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| Republican debate: Trump v Bush and Cruz v Rubio as tempers flare – as it happened | |
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| 4.11am GMT | |
| 04:11 | |
| So, that's it until the South Carolina primaries | |
| In what was the most aggressive, most cutthroat debate yet, all five candidates - excepting the somnolent Ben Carson - upped the anger ante in the presidential race. Here’s what we learned: | |
| The South Carolina primary is Sunday, February 20 - we’ll see you there. | |
| 4.00am GMT | |
| 04:00 | |
| James Pethokoukis | |
| The big question is whether any of that 30%-plus of Republicans who are considered Trump voters have tired of his act. My guess is they have not, and view his continued bellicosity – on display again tonight – as strength. | |
| This was another strong debate from Bush, but it might be too little too late. Cruz started strong with his Scalia question, but seemed to fade. | |
| And, one big question heading into this debate is whether Rubio would find his bearings and shake off the #RubioBot tag. And, it was the old Rubio: he offered smart, concise answers that seemed maybe a bit too smooth but not canned. He was more energetic young McKinsey consultant than Lt Commander Data and, for the most part, he escaped the unpleasant on-stage bickering and stayed out of Trump’s sites. | |
| My grades: Rubio A-; Bush B+; Trump B; Kasich B; Cruz B-; Carson C+. Trump is still the favorite to win South Carolina a week from now, but maybe Rubio and Bush will get a bit of a lift from this debate. | |
| 3.54am GMT | 3.54am GMT |
| 03:54 | 03:54 |
| Trump. | Trump. |
| “Politicians are all talk, no action. You’ve seen where they’ve taken you to.” Then moves into his stump “we don’t win” spiel. | “Politicians are all talk, no action. You’ve seen where they’ve taken you to.” Then moves into his stump “we don’t win” spiel. |
| “We are not going to be controlled by people that are special interests and lobbyists.” | “We are not going to be controlled by people that are special interests and lobbyists.” |
| 3.53am GMT | 3.53am GMT |
| 03:53 | 03:53 |
| Ted Cruz. | Ted Cruz. |
| “Two branches of government hang in the balance. Not just the presidency, but the Supreme Court.” | “Two branches of government hang in the balance. Not just the presidency, but the Supreme Court.” |
| 3.51am GMT | 3.51am GMT |
| 03:51 | 03:51 |
| Now Rubio. | Now Rubio. |
| “This is a difficult time for our country. Wrong is now considered right, and right is now considered wrong.” | “This is a difficult time for our country. Wrong is now considered right, and right is now considered wrong.” |
| But 2016 can be a turning-point. That’s why I’m running for president. | But 2016 can be a turning-point. That’s why I’m running for president. |
| 3.50am GMT | 3.50am GMT |
| 03:50 | 03:50 |
| Now Bush. | Now Bush. |
| “The next president is going to be confronted with an unforseen challenge ... the question for South Carolinians is: who do you want sitting behind the desk in the Oval Office.” | “The next president is going to be confronted with an unforseen challenge ... the question for South Carolinians is: who do you want sitting behind the desk in the Oval Office.” |
| 3.49am GMT | 3.49am GMT |
| 03:49 | 03:49 |
| Carson next. “This is the first generation expected not to do better than their parents. People say this is the new normal, but there’s nothing normal about it.” | Carson next. “This is the first generation expected not to do better than their parents. People say this is the new normal, but there’s nothing normal about it.” |
| Quotes Josef Stalin, which is probably a first, then says “we, the people, can stop that decline.” | Quotes Josef Stalin, which is probably a first, then says “we, the people, can stop that decline.” |
| Says, in answer to people who says he can’t win: “not only can we win, but we can turn this thing around.” | Says, in answer to people who says he can’t win: “not only can we win, but we can turn this thing around.” |
| 3.48am GMT | 3.48am GMT |
| 03:48 | 03:48 |
| Time for closing statements | Time for closing statements |
| Kasich first, with a strong, positive message. “Whoever gets elected here, hopefully we’ll solve the issue of wages ... but the spirit of America doesn’t come from the top down, the spirit of America rests in us.” | Kasich first, with a strong, positive message. “Whoever gets elected here, hopefully we’ll solve the issue of wages ... but the spirit of America doesn’t come from the top down, the spirit of America rests in us.” |
| 3.47am GMT | 3.47am GMT |
| 03:47 | 03:47 |
| Sent out during the debate, a Bush campaign email is slamming Trump for low-quality products: | Sent out during the debate, a Bush campaign email is slamming Trump for low-quality products: |
| Bush campaign email attacks Trump for selling gross vodka, weird-smelling perfume, and uncomfortable mattresses. pic.twitter.com/pRVFU9Ts7x | Bush campaign email attacks Trump for selling gross vodka, weird-smelling perfume, and uncomfortable mattresses. pic.twitter.com/pRVFU9Ts7x |
| 3.45am GMT | 3.45am GMT |
| 03:45 | 03:45 |
| Final break Twitter roundup: | Final break Twitter roundup: |
| pic.twitter.com/4gBA4nrXwa | pic.twitter.com/4gBA4nrXwa |
| Were they cheering because they LIKED Trump's profanity or because they don't? | Were they cheering because they LIKED Trump's profanity or because they don't? |
| "I was a very good student at a great school." -- Donald Trump | "I was a very good student at a great school." -- Donald Trump |
| trump: my wife often tells me i am wrongmoderator: about what?trump: listen i don't need to be here okay | trump: my wife often tells me i am wrongmoderator: about what?trump: listen i don't need to be here okay |
| Trump always interrupts, but no one ever interrupts him | Trump always interrupts, but no one ever interrupts him |
| I'm becoming partial to the theory that Trump is only running so he can attack Jeb Bush. #GOPDebate | I'm becoming partial to the theory that Trump is only running so he can attack Jeb Bush. #GOPDebate |
| 3.42am GMT | 3.42am GMT |
| 03:42 | 03:42 |
| Rubio is asked if he can talk to any previous president, who would it be and what question would he ask. | Rubio is asked if he can talk to any previous president, who would it be and what question would he ask. |
| Can you guess which president he chooses? | Can you guess which president he chooses? |
| Correct! Ronald Reagan. | Correct! Ronald Reagan. |
| Updated | Updated |
| at 3.42am GMT | at 3.42am GMT |
| 3.40am GMT | 3.40am GMT |
| 03:40 | 03:40 |
| James Pethokoukis | James Pethokoukis |
| So what would benefit Republicans more: an extended debate on how to a) increase work, b) raise living standards for low-income Americans and c) increase upward mobility; or that extended, unpleasant exchange between Cruz and Trump? | So what would benefit Republicans more: an extended debate on how to a) increase work, b) raise living standards for low-income Americans and c) increase upward mobility; or that extended, unpleasant exchange between Cruz and Trump? |
| What would benefit Republicans more: if voters next November knew their anti-poverty plans; or just that they would cut taxes deeply for the 0.1 percent? | What would benefit Republicans more: if voters next November knew their anti-poverty plans; or just that they would cut taxes deeply for the 0.1 percent? |
| And there are Republican anti-poverty plans, from higher-ed reform to increasing wage subsidies to reducing occupation licensing regulations – not that voters watching any of these debates would know about these plans. Rubio gave about 30 seconds on his anti-poverty agenda, which may be it for the entirety of this debate for the entire field. | And there are Republican anti-poverty plans, from higher-ed reform to increasing wage subsidies to reducing occupation licensing regulations – not that voters watching any of these debates would know about these plans. Rubio gave about 30 seconds on his anti-poverty agenda, which may be it for the entirety of this debate for the entire field. |
| That’s too bad. | That’s too bad. |
| 3.40am GMT | 3.40am GMT |
| 03:40 | 03:40 |
| Donald Trump is asked if he’s ever told he’s wrong and listened. “Well my wife tells me I’m wrong,” he says. Then he pivots to attack Jeb Bush’s spending “of special interests’ money” in New Hampshire. “This is not going to make our country great again.” | Donald Trump is asked if he’s ever told he’s wrong and listened. “Well my wife tells me I’m wrong,” he says. Then he pivots to attack Jeb Bush’s spending “of special interests’ money” in New Hampshire. “This is not going to make our country great again.” |
| Jeb has taken a real pounding from Trump tonight. But he is not afforded an opportunity to respond; Dickerson asks Trump another question, about his use of profanity. He claims never to have said “the word” - but that “you bleeped it!” Promises not to do it again, though. | Jeb has taken a real pounding from Trump tonight. But he is not afforded an opportunity to respond; Dickerson asks Trump another question, about his use of profanity. He claims never to have said “the word” - but that “you bleeped it!” Promises not to do it again, though. |
| Now, we turn to Bush. “I gotta respond to this.” But Dickerson moves straight to a question, about Washington. “I think the dysfunction in Washington is very dangerous. We need someone who doesn’t disparage people, someone who doesn’t brag about having been bankrupt four times. | Now, we turn to Bush. “I gotta respond to this.” But Dickerson moves straight to a question, about Washington. “I think the dysfunction in Washington is very dangerous. We need someone who doesn’t disparage people, someone who doesn’t brag about having been bankrupt four times. |
| Trump interrupts again, a steamroller with a high-electricity haircut. | Trump interrupts again, a steamroller with a high-electricity haircut. |
| 3.36am GMT | 3.36am GMT |
| 03:36 | 03:36 |
| From our correspondent Ben Jacobs, on the scene: | From our correspondent Ben Jacobs, on the scene: |
| The media filing center really appreciates Ben Carson speaking because it gives us time to process what people who might be the nominee said | The media filing center really appreciates Ben Carson speaking because it gives us time to process what people who might be the nominee said |
| 3.36am GMT | 3.36am GMT |
| 03:36 | 03:36 |
| Jeb Lund | Jeb Lund |
| This debate is like that playground game in which people blindfold you and spin you around, then whip the blindfold off and see if you can walk somewhere. Only it’s on a moving platform, and the person who is “it” is wearing a mask pumping nitrous oxide. | This debate is like that playground game in which people blindfold you and spin you around, then whip the blindfold off and see if you can walk somewhere. Only it’s on a moving platform, and the person who is “it” is wearing a mask pumping nitrous oxide. |
| Anybody who can tell you who won or what just happened or even remember the order of things is lying: this is a mess. It’s a glorious, totally engrossing, chaotic mess, but it’s still a mess. | Anybody who can tell you who won or what just happened or even remember the order of things is lying: this is a mess. It’s a glorious, totally engrossing, chaotic mess, but it’s still a mess. |
| If you tried to footnote this thing, the job would be longer than the regular text of a David Foster Wallace book. People are just saying damn near anything that pops into their minds. | If you tried to footnote this thing, the job would be longer than the regular text of a David Foster Wallace book. People are just saying damn near anything that pops into their minds. |
| This isn’t post-truth politics, it’s post-restraint politics. Phineas Gage was more composed than this, and the man had a three-foot iron rod driven through his forebrain. | This isn’t post-truth politics, it’s post-restraint politics. Phineas Gage was more composed than this, and the man had a three-foot iron rod driven through his forebrain. |
| 3.34am GMT | 3.34am GMT |
| 03:34 | 03:34 |
| The best way to get control of the debate is to ask Ben Carson a question. | The best way to get control of the debate is to ask Ben Carson a question. |
| 3.34am GMT | 3.34am GMT |
| 03:34 | 03:34 |
| Things got pretty heated just then, before Ben Carson started talking. | Things got pretty heated just then, before Ben Carson started talking. |
| Trump hammering Cruz for lying and saying anything to get elected. Rubio standing back and enjoying the show. | Trump hammering Cruz for lying and saying anything to get elected. Rubio standing back and enjoying the show. |
| Keeping track at home: Jeb vs Trump, Kasich vs. Bush, Cruz vs Rubio, Jeb vs Trump (again!), Cruz vs Trump, Carson vs. consciousness | Keeping track at home: Jeb vs Trump, Kasich vs. Bush, Cruz vs Rubio, Jeb vs Trump (again!), Cruz vs Trump, Carson vs. consciousness |
| 3.32am GMT | 3.32am GMT |
| 03:32 | 03:32 |
| “I wanted to look under the hood of the engine of what’s going on in Washington,” says Carson, unprompted, “and I was scared and wanted to run away, but I didn’t.” | “I wanted to look under the hood of the engine of what’s going on in Washington,” says Carson, unprompted, “and I was scared and wanted to run away, but I didn’t.” |
| 3.29am GMT | 3.29am GMT |
| 03:29 | 03:29 |
| “Flexibility is a good thing,” says Cruz. “But you shouldn’t be flexible on core principles.” He says he likes Trump, but points out that the real-estate mogul supports Planned Parenthood. | “Flexibility is a good thing,” says Cruz. “But you shouldn’t be flexible on core principles.” He says he likes Trump, but points out that the real-estate mogul supports Planned Parenthood. |
| Trump, rattled, gets mean: “you are the single biggest liar - you’re probably a bigger liar than Jeb Bush.” | Trump, rattled, gets mean: “you are the single biggest liar - you’re probably a bigger liar than Jeb Bush.” |
| “This guy will say anything. Nasty guy.” | “This guy will say anything. Nasty guy.” |
| Cruz says “Just notice: Donald didn’t disagree with the substance that he supports public funding for Planned Parenthood.” | Cruz says “Just notice: Donald didn’t disagree with the substance that he supports public funding for Planned Parenthood.” |
| “Where did I support it, Ted?” shouts Trump. Cruz says he said Trump said - deep breath - that Trump said Planned Parenthood does wonderful things. “It does do wonderful things, just not on abortion,” Trump says, actually rather bravely in this arena. | “Where did I support it, Ted?” shouts Trump. Cruz says he said Trump said - deep breath - that Trump said Planned Parenthood does wonderful things. “It does do wonderful things, just not on abortion,” Trump says, actually rather bravely in this arena. |
| “My name was mentioned twice,” Ben Carson says, quietly. Everyone ignores him. | “My name was mentioned twice,” Ben Carson says, quietly. Everyone ignores him. |
| 3.27am GMT | 3.27am GMT |
| 03:27 | 03:27 |
| James Pethokoukis | James Pethokoukis |
| I had been wondering if Trump would mention the gut-punch viral video of air conditioner manufacturer laying off some 1400 workers as they moved production facilities to Monterrey, Mexico. | I had been wondering if Trump would mention the gut-punch viral video of air conditioner manufacturer laying off some 1400 workers as they moved production facilities to Monterrey, Mexico. |
| But the larger ramification of what Trump is proposing – taxing any manufacturing moved out of the United States – is that he would theoretically end the offshoring of US manufacturing . Of course, states like South Carolina are also the beneficiaries of other countries placing factories in the United States, particularly foreign automakers, and a trade war would almost certainly impact those facilities. | But the larger ramification of what Trump is proposing – taxing any manufacturing moved out of the United States – is that he would theoretically end the offshoring of US manufacturing . Of course, states like South Carolina are also the beneficiaries of other countries placing factories in the United States, particularly foreign automakers, and a trade war would almost certainly impact those facilities. |
| Voters in those states may understand the economics of trade a bit better than most. | Voters in those states may understand the economics of trade a bit better than most. |