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| Pence and Kaine spar in vice-presidential debate – as it happened | |
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| The first and only vice-presidential debate of 2016 is in the can. Here’s what happened: | |
| Top moment on Facebook of #VPDebate: “He is asking everybody to vote for somebody that he cannot defend.” - @timkaine | |
| .@Mike_Pence: "You whipped out that Mexican thing again."@TimKaine: "Can you defend it?" #VPDebate #debatenight #debates #Debates2016 pic.twitter.com/UCJJpFuIdf | |
| Clinton campaign aides say fundamental takeaway from tonight is that Mike Pence did not show up to defend Trump, promoted himself instead. | |
| Mike Pence won big. We should all be proud of Mike! | |
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| Reactions II | Reactions II |
| Just another reminder that too often in life and politics, people trade apparent short-term gain for fucking themselves down the line. | Just another reminder that too often in life and politics, people trade apparent short-term gain for fucking themselves down the line. |
| The two candidates arguing about "insult-driven" campaigns was the top moment of the debate on @facebook. Watch it below. https://t.co/TJhr76D4n6 | The two candidates arguing about "insult-driven" campaigns was the top moment of the debate on @facebook. Watch it below. https://t.co/TJhr76D4n6 |
| The winner of the debate is a deep sense of regret that "generic Republican" wasn't nominated for the top of the ticket. https://t.co/OLMXW0cEIm | The winner of the debate is a deep sense of regret that "generic Republican" wasn't nominated for the top of the ticket. https://t.co/OLMXW0cEIm |
| Kaine should have brought out that Gospel of Matthew quote earlier, and gone back to it. | Kaine should have brought out that Gospel of Matthew quote earlier, and gone back to it. |
| Cool chart by @RitchieSKing showing #attacks in the #VPDebate https://t.co/iBZrXWIwvk pic.twitter.com/f0GIu0FZbs | Cool chart by @RitchieSKing showing #attacks in the #VPDebate https://t.co/iBZrXWIwvk pic.twitter.com/f0GIu0FZbs |
| .@Mike_Pence: "You whipped out that Mexican thing again."@TimKaine: "Can you defend it?" #VPDebate #debatenight #debates #Debates2016 pic.twitter.com/UCJJpFuIdf | .@Mike_Pence: "You whipped out that Mexican thing again."@TimKaine: "Can you defend it?" #VPDebate #debatenight #debates #Debates2016 pic.twitter.com/UCJJpFuIdf |
| #VPDebate pic.twitter.com/6qExoprsBi | #VPDebate pic.twitter.com/6qExoprsBi |
| Pence is giving the country a very good preview of how the Republican Party is going to move beyond Trump. Just pretend he never happened. | Pence is giving the country a very good preview of how the Republican Party is going to move beyond Trump. Just pretend he never happened. |
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| Reactions | Reactions |
| Mike Pence won big. We should all be proud of Mike! | Mike Pence won big. We should all be proud of Mike! |
| Post-debate Clinton camp: pence never actually defended trump | Post-debate Clinton camp: pence never actually defended trump |
| Kaine interrupted too much and Pence basically denied that Trump ever said everything he has ever said. #debate | Kaine interrupted too much and Pence basically denied that Trump ever said everything he has ever said. #debate |
| @NoahShachtman he had no chill | @NoahShachtman he had no chill |
| Now I want to meet the Trump from Earth 2 that Pence was describing. | Now I want to meet the Trump from Earth 2 that Pence was describing. |
| The GOP needs to #fliptheticket | The GOP needs to #fliptheticket |
| Pence is working hard (and largely succeeding) to look statesmanlike, etc. Kaine is trying to rattle off as many attacks on Trump as he can. | Pence is working hard (and largely succeeding) to look statesmanlike, etc. Kaine is trying to rattle off as many attacks on Trump as he can. |
| "Whip Out That Mexican Thing!" wins debate. | "Whip Out That Mexican Thing!" wins debate. |
| "whipped out that Mexican thing again" is very unfortunate | "whipped out that Mexican thing again" is very unfortunate |
| Pretty accurate summary of the #VPDebate: pic.twitter.com/BvBtbiuX5f | Pretty accurate summary of the #VPDebate: pic.twitter.com/BvBtbiuX5f |
| My specially-assembled #VPDebate focus group: pic.twitter.com/hm7lekBquc | My specially-assembled #VPDebate focus group: pic.twitter.com/hm7lekBquc |
| kaine + pence = peterman pic.twitter.com/B66OEPeOhi | kaine + pence = peterman pic.twitter.com/B66OEPeOhi |
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| Fact check: abortion | Fact check: abortion |
| Alan Yuhas | Alan Yuhas |
| Pence: ‘Donald Trump and I would just never support legislation that would punish a woman for making the heartbreaking decision to terminate a pregnancy’ | Pence: ‘Donald Trump and I would just never support legislation that would punish a woman for making the heartbreaking decision to terminate a pregnancy’ |
| Kaine is correct that Trump suggested women should be punished for having abortions – he then recanted the idea at the end of a day of flip flopping positions. Unlike Pence, Trump has not been pro-life his whole life. In 1999, he said: “I hate the concept of abortion. I hate it. I hate everything it stands for, I cringe when I listen to people debating the subject, but still I just believe in choice.” | Kaine is correct that Trump suggested women should be punished for having abortions – he then recanted the idea at the end of a day of flip flopping positions. Unlike Pence, Trump has not been pro-life his whole life. In 1999, he said: “I hate the concept of abortion. I hate it. I hate everything it stands for, I cringe when I listen to people debating the subject, but still I just believe in choice.” |
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| Fact check: the Clinton foundation | Fact check: the Clinton foundation |
| Alan Yuhas | Alan Yuhas |
| Pence: the Associated Press found that more than half of Clinton’s meetings as secretary of state were with donors to the Clinton Foundation | Pence: the Associated Press found that more than half of Clinton’s meetings as secretary of state were with donors to the Clinton Foundation |
| The AP story on Clinton’s meetings did not include her meetings with people in the US government and from foreign governments – who were by a huge margin the people she met with while serving as the top diplomat of the United States. | The AP story on Clinton’s meetings did not include her meetings with people in the US government and from foreign governments – who were by a huge margin the people she met with while serving as the top diplomat of the United States. |
| The news agency deleted a tweet about the story – virtually verbatim to what Pence said– for lack of context, and AP’s vice president for standards John Daniszewski wrote a blog post about the decision. | The news agency deleted a tweet about the story – virtually verbatim to what Pence said– for lack of context, and AP’s vice president for standards John Daniszewski wrote a blog post about the decision. |
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| @mollyesque I never liked Pence in "Mad Men." | @mollyesque I never liked Pence in "Mad Men." |
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| That’s it! It’s done. Who won? Did Kaine rattle Pence? How did Quijano do? | That’s it! It’s done. Who won? Did Kaine rattle Pence? How did Quijano do? |
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| Many have been asking what kind of pin Tim Kaine is wearing on his lapel tonight. | Many have been asking what kind of pin Tim Kaine is wearing on his lapel tonight. |
| Answer: A Blue Star Pin, worn by the families of those who serve in the military, in honor of his son Nat. | Answer: A Blue Star Pin, worn by the families of those who serve in the military, in honor of his son Nat. |
| Earlier this year, the North Carolina GOP derided Kaine as “shameful” for wearing the Blue Star Pin, which they wrongly thought was a Honduras flag pin. (Kaine was a missionary in Honduras in 1980). | Earlier this year, the North Carolina GOP derided Kaine as “shameful” for wearing the Blue Star Pin, which they wrongly thought was a Honduras flag pin. (Kaine was a missionary in Honduras in 1980). |
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| Last question: How would you bring the country together if elected? | Last question: How would you bring the country together if elected? |
| Kaine: Clinton was first lady, senator and now the nominee. I’m surprised all the time by how well people say they worked with her. He names children’s health care and care for 9/11 survivors. “She has a track record of working across the aisle to make things happen.” He mentions he had two Republican- controlled legislatures while governor. | Kaine: Clinton was first lady, senator and now the nominee. I’m surprised all the time by how well people say they worked with her. He names children’s health care and care for 9/11 survivors. “She has a track record of working across the aisle to make things happen.” He mentions he had two Republican- controlled legislatures while governor. |
| Pence: Thank you thank you. “This is a very challenging time in the life of the nation. .. an economy that’s truly struggling... more taxes, regulation, Obamacare, war on coal, trade deals that have put American workers in the backseat. “The best way we can bring American workers together is through change in Washington DC... The American people want to see our people standing tall again... and Donald Trump’s entire career has been about building... finding a way... to fight forward. When Donald Trump because president of the United States, we’re going to have a stronger America. | Pence: Thank you thank you. “This is a very challenging time in the life of the nation. .. an economy that’s truly struggling... more taxes, regulation, Obamacare, war on coal, trade deals that have put American workers in the backseat. “The best way we can bring American workers together is through change in Washington DC... The American people want to see our people standing tall again... and Donald Trump’s entire career has been about building... finding a way... to fight forward. When Donald Trump because president of the United States, we’re going to have a stronger America. |
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| Kaine: Trump wants to punish women for abortion | Kaine: Trump wants to punish women for abortion |
| Quijano: describe your faith life. | Quijano: describe your faith life. |
| Kaine: This question is easy. Irish Catholic, Jesuit, Catholic missionary, people should worship as they please. As state governor, he says, he struggled with Virginia’s death penalty. He opposed it based on religion. “But I know how to take an oath and uphold the law... it was very very difficult to allow an execution to go forward... that was a real struggle” but people of faith can’t just substitute their own views on everyone. | Kaine: This question is easy. Irish Catholic, Jesuit, Catholic missionary, people should worship as they please. As state governor, he says, he struggled with Virginia’s death penalty. He opposed it based on religion. “But I know how to take an oath and uphold the law... it was very very difficult to allow an execution to go forward... that was a real struggle” but people of faith can’t just substitute their own views on everyone. |
| Pence: Wonderful question. “My Christian faith is at the very heart of who I am.” We went to church and had grace. “With my wife at my side, we followed the calling into public service.” I have a great deal of respect for senator Kaine’s sincere faith. But the sanctimony of life... out of the blue... ancient principle... God says... great compassion for the sanctity of life.. non-abortion alternatives.. pro-adoption. “What I can’t understand with Hillary Clinton... to support a practice like partial birth abortion... that a child almost born could still have their life taken from them is just anathema to me...Clinton wants to repeal” ban on tax funds for abortion. Still Pence talking here. “I like to spend a little bit of time on my knees every day.” | Pence: Wonderful question. “My Christian faith is at the very heart of who I am.” We went to church and had grace. “With my wife at my side, we followed the calling into public service.” I have a great deal of respect for senator Kaine’s sincere faith. But the sanctimony of life... out of the blue... ancient principle... God says... great compassion for the sanctity of life.. non-abortion alternatives.. pro-adoption. “What I can’t understand with Hillary Clinton... to support a practice like partial birth abortion... that a child almost born could still have their life taken from them is just anathema to me...Clinton wants to repeal” ban on tax funds for abortion. Still Pence talking here. “I like to spend a little bit of time on my knees every day.” |
| Kaine: “This is a fundamental question... we really feel that it is not the role of the public servant to mandate that for everybody else... we support Roe v Wade... the constitutional right of American woman to... make their own decision about pregnancy. We trust American women to do that. And we don’t think that women as Donald Trump said should be punished.. “ Pence wants to overturn Roe.. “The very last thing that government should do is to make laws that would punish women.” And that “is the | Kaine: “This is a fundamental question... we really feel that it is not the role of the public servant to mandate that for everybody else... we support Roe v Wade... the constitutional right of American woman to... make their own decision about pregnancy. We trust American women to do that. And we don’t think that women as Donald Trump said should be punished.. “ Pence wants to overturn Roe.. “The very last thing that government should do is to make laws that would punish women.” And that “is the |
| Pence: “Donald Trump and I” don’t favor punishing women for abortion. | Pence: “Donald Trump and I” don’t favor punishing women for abortion. |
| Kaine: Trump said he did. | Kaine: Trump said he did. |
| Pence: “He’s not a polished politician.” | Pence: “He’s not a polished politician.” |
| Kaine: The gospel of Matthew says, “From the fullness of the heart the mouth speaks.” So Trump meant it. And he called Mexicans rapists. | Kaine: The gospel of Matthew says, “From the fullness of the heart the mouth speaks.” So Trump meant it. And he called Mexicans rapists. |
| Pence: “Senator, you whipped out that Mexican thing again.” | Pence: “Senator, you whipped out that Mexican thing again.” |
| Kaine: “Can you defend it?” | Kaine: “Can you defend it?” |
| Pence: “There are criminal aliens that come into this country...” | Pence: “There are criminal aliens that come into this country...” |
| [talk talk] | [talk talk] |
| Kaine: Why doesn’t Donald Trump trust women to make that choice for themselves? | Kaine: Why doesn’t Donald Trump trust women to make that choice for themselves? |
| Pence: Because a society can be judged by how it deals with its most vulnerable... I couldn’t be more proud to be standing with a pro-life candidate.” | Pence: Because a society can be judged by how it deals with its most vulnerable... I couldn’t be more proud to be standing with a pro-life candidate.” |
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| The candidates are asked about their faith. The Guardian’s Stephanie Kirchgaessner has taken a look at their different Catholic-inspired visions: | The candidates are asked about their faith. The Guardian’s Stephanie Kirchgaessner has taken a look at their different Catholic-inspired visions: |
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| It’s all about the | It’s all about the |
| Benjamins | Benjamins |
| Putin(s) | Putin(s) |
| CLINTON’S CLOSE TIES TO PUTIN DESERVE SCRUTINY:https://t.co/wPYm5vQoyt #VPDebate | CLINTON’S CLOSE TIES TO PUTIN DESERVE SCRUTINY:https://t.co/wPYm5vQoyt #VPDebate |
| Actually, @mike_pence, your running mate did say that. https://t.co/qtAiHWDqsr #VPDebate pic.twitter.com/youtybAqic | Actually, @mike_pence, your running mate did say that. https://t.co/qtAiHWDqsr #VPDebate pic.twitter.com/youtybAqic |