Clinton jumps in to talk about why a no-fly zone would be great – a refuge for the refugees and leverage on Russia and Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad.Clinton jumps in to talk about why a no-fly zone would be great – a refuge for the refugees and leverage on Russia and Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad.
But would she shoot down a Russian jet, like Turkey did earlier this year?But would she shoot down a Russian jet, like Turkey did earlier this year?
“I do not think it would come to that, we are already deconflicting air space!”“I do not think it would come to that, we are already deconflicting air space!”
“I am advocating the no-fly zone both because I think it would help us on the ground to protect Syrians, I am advocating it also because I think it would give us some leverage with the Russians.”“I am advocating the no-fly zone both because I think it would help us on the ground to protect Syrians, I am advocating it also because I think it would give us some leverage with the Russians.”
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The moderator asks about mission creep, considering Barack Obama’s decision to put special forces on the ground – and Clinton’s support for that move.The moderator asks about mission creep, considering Barack Obama’s decision to put special forces on the ground – and Clinton’s support for that move.
“If we lead an air coalition,” she says, “if we continue to build back up the Iraqi army, which has had some recent success in Ramadi” and work with tribal leaders, Isis will be defeated.“If we lead an air coalition,” she says, “if we continue to build back up the Iraqi army, which has had some recent success in Ramadi” and work with tribal leaders, Isis will be defeated.
O’Malley says there’s not enough diplomatic intelligence in the Middle East. “We do our military a disservice when we don’t greatly dial up the investment we make in our diplomacy and human intelligence.”O’Malley says there’s not enough diplomatic intelligence in the Middle East. “We do our military a disservice when we don’t greatly dial up the investment we make in our diplomacy and human intelligence.”
He wants a whole new sort of team, but doesn’t get into specifics about who’d be on it.He wants a whole new sort of team, but doesn’t get into specifics about who’d be on it.
Look, this is a genocidal threat. They have now created a safe haven … we cannot allow safe havens. … We need to come up with new alliances and new ways to come up with these kinds of threats.”Look, this is a genocidal threat. They have now created a safe haven … we cannot allow safe havens. … We need to come up with new alliances and new ways to come up with these kinds of threats.”
“This is the new type of threat that we’re facing and we need to lead.”“This is the new type of threat that we’re facing and we need to lead.”
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Clinton answers the same question with an outright rejection of ground troops too. Lots of agreement on stage tonight. She says Isis would love another US invasion.Clinton answers the same question with an outright rejection of ground troops too. Lots of agreement on stage tonight. She says Isis would love another US invasion.
They want American troops back in the Middle East, they want American soldiers back on the ground fighting them, giving them many more targets and giving them a great recruiting tool.They want American troops back in the Middle East, they want American soldiers back on the ground fighting them, giving them many more targets and giving them a great recruiting tool.
She repeats that Trump is making it all worse: “To take on the threat of Isis you don’t want to alienate the very people you need.”She repeats that Trump is making it all worse: “To take on the threat of Isis you don’t want to alienate the very people you need.”
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Sanders gets a question about military intervention in the Middle East – why he was for attacking al-Qaida in Afghanistan but not the invasion of Iraq or ground intervention against Isis.Sanders gets a question about military intervention in the Middle East – why he was for attacking al-Qaida in Afghanistan but not the invasion of Iraq or ground intervention against Isis.
He calls the invasion of Iraq one of the worst blunders in American history, and says that the war against Isis requires Sunni Muslim leadership. How will he fight Isis, though? He says he’ll make it work.He calls the invasion of Iraq one of the worst blunders in American history, and says that the war against Isis requires Sunni Muslim leadership. How will he fight Isis, though? He says he’ll make it work.
“I’ll tell Saudi Arabia instead of going to war in Yemen, they one of the wealthiest countries on earth” are going to have to fight Isis, he says. Qatar, “instead of paying $20bn on the World Cup, maybe they are going to have to pay attention to Isis”.“I’ll tell Saudi Arabia instead of going to war in Yemen, they one of the wealthiest countries on earth” are going to have to fight Isis, he says. Qatar, “instead of paying $20bn on the World Cup, maybe they are going to have to pay attention to Isis”.
The US “cannot succeed or be thought of as the policeman of the world”.The US “cannot succeed or be thought of as the policeman of the world”.
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Megan CarpentierMegan Carpentier
From Guardian US opinion editor Megan Carpentier:From Guardian US opinion editor Megan Carpentier:
Clinton has now made two references to the desires of law enforcement to force tech companies to install “backdoors” to existing consumer encryption on cell phones – that is to say, the kind of encryption used with iMessage and WhatsApp that keeps other people from easily reading your messages, not anything fancy you’d need a computer science degree to operate.Clinton has now made two references to the desires of law enforcement to force tech companies to install “backdoors” to existing consumer encryption on cell phones – that is to say, the kind of encryption used with iMessage and WhatsApp that keeps other people from easily reading your messages, not anything fancy you’d need a computer science degree to operate.
Like Carly Fiorina in this week’s Republican debate, Clinton is convinced that tech companies who have thus far, despite pressure from law enforcement and intelligence agencies, refused to make their systems more vulnerable to law enforcement – and therefore hackers – can just be cajoled into cooperating with government, even though she admits that, like almost everyone else in government “I don’t know enough about the technology to be able say what [the solution] is”.Like Carly Fiorina in this week’s Republican debate, Clinton is convinced that tech companies who have thus far, despite pressure from law enforcement and intelligence agencies, refused to make their systems more vulnerable to law enforcement – and therefore hackers – can just be cajoled into cooperating with government, even though she admits that, like almost everyone else in government “I don’t know enough about the technology to be able say what [the solution] is”.
So she called for a “Manhattan-like project” to bring technology companies and government together to undermine existing consumer-level encryption.So she called for a “Manhattan-like project” to bring technology companies and government together to undermine existing consumer-level encryption.
At least she admitted: “Maybe the backdoor is the wrong door.”At least she admitted: “Maybe the backdoor is the wrong door.”
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The moderator asks Clinton and O’Malley about refugees.The moderator asks Clinton and O’Malley about refugees.
She notes that the vetting process is already lengthy and comprehensive – it takes 18-24 months, and involves multiple interviews. She says that to reassure Americans worried about refugees, she would outline priorities for whom to welcome: “I would prioritize widows and the elderly and orphans … people who may have families or have nowhere else to go.”She notes that the vetting process is already lengthy and comprehensive – it takes 18-24 months, and involves multiple interviews. She says that to reassure Americans worried about refugees, she would outline priorities for whom to welcome: “I would prioritize widows and the elderly and orphans … people who may have families or have nowhere else to go.”
O’Malley says he would call for even more refugees in the US, saying the country needs to continue to stand for the values that the Statue of Liberty represents.O’Malley says he would call for even more refugees in the US, saying the country needs to continue to stand for the values that the Statue of Liberty represents.
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Clinton gets asked about encryption – privacy versus security (read: surveillance) – and Clinton rolls out a line about getting tech companies to cooperate with law enforcers.Clinton gets asked about encryption – privacy versus security (read: surveillance) – and Clinton rolls out a line about getting tech companies to cooperate with law enforcers.
“I don’t know enough about the technology, Martha, to say what it is. Maybe the backdoor is the wrong door and I understand what Apple and others are saying about that. But I also understand when a law enforcement official is saying … ““I don’t know enough about the technology, Martha, to say what it is. Maybe the backdoor is the wrong door and I understand what Apple and others are saying about that. But I also understand when a law enforcement official is saying … “
“We always have to balance privacy and security,” she continues, “but I know that law enforcement needs the tools to keep us safe” – essentially coming down on the side of the FBI and NSA over more extensive surveillance tools.“We always have to balance privacy and security,” she continues, “but I know that law enforcement needs the tools to keep us safe” – essentially coming down on the side of the FBI and NSA over more extensive surveillance tools.
O’Malley gets a chance to answer, which he’s been desperate for. He goes for the pro-civil liberties approach, then waffles.O’Malley gets a chance to answer, which he’s been desperate for. He goes for the pro-civil liberties approach, then waffles.
I believe that we should never give up our privacy, never give up our freedoms … I believe we need a collaborative approach. … The federal government should have to get warrants. … But at the same time I believe that the people creating these products also have an obligation to [recognize] a responsibility to come to law enforcement.”I believe that we should never give up our privacy, never give up our freedoms … I believe we need a collaborative approach. … The federal government should have to get warrants. … But at the same time I believe that the people creating these products also have an obligation to [recognize] a responsibility to come to law enforcement.”
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Sanders gets a chance to answer, and rather deftly spins the Muslim ban question into one about inequality.Sanders gets a chance to answer, and rather deftly spins the Muslim ban question into one about inequality.
He says that Americans see these attacks and feel afraid, a fear compounded by the anxieties of stagnant wages, high unemployment and the other struggles of an unequal economy.He says that Americans see these attacks and feel afraid, a fear compounded by the anxieties of stagnant wages, high unemployment and the other struggles of an unequal economy.
“Somebody like a Trump comes along and says ‘I know the answers,’” Sanders says. Trump’s rhetoric amounts to shifting blame always onto someone else, whether Mexicans or Muslims as “enemies”.“Somebody like a Trump comes along and says ‘I know the answers,’” Sanders says. Trump’s rhetoric amounts to shifting blame always onto someone else, whether Mexicans or Muslims as “enemies”.
“Meanwhile the rich get richer,” Sanders shouts. He spins it into an appeal to unity above race and class, in rejection of fear and anger.“Meanwhile the rich get richer,” Sanders shouts. He spins it into an appeal to unity above race and class, in rejection of fear and anger.
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Jeb LundJeb Lund
From Guardian US columnist Jeb Lund:From Guardian US columnist Jeb Lund:
Clinton totally ducked the gun issue, but at least she did it with admirable (and, for this candidate group, universal) rhetoric about the importance and efficacy of using Muslim-Americans both as a first line of defense and also a repudiation of Isis and Marco Rubio’s rhetoric of a binary civilizational conflict between Islam and the US.Clinton totally ducked the gun issue, but at least she did it with admirable (and, for this candidate group, universal) rhetoric about the importance and efficacy of using Muslim-Americans both as a first line of defense and also a repudiation of Isis and Marco Rubio’s rhetoric of a binary civilizational conflict between Islam and the US.
That might explain why she and Sanders were content to swipe at O’Malley’s high moral rhetoric on the gun issue, because it makes the focus more on his being unreasonable than on her and Sanders wavering on it.That might explain why she and Sanders were content to swipe at O’Malley’s high moral rhetoric on the gun issue, because it makes the focus more on his being unreasonable than on her and Sanders wavering on it.
Unfortunately, what none of these candidates will do is address the point that O’Malley’s gun control rhetoric shouldn’t be tied to the existence of Isis. That’s just demagoguing from the progressive end, and it’s no better. Do something about gun control because it’s morally necessary and right, not because you can tie it to some looming foreign horror. If it’s right, it only needs reality to sell it, not some boogeyman of opportunity.Unfortunately, what none of these candidates will do is address the point that O’Malley’s gun control rhetoric shouldn’t be tied to the existence of Isis. That’s just demagoguing from the progressive end, and it’s no better. Do something about gun control because it’s morally necessary and right, not because you can tie it to some looming foreign horror. If it’s right, it only needs reality to sell it, not some boogeyman of opportunity.
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Martin PengellyMartin Pengelly
Our man in ABC’s room of young people, Will Ackerly, reports the opinion of another in the room of young people, one Mohammed Ali:Our man in ABC’s room of young people, Will Ackerly, reports the opinion of another in the room of young people, one Mohammed Ali:
Clinton is coming off as the mediator on gun control.Clinton is coming off as the mediator on gun control.
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The moderator asks about Donald Trump’s proposed ban on Muslims entering the US.The moderator asks about Donald Trump’s proposed ban on Muslims entering the US.
“I think a lot of people are understandably reacting with fear and anxiety to what they have seen,” she says, alluding to Paris and San Bernardino terrorist attacks. Trump makes “them think there are easy answers to very complex” problems.“I think a lot of people are understandably reacting with fear and anxiety to what they have seen,” she says, alluding to Paris and San Bernardino terrorist attacks. Trump makes “them think there are easy answers to very complex” problems.
We need to have everybody in our country focused on watching what happens and reporting it if it’s suspicious … making sure that Muslim Americans aren’t feeling left out or marginalized at the very moment when we need their help.”We need to have everybody in our country focused on watching what happens and reporting it if it’s suspicious … making sure that Muslim Americans aren’t feeling left out or marginalized at the very moment when we need their help.”
She goes for the 9/11 allusion (she was a New York senator). Then she gives credit to former president George W Bush for making overtures to the Muslim community after the September 11 attack.She goes for the 9/11 allusion (she was a New York senator). Then she gives credit to former president George W Bush for making overtures to the Muslim community after the September 11 attack.
“He is becoming Isis’ best recruiter. They are showing videos of Donald Trump insulting Muslims in order to recruit more radical jihadists.”“He is becoming Isis’ best recruiter. They are showing videos of Donald Trump insulting Muslims in order to recruit more radical jihadists.”
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O’Malley bursts in, unsolicited, trying hard to blame Washington DC for failing to make gun control happen – and trying to paint himself as the activist outsider who can get things done.O’Malley bursts in, unsolicited, trying hard to blame Washington DC for failing to make gun control happen – and trying to paint himself as the activist outsider who can get things done.
“Isil videos, Isil training videos, are trainng lone wolves that the easiest way to buy guns is at a gun show.”“Isil videos, Isil training videos, are trainng lone wolves that the easiest way to buy guns is at a gun show.”
He says “it’s because of a flip-flopping, political approach on Washington” that gun control won’t pass Congress.He says “it’s because of a flip-flopping, political approach on Washington” that gun control won’t pass Congress.
Sanders is upset: “Whoa-oa-oa-oa-oa-oa”Sanders is upset: “Whoa-oa-oa-oa-oa-oa”
“Let’s tell the truth, Martin,” Clinton chimes in.“Let’s tell the truth, Martin,” Clinton chimes in.
Sanders launches into a harangue about his own record, noting that he stuck with gun control measures when it was unpopular in Vermont, and that he’s calling for it now.Sanders launches into a harangue about his own record, noting that he stuck with gun control measures when it was unpopular in Vermont, and that he’s calling for it now.
Clinton makes a point that Sanders “has moved” on the issue – carefully pointing out his past pro-gun rights voting record – but says she’s glad he’s now for addressing some of those votes.Clinton makes a point that Sanders “has moved” on the issue – carefully pointing out his past pro-gun rights voting record – but says she’s glad he’s now for addressing some of those votes.
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The moderators ask Clinton about gun control. She makes the connection between terrorism and guns.The moderators ask Clinton about gun control. She makes the connection between terrorism and guns.
Abroad we need a coalition that is going to take on Isis … I know that it’s something you don’t just hope people do. … We need a coalition here at home. Guns in and of themselves in my opinion will not make Americans safer. We lose 33,000 people a year [to guns].Abroad we need a coalition that is going to take on Isis … I know that it’s something you don’t just hope people do. … We need a coalition here at home. Guns in and of themselves in my opinion will not make Americans safer. We lose 33,000 people a year [to guns].
Arming more people … I don’t think is the appropriate response to terrorism. I think what is is creating much deeper, closer relations, I think coalitions in our country.Arming more people … I don’t think is the appropriate response to terrorism. I think what is is creating much deeper, closer relations, I think coalitions in our country.
The first line of defense against radicalization, she says, are American Muslims.The first line of defense against radicalization, she says, are American Muslims.
“I worry greatly that the rhetoric coming from Republicans, particularly from Donald Trump, is sending a message to Muslims … that there is some clash of civilizations … which then I believe fans the flames of radicalization.”“I worry greatly that the rhetoric coming from Republicans, particularly from Donald Trump, is sending a message to Muslims … that there is some clash of civilizations … which then I believe fans the flames of radicalization.”
Sanders answers next, and says guns are a right.Sanders answers next, and says guns are a right.
But “when we have more than 300m guns in this country, when we see these horrific mass shootings … I believe we have got to bring together the vast majority of people who do believe” in basic gun control, such as background checks and limits on assault-style weapons, he says.But “when we have more than 300m guns in this country, when we see these horrific mass shootings … I believe we have got to bring together the vast majority of people who do believe” in basic gun control, such as background checks and limits on assault-style weapons, he says.
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From US opinion columnist Lucia Graves in Washington:From US opinion columnist Lucia Graves in Washington:
Bernie Sanders has been campaigning in no small part on morality – and he was not willing to relinquish that upper hand in light of his campaign’s recent data breach. Asked by a moderator if he wanted to apologize to Clinton, he went above and beyond.Bernie Sanders has been campaigning in no small part on morality – and he was not willing to relinquish that upper hand in light of his campaign’s recent data breach. Asked by a moderator if he wanted to apologize to Clinton, he went above and beyond.
“Yes I apologize,” he said. “Not only do I apologize to Secretary Clinton, I want to apologize to my supporters. This is not the type of campaign that I run and if find anyone else involved in this they will be fired.”“Yes I apologize,” he said. “Not only do I apologize to Secretary Clinton, I want to apologize to my supporters. This is not the type of campaign that I run and if find anyone else involved in this they will be fired.”
Clinton in turn rose above the issue, telling Sanders: “I don’t think the American people are all that interested in this.”Clinton in turn rose above the issue, telling Sanders: “I don’t think the American people are all that interested in this.”
From US opinion columnist Jeb Lund in Tampa, Florida:From US opinion columnist Jeb Lund in Tampa, Florida:
And good for Hillary for returning Bernie’s ‘I’m sick and tired of hearing about your damn emails’ by not pushing ahead on the third-party vendor data breach with the DNC. Although, you’ll never be able to convince some conspiracy-minded Sanders supporters that the Clinton campaign didn’t leak the information themselves in the first place – which means that even this graciousness can be interpreted by them as just a second bite at the integrity apple.And good for Hillary for returning Bernie’s ‘I’m sick and tired of hearing about your damn emails’ by not pushing ahead on the third-party vendor data breach with the DNC. Although, you’ll never be able to convince some conspiracy-minded Sanders supporters that the Clinton campaign didn’t leak the information themselves in the first place – which means that even this graciousness can be interpreted by them as just a second bite at the integrity apple.
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Sanders says extensive military intervention is not the answer on Isis for the US.Sanders says extensive military intervention is not the answer on Isis for the US.
“I do not believe in unilateral American action. I believe in action in which we put together a strong coalition of forces. Major powers and Muslim forces.”“I do not believe in unilateral American action. I believe in action in which we put together a strong coalition of forces. Major powers and Muslim forces.”
He gives a shout-out to King Abdullah of Jordan (Getting the name right, unlike Republican governor Chris Christie earlier this week) – and says that Jordan is helping “fight for the soul of Islam”.He gives a shout-out to King Abdullah of Jordan (Getting the name right, unlike Republican governor Chris Christie earlier this week) – and says that Jordan is helping “fight for the soul of Islam”.
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The moderator moves on to a question about terrorism, alluding to the husband and wife couple who killed 14 people in San Bernardino earlier in December.The moderator moves on to a question about terrorism, alluding to the husband and wife couple who killed 14 people in San Bernardino earlier in December.
Clinton says her strategy to for Isis is “not to contain them but to defeat them” – a shot at Barack Obama’s comments earliest this year about the group. Clinton outlines the plan:Clinton says her strategy to for Isis is “not to contain them but to defeat them” – a shot at Barack Obama’s comments earliest this year about the group. Clinton outlines the plan:
Finally she says that Americans cannot demonize Muslims, as some Republicans have done.Finally she says that Americans cannot demonize Muslims, as some Republicans have done.
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Clinton says she appreciates Sanders’ apology.Clinton says she appreciates Sanders’ apology.
“Obviously we were distressed when we learned of it, because we’ve worked very hard … and so now that I think that we’ve resolved your data, agreed on an independent inquiry, we should move on. Because I don’t think the American people care all that much.”“Obviously we were distressed when we learned of it, because we’ve worked very hard … and so now that I think that we’ve resolved your data, agreed on an independent inquiry, we should move on. Because I don’t think the American people care all that much.”
O’Malley juts in, saying that this sort of data breach is exemplary of why Washington is so terrible at getting anything done. He says people who are more “high-minded” than these incidents should check out Martin O’Malley dot com.O’Malley juts in, saying that this sort of data breach is exemplary of why Washington is so terrible at getting anything done. He says people who are more “high-minded” than these incidents should check out Martin O’Malley dot com.
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Sanders apologizes for data breachSanders apologizes for data breach
First question goes right to the database spat between Sanders and Clinton’s campaigns. Were your staffers stealing, the moderator asks?First question goes right to the database spat between Sanders and Clinton’s campaigns. Were your staffers stealing, the moderator asks?
Sanders says the DNC says there were two breaches in information, where his staff found information on their computers. Those staffers said: “Whoa, what’s going on here,” and went to the vendor and asked what was happening, resolving the problem without issue.Sanders says the DNC says there were two breaches in information, where his staff found information on their computers. Those staffers said: “Whoa, what’s going on here,” and went to the vendor and asked what was happening, resolving the problem without issue.
He says in this third incident someone instead looked at the information, which was wrong, and that that person was fired accordingly. But the DNC made “an egregious act” by cutting off his campaign’s access to voter data, he says.He says in this third incident someone instead looked at the information, which was wrong, and that that person was fired accordingly. But the DNC made “an egregious act” by cutting off his campaign’s access to voter data, he says.
He wants an investigation: “I’m not convinced that information from my campaign didn’t end up in her campaign.”He wants an investigation: “I’m not convinced that information from my campaign didn’t end up in her campaign.”
All the press bothers him too – but he’s immediate about an apology: “yes, I apologize” for the staffer’s actions. He apologizes to supporters too: “this is not the kind of campaign we want to run.”All the press bothers him too – but he’s immediate about an apology: “yes, I apologize” for the staffer’s actions. He apologizes to supporters too: “this is not the kind of campaign we want to run.”
Updated at 3.26am GMTUpdated at 3.26am GMT
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Jeb LundJeb Lund
From Guardian US columnist Jeb Lund, who is watching from Tampa, Florida:From Guardian US columnist Jeb Lund, who is watching from Tampa, Florida:
Martin O’Malley’s passionate opening statement in which he dropped the word “fascism” and mentioned the Statue of Liberty as an enduring American symbol echoed things he’s said in the past.Martin O’Malley’s passionate opening statement in which he dropped the word “fascism” and mentioned the Statue of Liberty as an enduring American symbol echoed things he’s said in the past.
So, I guess I have no choice but to echo things I’ve said in the past: I have no idea why this guy isn’t doing better.So, I guess I have no choice but to echo things I’ve said in the past: I have no idea why this guy isn’t doing better.
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Opening statements:Opening statements:
Hillary Clinton: Keep the country safe and help the economy grow for more people than just those at the top. I’ve got a strategy for defeating Isis without a ground war, and I’ve got a plan to increase incomes and help families sleep better at night. We’ve got to keep Republicans from repealing the Affordable Care Act, from giving tax breaks to the richest Americans, and from letting people on the no-fly list buy guns. I look forward to a discussion of real issues, not like those Repubilcan debates.Hillary Clinton: Keep the country safe and help the economy grow for more people than just those at the top. I’ve got a strategy for defeating Isis without a ground war, and I’ve got a plan to increase incomes and help families sleep better at night. We’ve got to keep Republicans from repealing the Affordable Care Act, from giving tax breaks to the richest Americans, and from letting people on the no-fly list buy guns. I look forward to a discussion of real issues, not like those Repubilcan debates.
Martin O’Malley: Tonight is different. Difference is now. Tonight is different because of this reason. American lives have been taken from us. I’ve looked into the eyes of veterans. Of Boy Scouts. Of Muslims. What our nation needs right now is a to realize we face a political danger, the danger of unscrupulous leaders trying to turn us on each other through fear. We will rise to the challenge of Isis, and we will rise to the challenges of the economy. We must never surrender our values to terrorists, racists or to “the fascist pleas of billionaires with big mouths”.Martin O’Malley: Tonight is different. Difference is now. Tonight is different because of this reason. American lives have been taken from us. I’ve looked into the eyes of veterans. Of Boy Scouts. Of Muslims. What our nation needs right now is a to realize we face a political danger, the danger of unscrupulous leaders trying to turn us on each other through fear. We will rise to the challenge of Isis, and we will rise to the challenges of the economy. We must never surrender our values to terrorists, racists or to “the fascist pleas of billionaires with big mouths”.
Bernie Sanders: Good evening, I am running for president of the United States because it is too late for establishment politics and establishment econmics. I’m running for president because our economy is rigged, because working class people are making smaller wages, and because income is going to the top 1%. I’m running for president because campaign finance is corrupt, billionaires are buying candidates. I’m running because we need to address climate change, and take on the fossil fuel industry and transform our energy system to sustainable energy. I want a new foreign policy, one that destroys Isis but does not get us in the quagmire of the Middle East, but rather works with a coalition of nations supporting Muslim troops on the ground.Bernie Sanders: Good evening, I am running for president of the United States because it is too late for establishment politics and establishment econmics. I’m running for president because our economy is rigged, because working class people are making smaller wages, and because income is going to the top 1%. I’m running for president because campaign finance is corrupt, billionaires are buying candidates. I’m running because we need to address climate change, and take on the fossil fuel industry and transform our energy system to sustainable energy. I want a new foreign policy, one that destroys Isis but does not get us in the quagmire of the Middle East, but rather works with a coalition of nations supporting Muslim troops on the ground.
1.37am GMT01:371.37am GMT01:37
Martin PengellyMartin Pengelly
It turns out I, the weekend editor, edging into this blog only briefly, am friends with one of the passionate, opinionated young people (“millennials”?) whom ABC has corralled into a room for some passionate, opinionated debate over the, well, passionate and opinionated debate to come. I looked up here at Guardian HQ and, swipe me, there he was on the screen.It turns out I, the weekend editor, edging into this blog only briefly, am friends with one of the passionate, opinionated young people (“millennials”?) whom ABC has corralled into a room for some passionate, opinionated debate over the, well, passionate and opinionated debate to come. I looked up here at Guardian HQ and, swipe me, there he was on the screen.
Will Ackerly, for it is he – as is this, most impressively – reports from the room: “The debate in here is incredibly passionate.”Will Ackerly, for it is he – as is this, most impressively – reports from the room: “The debate in here is incredibly passionate.”
“Not much discussion on national security yet,” Will adds.“Not much discussion on national security yet,” Will adds.
Updated at 1.57am GMTUpdated at 1.57am GMT
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It’s 8.31pm and ABC has aired snappy quotes of the three candidates sounding impassioned!It’s 8.31pm and ABC has aired snappy quotes of the three candidates sounding impassioned!
“Much has changed in the world since they last debated five weeks ago,” Martha Raddatz tells the crowd. Then she introduces Hillary Clinton, Martin O’Malley and Bernie Sanders.“Much has changed in the world since they last debated five weeks ago,” Martha Raddatz tells the crowd. Then she introduces Hillary Clinton, Martin O’Malley and Bernie Sanders.
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It’s almost as though the Democratic National Committee doesn’t really want us to watch …It’s almost as though the Democratic National Committee doesn’t really want us to watch …
BTW, the next Democratic debate is on a Sunday (Jan. 17). The final two are after New Hampshire.BTW, the next Democratic debate is on a Sunday (Jan. 17). The final two are after New Hampshire.
During the NFL playoffs! https://t.co/xtJn4rcmpkDuring the NFL playoffs! https://t.co/xtJn4rcmpk
(It’s also the three-day weekend of Martin Luther King Day…)(It’s also the three-day weekend of Martin Luther King Day…)
This may be the first presidential debate geared solely for an audience of shut-ins. Who do not have remote controls.This may be the first presidential debate geared solely for an audience of shut-ins. Who do not have remote controls.
When I am president, debates will start and end on time.When I am president, debates will start and end on time.
Updated at 1.29am GMTUpdated at 1.29am GMT
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The pre-debate moderator chatter begins! The talking heads are excited, and already describing Bernie Sanders as the frontrunner in New Hampshire, if also the 31-point underdog around the US.The pre-debate moderator chatter begins! The talking heads are excited, and already describing Bernie Sanders as the frontrunner in New Hampshire, if also the 31-point underdog around the US.
They point out that eight years ago Hillary Clinton had a +30-point lead over some senator named Barack Obama. And they do have a point that Sanders enjoys exceptionally strong support from a loud minority of progressives around the country.They point out that eight years ago Hillary Clinton had a +30-point lead over some senator named Barack Obama. And they do have a point that Sanders enjoys exceptionally strong support from a loud minority of progressives around the country.
Kshama Sawant, a Seattle city council member with the Socialist Alternative party, has launched an independent organization to back Sanders. My colleague Chris McGreal points out that Sawant spearheaded the $15 minimum wage law that passed in Seattle earlier this year. She just won re-election, and thanked Sanders for the victory.Kshama Sawant, a Seattle city council member with the Socialist Alternative party, has launched an independent organization to back Sanders. My colleague Chris McGreal points out that Sawant spearheaded the $15 minimum wage law that passed in Seattle earlier this year. She just won re-election, and thanked Sanders for the victory.
Updated at 1.11am GMTUpdated at 1.11am GMT
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T-minus nine minutes till ABC stops airing college football and turns to what Americans really want on a Saturday night: policy wonkery from the three people who want to run the United States.T-minus nine minutes till ABC stops airing college football and turns to what Americans really want on a Saturday night: policy wonkery from the three people who want to run the United States.
Outside the college hall, the Guardian’s DC chief Dan Roberts found some motley protesters who can barely contain themselves with excitement.Outside the college hall, the Guardian’s DC chief Dan Roberts found some motley protesters who can barely contain themselves with excitement.
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Self-declared democratic socialist, enemy of the big banks and … friend of the NRA? Not quite, but Bernie Sanders may be on the defensive over gun control tonight, despite his D-minus grade from the pro-gun group.Self-declared democratic socialist, enemy of the big banks and … friend of the NRA? Not quite, but Bernie Sanders may be on the defensive over gun control tonight, despite his D-minus grade from the pro-gun group.
My colleague Sabrina Siddiqui looks at how the Vermont senator’s voting record could haunt him in a year of high-profile shootings and the long-awaited return of gun control to the debate stage.My colleague Sabrina Siddiqui looks at how the Vermont senator’s voting record could haunt him in a year of high-profile shootings and the long-awaited return of gun control to the debate stage.
Sanders has struggled to explain his support for a bill in 2005 that granted legal protections to gun manufacturers. Attacked by Clinton and O’Malley during the last debate, Sanders said he voted for “a large and complicated bill”. Clinton countered by pointing out that she had voted against the same measure and had not found it “that complicated”.Sanders has struggled to explain his support for a bill in 2005 that granted legal protections to gun manufacturers. Attacked by Clinton and O’Malley during the last debate, Sanders said he voted for “a large and complicated bill”. Clinton countered by pointing out that she had voted against the same measure and had not found it “that complicated”.
Other votes from Sanders’s past also put him at odds with the majority of Democrats and instead on the side of the NRA.Other votes from Sanders’s past also put him at odds with the majority of Democrats and instead on the side of the NRA.
In 2006, as a member of the House of Representatives, Sanders voted in favor of a bill that would have made it harder for law enforcement to revoke the licenses of gun dealers who violated federal laws. Although the measure was bipartisan, the majority of Democrats,123, voted against. Sixty-three voted for it.In 2006, as a member of the House of Representatives, Sanders voted in favor of a bill that would have made it harder for law enforcement to revoke the licenses of gun dealers who violated federal laws. Although the measure was bipartisan, the majority of Democrats,123, voted against. Sixty-three voted for it.
There was also a House vote in 1993 on an amendment that would have established a loophole in the waiting period for background checks. Under the amendment, backed by Sanders, a gun purchase would proceed by default if the background check was not completed within one business day. The amendment was to be part of the Brady Bill, landmark legislation that mandated federal background checks. Ultimately, it was tweaked to a three-day period.There was also a House vote in 1993 on an amendment that would have established a loophole in the waiting period for background checks. Under the amendment, backed by Sanders, a gun purchase would proceed by default if the background check was not completed within one business day. The amendment was to be part of the Brady Bill, landmark legislation that mandated federal background checks. Ultimately, it was tweaked to a three-day period.
Related: Sanders gets defensive on gun control as Clinton tightens hold ahead of debateRelated: Sanders gets defensive on gun control as Clinton tightens hold ahead of debate
12.36am GMT00:3612.36am GMT00:36
The Democratic race already got a little a personal this week, when Bernie Sanders accused Hillary Clinton of facilitating extremism in Libya this week.The Democratic race already got a little a personal this week, when Bernie Sanders accused Hillary Clinton of facilitating extremism in Libya this week.
He told my colleague Dan Roberts in a pre-debate interview she voted for intervention “without worrying, I think, about what happened the day after and the kind of instability and the rise of Isis that we have seen in Libya.”He told my colleague Dan Roberts in a pre-debate interview she voted for intervention “without worrying, I think, about what happened the day after and the kind of instability and the rise of Isis that we have seen in Libya.”
“Regime change without worrying about what happens the day after you get rid of the dictator does not make a lot of sense,” Sanders said.“Regime change without worrying about what happens the day after you get rid of the dictator does not make a lot of sense,” Sanders said.
“I voted against the war in Iraq ... Secretary Clinton voted for that war. She was proud to have been involved in regime change in Libya, with [Muammar] Gaddafi, without worrying, I think, about what happened the day after and the kind of instability and the rise of Isis that we have seen in Libya.”“I voted against the war in Iraq ... Secretary Clinton voted for that war. She was proud to have been involved in regime change in Libya, with [Muammar] Gaddafi, without worrying, I think, about what happened the day after and the kind of instability and the rise of Isis that we have seen in Libya.”
Clinton has previously defended her role in airstrikes against Gaddafi in 2011, arguing he was a “murderous dictator ... who had American blood on his hands” and there was pressure for US action from European and Arab allies.Clinton has previously defended her role in airstrikes against Gaddafi in 2011, arguing he was a “murderous dictator ... who had American blood on his hands” and there was pressure for US action from European and Arab allies.
Related: Sanders: Clinton's pursuit of 'regime change' in Libya helped rise of IsisRelated: Sanders: Clinton's pursuit of 'regime change' in Libya helped rise of Isis
12.26am GMT00:2612.26am GMT00:26
The Democratic National Committee, apparently not content to schedule a debate at the odd hour of 8pm the Saturday before Christmas – Sanders and O’Malley have complained – has also decided to deter the press by telling them to congregate in an ice-skating rink.The Democratic National Committee, apparently not content to schedule a debate at the odd hour of 8pm the Saturday before Christmas – Sanders and O’Malley have complained – has also decided to deter the press by telling them to congregate in an ice-skating rink.
My colleague Lauren Gambino tweets rink-side, where debate officials have handed hand warmers.My colleague Lauren Gambino tweets rink-side, where debate officials have handed hand warmers.
It's as cold as it look. #DemDebate DemDebate pic.twitter.com/HhT2r1eqvGIt's as cold as it look. #DemDebate DemDebate pic.twitter.com/HhT2r1eqvG
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What’s this voter database kerfuffle about, anyway? My colleague Ben Jacobs takes apart the odd political scandal, and rules that everybody – Clinton, Sanders, the Democratic party – comes out a loser:What’s this voter database kerfuffle about, anyway? My colleague Ben Jacobs takes apart the odd political scandal, and rules that everybody – Clinton, Sanders, the Democratic party – comes out a loser:
The drama started on Wednesday morning, when several Sanders campaign staffers discovered that due to a software glitch in the voter file shared by all Democratic presidential campaigns, they could see proprietary data of the Clinton campaign.The drama started on Wednesday morning, when several Sanders campaign staffers discovered that due to a software glitch in the voter file shared by all Democratic presidential campaigns, they could see proprietary data of the Clinton campaign.
The staffers started exploring. In particular, they looked at the support scores the Clinton campaign had compiled in different states. This is proprietary information generated when a campaign, based on polling, modeling and demographic data, estimates the likelihood of a given voter’s support.The staffers started exploring. In particular, they looked at the support scores the Clinton campaign had compiled in different states. This is proprietary information generated when a campaign, based on polling, modeling and demographic data, estimates the likelihood of a given voter’s support.
The Sanders staffers said that they were only looking at the information in order to test the vulnerabilities of the system. The DNC and the Clinton campaign insisted they were looking to take advantage of the glitch.The Sanders staffers said that they were only looking at the information in order to test the vulnerabilities of the system. The DNC and the Clinton campaign insisted they were looking to take advantage of the glitch.
It is likely that aspects of both answers are correct. Political staffers are trained to be aggressive and that it’s always safer to beg forgiveness than ask permission. Without any effort, the Sanders staffers were given a rare window into the Clinton campaign’s internal efforts. It would have been hard to resist.It is likely that aspects of both answers are correct. Political staffers are trained to be aggressive and that it’s always safer to beg forgiveness than ask permission. Without any effort, the Sanders staffers were given a rare window into the Clinton campaign’s internal efforts. It would have been hard to resist.
The Clinton campaign claimed that “our data was stolen”, but that doesn’t seem to have been the case. What the Sanders staffers did was more like rifling through someone’s belongings and eyeballing each object – before putting it back.The Clinton campaign claimed that “our data was stolen”, but that doesn’t seem to have been the case. What the Sanders staffers did was more like rifling through someone’s belongings and eyeballing each object – before putting it back.
Such actions were unprecedented, though, and should embarrass the Sanders campaign. Even if it wasn’t an intentional hack, it represented remarkably bad judgment.Such actions were unprecedented, though, and should embarrass the Sanders campaign. Even if it wasn’t an intentional hack, it represented remarkably bad judgment.
And then the DNC overreacted and cut off the Sanders campaign’s access to the voter file. Every list of voters to target comes out of the voter file, whether it is intended to find volunteers, identify supporters or raise money. Every bit of data a campaign collects goes back into the voter file.And then the DNC overreacted and cut off the Sanders campaign’s access to the voter file. Every list of voters to target comes out of the voter file, whether it is intended to find volunteers, identify supporters or raise money. Every bit of data a campaign collects goes back into the voter file.
It is as essential to a campaign as electricity is to any household. In an unprecedented move, the DNC pulled the plug.It is as essential to a campaign as electricity is to any household. In an unprecedented move, the DNC pulled the plug.
Related: Democratic debate: candidates to clash amid data scandal that hurts all involvedRelated: Democratic debate: candidates to clash amid data scandal that hurts all involved
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Live from Manchester, New Hampshire, it’s debate night! Welcome to our live coverage of the third Democratic presidential debate, and thanks for joining us.Live from Manchester, New Hampshire, it’s debate night! Welcome to our live coverage of the third Democratic presidential debate, and thanks for joining us.
Tonight’s debate is at St Anselm College, a Catholic liberal arts school where finals just ended, freeing undergrads for the holidays. No such luck for the three Democratic contenders for president, who’ve been called away from their families to face each other and a televised test on foreign affairs and America.Tonight’s debate is at St Anselm College, a Catholic liberal arts school where finals just ended, freeing undergrads for the holidays. No such luck for the three Democratic contenders for president, who’ve been called away from their families to face each other and a televised test on foreign affairs and America.
But while the Democrats shared some good cheer in their first two debates, don’t expect the holiday spirit to make an appearance tonight. The Democratic race took a strange and dramatic turn this week, when staffers for the campaign of Senator Bernie Sanders, progressives’ beloved anti-Scrooge, exploited a voter database glitch to look at proprietary data of Hillary Clinton’s campaign. The Democratic National Committee suspended Sanders from using the critical shared database, Sanders sued, and the DNC backed down.But while the Democrats shared some good cheer in their first two debates, don’t expect the holiday spirit to make an appearance tonight. The Democratic race took a strange and dramatic turn this week, when staffers for the campaign of Senator Bernie Sanders, progressives’ beloved anti-Scrooge, exploited a voter database glitch to look at proprietary data of Hillary Clinton’s campaign. The Democratic National Committee suspended Sanders from using the critical shared database, Sanders sued, and the DNC backed down.
Staffers for Clinton, the presidential candidate of Christmas past, accused the rival campaign of stealing, and everybody came out bruised, confused and feeling hostile. Third candidate Martin O’Malley, former governor of Maryland, was somewhere off to the side, doing something down at 3%.Staffers for Clinton, the presidential candidate of Christmas past, accused the rival campaign of stealing, and everybody came out bruised, confused and feeling hostile. Third candidate Martin O’Malley, former governor of Maryland, was somewhere off to the side, doing something down at 3%.
Clinton leads Sanders 56% to 28% nationally, but trails him 47% to 45% in New Hampshire, according to poll averages. Their duel (truel?) with O’Malley, over national security, gun control, foreign affairs and more, is slated to start at 8pm ET.Clinton leads Sanders 56% to 28% nationally, but trails him 47% to 45% in New Hampshire, according to poll averages. Their duel (truel?) with O’Malley, over national security, gun control, foreign affairs and more, is slated to start at 8pm ET.
Along for the ride this evening here at Guardian US are:Along for the ride this evening here at Guardian US are:
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