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| Vice-presidential debate live: Mike Pence and Tim Kaine to face off | |
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| Fabulous people attend vice-presidential debate | |
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| Welcome to our live debate coverage | |
| If you’re just joining us – welcome to our live-wire coverage of the first and only vice-presidential debate of the 2016 presidential election. This is one-night-only, folks – and we’re thrilled to be sharing it with you. | |
| Democratic vice presidential nominee Tim Kaine will face Republican nominee Mike Pence onstage at Longwood University in Farmville, Virginia, starting in just a few moments now, at 9pm ET. Elaine Quijano of CBS News will be moderating. | |
| For neither man is this a first trip to the rodeo. Both Kaine, a senator from Virginia, and Pence, the governor of Indiana, have experience running for elected office going back to the 1990s, and both men have had previous national exposure. | |
| Pence was a member of the Republican congressional leadership from 2009-2011 and Kaine, the governor of Virginia during the 2007 Virginia Tech shooting, campaigned widely for Barack Obama in 2008 and was on a short-short list to be Obama’s running mate. | |
| Vice-presidential debates have a reputation for not mattering much when it comes to election outcomes, with voters focused on the top of the ticket. To which we say: bosh. There’s no telling what will happen once the lights go up, and even if it turns out not to be a decisive night, none can attest that vice-presidential debates aren’t bound to be fun – just ask Dan Quayle. | |
| The most famous question in vice presidential debate history ---> https://t.co/gFI7U7Mh63 | |
| If the candidates decide to turn on each other, instead of the tops-of-ticket, Kaine might attack Pence for a history of benighted statements and legislation on women’s equality, homosexuality and same-sex marriage, while Pence might echo a Republican ad attacking Kaine for legal defense work on behalf of violent criminals. | |
| Or, they might just fight about good old Donald and Hillary. Either way, we’re glad you joined us, thanks for reading – and please join us in the comments. | |
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| Trump spokesman Jason Miller says that Trump’s campaign CEO, his spokeswoman, a key campaign surrogate and the digital media director will all be present as the candidate live tweets. | |
| Aides present tonight as Trump live tweets, per Jason Miller:Steve BannonHope HicksStephen MillerDan Scavino | |
| How are they going to do this, a tweet occurs to Trump, he writes it and then passes it around for everyone to edit? Hope he got a suite! | |
| I will be live-tweeting the V.P. Debate. Very exciting! MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! | |
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| Donald Trump is watching the debate, his tracking pool of reporters says, from inside the Trump hotel in the Las Vegas strip. | |
| Judging from his Twitter feed, the Republican presidential nominee is in position. Did he order room service? He’s been torturing himself with CNN, by the sounds of it. Change the channel already! | |
| Wow, @CNN is so negative. Their panel is a joke, biased and very dumb. I'm turning to @FoxNews where we get a fair shake! Mike will do great | |
| Wonder if we have a picture of that hotel in our system? Let’s see – yes. | |
| Turns out it’s a gaudy gold middle finger directed at laborers and culinary workers, according to a protest outside the hotel two weeks ago. | |
| Here’s a picture of Laborers’ International Union of North America members and Culinary Union members protesting what they say is an anti-union stance by the hotel, on 21 September: | |
| You know you could always just watch the baseball game . . . https://t.co/zTyG93aYiB | |
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| Mike Pence hosted a conservative talk show for five years in the 1990s after two failed congressional bids. (He went on to become a six-term congressman and a member of the Republican leadership.) | Mike Pence hosted a conservative talk show for five years in the 1990s after two failed congressional bids. (He went on to become a six-term congressman and a member of the Republican leadership.) |
| On YouTube you can find footage of the final three minutes of Pence’s show. Trigger warning: it’s nuclear-grade patriotic and pretty sappy: “When those planes fly over speedway Indiana, there’ll be a little bit of mist in this American’s eyes, cause you got the job done.” | On YouTube you can find footage of the final three minutes of Pence’s show. Trigger warning: it’s nuclear-grade patriotic and pretty sappy: “When those planes fly over speedway Indiana, there’ll be a little bit of mist in this American’s eyes, cause you got the job done.” |
| When Tim Kaine gets around a microphone, meanwhile, a different kind of patriotism spills forth – the kind you blow through a harmonica on the Robert Johnson tune Travelling Riverside Blues: | When Tim Kaine gets around a microphone, meanwhile, a different kind of patriotism spills forth – the kind you blow through a harmonica on the Robert Johnson tune Travelling Riverside Blues: |
| Let’s have an audience quiz: Who played it better? Tim Kaine – or Led Zeppelin? | Let’s have an audience quiz: Who played it better? Tim Kaine – or Led Zeppelin? |
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| Clinton: ‘Go get ’em, Tim’ | Clinton: ‘Go get ’em, Tim’ |
| .@TimKaine's spent his whole life fighting for working families, so I have no doubt he'll do the same tonight. Go get 'em, Tim. -H | .@TimKaine's spent his whole life fighting for working families, so I have no doubt he'll do the same tonight. Go get 'em, Tim. -H |
| And you know what, frankly? If he screws up, the Democrats can just... | And you know what, frankly? If he screws up, the Democrats can just... |
| (NB: this is not just a gratuitous Elvis Costello song embed in the blog. Kaine’s former body man told Politico in July that whenever Kaine was getting beat up in politics he would joke that Blame it on Cain was his favorite song, and then he’d play the song.) | (NB: this is not just a gratuitous Elvis Costello song embed in the blog. Kaine’s former body man told Politico in July that whenever Kaine was getting beat up in politics he would joke that Blame it on Cain was his favorite song, and then he’d play the song.) |
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| GOP announces Pence won debate | GOP announces Pence won debate |
| While you’re shooting pool, the national Republican party is playing three-dimensional chess. | While you’re shooting pool, the national Republican party is playing three-dimensional chess. |
| For example, tonight they have already released statements declaring Mike Pence the winner of the debate and Hillary Clinton the loser. | For example, tonight they have already released statements declaring Mike Pence the winner of the debate and Hillary Clinton the loser. |
| (The debate hasn’t happened yet.) | (The debate hasn’t happened yet.) |
| This seems a smidge premature. (v @becket) pic.twitter.com/wWGpawNyb0 | This seems a smidge premature. (v @becket) pic.twitter.com/wWGpawNyb0 |
| Update: | Update: |
| The GOP has replaced its premature "Mike Pence won and Tim Kaine is lame!" post with this error message: pic.twitter.com/G3BFJCudFb | The GOP has replaced its premature "Mike Pence won and Tim Kaine is lame!" post with this error message: pic.twitter.com/G3BFJCudFb |
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| Clinton camp: we're preparing for a better prepared Trump | Clinton camp: we're preparing for a better prepared Trump |
| Clinton campaign manager Robby Mook tells reporters before tonight’s debate that the campaign expects Trump to be better prepared next time around (even without, apparently, Nigel Farage’s help). | Clinton campaign manager Robby Mook tells reporters before tonight’s debate that the campaign expects Trump to be better prepared next time around (even without, apparently, Nigel Farage’s help). |
| Mook refers to two hours of videos of a Trump deposition in a lawsuit against a restaurateur that was released last week. In the deposition Trump is indeed poised. | Mook refers to two hours of videos of a Trump deposition in a lawsuit against a restaurateur that was released last week. In the deposition Trump is indeed poised. |
| Clinton manager Robby Mook, before VP debate: 'We are expecting [Donald Trump] to be better prepared for the next debate.' | Clinton manager Robby Mook, before VP debate: 'We are expecting [Donald Trump] to be better prepared for the next debate.' |
| Mook: 'We all saw those deposition tapes. We know that there is a calm, cool & collected Donald Trump that can show up, and we expect that.' | Mook: 'We all saw those deposition tapes. We know that there is a calm, cool & collected Donald Trump that can show up, and we expect that.' |
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| Meet the moderator: Elaine Quijano | Meet the moderator: Elaine Quijano |
| A veteran of the White House, Pentagon and supreme court beats and a former CNN talent, Elaine Quijano anchors politics coverage on CBSN, the live-streaming digital version of CBS News. | A veteran of the White House, Pentagon and supreme court beats and a former CNN talent, Elaine Quijano anchors politics coverage on CBSN, the live-streaming digital version of CBS News. |
| She grew up in a Chicago suburb, majored in engineering and “lucked into a broadcast journalism career”, she tells an interviewer in the Filipinas Magazine clip below: | She grew up in a Chicago suburb, majored in engineering and “lucked into a broadcast journalism career”, she tells an interviewer in the Filipinas Magazine clip below: |
| If Quijano can’t make it, there’s a backup: CSPAN’s Steve Scully, who has been hailed by comedian John Oliver as the most patient man on television: | If Quijano can’t make it, there’s a backup: CSPAN’s Steve Scully, who has been hailed by comedian John Oliver as the most patient man on television: |
| Politico’s Hadas Gold has spoken with Scully about his preparations for the big night: | Politico’s Hadas Gold has spoken with Scully about his preparations for the big night: |
| While covering the debates like the hundreds of other journalists who descend upon the four universities hosting the debates, Scully has also done the work to prepare his own separate sets of questions for every debate, as though he will be the moderator. That’s because he could end up being one. | While covering the debates like the hundreds of other journalists who descend upon the four universities hosting the debates, Scully has also done the work to prepare his own separate sets of questions for every debate, as though he will be the moderator. That’s because he could end up being one. |
| “I have the file with me,” Scully said ahead of the debate at Hofstra University last week. “If they call me at 8:59 p.m. I’m ready to go, and if they do in the next three debates I’m ready to go as well.” | “I have the file with me,” Scully said ahead of the debate at Hofstra University last week. “If they call me at 8:59 p.m. I’m ready to go, and if they do in the next three debates I’m ready to go as well.” |
| Read the full piece here. (thx @bencjacobs) | Read the full piece here. (thx @bencjacobs) |
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| Bill Clinton: 'don't lock him up. Vote' | Bill Clinton: 'don't lock him up. Vote' |
| The potential future first gentleman modifies a Barack Obama line – “don’t boo. Vote!” – to stop a crowd in Ohio from chanting “Lock Him Up” – a line in turn borrowed from Trump supporters who enjoy saying “Lock Her Up” about Hillary Clinton. | The potential future first gentleman modifies a Barack Obama line – “don’t boo. Vote!” – to stop a crowd in Ohio from chanting “Lock Him Up” – a line in turn borrowed from Trump supporters who enjoy saying “Lock Her Up” about Hillary Clinton. |
| Not calling for the imprisonment of one’s patently criminal opponent: this qualifies as high-level political discourse: | Not calling for the imprisonment of one’s patently criminal opponent: this qualifies as high-level political discourse: |
| Bill Clinton admonished audience member who says Trump should be "locked up""We don't do that," says WJC. "Don't lock him up. Vote." | Bill Clinton admonished audience member who says Trump should be "locked up""We don't do that," says WJC. "Don't lock him up. Vote." |
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| Trump say's he'll live-tweet the debate | Trump say's he'll live-tweet the debate |
| Trump, having just spoken in Arizona, is flying to Las Vegas to stay at a hotel and watch the debate, the pool of reporters covering his campaign says. | Trump, having just spoken in Arizona, is flying to Las Vegas to stay at a hotel and watch the debate, the pool of reporters covering his campaign says. |
| Trump has promised to live-tweet the debate: | Trump has promised to live-tweet the debate: |
| I will be watching the great Governor @Mike_Pence and live tweeting the VP debate tonight starting at 8:30pm est! Enjoy! | I will be watching the great Governor @Mike_Pence and live tweeting the VP debate tonight starting at 8:30pm est! Enjoy! |
| HOWEVER, we’d remind our readers that the last time Trump promised to live-tweet a debate, it was a kind of lame six-tweet dribble. | HOWEVER, we’d remind our readers that the last time Trump promised to live-tweet a debate, it was a kind of lame six-tweet dribble. |
| On the eve of a five-way Democratic debate on 13 October 2015, Trump tweeted: | On the eve of a five-way Democratic debate on 13 October 2015, Trump tweeted: |
| At the request of many, and even though I expect it to be a very boring two hours, I will be covering the Democrat Debate live on twitter! | At the request of many, and even though I expect it to be a very boring two hours, I will be covering the Democrat Debate live on twitter! |
| Here was Trump’s electrifying commentary: | Here was Trump’s electrifying commentary: |
| Should be interesting but too bad the three guys at《1% will be taking up so much time - but who knows, maybe a star will be born (unlikely) | Should be interesting but too bad the three guys at《1% will be taking up so much time - but who knows, maybe a star will be born (unlikely) |
| "@StreckerJosh: The Hillary love fest on CNN is ridiculous. I feel bad for the other candidates...especially the non-criminal ones." | "@StreckerJosh: The Hillary love fest on CNN is ridiculous. I feel bad for the other candidates...especially the non-criminal ones." |
| We will all have fun and hopefully learn something tonight. I will shoot straight and call it as I see it, both the good and the bad. Enjoy! | We will all have fun and hopefully learn something tonight. I will shoot straight and call it as I see it, both the good and the bad. Enjoy! |
| Can anyone imagine Chafee as president? No way. | Can anyone imagine Chafee as president? No way. |
| O'Malley, as former Mayor of Baltimore, has very little chance. | O'Malley, as former Mayor of Baltimore, has very little chance. |
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| From Lloyd Bentsen’s “Senator, you’re no Jack Kennedy” to Geraldine Ferraro’s “I almost resent, vice president Bush, your patronizing attitude” to Sarah Palin’s “Say it ain’t so, Joe” – USA Today has a medley of top moments from previous vice presidential debates (click through if video player below is not working for you): | From Lloyd Bentsen’s “Senator, you’re no Jack Kennedy” to Geraldine Ferraro’s “I almost resent, vice president Bush, your patronizing attitude” to Sarah Palin’s “Say it ain’t so, Joe” – USA Today has a medley of top moments from previous vice presidential debates (click through if video player below is not working for you): |
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| Michelle Obama: 'Clinton is tough' | Michelle Obama: 'Clinton is tough' |
| Michelle Obama campaigned for Clinton in Charlotte, North Carolina, today. | Michelle Obama campaigned for Clinton in Charlotte, North Carolina, today. |
| There’s a striking moment when the first lady is talking about Clinton’s resilience and taps her microphone in apparent reference to Trump’s blaming his lost debate Monday on a microphone malfunction: | There’s a striking moment when the first lady is talking about Clinton’s resilience and taps her microphone in apparent reference to Trump’s blaming his lost debate Monday on a microphone malfunction: |
| Hillary Clinton is tough. I watched her. When she gets knocked down, she doesn’t complain. She doesn’t cry foul. No, she gets right back up, comes back stronger. | Hillary Clinton is tough. I watched her. When she gets knocked down, she doesn’t complain. She doesn’t cry foul. No, she gets right back up, comes back stronger. |