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Labour-Plaid first minister deadlock talks continue Welsh First Minister: Two UKIP AMs to back Carwyn Jones
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Talks are set to continue between the leaders of Labour and Plaid Cymru on Thursday after AMs failed to elect a first minister. UKIP AMs Nathan Gill and Mark Reckless are preparing to back Carwyn Jones's bid to be re-elected first minister, BBC Wales understands.
The discussions between Carwyn Jones and Leanne Wood follow Wednesday's tied Senedd vote for the top job. There was deadlock in the Senedd as Mr Jones and Plaid Cymru leader Leanne Wood were tied 29-29, with Lib Dem Kirsty Williams siding with Labour.
Meanwhile Liberal Democrat AM Kirsty Williams has said she has not "done a deal" with Labour. The Conservatives and the seven UKIP AMs joined Plaid in backing Ms Wood.
She was the only opposition member to back Mr Jones, with UKIP and the Tories joining Plaid to vote for Ms Wood. Mr Gill, UKIP leader in Wales, lost a vote to lead the party's assembly group to Neil Hamilton on Tuesday.
Mr Jones had been expected to be reinstated as first minister of a minority government in the first Senedd session of the new assembly term.Mr Jones had been expected to be reinstated as first minister of a minority government in the first Senedd session of the new assembly term.
But the meeting had to be adjourned to a later date after AMs voted 29-29.But the meeting had to be adjourned to a later date after AMs voted 29-29.
Presiding officer Elin Jones of Plaid Cymru and her deputy - Labour's Ann Jones - did not vote.Presiding officer Elin Jones of Plaid Cymru and her deputy - Labour's Ann Jones - did not vote.
Mr Jones and Ms Wood had already spoken prior to the tied vote, following last Thursday's election which left Labour on 29 seats, one short of a majority.Mr Jones and Ms Wood had already spoken prior to the tied vote, following last Thursday's election which left Labour on 29 seats, one short of a majority.
It is understood there is nothing new being offered to Plaid Cymru, and it is not clear where and when any talks might take place.
Labour sources said Plaid was previously offered involvement in a formal process on the setting of the Welsh budget, as well as an opportunity to help design the legislative programme.Labour sources said Plaid was previously offered involvement in a formal process on the setting of the Welsh budget, as well as an opportunity to help design the legislative programme.
Plaid said Ms Wood had requested a week for further discussions at the meeting - an offer Plaid claimed was turned down by Labour.Plaid said Ms Wood had requested a week for further discussions at the meeting - an offer Plaid claimed was turned down by Labour.
'Not respectful''Not respectful'
Simon Thomas, Plaid AM, told BBC Radio Wales relationships between Plaid and Labour "are not at their best". Simon Thomas, Plaid AM, told BBC Radio Wales relationships between Plaid and Labour were "not at their best".
"They started to go downhill just before the election when our co-operation with Labour was dismissed by a Labour minister as a cheap date", he told the Good Morning Wales programme, referring to comments by former Rhondda AM Leighton Andrews that prompted Plaid AMs to oppose the Public Health Bill."They started to go downhill just before the election when our co-operation with Labour was dismissed by a Labour minister as a cheap date", he told the Good Morning Wales programme, referring to comments by former Rhondda AM Leighton Andrews that prompted Plaid AMs to oppose the Public Health Bill.
Mr Thomas said "simply turning up in the assembly and nominating Carwyn Jones without a word as to what sort of government he will be leading" was "simply not good enough and it is not respectful enough of all parties involved".Mr Thomas said "simply turning up in the assembly and nominating Carwyn Jones without a word as to what sort of government he will be leading" was "simply not good enough and it is not respectful enough of all parties involved".
Labour AM Alun Davies told the same programme that Plaid's move came out of the blue and that his party had the "right and mandate to govern".Labour AM Alun Davies told the same programme that Plaid's move came out of the blue and that his party had the "right and mandate to govern".
But he added: "I accept completely that we need to be more open.But he added: "I accept completely that we need to be more open.
"We need to be transparent. We need to be inclusive. We have to reach out. That isn't in question.""We need to be transparent. We need to be inclusive. We have to reach out. That isn't in question."
'No deal''No deal'
On Wednesday, Labour accused Plaid of doing a deal with the Welsh Conservatives and UKIP - something which Plaid denied.On Wednesday, Labour accused Plaid of doing a deal with the Welsh Conservatives and UKIP - something which Plaid denied.
But Tory AM Paul Davies told BBC Radio Cymru's Post Cyntaf programme that no deal had been made between the opposition parties before the vote to elect a first minister.But Tory AM Paul Davies told BBC Radio Cymru's Post Cyntaf programme that no deal had been made between the opposition parties before the vote to elect a first minister.
"What we wanted to show yesterday is that Labour doesn't have some divine right to govern."What we wanted to show yesterday is that Labour doesn't have some divine right to govern.
"At the end of the day, Labour doesn't have a majority.""At the end of the day, Labour doesn't have a majority."
Mr Davies added: "There will be some interaction between the opposition parties in the coming days. I think the people of Wales will expect that. Then, we'll see what comes next after those discussions."Mr Davies added: "There will be some interaction between the opposition parties in the coming days. I think the people of Wales will expect that. Then, we'll see what comes next after those discussions."
Meanwhile Liberal Democrat AM Kirsty Williams told BBC's The Wales Report: "I have not done a deal with the Labour Party. My decision was based on the reality of the election result."Meanwhile Liberal Democrat AM Kirsty Williams told BBC's The Wales Report: "I have not done a deal with the Labour Party. My decision was based on the reality of the election result."
When asked Labour had offered her a seat in the cabinet, she said: "No, I met with Carwyn Jones, as I met with Leanne Wood and I've met with Andrew RT Davies, but the basis of my vote was not on the basis of any deal."When asked Labour had offered her a seat in the cabinet, she said: "No, I met with Carwyn Jones, as I met with Leanne Wood and I've met with Andrew RT Davies, but the basis of my vote was not on the basis of any deal."
AMs are expected to meet again next week in order to repeat the first minister vote.AMs are expected to meet again next week in order to repeat the first minister vote.
Analysis by Nick Servini, BBC Wales political editor
Any idea that there could be a harmonious working relationship between Labour and Plaid over the next five years has been well and truly put to bed.
The damage to Labour is clear. On the first day of the assembly, it does not appear to be in control of the situation.
There is a difference between a minority government calling the shots and an administration being bounced around by the opposition parties.
If Labour can not put together a government when it wants to, the inevitable question is what that means for prospects for completing what it called the "decade of delivery" in the election campaign.
The danger for Plaid is also clear, and revolves around the question of how toxic the association with UKIP will be for the party.
Read more from Nick.