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| Australians already jailed for terrorism could have citizenship stripped – politics live | Australians already jailed for terrorism could have citizenship stripped – politics live |
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| 9.10am AEST00:10 | |
| The definitions which will cause citizenship renunciation | |
| Here’s the definitions for actions which will cause citizenship renunciation, via Peter Dutton. | |
| The relevant conduct is engaging in international terrorist activities using explosive or lethal devices, engaging in a terrorist act, providing or receiving training connected with preparation for, engagement in or assistance in a terrorist act. | |
| Directing the activities of a terrorist organisation, recruiting for a terrorist organisation, financing terrorism, financing a terrorist, and engaging in foreign incursions and recruitment. Automatic loss of citizenship will be triggered whether the conduct takes place inside or outside Australia. | |
| (Bear with me, there is a lot of detail and I need to get it right.) | |
| Updated at 9.11am AEST | |
| 9.08am AEST00:08 | |
| Dutton: | |
| The bill proposes three mechanisms for automatic loss of citizenship. | |
| First, a new provision where a person renounces their citizenship if they act inconsistently with their allegiance to Australia by engaging in certain terrorist conduct, | |
| Second, an extension of the provision for a person fighting in the armed forces of another country against Australia. In that situation a person ceases to be an Australian citizen if they fight for or are in the services of a specified terrorist organisation overseas. | |
| Third, a new loss of citizenship provision if the person has been convicted of a specified terrorism offence by an Australian court. | |
| 9.05am AEST00:05 | |
| Peter Dutton is delivering a second reading speech, with Malcolm Turnbull sitting behind him. | |
| [Citizenship] is a common bond that unites us all, whether we were born here or chose to make Australia our home. Citizenship shows a commitment to this country, its people and its democratic rights an privileges. Australian citizenship should not be taken lightly. | |
| 9.02am AEST00:02 | |
| Citizenship bill in da house. | |
| Speaker Bishop is in the chair. | |
| Here comes the bill. | |
| The Australian Citizenship Amendment (Allegiance to Australia) Bill 2015 is in the house. | |
| 9.00am AEST00:00 | |
| Twitter friend and wag: | |
| @gabriellechan we need to know. These Pro Bono lawyers which side are the on? Also why r they such fans of U2 anyway? | |
| 8.58am AEST23:58 | |
| From our colleague down at Sky, the Daily Tele’s spread on Q&A. | |
| Is this a real qanda panel? pic.twitter.com/EbvNgWMXKz | |
| 8.51am AEST23:51 | |
| PM: Plenty of pro-bono lawyers will rush to help the first person affected by laws | |
| Tony Abbott does not seem to be worried about anyone inadvertently getting caught up by national security laws. | |
| I am sure there will be all sorts of pro-bono lawyers who will be rushing to help the first person for whom this takes place but the fact is if you’re a terrorist, you’ve left our country to fight with a movement that regards our way of life as in some way satanic, it is saying to us, submit or die, which hates our freedom, which hates our tolerance, which hates the welcome that we give to minorities, which hates everything about the way we live, frankly why should we consider you to be one of us? | |
| Updated at 8.52am AEST | |
| 8.38am AEST23:38 | 8.38am AEST23:38 |
| Tony Abbott: All too often the ABC seems to be on everyone's side but Australia's | Tony Abbott: All too often the ABC seems to be on everyone's side but Australia's |
| The citizenship legislation will be introduced to the parliament at 9am. | The citizenship legislation will be introduced to the parliament at 9am. |
| Meantime, here is Tony Abbott, who was speaking to Sunrise this morning. | Meantime, here is Tony Abbott, who was speaking to Sunrise this morning. |
| Our supposed national broadcaster is giving a platform to someone who hates us, hates our way of life, supports the terrorists that would do us harm and again I say, the issue for the ABC, our national broadcaster, is whose side are you on because all too often the ABC seems to be on everyone’s side but Australia’s. | Our supposed national broadcaster is giving a platform to someone who hates us, hates our way of life, supports the terrorists that would do us harm and again I say, the issue for the ABC, our national broadcaster, is whose side are you on because all too often the ABC seems to be on everyone’s side but Australia’s. |
| 8.34am AEST23:34 | 8.34am AEST23:34 |
| Daniel Hurst | Daniel Hurst |
| The GST is back on the agenda. Here is Daniel Hurst’s report: | The GST is back on the agenda. Here is Daniel Hurst’s report: |
| The Abbott government has reignited debate about the carve-up of the goods and services tax (GST) after releasing a reform blueprint that includes the option of tying allocations to the population of states and territories. | The Abbott government has reignited debate about the carve-up of the goods and services tax (GST) after releasing a reform blueprint that includes the option of tying allocations to the population of states and territories. |
| Another option is a new “floor” to ensure that no state or territory’s allocation fell below a set level – an issue Western Australia has complained about given its share is set to fall below 30 cents for every dollar it contributes next financial year. | Another option is a new “floor” to ensure that no state or territory’s allocation fell below a set level – an issue Western Australia has complained about given its share is set to fall below 30 cents for every dollar it contributes next financial year. |
| The ideas are outlined in a new discussion paper on federation reform (pdf), which also floats a federal takeover of state responsibilities for universities and the potential for the states to take charge of all homelessness services.. | The ideas are outlined in a new discussion paper on federation reform (pdf), which also floats a federal takeover of state responsibilities for universities and the potential for the states to take charge of all homelessness services.. |
| The paper presents three options: | The paper presents three options: |
| The third is the most radical option for change to the GST carve-up. The paper says it would require the unanimous support of the states and territories to move to a simple per-capita formula. | The third is the most radical option for change to the GST carve-up. The paper says it would require the unanimous support of the states and territories to move to a simple per-capita formula. |
| 8.26am AEST23:26 | 8.26am AEST23:26 |
| Renewable Energy Target hair cut: Is it a mullet? | Renewable Energy Target hair cut: Is it a mullet? |
| The Renewable Energy Target has been cut from 41,000 gigawatt hours to 33,000 gigawatt hours. The Greens and Labor tried to exclude wood waste from the RET to no avail as the government got the support of the senate crossbenchers by appointing a wind farm commissioner. Lenore Taylor broke that story last week. | The Renewable Energy Target has been cut from 41,000 gigawatt hours to 33,000 gigawatt hours. The Greens and Labor tried to exclude wood waste from the RET to no avail as the government got the support of the senate crossbenchers by appointing a wind farm commissioner. Lenore Taylor broke that story last week. |
| Industry groups welcomed the slashing of the RET, with Kate Carnell, chief executive of the Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry (Acci) describing the new target as an: | Industry groups welcomed the slashing of the RET, with Kate Carnell, chief executive of the Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry (Acci) describing the new target as an: |
| enormous relief to energy users. ..The reduction of the target from 41,000 gigawatt hours is a sensible reform that acknowledges the changed circumstances of lower overall demand for energy than originally anticipated. | enormous relief to energy users. ..The reduction of the target from 41,000 gigawatt hours is a sensible reform that acknowledges the changed circumstances of lower overall demand for energy than originally anticipated. |
| I will bring you more reaction through the morning on whether the new RET target haircut represents a trim or a mullet. | I will bring you more reaction through the morning on whether the new RET target haircut represents a trim or a mullet. |
| 8.10am AEST23:10 | 8.10am AEST23:10 |
| The ABC is in deep doodoo again. As anticipated, the warriors are out. From the highest office in the land to a wide range of media commentators, swords have been drawn to hang, draw and quarter the national broadcaster for treason. | The ABC is in deep doodoo again. As anticipated, the warriors are out. From the highest office in the land to a wide range of media commentators, swords have been drawn to hang, draw and quarter the national broadcaster for treason. |
| This sort of thing really helps, though I’m not sure the advertiser at the bottom would be pleased. | This sort of thing really helps, though I’m not sure the advertiser at the bottom would be pleased. |
| The front page of tomorrow's Courier-Mail. pic.twitter.com/2kRB0YcRlT | The front page of tomorrow's Courier-Mail. pic.twitter.com/2kRB0YcRlT |
| Peter Dutton has his metaphorical night stick out and giving the ABC a whack. | Peter Dutton has his metaphorical night stick out and giving the ABC a whack. |
| I think people want to see a balanced ‘Q & A’, because as I say, it has been a good format, but in recent month it is has lost the plot...They do have serious questions to answer and that’s the idea of this independent process because people need to have confidence restored into the public broadcaster because there are lots of people across the community that shouldn’t be ignored, that do have significant concerns about the composition of the audience, about now the safety aspect of going into that audience or as a panel member. | I think people want to see a balanced ‘Q & A’, because as I say, it has been a good format, but in recent month it is has lost the plot...They do have serious questions to answer and that’s the idea of this independent process because people need to have confidence restored into the public broadcaster because there are lots of people across the community that shouldn’t be ignored, that do have significant concerns about the composition of the audience, about now the safety aspect of going into that audience or as a panel member. |
| 7.54am AEST22:54 | 7.54am AEST22:54 |
| Good morning citizens, | Good morning citizens, |
| Hang on to your citizenship tightly this morn. The immigration minister, Peter Dutton, has been staring down at me from every television in the joint, explaining the new laws to strip citizenship, which we have yet to sight. | Hang on to your citizenship tightly this morn. The immigration minister, Peter Dutton, has been staring down at me from every television in the joint, explaining the new laws to strip citizenship, which we have yet to sight. |
| The legislation is expected first thing this morning so it will be refreshing to have facts in front of us. | The legislation is expected first thing this morning so it will be refreshing to have facts in front of us. |
| Dutton has told various outlets that if a dual national “serves or fights” in the name of a proscribed terrorist organisation, “by their very act” they renounce their citizenship. | Dutton has told various outlets that if a dual national “serves or fights” in the name of a proscribed terrorist organisation, “by their very act” they renounce their citizenship. |
| Evidence for that action will be provided from intelligence agencies to the minister, who will “notify” the person. On receiving the notification, the (former) dual national may then challenge the circumstances in a court. | Evidence for that action will be provided from intelligence agencies to the minister, who will “notify” the person. On receiving the notification, the (former) dual national may then challenge the circumstances in a court. |
| The change from the previous “ministerial discretion” option is that rather than the minister cancelling the citizenship on agency intelligence, the citizenship is stripped “automatically” by their conduct. | The change from the previous “ministerial discretion” option is that rather than the minister cancelling the citizenship on agency intelligence, the citizenship is stripped “automatically” by their conduct. |
| Dutton says the “person themselves make the decision” and “renunciation takes place at the time of the conduct”. | Dutton says the “person themselves make the decision” and “renunciation takes place at the time of the conduct”. |
| While I am nothing more than a bush lawyer, which is no lawyer at all, the automatic button seems troublesome. | While I am nothing more than a bush lawyer, which is no lawyer at all, the automatic button seems troublesome. |
| It may be all well and good if the person declares they have been fighting with Isis or other orgs but I still come back to the fact that proving the conduct for someone who does not self-declare surely is still an issue. | It may be all well and good if the person declares they have been fighting with Isis or other orgs but I still come back to the fact that proving the conduct for someone who does not self-declare surely is still an issue. |
| The other interesting development which Dutton has expanded on this morning is the fact that Australians who are dual nationals and currently in jail for terrorism-related offences could have their citizenship stripped under the laws. | The other interesting development which Dutton has expanded on this morning is the fact that Australians who are dual nationals and currently in jail for terrorism-related offences could have their citizenship stripped under the laws. |
| The legislation presented this morning will not be retrospective but after it is introduced, it will go straight to the Parliamentary Joint Committee on Security and Intelligence, which will be asked to look at whether the law should be retrospective. | The legislation presented this morning will not be retrospective but after it is introduced, it will go straight to the Parliamentary Joint Committee on Security and Intelligence, which will be asked to look at whether the law should be retrospective. |
| PDutton says there are currently 23 Australians in jail for terrorism related offences and about half are dual nationals. | PDutton says there are currently 23 Australians in jail for terrorism related offences and about half are dual nationals. |
| There is a question about whether or not there should be some applicability to the 23 or those who are serving jail sentences now and that’s an issue for the committee which is a joint committee between Liberal and Labor to have a look at that question, but we don’t propose retrospectivity in its current form. | There is a question about whether or not there should be some applicability to the 23 or those who are serving jail sentences now and that’s an issue for the committee which is a joint committee between Liberal and Labor to have a look at that question, but we don’t propose retrospectivity in its current form. |
| The other thing that happened while we were having a life was the passage of the Renewable Energy Target through the Senate. You now have a wind farm commissioner, who will be paid for out of “existing savings” in the environment department, so kick back and relax. | The other thing that happened while we were having a life was the passage of the Renewable Energy Target through the Senate. You now have a wind farm commissioner, who will be paid for out of “existing savings” in the environment department, so kick back and relax. |
| Jump into the conversation below, or on the Twits @gabriellechan and @mpbowers. | Jump into the conversation below, or on the Twits @gabriellechan and @mpbowers. |
| Second-last sitting day of parliament before the winter break. Giddy-up. | Second-last sitting day of parliament before the winter break. Giddy-up. |
| Updated at 8.16am AEST | Updated at 8.16am AEST |