This article is from the source 'guardian' and was first published or seen on . It last changed over 40 days ago and won't be checked again for changes.

You can find the current article at its original source at https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2016/oct/14/george-brandis-to-appear-at-senate-committee-over-solicitor-general-politics-live

The article has changed 13 times. There is an RSS feed of changes available.

Version 8 Version 9
George Brandis says inquiry is 'a bizarre waste of time and money' – politics live George Brandis says inquiry is 'a bizarre waste of time and money' – politics live
(35 minutes later)
5.06am BST
05:06
Reynolds again complains about the treatment of Brandis by Watt.
Brandis again steps in and says he is fine. He notes Watt was very polite to Gleeson but:
If you want to be rude to me, go right ahead.
5.04am BST
05:04
Murray Watt just questioned why the secretary of the department, Chris Moraitis ,did not appear. I missed the comment but general outrage ensued and Watt withdrew – given Moraitis had requested leave some time before.
Updated
at 5.08am BST
5.00am BST
05:00
Watts says former SG Griffiths, the current SG Gleeson and Sir Anthony Mason disagree with the direction at issue.
Brandis says as a lawyer “all of my adult life” he understands lawyers have different views about different contestable issues.
Only in the high court, does the majority rule.
Updated
at 5.03am BST
4.57am BST
04:57
Senator Reynolds wants to pull up Murray Watts who is the most combative for Labor. Brandis tells Reynolds,
Oh senators I don’t mind...
4.55am BST
04:55
Updated
at 4.57am BST
4.40am BST
04:40
George Brandis on the Mark Dreyfus conversation:
Just as Mr Gleeson didn’t want to reflect on me, I don’t want to reflect on him, but I do say that it is very surprising that the solicitor general should have had a conversation with one of the government’s principal political enemies in the middle of an election campaign without advising the government that he had done so.
I listened carefully to his reasons why he thought it was appropriate for him to speak to Mr Dreyfus and I don’t necessarily disagree with him. I reserve my position on that until I have the opportunity to reflect more carefully. But I cannot begin to understand why Mr Gleeson did not reveal that fact to me.
Updated
at 4.44am BST
4.37am BST
04:37
Macdonald asks whether he spoke to the media about the matter. Brandis says before the story appeared in the media he did not speak to the media about it.
Then he may have responded to the media after that, on or off the record.
There was a letter leaked to the Financial Review’s Laura Tingle. Brandis says he was satisfied the letter was not leaked from his office and the AG’s secretary of the department confirmed to him that the letter had not been leaked from the department.
The only other place that would have seen the letter was the SG’s office.
Updated
at 4.40am BST
4.32am BST4.32am BST
04:3204:32
Now Watt gets stuck in.Now Watt gets stuck in.
Senator Brandis, why you are treating Australia’s solicitor general as a dog on a lead?Senator Brandis, why you are treating Australia’s solicitor general as a dog on a lead?
Brandis:Brandis:
Do you have a serious question?Do you have a serious question?
LNP senator O’Sullivan asks for Watt’s question to be withdrawn.LNP senator O’Sullivan asks for Watt’s question to be withdrawn.
UpdatedUpdated
at 4.32am BSTat 4.32am BST
4.29am BST4.29am BST
04:2904:29
AG Brandis says all allegations he's misled the Senate have been without foundation #BrandisGleeson @abcnews pic.twitter.com/yS4RbuQ3GcAG Brandis says all allegations he's misled the Senate have been without foundation #BrandisGleeson @abcnews pic.twitter.com/yS4RbuQ3Gc
4.24am BST4.24am BST
04:2404:24
Under questioning from Watt, Brandis says it would be inconceivable that Brandis as AG would not allow the governor general to seek legal advice in any dispute between the GG and the PM.Under questioning from Watt, Brandis says it would be inconceivable that Brandis as AG would not allow the governor general to seek legal advice in any dispute between the GG and the PM.
So even in 1975 at the crescendo of the crisis, the legal advice ... provided to Sir John Kerr was jointly signed from the attorney general and the solicitor general.So even in 1975 at the crescendo of the crisis, the legal advice ... provided to Sir John Kerr was jointly signed from the attorney general and the solicitor general.
#BrandisGleeson pic.twitter.com/V5rpuoKEpp#BrandisGleeson pic.twitter.com/V5rpuoKEpp
UpdatedUpdated
at 4.28am BSTat 4.28am BST
4.19am BST4.19am BST
04:1904:19
Brandis says he has talked to lawyers about his appearance but does not know if it constitutes legal advice.Brandis says he has talked to lawyers about his appearance but does not know if it constitutes legal advice.
He considers the independence of the SG important.He considers the independence of the SG important.
UpdatedUpdated
at 4.25am BSTat 4.25am BST
4.17am BST4.17am BST
04:1704:17
Watt goes through Brandis’s CV, which is not as long and distinguished as Gleeson’s. Brandis acknowledges that and says he does not hold himself out as more experienced.Watt goes through Brandis’s CV, which is not as long and distinguished as Gleeson’s. Brandis acknowledges that and says he does not hold himself out as more experienced.
I have been the subject of many accusations senator Watt.I have been the subject of many accusations senator Watt.
UpdatedUpdated
at 4.19am BSTat 4.19am BST
4.15am BST4.15am BST
04:1504:15
Chair Pratt notes Brandis has now spoken for 40 minutes. He will provide the opening statement to committee members.Chair Pratt notes Brandis has now spoken for 40 minutes. He will provide the opening statement to committee members.
Murray Watt opens and congratulates him on an “opening short statement of obfuscation”.Murray Watt opens and congratulates him on an “opening short statement of obfuscation”.
4.13am BST
04:13
Brandis notes Mark Dreyfus has asked for advice from other sources during his time as AG (contained in the Appleby book on the solicitor general). He quotes Dreyfus:
Despite the fact that I say that the solicitor general has got a higher status, she or he is still just a barrister.
Updated
at 4.16am BST
4.09am BST
04:09
Sabra Lane of the 7.30 Report.
BTW: the directive is a 'dis-allowable' instrument; the Senate can over-rule it, + probably will when the committee reports #BrandisGleeson
4.07am BST
04:07
We are on to volume 22 of the attorney’s opening statement.
4.06am BST
04:06
Justin Gleeson SC is the most impressive witness I have seen at a Senate hearing. Masterclass of integrity. #BrandisGleeson
4.04am BST
04:04
Brandis gives an example of the processes around former attorney general Mark Dreyfus regarding a regulation.
He says the requirement of consultation was fulfilled by Dreyfus through contact between the AG’s department and the department of finance “by way of email and telephone exchange”.
He says that was fine and no one suggested there should be an inquiry into that.
Brandis calls the present inquiry “a bizarre waste of time and money”.
4.01am BST
04:01
So George Brandis continues....my learned friends.
Chair Louise Pratt tries to wind him up but he insists on delivering his whole statement (given questioners will have less time).
3.56am BST
03:56
The consultation that occurred on November 30 was about “substance not form”, says Brandis.
For example, what processes should be in place, rather than the form (of the direction).
The person doing the consulting seeks the views of people and then decides on the course of action.
When one consults someone, one asks their advice...that is what I mean when I use the word consult.
Brandis uses the Oxford Dictionary and gives a copy of the definition to all the committee members.
I think we’re right.
3.50am BST
03:50
The whole dispute boils down to the definition of consultation, says Brandis. Under the law, Brandis says, it is up to “the rule maker” to determine the consultation.
That is, moi.
3.47am BST
03:47
A-G says he didnt respond to S-G's letter of complaint during election campaign because govt was in caretaker mode. Delegated to Dept sec.
3.46am BST
03:46
Brandis denies the fact that he refused to engage with Gleeson on the direction. He says he wrote in August this year to Gleeson.
The attorney general stands by every word of his submission and every statement he has made (including in the Senate).
Updated
at 3.47am BST