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Same-sex marriage: Coalition party room sticks with the status quo – politics live | Same-sex marriage: Coalition party room sticks with the status quo – politics live |
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1.43pm BST | 1.43pm BST |
13:43 | 13:43 |
Good night, and good luck | Good night, and good luck |
Well folks what fine company you have been on an epic day in the live blogue caper. I have to go and lie down now for a brief while before I get up again and face tomorrow in national affairs in pithy ten minute increments. | Well folks what fine company you have been on an epic day in the live blogue caper. I have to go and lie down now for a brief while before I get up again and face tomorrow in national affairs in pithy ten minute increments. |
Huge thanks to Mike Bowers for his magnificence throughout the day, afternoon, evening – which extended to supplying a fortifying cheese dinner for the bureau. Don’t ask. We won’t tell. | Huge thanks to Mike Bowers for his magnificence throughout the day, afternoon, evening – which extended to supplying a fortifying cheese dinner for the bureau. Don’t ask. We won’t tell. |
Today, Tuesday: | Today, Tuesday: |
We have tomorrow though lovelies, and I’ll be seeing you all then. | We have tomorrow though lovelies, and I’ll be seeing you all then. |
1.20pm BST | 1.20pm BST |
13:20 | 13:20 |
Garbled political fudging in five points: a late night listicle | Garbled political fudging in five points: a late night listicle |
Ok, it’s late, and I’ve entered my sixteenth hour. Bear with me. | Ok, it’s late, and I’ve entered my sixteenth hour. Bear with me. |
That’s it, I think. | That’s it, I think. |
Did I miss anything? | Did I miss anything? |
1.11pm BST | 1.11pm BST |
13:11 | 13:11 |
Abbott has wrapped the press conference. Give me a minute and I’ll decode all that. | Abbott has wrapped the press conference. Give me a minute and I’ll decode all that. |
PM Tony Abbott #Presser #BlueRoom #SSM @murpharoo @GuardianAus #politicslive pic.twitter.com/SQjzQxxDku | PM Tony Abbott #Presser #BlueRoom #SSM @murpharoo @GuardianAus #politicslive pic.twitter.com/SQjzQxxDku |
Cheeky, that Mikearoo. | Cheeky, that Mikearoo. |
1.09pm BST | 1.09pm BST |
13:09 | 13:09 |
Abbott is asked whether he understands the anger of colleagues given he chose to put same sex marriage to the joint party room, not the Liberal party room. | Abbott is asked whether he understands the anger of colleagues given he chose to put same sex marriage to the joint party room, not the Liberal party room. |
The prime minister: | The prime minister: |
There’s no easy answer here. It doesn’t matter what we did today, some people would have been disappointed. | There’s no easy answer here. It doesn’t matter what we did today, some people would have been disappointed. |
1.07pm BST | 1.07pm BST |
13:07 | 13:07 |
Tony Abbott: | Tony Abbott: |
I’m not saying the Coalition’s position is set in stone for all time. | I’m not saying the Coalition’s position is set in stone for all time. |
He repeats his earlier mantra. | He repeats his earlier mantra. |
The issue can be put to the people. | The issue can be put to the people. |
Not now. But for the next term. | Not now. But for the next term. |
1.05pm BST | 1.05pm BST |
13:05 | 13:05 |
Abbott says he doesn’t want to send a message that there can never be change. | Abbott says he doesn’t want to send a message that there can never be change. |
1.02pm BST | 1.02pm BST |
13:02 | 13:02 |
The prime minister says the Coalition took a position to the last election, and the last thing you should do is dud the people who voted for you. | The prime minister says the Coalition took a position to the last election, and the last thing you should do is dud the people who voted for you. |
But he acknowledges same sex marriage is very deeply personal. | But he acknowledges same sex marriage is very deeply personal. |
Abbott says this is the end of the road in this respect. | Abbott says this is the end of the road in this respect. |
This is the last term in which the Coalition party room can be bound, although we will definitely maintain this position for the life of this term. Our position going into the next election that this is a matter that should rightly be put to the Australian people. | This is the last term in which the Coalition party room can be bound, although we will definitely maintain this position for the life of this term. Our position going into the next election that this is a matter that should rightly be put to the Australian people. |
The prime minister says the government has not finalised a post-election position. | The prime minister says the government has not finalised a post-election position. |
I suppose we could have a plebiscite or a constitutional referendum. | I suppose we could have a plebiscite or a constitutional referendum. |
We want to look at the ramifications of each option. | We want to look at the ramifications of each option. |
12.57pm BST | 12.57pm BST |
12:57 | 12:57 |
Tony Abbott addresses reporters | Tony Abbott addresses reporters |
The prime minister has arrived in the Blue Room to reflect on the day’s events. He’s running through a tick tock of the day thus far. | The prime minister has arrived in the Blue Room to reflect on the day’s events. He’s running through a tick tock of the day thus far. |
Tony Abbott: | Tony Abbott: |
It was a six hour party room meeting. I have to say I was proud of my colleagues. All of them. | It was a six hour party room meeting. I have to say I was proud of my colleagues. All of them. |
Colleagues, he said, spoke with decency and compassion. The prime minister said 60 backbenchers and 30 frontbenchers spoke. | Colleagues, he said, spoke with decency and compassion. The prime minister said 60 backbenchers and 30 frontbenchers spoke. |
I have to say there was strong support for the existing position, that marriage is between a man and a woman. | I have to say there was strong support for the existing position, that marriage is between a man and a woman. |
12.47pm BST | 12.47pm BST |
12:47 | 12:47 |
There was no vote in the party room tonight, just by the by. Not sure where the various number counts are coming from when there’s no vote. Presumably from the whips count of contributions over the course of the debate – or back of the envelope counts by non-whip interested parties. | There was no vote in the party room tonight, just by the by. Not sure where the various number counts are coming from when there’s no vote. Presumably from the whips count of contributions over the course of the debate – or back of the envelope counts by non-whip interested parties. |
12.40pm BST | 12.40pm BST |
12:40 | 12:40 |
The prime minister will address reporters in about five minutes. | The prime minister will address reporters in about five minutes. |
Abbott’s sister, Christine Forster is on the ABC’s Lateline program expressing her profound disappointment about tonight’s outcome. | Abbott’s sister, Christine Forster is on the ABC’s Lateline program expressing her profound disappointment about tonight’s outcome. |
12.38pm BST | 12.38pm BST |
12:38 | 12:38 |
Backbencher Andrew Laming has been stopped by reporters on the way out of the parliament. He’s asked whether or not the prime minister’s decision to include the National party in tonight’s deliberations made a material difference to the outcome. | Backbencher Andrew Laming has been stopped by reporters on the way out of the parliament. He’s asked whether or not the prime minister’s decision to include the National party in tonight’s deliberations made a material difference to the outcome. |
Laming: | Laming: |
It would have been slightly different but the end result would have been the same. | It would have been slightly different but the end result would have been the same. |
He means the numbers just weren’t there to shift the current position. | He means the numbers just weren’t there to shift the current position. |
12.25pm BST | 12.25pm BST |
12:25 | 12:25 |
Resolving to stick with the status quo is an emphatic statement to the conservative base, but it’s also an emphatic statement to the voters at large: if you care about marriage equality, vote Labor or vote Green. | Resolving to stick with the status quo is an emphatic statement to the conservative base, but it’s also an emphatic statement to the voters at large: if you care about marriage equality, vote Labor or vote Green. |
Sir Humphrey Appleby might call that brave. | Sir Humphrey Appleby might call that brave. |
12.18pm BST | 12.18pm BST |
12:18 | 12:18 |
What was I saying before about pathetic attempt at fudges? | What was I saying before about pathetic attempt at fudges? |
.@ScottMorrisonMP @JoeHockey @JulieBishopMP "pushed hard" for a referendum on #samesexmarriage after the next election (@ljayes) | .@ScottMorrisonMP @JoeHockey @JulieBishopMP "pushed hard" for a referendum on #samesexmarriage after the next election (@ljayes) |
12.02pm BST | 12.02pm BST |
12:02 | 12:02 |
A number of breaking reports suggest there will be no free vote – the word out of the party room is the numbers are two to one against. | A number of breaking reports suggest there will be no free vote – the word out of the party room is the numbers are two to one against. |
BREAKING: Lib/Nats party room result. 66-33 There will be NO FREE VOTE. | BREAKING: Lib/Nats party room result. 66-33 There will be NO FREE VOTE. |
Once there’s confirmation I’ll advise. | Once there’s confirmation I’ll advise. |
11.55am BST | 11.55am BST |
11:55 | 11:55 |
Win or loss. Unless of course there’s a pathetic attempt at fudge. | Win or loss. Unless of course there’s a pathetic attempt at fudge. |
Meanwhile, hang in there blogans, bloganistas. | Meanwhile, hang in there blogans, bloganistas. |
I understand #partyroom will wrap in 20 min or less. Into final three speakers - Julie Bishop, Warren Entsch, then Tony Abbott @SkyNewsAust | I understand #partyroom will wrap in 20 min or less. Into final three speakers - Julie Bishop, Warren Entsch, then Tony Abbott @SkyNewsAust |
11.52am BST | 11.52am BST |
11:52 | 11:52 |
A couple of my press gallery colleagues, Phil Coorey from The Australian Financial Review and Michelle Grattan from The Conversation are comparing tonight to the Coalition’s carbon pricing debate in 2009. | A couple of my press gallery colleagues, Phil Coorey from The Australian Financial Review and Michelle Grattan from The Conversation are comparing tonight to the Coalition’s carbon pricing debate in 2009. |
It’s a useful comparison. Both fights split the party right down the middle – exposing competing liberal instincts, conservative instincts. You can’t patch over those differences. There will be a win and a loss. | It’s a useful comparison. Both fights split the party right down the middle – exposing competing liberal instincts, conservative instincts. You can’t patch over those differences. There will be a win and a loss. |
11.39am BST | 11.39am BST |
11:39 | 11:39 |
Two insights into a contribution from frontbencher Malcolm Turnbull in tonight’s debate. | Two insights into a contribution from frontbencher Malcolm Turnbull in tonight’s debate. |
.@TurnbullMalcolm advocates for a yes vote and says "the last thing we need is disunity by forcing frontbenchers to resign" #partyroom | .@TurnbullMalcolm advocates for a yes vote and says "the last thing we need is disunity by forcing frontbenchers to resign" #partyroom |
Malcolm Turnbull raises the prospect of frontbenchers having to resign if and when the SSM issue comes before the parliament. | Malcolm Turnbull raises the prospect of frontbenchers having to resign if and when the SSM issue comes before the parliament. |
11.26am BST | 11.26am BST |
11:26 | 11:26 |
We’ve just hit four-and-a-half hours for this special party room meeting. | We’ve just hit four-and-a-half hours for this special party room meeting. |
No wonder Tony Abbott said at budget time that the Coalition couldn’t manage the economic statement and a debate about same sex marriage at the same time. We were wrong to scoff. | No wonder Tony Abbott said at budget time that the Coalition couldn’t manage the economic statement and a debate about same sex marriage at the same time. We were wrong to scoff. |
11.18am BST | 11.18am BST |
11:18 | 11:18 |
Good moods and good cheer all round. | Good moods and good cheer all round. |
Serjeant-At-Arms office just said Prime Minister's office has asked for media to be removed #auspol #MarriageEquality | Serjeant-At-Arms office just said Prime Minister's office has asked for media to be removed #auspol #MarriageEquality |