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Labour and Plaid talks to continue after first minister deadlock Labour-Plaid first minister deadlock talks continue
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Talks are set to continue between the leaders of Labour and Plaid Cymru on Thursday after AMs failed to elect a first minister.Talks are set to continue between the leaders of Labour and Plaid Cymru on Thursday after AMs failed to elect a first minister.
The discussions between Carwyn Jones and Leanne Wood follow Wednesday's tied Senedd vote for the top job.The discussions between Carwyn Jones and Leanne Wood follow Wednesday's tied Senedd vote for the top job.
Meanwhile, Liberal Democrat AM Kirsty Williams has said she has not "done a deal" with Labour. Meanwhile Liberal Democrat AM Kirsty Williams has said she has not "done a deal" with Labour.
She was the only opposition AM to back Mr Jones in the vote, with UKIP and the Conservatives supporting Ms Wood. She was the only opposition member to back Mr Jones, with UKIP and the Tories joining Plaid to vote for Ms Wood.
Mr Jones had been expected to be reinstated as first minister of a minority government in the first Senedd session of the new assembly term.Mr Jones had been expected to be reinstated as first minister of a minority government in the first Senedd session of the new assembly term.
But that meeting had to be adjourned to a later date after AMs voted 29-29.But that meeting had to be adjourned to a later date after AMs voted 29-29.
Mr Jones and Ms Wood had already spoken prior to the tied vote. It is understood that there is nothing new being offered to Plaid Cymru, and it is not clear where and when any talks might take place on Thursday. Presiding officer Elin Jones of Plaid Cymru and her deputy - Labour's Ann Jones - did not vote.
Mr Jones and Ms Wood had already spoken prior to the tied vote, following Thursday's election which left Labour on 29 seats, one short of a majority.
It is understood that there is nothing new being offered to Plaid Cymru, and it is not clear where and when any talks might take place on Thursday.
Labour sources said Plaid was previously offered involvement in a formal process on the setting of the Welsh budget, as well as an opportunity to help design the legislative programme.Labour sources said Plaid was previously offered involvement in a formal process on the setting of the Welsh budget, as well as an opportunity to help design the legislative programme.
Plaid has said that Ms Wood had requested a week for further discussions at the meeting - an offer Plaid claimed was turned down by Labour. Plaid said Ms Wood had requested a week for further discussions at the meeting - an offer Plaid claimed was turned down by Labour.
Labour was left with 29 seats after the 5 May election, leaving the party needing opposition support if it will continue to govern. 'Not respectful'
Meanwhile the former Welsh Lib Dem leader Kirsty Williams told BBC's The Wales Report: "I have not done a deal with the Labour Party. My decision was based on the reality of the election result." Simon Thomas, Plaid AM, told BBC Radio Wales on Thursday that relationships between Plaid and Labour "are not at their best".
When asked about whether she had been offered a cabinet position by Labour, she added: "No, I met with Carwyn Jones, as I met with Leanne Wood and I've met with Andrew RT Davies, but the basis of my vote was not on the basis of any deal." "They started to go downhill just before the election when our co-operation with Labour was dismissed by a Labour minister as a cheap date", he told Good Morning Wales, referring to comments by former Rhondda AM Leighton Andrews that prompted Plaid AMs to oppose the Public Health Bill.
New vote next week? Mr Thomas said "simply turning up in the assembly and nominating Carwyn Jones without a word as to what sort of government he will be leading" was "simply not good enough and it is not respectful enough of all parties involved".
AMs are expected to meet again next week in order to repeat the first minister vote. Labour AM Alun Davies told the same programme that Plaid's move came out of the blue and that his party had the "right and mandate to govern".
But he added: "I accept completely that we need to be more open.
"We need to be transparent. We need to be inclusive. We have to reach out. That isn't in question."
'No deal'
On Wednesday, Labour accused Plaid of doing a deal with the Welsh Conservatives and UKIP - something which Plaid denied.On Wednesday, Labour accused Plaid of doing a deal with the Welsh Conservatives and UKIP - something which Plaid denied.
Plaid Cymru's Rhun ap Iorwerth said the assembly was "giving the signal... that this is an assembly without one party having a majority". But Tory AM Paul Davies told BBC Radio Cymru's Post Cyntaf programme that no deal had been made between the opposition parties before the vote to elect a first minister.
Alun Davies, Labour Blaenau Gwent AM, said: "People expected us to be given the right to form a government, and for the other parties to hold us to account on the way we perform in office." "What we wanted to show yesterday is that Labour doesn't have some divine right to govern.
The meeting did see Plaid Cymru's Elin Jones elected as the new presiding officer and Labour's Ann Jones as deputy presiding officer. "At the end of the day, Labour doesn't have a majority."
Mr Davies added: "There will be some interaction between the opposition parties in the coming days. I think the people of Wales will expect that. Then, we'll see what comes next after those discussions."
Meanwhile Liberal Democrat AM Kirsty Williams told BBC TV's The Wales Report: "I have not done a deal with the Labour Party. My decision was based on the reality of the election result."
When asked Labour had offered her a seat in the cabinet, she said: "No, I met with Carwyn Jones, as I met with Leanne Wood and I've met with Andrew RT Davies, but the basis of my vote was not on the basis of any deal."
AMs are expected to meet again next week in order to repeat the first minister vote.