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EU referendum live: Cameron and Corbyn make case for Remain – separately EU referendum live: Cameron and Corbyn make case for Remain – separately
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9.20am BST
09:20
Patrick Minford, professor of applied economics at Cardiff Business School and co-chairman of Economists for Brexit, was on the Today programme with Alistair Darling. He said that if the UK left the EU, tariffs would be imposed on British goods being sold to the EU. But he claimed this would be worth it because the UK would no longer be obliged to impose EU-determined tariffs on the goods it buys from outside the EU.
Asked if tariffs would be imposed on British products being sold into EU markets, he replied:
There certainly would. And that is the whole point about leaving the EU. We face their external tariffs. But we don’t have to put all their external tariffs on the rest of the world. We trade freely with the rest of the world. And what happens is that our exporters now trade, as America does and as Japan does with the EU, facing their external tariffs. And we then get rid of the EU protectionism on all the stuff we buy from the rest of the world, which is an enormous benefit.
This is from Lucy Thomas, deputy director of Britain Stronger in Europe.
Patrick Minford #Brexit economist admits UK would face the EU's external tariffs - that means 10% on cars #StrongerIn #r4today
9.07am BST
09:07
Class, the leftwing, union-backed thinktank, has published a series of essays on the subject, Does the EU work for working class people?
Class is not taking a position on the EU referendum but its director, Faiza Shaheen said:
There is a class division on Brexit, with the working class largely in favour of the UK leaving the EU and those in highly paid in professions generally wanting to stay in. And yet the question of what material effects the EU has had upon working class people’s lives has been largely absent. It is imperative that these issues are debated so that working class people can make an informed decision when casting their vote.
8.57am BST
08:57
Alistair Darling, the former Labour chancellor, told the Today programme that he agreed with the GMB general secretary Tim Roache about the need for Labour to be more explicit about the benefits of immigration. Darling said:
I think that the GMB is quite right. There are many aspects of this referendum, protection of workers’ rights, protection of British industry.
But equally, in relation to immigration, it’s an issue that must be discussed. That’s why I’m asking why, if the Leave campaign say we should be like Norway or Switzerland, will they not then accept that part of the deal there is they have to accept free movement of people?
8.50am BST8.50am BST
08:5008:50
Liam Fox to warn green belt at risk from mass immigrationLiam Fox to warn green belt at risk from mass immigration
Andrew SparrowAndrew Sparrow
Good Morning. I’m Andrew Sparrow and I’m taking over from Claire.Good Morning. I’m Andrew Sparrow and I’m taking over from Claire.
Liam Fox, the Conservative former defence secretary, is giving a speech this morning at the Vote Leave HQ entitled “Memories of Green? The Cost of Uncontrolled Migration.”Liam Fox, the Conservative former defence secretary, is giving a speech this morning at the Vote Leave HQ entitled “Memories of Green? The Cost of Uncontrolled Migration.”
According to the excerpts sent out in advance, he will argue that mass migration is making it harder for young people to buy a home.According to the excerpts sent out in advance, he will argue that mass migration is making it harder for young people to buy a home.
Most new immigrants move into the private rented sector which has grown as the immigrant population has grown. Competition for rented accommodation obliges all those in the private rented sector to pay high rents which take a large share of income and makes saving to buy a home even harder.Most new immigrants move into the private rented sector which has grown as the immigrant population has grown. Competition for rented accommodation obliges all those in the private rented sector to pay high rents which take a large share of income and makes saving to buy a home even harder.
These resulting high rents and a shortage of housing make it much more difficult for young people to set up home on their own so they have to spend more time in house shares or with their parents.These resulting high rents and a shortage of housing make it much more difficult for young people to set up home on their own so they have to spend more time in house shares or with their parents.
And he will argue that the green belt is at risk too.And he will argue that the green belt is at risk too.
A constant unchecked flow of migration will inevitably result in more of our open spaces and natural greenery being turned over to housing.A constant unchecked flow of migration will inevitably result in more of our open spaces and natural greenery being turned over to housing.
8.24am BST8.24am BST
08:2408:24
Ukip MEP Roger Helmer adds a new dimension to the debate, pointing out that he and his fellow British MEPs would certainly be among any job casualties if the UK votes to leave the EU:Ukip MEP Roger Helmer adds a new dimension to the debate, pointing out that he and his fellow British MEPs would certainly be among any job casualties if the UK votes to leave the EU:
Osborne asks how many UK jobs will be lost on Brexit? Seventy-four, George. Including mine.Osborne asks how many UK jobs will be lost on Brexit? Seventy-four, George. Including mine.
8.08am BST8.08am BST
08:0808:08
Labour MP Mary Creagh has spoken on the Today programme about concerns that the party’s pro-EU message is not getting through to voters:Labour MP Mary Creagh has spoken on the Today programme about concerns that the party’s pro-EU message is not getting through to voters:
The danger is of leaders making a speech and thinking that everybody has heard it … We learned that lesson last year in the election campaign.The danger is of leaders making a speech and thinking that everybody has heard it … We learned that lesson last year in the election campaign.
I think we need to be treating this referendum as if it was a general election campaign and having everybody out on the doorstep.I think we need to be treating this referendum as if it was a general election campaign and having everybody out on the doorstep.
It’s important that we help people understand what this means for working people.It’s important that we help people understand what this means for working people.
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8.02am BST8.02am BST
08:0208:02
George Osborne and Alistair Darling – “the latest unlikely cross-party collaboration coordinated by the Stronger In campaign”, says Guardian political editor Heather Stewart – are sharing not only a platform but a letter to Vote Leave with a list of questions:George Osborne and Alistair Darling – “the latest unlikely cross-party collaboration coordinated by the Stronger In campaign”, says Guardian political editor Heather Stewart – are sharing not only a platform but a letter to Vote Leave with a list of questions:
What specific trading relationship will the UK have with the EU if we leave?What specific trading relationship will the UK have with the EU if we leave?
What guarantees do you have there will be no new tariffs imposed on goods traded between the UK and EU?What guarantees do you have there will be no new tariffs imposed on goods traded between the UK and EU?
British businesses currently benefit from trade deals with 53 countries as a result of EU membership. Why would you expect to negotiate exactly the same terms and how long would it take to conclude these 53 negotiations?British businesses currently benefit from trade deals with 53 countries as a result of EU membership. Why would you expect to negotiate exactly the same terms and how long would it take to conclude these 53 negotiations?
What public spending would you cut and which taxes would you raise to fill this black hole [caused by Brexit]?What public spending would you cut and which taxes would you raise to fill this black hole [caused by Brexit]?
Can you assure the British public there would be no job losses resulting from the uncertainty of a vote to leave?Can you assure the British public there would be no job losses resulting from the uncertainty of a vote to leave?
7.45am BST7.45am BST
07:4507:45
Today will be dominated by the party leaders, with Jeremy Corbyn striking first in a speech this morning.Today will be dominated by the party leaders, with Jeremy Corbyn striking first in a speech this morning.
With criticism from GMB general secretary Tim Roache that he needs to be “bolder and braver”, Corbyn is to set out why Labour is “overwhelmingly for staying in”.With criticism from GMB general secretary Tim Roache that he needs to be “bolder and braver”, Corbyn is to set out why Labour is “overwhelmingly for staying in”.
Labour's @MaryCreaghMP tells @BBCr4today "I've had emails from my constituents saying 'I'm a Labour voter but what's the Labour position?"Labour's @MaryCreaghMP tells @BBCr4today "I've had emails from my constituents saying 'I'm a Labour voter but what's the Labour position?"
And David Cameron remains the Conservative PM of choice for Labour shadow work and pensions secretary Owen Smith:And David Cameron remains the Conservative PM of choice for Labour shadow work and pensions secretary Owen Smith:
Owen Smith says he'd rather Cameron was PM than Boris, Patel or IDS. 'He's not the worst of the Tories' #r4todayOwen Smith says he'd rather Cameron was PM than Boris, Patel or IDS. 'He's not the worst of the Tories' #r4today
7.37am BST7.37am BST
07:3707:37
Michael Gove – who won’t get his head-to-head debate with David Cameron tonight, but will get his own Sky News Q&A tomorrow – argues today that as justice secretary he has been “powerless” to stop terror suspects entering Britain.Michael Gove – who won’t get his head-to-head debate with David Cameron tonight, but will get his own Sky News Q&A tomorrow – argues today that as justice secretary he has been “powerless” to stop terror suspects entering Britain.
The Telegraph reports that in an essay for Portland Communications (which doesn’t appear to be online yet), Gove says:The Telegraph reports that in an essay for Portland Communications (which doesn’t appear to be online yet), Gove says:
As justice secretary, I have experienced the frustration at our inability to refuse entry to those with a criminal record and even some who are suspected of terrorist links.As justice secretary, I have experienced the frustration at our inability to refuse entry to those with a criminal record and even some who are suspected of terrorist links.
According to the Telegraph:According to the Telegraph:
Gove also said that Mr Cameron’s campaign is ‘stoking up Project Fear’ and said they would be surprised by the prevailing ‘calm and stability’ and ‘sense of optimism’ in the event of a Brexit vote.Gove also said that Mr Cameron’s campaign is ‘stoking up Project Fear’ and said they would be surprised by the prevailing ‘calm and stability’ and ‘sense of optimism’ in the event of a Brexit vote.
That’s an early lead for those with “Project Fear” on their EU campaign bingo cards.That’s an early lead for those with “Project Fear” on their EU campaign bingo cards.
7.26am BST7.26am BST
07:2607:26
There’s more from Mariano Rajoy, the Spanish prime minister, who has warned that the consequences of the UK voting to leave the EU would be “very negative”.There’s more from Mariano Rajoy, the Spanish prime minister, who has warned that the consequences of the UK voting to leave the EU would be “very negative”.
Rajoy was speaking to Spanish news agency EFE; I’ve taken the quotes from Press Association.Rajoy was speaking to Spanish news agency EFE; I’ve taken the quotes from Press Association.
Rajoy said leaving the UK would be:Rajoy said leaving the UK would be:
negative for everybody, for the United Kingdom, for Spain, and for the European Union.negative for everybody, for the United Kingdom, for Spain, and for the European Union.
But, above all, it would be very negative for British citizens: the European Union is based, ever since its foundation, on the principles of freedom of movement of people, goods, services, and capitals.But, above all, it would be very negative for British citizens: the European Union is based, ever since its foundation, on the principles of freedom of movement of people, goods, services, and capitals.
Leaving the European Union would mean that British citizens would lose their right to move freely, work and do business within the largest economic area, the largest market in the world.Leaving the European Union would mean that British citizens would lose their right to move freely, work and do business within the largest economic area, the largest market in the world.
Over 100.000 Spanish citizens work and live in the United Kingdom. Over 400.000 British citizens work and live in Spain.Over 100.000 Spanish citizens work and live in the United Kingdom. Over 400.000 British citizens work and live in Spain.
If the United Kingdom left the European Union, it would be very negative for everyone and from every perspective.If the United Kingdom left the European Union, it would be very negative for everyone and from every perspective.
6.55am BST6.55am BST
06:5506:55
Morning briefingMorning briefing
Claire PhippsClaire Phipps
Good morning and welcome to day three of our daily EU referendum coverage. I’ll be launching the morning briefing to set you up for the day ahead and steering the live blog each morning until Andrew Sparrow takes his seat. Do come and chat in the comments below or find me on Twitter @Claire_Phipps.Good morning and welcome to day three of our daily EU referendum coverage. I’ll be launching the morning briefing to set you up for the day ahead and steering the live blog each morning until Andrew Sparrow takes his seat. Do come and chat in the comments below or find me on Twitter @Claire_Phipps.
The big pictureThe big picture
Today sees both David Cameron and Jeremy Corbyn wheeled out for big set pieces: the opposition leader makes a speech this morning on why Labour is “overwhelmingly for staying in” (a useful reminder for some supporters), while the prime minister hits Sky News this evening for an interview and Q&A.Today sees both David Cameron and Jeremy Corbyn wheeled out for big set pieces: the opposition leader makes a speech this morning on why Labour is “overwhelmingly for staying in” (a useful reminder for some supporters), while the prime minister hits Sky News this evening for an interview and Q&A.
Cameron will be fresh from a visit to the Rainham Marshes nature reserve in Essex, where he’ll say that the RSPB and WWF are backing Remain to protect UK wildlife. Expect wellies – as essential to any political campaign as a hard-hat and hi-vis jacket.Cameron will be fresh from a visit to the Rainham Marshes nature reserve in Essex, where he’ll say that the RSPB and WWF are backing Remain to protect UK wildlife. Expect wellies – as essential to any political campaign as a hard-hat and hi-vis jacket.
Corbyn, in a speech at the Institute of Engineering Technology this morning, will say that Brexit would be a “disaster” threatening the rights of British workers, such as paid holiday and maternity leave.Corbyn, in a speech at the Institute of Engineering Technology this morning, will say that Brexit would be a “disaster” threatening the rights of British workers, such as paid holiday and maternity leave.
He’ll also reiterate his opposition to sharing a platform with the prime minister (as London mayor Sadiq Khan did in Roehampton a few days ago) and other pro-Remain Tories, saying:He’ll also reiterate his opposition to sharing a platform with the prime minister (as London mayor Sadiq Khan did in Roehampton a few days ago) and other pro-Remain Tories, saying:
The threat to the British people is not the European Union – it is a Conservative government here in Britain, seeking to undermine the good things we have achieved in Europe and resisting changes that would benefit the ordinary people of Britain.The threat to the British people is not the European Union – it is a Conservative government here in Britain, seeking to undermine the good things we have achieved in Europe and resisting changes that would benefit the ordinary people of Britain.
A vote to leave means a Conservative government would then be in charge of negotiating Britain’s exit. Everything they have done as a government so far means we could not rely on them to protect the workplace rights that millions rely on.A vote to leave means a Conservative government would then be in charge of negotiating Britain’s exit. Everything they have done as a government so far means we could not rely on them to protect the workplace rights that millions rely on.
Tim Roache, general secretary of the GMB a Corbyn backer, told the Guardian the Labour leader was being “mealy mouthed” about the referendum and needed to be “bolder and braver” on the immigration issue:Tim Roache, general secretary of the GMB a Corbyn backer, told the Guardian the Labour leader was being “mealy mouthed” about the referendum and needed to be “bolder and braver” on the immigration issue:
These people don’t come here to sit on their backsides and claim benefits, they come here to work … It’s all right when people’s children are being taught by economic migrants, or when people’s parents are being looked after in hospital by economic migrants.These people don’t come here to sit on their backsides and claim benefits, they come here to work … It’s all right when people’s children are being taught by economic migrants, or when people’s parents are being looked after in hospital by economic migrants.
Spain’s prime minister, Mariano Rajoy, is the latest European leader to weigh in, hot on the heels of the intervention by Mark Rutte, the Dutch prime minister, on Wednesday. Rajoy said Brexit would beSpain’s prime minister, Mariano Rajoy, is the latest European leader to weigh in, hot on the heels of the intervention by Mark Rutte, the Dutch prime minister, on Wednesday. Rajoy said Brexit would be
negative for everybody, for the United Kingdom, for Spain, and for the European Union …negative for everybody, for the United Kingdom, for Spain, and for the European Union …
Over 100,000 Spanish citizens work and live in the United Kingdom. Over 400,000 British citizens work and live in Spain. If the United Kingdom left the European Union, it would be very negative for everyone and from every perspective.Over 100,000 Spanish citizens work and live in the United Kingdom. Over 400,000 British citizens work and live in Spain. If the United Kingdom left the European Union, it would be very negative for everyone and from every perspective.
You should also know:You should also know:
Poll positionPoll position
Sky News, hosting tonight’s questioning of Cameron, reports it has been shown internal polling by Vote Leave and ICM in which:Sky News, hosting tonight’s questioning of Cameron, reports it has been shown internal polling by Vote Leave and ICM in which:
All of which might be a hint about the line of questioning to expect this evening.All of which might be a hint about the line of questioning to expect this evening.
Separately, this by YouGov’s Anthony Wells on why there won’t be official exit polls on referendum day – and why those private polls reportedly commissioned by hedge funds might not be of much use – is an interesting read.Separately, this by YouGov’s Anthony Wells on why there won’t be official exit polls on referendum day – and why those private polls reportedly commissioned by hedge funds might not be of much use – is an interesting read.
DiaryDiary
Talking pointTalking point
Cameron’s refusal to face his Tory opponents means tonight’s Sky News Q&A isn’t the only stretched-out debate to be coming to our screens. A full 24 hours will separate the prime minister’s appearance tonight from the snappy comebacks of Out campaigner – and Conservative Cabinet minister – Michael Gove.Cameron’s refusal to face his Tory opponents means tonight’s Sky News Q&A isn’t the only stretched-out debate to be coming to our screens. A full 24 hours will separate the prime minister’s appearance tonight from the snappy comebacks of Out campaigner – and Conservative Cabinet minister – Michael Gove.
Nigel Farage will make it on to the same programme as Cameron on 7 June for ITV’s “debate”, but the two men won’t appear on-screen together. And two BBC Question Time specials – again featuring Cameron and Gove – are four days apart.Nigel Farage will make it on to the same programme as Cameron on 7 June for ITV’s “debate”, but the two men won’t appear on-screen together. And two BBC Question Time specials – again featuring Cameron and Gove – are four days apart.
(Do read Jane Martinson on the shenanigans behind the TV non-debates.)(Do read Jane Martinson on the shenanigans behind the TV non-debates.)
It all comes as Boris Johnson – fresh from setting out a post-Brexit immigration policy – insisted he was “not forming an alternative government”, despite the fact the policy was set out by Johnson (along with Gove and Priti Patel) as a pledge rather than merely an option for whoever might find themselves as prime minister after 23 June.It all comes as Boris Johnson – fresh from setting out a post-Brexit immigration policy – insisted he was “not forming an alternative government”, despite the fact the policy was set out by Johnson (along with Gove and Priti Patel) as a pledge rather than merely an option for whoever might find themselves as prime minister after 23 June.
George Eaton in the New Statesman argues that some in the Brexit camp certainly view the referendum as a chance to oust Cameron – but also claims a number of MPs “had informed the chief whip that they would resign the Conservative whip if Gove was made deputy prime minister”.George Eaton in the New Statesman argues that some in the Brexit camp certainly view the referendum as a chance to oust Cameron – but also claims a number of MPs “had informed the chief whip that they would resign the Conservative whip if Gove was made deputy prime minister”.
Read theseRead these
Juliet Samuel in the Telegraph asks why the Brexiteers want to copy the Australian points system for immigrants:Juliet Samuel in the Telegraph asks why the Brexiteers want to copy the Australian points system for immigrants:
A statement released by the Brexit campaign suggested repeatedly that immigration would be lower if we left the EU and adopted such a system, reducing the strain on hospitals, schools and workers who face intense competition for jobs from migrants. There is no guarantee of that …A statement released by the Brexit campaign suggested repeatedly that immigration would be lower if we left the EU and adopted such a system, reducing the strain on hospitals, schools and workers who face intense competition for jobs from migrants. There is no guarantee of that …
But more important … is the principle at the centre of Australia’s system: they decide how it works. And for all the details of the policy, which the Brexiteers did not include in their statement, it boils down to one thing: our immigration policy would be decided here and not abroad. So if the British public wants a more restrictive immigration policy, it will be able to vote for a government that can deliver one. That is not possible at the moment.But more important … is the principle at the centre of Australia’s system: they decide how it works. And for all the details of the policy, which the Brexiteers did not include in their statement, it boils down to one thing: our immigration policy would be decided here and not abroad. So if the British public wants a more restrictive immigration policy, it will be able to vote for a government that can deliver one. That is not possible at the moment.
Latika Bourke, writing in the Sydney Morning Herald, says the proposals could also make it easier for Australians to move to the UK, according to Conservative MEP and Leave campaigner Daniel Hannan:Latika Bourke, writing in the Sydney Morning Herald, says the proposals could also make it easier for Australians to move to the UK, according to Conservative MEP and Leave campaigner Daniel Hannan:
People with Australian passports are kicked out at the expiry of two years, or less now if they don’t earn enough money in order to free up unlimited space for people who may have no connection to this country whatsoever,’ Mr Hannan told Fairfax Media after a public rally in Hammersmith.People with Australian passports are kicked out at the expiry of two years, or less now if they don’t earn enough money in order to free up unlimited space for people who may have no connection to this country whatsoever,’ Mr Hannan told Fairfax Media after a public rally in Hammersmith.
‘I think that’s immoral, I also think it makes no economic sense,’ he said.‘I think that’s immoral, I also think it makes no economic sense,’ he said.
(This also contains the interesting nugget that there are approximately 87,000 Australians living in the UK eligible to vote in the referendum.)(This also contains the interesting nugget that there are approximately 87,000 Australians living in the UK eligible to vote in the referendum.)
Steven Erlanger in the New York Times says the referendum is “becoming as divisive and nasty as the one in Scotland” and talks to Douglas Alexander, the former Labour MP ousted in the 2015 general election, and now a campaigner for Remain:Steven Erlanger in the New York Times says the referendum is “becoming as divisive and nasty as the one in Scotland” and talks to Douglas Alexander, the former Labour MP ousted in the 2015 general election, and now a campaigner for Remain:
First, [Alexander] said, ‘psychology matters more than psephology’ – ignore the polls, at least until the very end. Both telephone and internet polls are flawed when assessing support for referendums, because they are so rare, and what matters will be ‘the overriding question in people’s minds as they vote’.First, [Alexander] said, ‘psychology matters more than psephology’ – ignore the polls, at least until the very end. Both telephone and internet polls are flawed when assessing support for referendums, because they are so rare, and what matters will be ‘the overriding question in people’s minds as they vote’.
So it will be vital to manage the news cycle in the last 10 days, to shape the anxieties and aspirations of voters. In Scotland, opponents of independence focused on the economic risks and the inability of the ‘yes’ side to answer crucial questions about currency and the sustainability of the oil-based economy.So it will be vital to manage the news cycle in the last 10 days, to shape the anxieties and aspirations of voters. In Scotland, opponents of independence focused on the economic risks and the inability of the ‘yes’ side to answer crucial questions about currency and the sustainability of the oil-based economy.
Now, both sides are pushing fear.Now, both sides are pushing fear.
On the issue of the nastiness or otherwise of the current debate, Wednesday’s Opinion live blog with readers is an illuminating guide.On the issue of the nastiness or otherwise of the current debate, Wednesday’s Opinion live blog with readers is an illuminating guide.
Baffling claim of the dayBaffling claim of the day
The Daily Mail says Google has been “accused of burying results for [a] popular pro-Brexit website” in the little-traversed wilderness of the second page of search results. The site – EUReferendum.com – has been demoted, according to founder Richard North, and now comes behind such little-known sources as the BBC, Telegraph and the Guardian, as well as government information sites, in searches for “EU referendum”.The Daily Mail says Google has been “accused of burying results for [a] popular pro-Brexit website” in the little-traversed wilderness of the second page of search results. The site – EUReferendum.com – has been demoted, according to founder Richard North, and now comes behind such little-known sources as the BBC, Telegraph and the Guardian, as well as government information sites, in searches for “EU referendum”.
Celebrity endorsement of the dayCelebrity endorsement of the day
A cavalcade of European cultural figures – including novelist Elena Ferrante, actors Julie Delpy, Isabella Rossellini and Stellan Skarsgård, illustrator Axel Scheffler (who also drew the cover art), singers Nana Mouskouri and Björn Ulvaeus, and, um, footballs managers Arsène Wenger and Gérard Houllier – have written to the Times Literary Supplement asking Britain to “please stay”:A cavalcade of European cultural figures – including novelist Elena Ferrante, actors Julie Delpy, Isabella Rossellini and Stellan Skarsgård, illustrator Axel Scheffler (who also drew the cover art), singers Nana Mouskouri and Björn Ulvaeus, and, um, footballs managers Arsène Wenger and Gérard Houllier – have written to the Times Literary Supplement asking Britain to “please stay”:
We would like to express how very much we value having the United Kingdom in the European Union. It is not just treaties that join us to your country, but bonds of admiration and affection. All of us hope that you will vote to renew them. Britain, please stay.We would like to express how very much we value having the United Kingdom in the European Union. It is not just treaties that join us to your country, but bonds of admiration and affection. All of us hope that you will vote to renew them. Britain, please stay.
The day in a tweetThe day in a tweet
3 weeks still to go. God. Many complained vehemently that a mere 7 weeks of referendum campaigning after May elections was rudely short.3 weeks still to go. God. Many complained vehemently that a mere 7 weeks of referendum campaigning after May elections was rudely short.
If today were a song ...If today were a song ...
It would be Don’t Stand So Close to Me. Sung by the Police. But also by David Cameron to Michael Gove. And Jeremy Corbyn to David Cameron. And pretty much everyone to Nigel Farage.It would be Don’t Stand So Close to Me. Sung by the Police. But also by David Cameron to Michael Gove. And Jeremy Corbyn to David Cameron. And pretty much everyone to Nigel Farage.
And another thingAnd another thing
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