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Pyne is however more sanguine about the plebiscite than his colleague Malcolm Turnbull evidently is. He makes the point that the numbers aren’t there in the House of Representatives right now for a yes vote on marriage equality. Pyne thinks the plebiscite might help deliver the result, in effect delivering a yes vote, which then forced the hand of the parliament. He suggests he supported a conscience vote as a matter of principle, not as the only way of skinning the marriage equality cat.
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Christopher Pyne stands by his position that marriage should have gone to the Liberal party room
The manager of government business is speaking on Sydney radio. Christopher Pyne isn’t taking a backward step after events yesterday.
He says is view was the Liberal party should have had a meeting on its own to determine the position on same sex marriage. He says there was absolutely no reason why that couldn’t happen.
Pyne says the debate yesterday evening uncovered the fact that half the front bench and one third of the backbench supported a free vote.
But a decision was made not to have one.
4.36pm AEST07:36
I’m sorry I keep talking to people calling by the office. I’m a disgrace to live blogs.
It really is funny isn’t it – the prime minister’s aspirational pitch on the people’s vote on same sex marriage. I don’t think he’s said once today that he would campaign against it.
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Meanwhile, to our south (or to my south anyways), the Victorian Liberal leader Matthew Guy has some choice words for the party leadership in Canberra.Meanwhile, to our south (or to my south anyways), the Victorian Liberal leader Matthew Guy has some choice words for the party leadership in Canberra.
Wake up, Tony – you are spoiling things for all of us.Wake up, Tony – you are spoiling things for all of us.
Matthew Guy:Matthew Guy:
I think Australians are just utterly sick of federal politics and I’m not surprised why. They are poisoning the well of good will for all other elected politicians in the country.I think Australians are just utterly sick of federal politics and I’m not surprised why. They are poisoning the well of good will for all other elected politicians in the country.
People who feel that members should be bound on matters of conscience by a party vote, well, they need to go back and look at the rationale on which our party was founded by Robert Menzies - it wasn’t one of binding votes, it was one of conscience.People who feel that members should be bound on matters of conscience by a party vote, well, they need to go back and look at the rationale on which our party was founded by Robert Menzies - it wasn’t one of binding votes, it was one of conscience.
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Sky News political editor David Speers asks about the costs of abatement. Hunt says the costs between 2018-2030 will be $2.4bn – a very manageable cost.Sky News political editor David Speers asks about the costs of abatement. Hunt says the costs between 2018-2030 will be $2.4bn – a very manageable cost.
Speers points out that assumes the government can achieve abatement at an effective carbon price of $14 a tonne. Will you get abatement at $14 a tonne? Hunt says he wont speculate because it’s a commercial bidding process.Speers points out that assumes the government can achieve abatement at an effective carbon price of $14 a tonne. Will you get abatement at $14 a tonne? Hunt says he wont speculate because it’s a commercial bidding process.
In the event the budget blows out, will the government spend more or will it miss the target? Hunt initially shrugged that off as a hypothetical, then said what the government usually says about this: our expenditure is always on a capped basis.In the event the budget blows out, will the government spend more or will it miss the target? Hunt initially shrugged that off as a hypothetical, then said what the government usually says about this: our expenditure is always on a capped basis.
That means the government won’t spend more. It will miss the target.That means the government won’t spend more. It will miss the target.
Hunt was asked about policies keeping to pledges on 2 degrees warming. He said the UN-led talks in Paris won’t tie everything off. He says the world could undertake another pledging round in five years.Hunt was asked about policies keeping to pledges on 2 degrees warming. He said the UN-led talks in Paris won’t tie everything off. He says the world could undertake another pledging round in five years.
Speers asks when the government will reveal penalties for business who pollute too much. Hunt said the government will release a paper on that in the coming weeks.Speers asks when the government will reveal penalties for business who pollute too much. Hunt said the government will release a paper on that in the coming weeks.
Q: Will the penalties be serious?Q: Will the penalties be serious?
There are provisions to deal with rogue emitters.There are provisions to deal with rogue emitters.
Q: Financial penalties?Q: Financial penalties?
Yes.Yes.
But he adds the system is about meaningful baselines and safeguards, not about punishments.But he adds the system is about meaningful baselines and safeguards, not about punishments.
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Environment minister Greg Hunt is on Sky News, trying to steer the conversation back to emissions reduction that won’t club the economy.Environment minister Greg Hunt is on Sky News, trying to steer the conversation back to emissions reduction that won’t club the economy.
He references the United States target but more precisely than the prime minister – Australia has the same headline cut, but on a different time frame.He references the United States target but more precisely than the prime minister – Australia has the same headline cut, but on a different time frame.
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A journey of ignorance and hate to acceptance and loveA journey of ignorance and hate to acceptance and love
I didn’t get to share this before question time, but it’s a contribution well worth your time this afternoon. The Labor MP Tim Watts today shared a story of his Uncle Derek, who died of Aids in rural Queensland in the 1980s.I didn’t get to share this before question time, but it’s a contribution well worth your time this afternoon. The Labor MP Tim Watts today shared a story of his Uncle Derek, who died of Aids in rural Queensland in the 1980s.
Watts told the chamber his plan was to contribute a very clinical speech in support of same-sex marriage, but his plans changed when he read the government Senate leader Eric Abetz’s characterisation of gay men during yesterday’s marathon same-sex marriage debate.Watts told the chamber his plan was to contribute a very clinical speech in support of same-sex marriage, but his plans changed when he read the government Senate leader Eric Abetz’s characterisation of gay men during yesterday’s marathon same-sex marriage debate.
Believe it or not, not all gay men are Italian fashion designers.Believe it or not, not all gay men are Italian fashion designers.
Updated at 3.30pm AEST Updated at 5.03pm AEST
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Labor’s climate spokesman Mark Butler persists on the modelling.Labor’s climate spokesman Mark Butler persists on the modelling.
Q: It’s been reported today that government modelling shows that an emissions target of 45% reduction would mean a cut of between 0.5% and 0.7% of GDP. Does the prime minister still stand by the answer he just gave?Q: It’s been reported today that government modelling shows that an emissions target of 45% reduction would mean a cut of between 0.5% and 0.7% of GDP. Does the prime minister still stand by the answer he just gave?
Butler is referring to Lenore Taylor’s story this morning that I linked to earlier in the day. She’s seen the as-yet unreleased modelling.Butler is referring to Lenore Taylor’s story this morning that I linked to earlier in the day. She’s seen the as-yet unreleased modelling.
Here’s Lenore:Here’s Lenore:
The government’s modelling showed that the 26% target would shave between 0.2% and 0.3% from Australian GDP in 2030, but the same modelling found a 35% target would cut only 0.3% to 0.5% and a 45% target would cut between 0.5% and 0.7%. (The modelling looked at the costs of doing no more after the 2020 target was reached, and of cutting by 26% by 2030, by 25% and by 45%.)The government’s modelling showed that the 26% target would shave between 0.2% and 0.3% from Australian GDP in 2030, but the same modelling found a 35% target would cut only 0.3% to 0.5% and a 45% target would cut between 0.5% and 0.7%. (The modelling looked at the costs of doing no more after the 2020 target was reached, and of cutting by 26% by 2030, by 25% and by 45%.)
This is obviously quite different to the 2% Abbott just referenced in his answer to Plibersek. Abbott avoids the contradiction by talking about other modelling commissioned by the former Labor government and throws in a “Carbon Bill” for good measure.This is obviously quite different to the 2% Abbott just referenced in his answer to Plibersek. Abbott avoids the contradiction by talking about other modelling commissioned by the former Labor government and throws in a “Carbon Bill” for good measure.
Further questions have been placed on the notice paper.Further questions have been placed on the notice paper.
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I note the interwebz is fired up about this terrific chamber shot from Mike Bowers of the treasurer Joe Hockey.I note the interwebz is fired up about this terrific chamber shot from Mike Bowers of the treasurer Joe Hockey.
.@rs200077 @BrettLeeRetired @mpbowers @murpharoo @GuardianAus @sports_banter @On_Da_Ball #qt pic.twitter.com/ZXfAKkeJZS.@rs200077 @BrettLeeRetired @mpbowers @murpharoo @GuardianAus @sports_banter @On_Da_Ball #qt pic.twitter.com/ZXfAKkeJZS
@BrettLeeRetired @mpbowers @RedJules4 @murpharoo @GuardianAus @sports_banter @On_Da_Ball Token Joe the new Pavarotti pic.twitter.com/BA2knK8dqC@BrettLeeRetired @mpbowers @RedJules4 @murpharoo @GuardianAus @sports_banter @On_Da_Ball Token Joe the new Pavarotti pic.twitter.com/BA2knK8dqC
But I need to sprint back to modelling, quick sticks.But I need to sprint back to modelling, quick sticks.
Updated at 3.10pm AESTUpdated at 3.10pm AEST
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Labor’s Tanya Plibersek wants to know if the prime minister stands by another statement in the House yesterday: that his government’s modelling shows a 40% cut results in a cut to GDP of 2%?Labor’s Tanya Plibersek wants to know if the prime minister stands by another statement in the House yesterday: that his government’s modelling shows a 40% cut results in a cut to GDP of 2%?
The prime minister says he does, yes.The prime minister says he does, yes.
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Is aspiration a target?Is aspiration a target?
Shorten asks the prime minister will he apologise for misleading the House yesterday when he said Australia’s post-2020 target was the same as America’s when the US target is about 40%, not 26-28%?Shorten asks the prime minister will he apologise for misleading the House yesterday when he said Australia’s post-2020 target was the same as America’s when the US target is about 40%, not 26-28%?
Speaker Smith would like misleading withdrawn because there are other forms of the House for dealing with such matters.Speaker Smith would like misleading withdrawn because there are other forms of the House for dealing with such matters.
Shorten drops misleading.Shorten drops misleading.
Abbott digs in as he answers.Abbott digs in as he answers.
The United States has no target beyond 26 to 28%.The United States has no target beyond 26 to 28%.
My understanding is the US has a two-tier target. The US has said it will reduce greenhouse emissions by 26% to 28% below 2005 levels in 2025 and aim for an 80% reduction by 2050.My understanding is the US has a two-tier target. The US has said it will reduce greenhouse emissions by 26% to 28% below 2005 levels in 2025 and aim for an 80% reduction by 2050.
The first tier involves action more quickly than the Australian road map. Perhaps the prime minister doesn’t regard aspiration as targets?The first tier involves action more quickly than the Australian road map. Perhaps the prime minister doesn’t regard aspiration as targets?
Updated at 3.12pm AESTUpdated at 3.12pm AEST
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If you won’t rule out increasing the GST, why did you promise 33 times not to increase the GST?If you won’t rule out increasing the GST, why did you promise 33 times not to increase the GST?
This question is from Labor’s Tony Burke to Tony Abbott. The prime minister says any increase will go to the voters at an election. Why don’t you join the conversation, the prime minister says. The jobs and growth conversation.This question is from Labor’s Tony Burke to Tony Abbott. The prime minister says any increase will go to the voters at an election. Why don’t you join the conversation, the prime minister says. The jobs and growth conversation.
Funny, Wayne Swan used to have that same conversation all the time he was in treasury portfolio in the previous Rudd and Gillard governments.Funny, Wayne Swan used to have that same conversation all the time he was in treasury portfolio in the previous Rudd and Gillard governments.
Jobs and growth. Same mantra.Jobs and growth. Same mantra.
Updated at 3.13pm AESTUpdated at 3.13pm AEST
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Put down the props, Speaker Smith says. On the seat.Put down the props, Speaker Smith says. On the seat.
Updated at 3.14pm AESTUpdated at 3.14pm AEST
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The shadow treasurer, Chris Bowen, asks the prime minister why, if he’s concerned about dudding voters by saying one thing before an election and doing another after it, he won’t rule out increasing the GST? Abbott says he won’t shut down a sensible conversation about tax reform.The shadow treasurer, Chris Bowen, asks the prime minister why, if he’s concerned about dudding voters by saying one thing before an election and doing another after it, he won’t rule out increasing the GST? Abbott says he won’t shut down a sensible conversation about tax reform.
I’m not going to rule out a sensible conversation about a better tax system.I’m not going to rule out a sensible conversation about a better tax system.
The prime minister says any tax increase would go to the voters at the election, because the government keeps faith with the voters.The prime minister says any tax increase would go to the voters at the election, because the government keeps faith with the voters.
Updated at 3.15pm AESTUpdated at 3.15pm AEST
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Since Speaker Smith’s ascension to the chair, Labor has been trying to persuade him to bump questions from the government that ask for reflections on opposition policies. The relevant locution is always does the minister know about any alternative policies? Smith is not inclined to give Labor what it wants. I’m reserving judgment on Smith’s performance in the chair, but I’d note that thus far the new Speaker is pretty straight bat.Since Speaker Smith’s ascension to the chair, Labor has been trying to persuade him to bump questions from the government that ask for reflections on opposition policies. The relevant locution is always does the minister know about any alternative policies? Smith is not inclined to give Labor what it wants. I’m reserving judgment on Smith’s performance in the chair, but I’d note that thus far the new Speaker is pretty straight bat.
Shorten asks Abbott whether he’ll sack any frontbencher crossing the floor on same-sex marriage.Shorten asks Abbott whether he’ll sack any frontbencher crossing the floor on same-sex marriage.
The prime minister says he doesn’t run a Stalinist party. Some laughter at that from the opposition bench.The prime minister says he doesn’t run a Stalinist party. Some laughter at that from the opposition bench.
Abbott says members of the executive, as usual, as always, are bound by the policy of the government.Abbott says members of the executive, as usual, as always, are bound by the policy of the government.
Updated at 3.17pm AESTUpdated at 3.17pm AEST
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Bill Shorten to Tony Abbott. How can Abbott claim to lead the party of the individual when he won’t allow a conscience vote?Bill Shorten to Tony Abbott. How can Abbott claim to lead the party of the individual when he won’t allow a conscience vote?
The prime minister is running Shorten through the results of last night. He tells Shorten voters will have a clear choice going forward, given the government has a strong disposition to put this matter to the people.The prime minister is running Shorten through the results of last night. He tells Shorten voters will have a clear choice going forward, given the government has a strong disposition to put this matter to the people.
Tony Abbott:Tony Abbott:
Over there they want the politicians choice and over here, we want the people’s choice – and what could be fairer than leaving this to the people of Australia?Over there they want the politicians choice and over here, we want the people’s choice – and what could be fairer than leaving this to the people of Australia?
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First Dorothy Dixer is on emissions reduction targets, to Tony Abbott. Better than Japan, better than Korea, vastly better than China, a whisker below Canada and New Zealand, Abbott says of the 26-28% cut on 2005 levels by 2030. Much better than the Labor party. It just has that wicked carbon tax.First Dorothy Dixer is on emissions reduction targets, to Tony Abbott. Better than Japan, better than Korea, vastly better than China, a whisker below Canada and New Zealand, Abbott says of the 26-28% cut on 2005 levels by 2030. Much better than the Labor party. It just has that wicked carbon tax.
Labor backbencher Pat Conroy takes a point of order. The question was about the government’s dog of a policy not any other policy.Labor backbencher Pat Conroy takes a point of order. The question was about the government’s dog of a policy not any other policy.
Speaker Smith deems dog offensive and asks that Conroy withdraw.Speaker Smith deems dog offensive and asks that Conroy withdraw.
2.11pm AEST05:112.11pm AEST05:11
First question from Labor. Will the cross party same-sex marriage bill come to a vote this year? The question is to Tony Abbott. The prime minister says the bill will be treated exactly the same way as any other bill that comes before the House.First question from Labor. Will the cross party same-sex marriage bill come to a vote this year? The question is to Tony Abbott. The prime minister says the bill will be treated exactly the same way as any other bill that comes before the House.
Tony Abbott:Tony Abbott:
No special treatment, no favouritism.No special treatment, no favouritism.
Updated at 2.13pm AESTUpdated at 2.13pm AEST
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Question timeQuestion time
The hour of glower is opening with statements noting the passing of the former MP Alby Schultz, who passed away recently after illness. Tony Abbott and Bill Shorten are making contributions in the debate now.The hour of glower is opening with statements noting the passing of the former MP Alby Schultz, who passed away recently after illness. Tony Abbott and Bill Shorten are making contributions in the debate now.
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Labor’s deputy leader Tanya Plibersek is taking the opportunity of member’s statements before question time to deliver a down-the-barrel monologue to same-sex attracted kids, and to kids in families with same-sex parents. Plibersek is telling young people not to lose heart and hope about the legalisation of same-sex marriage. She says kids with two mums and two dads don’t need to worry about their families – their families are just fine.Labor’s deputy leader Tanya Plibersek is taking the opportunity of member’s statements before question time to deliver a down-the-barrel monologue to same-sex attracted kids, and to kids in families with same-sex parents. Plibersek is telling young people not to lose heart and hope about the legalisation of same-sex marriage. She says kids with two mums and two dads don’t need to worry about their families – their families are just fine.
Updated at 2.14pm AESTUpdated at 2.14pm AEST
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Liberal senator Simon Birmingham, a same-sex marriage supporter, is on the ABC and bringing characteristic diplomacy to the same-sex marriage washup. He’s very open to hearing what people think about a plebiscite to resolve the issue, but plebiscites come at a cost, he notes.Liberal senator Simon Birmingham, a same-sex marriage supporter, is on the ABC and bringing characteristic diplomacy to the same-sex marriage washup. He’s very open to hearing what people think about a plebiscite to resolve the issue, but plebiscites come at a cost, he notes.
What does he think about a plebiscite as a concept?What does he think about a plebiscite as a concept?
It’s never been seriously on the agenda in Australia before.It’s never been seriously on the agenda in Australia before.
Updated at 1.59pm AESTUpdated at 1.59pm AEST
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Dennis Shanahan from the Australian thinks the communications minister, Malcolm Turnbull, has undercut the prime minister’s “strategic success” on same-sex marriage.Dennis Shanahan from the Australian thinks the communications minister, Malcolm Turnbull, has undercut the prime minister’s “strategic success” on same-sex marriage.
Malcolm Turnbull has defied his leader and the party room over same-sex marriage and ratcheted up a sense of crisis within the Liberal party. The former Liberal leader, who was agitated at yesterday’s meetings and disappointed with the result, has immediately undercut the prime minister’s strategic success in getting a majority result from the Coalition parties on the divisive issue of same-sex marriage. Abbott was enjoying an enhancement of his leadership ...Malcolm Turnbull has defied his leader and the party room over same-sex marriage and ratcheted up a sense of crisis within the Liberal party. The former Liberal leader, who was agitated at yesterday’s meetings and disappointed with the result, has immediately undercut the prime minister’s strategic success in getting a majority result from the Coalition parties on the divisive issue of same-sex marriage. Abbott was enjoying an enhancement of his leadership ...
Was he?Was he?
Confess I missed that.Confess I missed that.
Updated at 1.54pm AESTUpdated at 1.54pm AEST
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The trade minister is asked whether Australia legalising same-sex marriage would cause us problems in Asia. Readers might recall agriculture minister Barnaby Joyce made that argument a month ago.The trade minister is asked whether Australia legalising same-sex marriage would cause us problems in Asia. Readers might recall agriculture minister Barnaby Joyce made that argument a month ago.
Ah, no, says Robb.Ah, no, says Robb.
From my observation, social issues tend not to be a factor in a lot of agreements in trade.From my observation, social issues tend not to be a factor in a lot of agreements in trade.
Updated at 1.55pm AESTUpdated at 1.55pm AEST
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Updated at 1.56pm AESTUpdated at 1.56pm AEST
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Turnbull’s cabinet colleague Andrew Robb is speaking at the National Press Club about his trade portfolio. He’s basically arguing that multilateral trade deals are hard, really hard. Which is why Australia has been pursuing bilateral deals like the China free-trade agreement – a deal that Robb says will be as significant economically in 20 years’ time as floating the dollar in the 1980s.Turnbull’s cabinet colleague Andrew Robb is speaking at the National Press Club about his trade portfolio. He’s basically arguing that multilateral trade deals are hard, really hard. Which is why Australia has been pursuing bilateral deals like the China free-trade agreement – a deal that Robb says will be as significant economically in 20 years’ time as floating the dollar in the 1980s.
Notwithstanding China’s importance to the Australian economy and the global economy, this seems a rather large call.Notwithstanding China’s importance to the Australian economy and the global economy, this seems a rather large call.
Robb is being asked now about live asses by my neighbour Shane Wright, the economics correspondent for the West Australian newspaper. The trade in live asses.Robb is being asked now about live asses by my neighbour Shane Wright, the economics correspondent for the West Australian newspaper. The trade in live asses.
Robb deadpans.Robb deadpans.
A great opportunity.A great opportunity.
Updated at 1.58pm AESTUpdated at 1.58pm AEST
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Malcolm Turnbull really is king of the intra-day surgical strike.Malcolm Turnbull really is king of the intra-day surgical strike.
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The reason I haven’t advocated a plebiscite, but I note the prime minister has said he is disposed to having one ...The reason I haven’t advocated a plebiscite, but I note the prime minister has said he is disposed to having one ...
Malcolm Turnbull effectively says plebiscite on #SSM an election distraction @FinancialReview #auspol pic.twitter.com/vbITGENqBxMalcolm Turnbull effectively says plebiscite on #SSM an election distraction @FinancialReview #auspol pic.twitter.com/vbITGENqBx
Updated at 1.29pm AESTUpdated at 1.29pm AEST
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A policy as yet unformedA policy as yet unformed
Here’s the full exchange.Here’s the full exchange.
Q: Can I ask you about the outcome of the party room meeting last night? What did you think of it? What did you think of the idea of some sort of plebiscite?Q: Can I ask you about the outcome of the party room meeting last night? What did you think of it? What did you think of the idea of some sort of plebiscite?
Malcolm Turnbull:Malcolm Turnbull:
I have supported for a long time a free vote on this issue. I made that point before the election. As Tony Abbott conceded last night, that is consistent with Liberal party tradition although he made the point, because of the 2004 amendment, it wasn’t appropriate in this case but that has been very much in the Liberal party tradition.I have supported for a long time a free vote on this issue. I made that point before the election. As Tony Abbott conceded last night, that is consistent with Liberal party tradition although he made the point, because of the 2004 amendment, it wasn’t appropriate in this case but that has been very much in the Liberal party tradition.
While this issue of marriage equality is a very important one, and very important to many of my constituents, and if there were a free vote I would vote in favour of it, there are a lot of other very big issues. Telecommunications, innovation, economic growth, jobs, the Productivity Commission’s report on industrial relations. There is a huge number of big issues.While this issue of marriage equality is a very important one, and very important to many of my constituents, and if there were a free vote I would vote in favour of it, there are a lot of other very big issues. Telecommunications, innovation, economic growth, jobs, the Productivity Commission’s report on industrial relations. There is a huge number of big issues.
So one of the attractions of a free vote is that it would have meant the matter would be resolved in this parliament one way or another in a couple of weeks. The reason I have not advocated a plebiscite, but I note the prime minister has said he is disposed to having one ... the reason I haven’t advocated a plebiscite after the next election is that it would mean, it will mean, that this issue is a live issue all the way up to the next election and, indeed, at the next election and, if we are returned to office, it will be a very live issue in the lead-up to the plebiscite itself.So one of the attractions of a free vote is that it would have meant the matter would be resolved in this parliament one way or another in a couple of weeks. The reason I have not advocated a plebiscite, but I note the prime minister has said he is disposed to having one ... the reason I haven’t advocated a plebiscite after the next election is that it would mean, it will mean, that this issue is a live issue all the way up to the next election and, indeed, at the next election and, if we are returned to office, it will be a very live issue in the lead-up to the plebiscite itself.
I want to be clear. I think it is an important issue but I would – particularly between now and the election – the more time I can talk about the economy, about jobs, about innovation, about digital technology and digital efficiency, the happier I’ll be.I want to be clear. I think it is an important issue but I would – particularly between now and the election – the more time I can talk about the economy, about jobs, about innovation, about digital technology and digital efficiency, the happier I’ll be.
Q: What’s the way forward for you on this issue?Q: What’s the way forward for you on this issue?
The party room decision last night was that there would not be a free vote in this parliament. As to the prime minister has described the – expressed a disposition to having some form of public vote, a plebiscite or a referendum after the next election, but obviously that is a policy as yet unformed but it will presumably have to go through the normal cabinet process before it is fleshed out. But on that note, I may take my leave and wish you all a good day.The party room decision last night was that there would not be a free vote in this parliament. As to the prime minister has described the – expressed a disposition to having some form of public vote, a plebiscite or a referendum after the next election, but obviously that is a policy as yet unformed but it will presumably have to go through the normal cabinet process before it is fleshed out. But on that note, I may take my leave and wish you all a good day.
Updated at 1.29pm AESTUpdated at 1.29pm AEST
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Oh, hello MalcolmOh, hello Malcolm
The communications minister has found the cameras. More in sorrow than in anger, Malcolm Turnbull notes the lack of a conscience vote on same-sex marriage means the issue will drag on unresolved past the next election cycle.The communications minister has found the cameras. More in sorrow than in anger, Malcolm Turnbull notes the lack of a conscience vote on same-sex marriage means the issue will drag on unresolved past the next election cycle.
Turnbull said he supports a free vote. He noted the prime minister had conceded during last night’s party room debate that a free vote is consistent with Liberal party tradition. One of the attractions of a free vote is this matter would have been resolved expeditiously, he says.Turnbull said he supports a free vote. He noted the prime minister had conceded during last night’s party room debate that a free vote is consistent with Liberal party tradition. One of the attractions of a free vote is this matter would have been resolved expeditiously, he says.
Not now.Not now.
And about that plebiscite. Turnbull notes the prime minister has expressed a disposition in favour of the plebiscite. He notes that is not yet government policy. There will need to be a cabinet process to make that policy.And about that plebiscite. Turnbull notes the prime minister has expressed a disposition in favour of the plebiscite. He notes that is not yet government policy. There will need to be a cabinet process to make that policy.
The plebiscite is a policy as yet unformed.The plebiscite is a policy as yet unformed.
Updated at 1.22pm AESTUpdated at 1.22pm AEST
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There is a whirl of excitement in Canberra at the moment because it is snowing. Allegedly. I say allegedly because I haven’t seen any snow.There is a whirl of excitement in Canberra at the moment because it is snowing. Allegedly. I say allegedly because I haven’t seen any snow.
Only rain on this side of the building, @AboutTheHouse #nosnowOnly rain on this side of the building, @AboutTheHouse #nosnow
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Politics, this lunchtimePolitics, this lunchtime
Let’s take stock of events this Wednesday morning.Let’s take stock of events this Wednesday morning.
And so it goes.And so it goes.
Updated at 1.21pm AESTUpdated at 1.21pm AEST
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For folks wanting to refresh their memories about the roll call of marriage reform bills since John Howard inserted his discriminatory clause into the Marriage Act in 2004 – here’s a helpful chronology from the parliament.For folks wanting to refresh their memories about the roll call of marriage reform bills since John Howard inserted his discriminatory clause into the Marriage Act in 2004 – here’s a helpful chronology from the parliament.
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Well, Christopher has a wonderful turn of phrase ...Well, Christopher has a wonderful turn of phrase ...
The Liberal senator Simon Birmingham on his South Australian colleague Christopher Pyne’s observation yesterday that the prime minister was behaving like a branch-stacker in pushing the resolution of same-sex marriage into the joint party room rather than the Liberal party room.The Liberal senator Simon Birmingham on his South Australian colleague Christopher Pyne’s observation yesterday that the prime minister was behaving like a branch-stacker in pushing the resolution of same-sex marriage into the joint party room rather than the Liberal party room.
"Well Christopher has a wonderful turn of phrase sometimes and he is very witty and clever" - Birmingham on FiveAA pic.twitter.com/KiGCFSnmTi"Well Christopher has a wonderful turn of phrase sometimes and he is very witty and clever" - Birmingham on FiveAA pic.twitter.com/KiGCFSnmTi
Updated at 1.18pm AESTUpdated at 1.18pm AEST
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.@mpbowers's photo from Queanbeyan this morning reminds me of a scene from WALL-E pic.twitter.com/mhktXZ3Wqq.@mpbowers's photo from Queanbeyan this morning reminds me of a scene from WALL-E pic.twitter.com/mhktXZ3Wqq
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Hello, young people pursuing practical environmentalism that doesn’t club the economy.Hello, young people pursuing practical environmentalism that doesn’t club the economy.
How delightful to meet you.How delightful to meet you.
Updated at 1.16pm AESTUpdated at 1.16pm AEST
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Is this a sapling I see before me?Is this a sapling I see before me?
Mike Bowers on the photographic trail in Queanbeyan.Mike Bowers on the photographic trail in Queanbeyan.
Updated at 1.16pm AESTUpdated at 1.16pm AEST
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Abbott makes it clear he does not expect the cross-party bill to come to a vote. He also repeats his line from this morning: ministers need to abide by the government’s position on marriage. Don’t think about crossing the floor.Abbott makes it clear he does not expect the cross-party bill to come to a vote. He also repeats his line from this morning: ministers need to abide by the government’s position on marriage. Don’t think about crossing the floor.
I would expect the usual rules to apply.I would expect the usual rules to apply.
Updated at 1.14pm AESTUpdated at 1.14pm AEST
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The prime minister says the contrast between the government and Labor on marriage equality is the Coalition wants a people’s vote and Labor wants a parliamentary vote.The prime minister says the contrast between the government and Labor on marriage equality is the Coalition wants a people’s vote and Labor wants a parliamentary vote.
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Abbott rejects the Entsch push to have a plebiscite at the coming electionAbbott rejects the Entsch push to have a plebiscite at the coming election
Questions open on the plebiscite on same-sex marriage. Why not have it at the next election? Liberal Warren Entsch has called for that this morning, via my colleague Daniel Hurst.Questions open on the plebiscite on same-sex marriage. Why not have it at the next election? Liberal Warren Entsch has called for that this morning, via my colleague Daniel Hurst.
Abbott pushes the plebiscite out past the next election and into the next term of parliament. The next election needs to be a contest between two political movements and then we can all have a conversation about marriage equality, the prime minister says.Abbott pushes the plebiscite out past the next election and into the next term of parliament. The next election needs to be a contest between two political movements and then we can all have a conversation about marriage equality, the prime minister says.
Updated at 1.13pm AESTUpdated at 1.13pm AEST
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They work rain, hail or shine.They work rain, hail or shine.
That’s Greg Hunt, praising the green army, who must be like drowned rats in Queanbeyan.That’s Greg Hunt, praising the green army, who must be like drowned rats in Queanbeyan.
11.18am AEST02:1811.18am AEST02:18
Feral animals, and weeds, to be clear.Feral animals, and weeds, to be clear.
The prime minister wants to get back on the environment and his climate targets and practical environmentalism that doesn’t club the economy.The prime minister wants to get back on the environment and his climate targets and practical environmentalism that doesn’t club the economy.
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Tony Abbott addresses reporters in QueanbeyanTony Abbott addresses reporters in Queanbeyan
The prime minister is speaking about ferals in Queanbeyan, where the winter rain is hammering down. Unfortunate that today’s event is held in a park.The prime minister is speaking about ferals in Queanbeyan, where the winter rain is hammering down. Unfortunate that today’s event is held in a park.
Updated at 1.12pm AESTUpdated at 1.12pm AEST
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It continues to be open season on MPs and travel entitlements. The Daily Telegraph has a story about the attorney general, George Brandis, and a $6,000 water taxi in Venice.It continues to be open season on MPs and travel entitlements. The Daily Telegraph has a story about the attorney general, George Brandis, and a $6,000 water taxi in Venice.
The 12-hour water limo ride around the city was commissioned by Australia’s embassy in Rome, according to documents obtained under freedom of information. It claimed that it was the only boat left for hire in the entire archipelago.The 12-hour water limo ride around the city was commissioned by Australia’s embassy in Rome, according to documents obtained under freedom of information. It claimed that it was the only boat left for hire in the entire archipelago.
“All travel arrangements in Venice were a matter for the Australia ­embassy in Italy,” a spokesman for Brandis said. “Neither I nor my office requested a water taxi. I note that the embassy advised my department that a water taxi was the only transport option in Venice.”“All travel arrangements in Venice were a matter for the Australia ­embassy in Italy,” a spokesman for Brandis said. “Neither I nor my office requested a water taxi. I note that the embassy advised my department that a water taxi was the only transport option in Venice.”
Updated at 1.12pm AESTUpdated at 1.12pm AEST
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Mike Bowers brings you a sequence of the suspension motion.Mike Bowers brings you a sequence of the suspension motion.
Updated at 11.35am AESTUpdated at 11.35am AEST
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Eric Abetz: I am not a clownEric Abetz: I am not a clown
Perhaps stung by the Labor leader, Bill Shorten, describing him as a “clown” for telling colleagues in the party room last night that Dolce & Gabbana didn’t want to get married, Eric Abetz has issued a statement.Perhaps stung by the Labor leader, Bill Shorten, describing him as a “clown” for telling colleagues in the party room last night that Dolce & Gabbana didn’t want to get married, Eric Abetz has issued a statement.
The statement doesn’t explicitly reference Italian fashion designers and their lifestyle choices.The statement doesn’t explicitly reference Italian fashion designers and their lifestyle choices.
Eric Abetz:Eric Abetz:
Reports in the media today that I said that “gay men did not want to get married” are simply false. My view is well known. As I said at a public forum in Hobart last week, not all members of the gay community have the same view on this question.Reports in the media today that I said that “gay men did not want to get married” are simply false. My view is well known. As I said at a public forum in Hobart last week, not all members of the gay community have the same view on this question.
Basing a story on second- or third-hand reports of a party room discussion without any verification with me or my office is extremely poor journalism. It is even worse that the Labor leader, without knowing what was actually said, has chosen to accept this false report. But, of course, he has form in this approach.Basing a story on second- or third-hand reports of a party room discussion without any verification with me or my office is extremely poor journalism. It is even worse that the Labor leader, without knowing what was actually said, has chosen to accept this false report. But, of course, he has form in this approach.
Updated at 11.12am AESTUpdated at 11.12am AEST
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Tracking back, the prime minister, addressing reporters, earlier this morning.Tracking back, the prime minister, addressing reporters, earlier this morning.
Updated at 11.10am AESTUpdated at 11.10am AEST
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The division is under way now. Because there was a cross-current there at the start, let me quickly recap.The division is under way now. Because there was a cross-current there at the start, let me quickly recap.
The suspension motion will be defeated in a minute.The suspension motion will be defeated in a minute.
Updated at 11.46am AESTUpdated at 11.46am AEST
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I don’t deny this is a stunt but there are plenty of stunts in this place.I don’t deny this is a stunt but there are plenty of stunts in this place.
LDP senator David Leyonhjelm, a supporter of marriage equality.LDP senator David Leyonhjelm, a supporter of marriage equality.
The Senate president, Stephen Parry, tells him he has 44 seconds.The Senate president, Stephen Parry, tells him he has 44 seconds.
Leyonhjelm says if Liberals denied a conscience vote over the past 12 hours need a new home, there is another place that champions liberalism.Leyonhjelm says if Liberals denied a conscience vote over the past 12 hours need a new home, there is another place that champions liberalism.
My party will welcome you.My party will welcome you.
Updated at 10.55am AESTUpdated at 10.55am AEST
10.02am AEST01:0210.02am AEST01:02
The press conference has wrapped. The suspension in the Senate seems to have broken down into a procedural wrangle. The Greens have led the suspension effort this morning. Labor is objecting to a lack of consultation before moving the motion.The press conference has wrapped. The suspension in the Senate seems to have broken down into a procedural wrangle. The Greens have led the suspension effort this morning. Labor is objecting to a lack of consultation before moving the motion.
Labor senator Claire Moore:Labor senator Claire Moore:
The Labor party will not be supporting this methodology, to bring forward a debate that could happen in another way. The Greens will be trying to say we do not want to debate this issue. We have a clear record.The Labor party will not be supporting this methodology, to bring forward a debate that could happen in another way. The Greens will be trying to say we do not want to debate this issue. We have a clear record.
Updated at 10.54am AESTUpdated at 10.54am AEST
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I’ll tune in to the suspension shortly but am sticking with the press conference for now.I’ll tune in to the suspension shortly but am sticking with the press conference for now.
Q: Do you support the Climate Change Authority’s target of 40 to 60% reduction?Q: Do you support the Climate Change Authority’s target of 40 to 60% reduction?
Mark Butler:Mark Butler:
We have significant respect for the authority but there are other pieces of work that we will look to as well.We have significant respect for the authority but there are other pieces of work that we will look to as well.
Updated at 10.53am AESTUpdated at 10.53am AEST
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While Shorten and Butler are talking, the Greens are attempting to suspend the standing orders in the Senate to debate the following motion: that this parliament should act to end discrimination in the Marriage Act 1961.While Shorten and Butler are talking, the Greens are attempting to suspend the standing orders in the Senate to debate the following motion: that this parliament should act to end discrimination in the Marriage Act 1961.
Updated at 10.50am AESTUpdated at 10.50am AEST
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Good question.Good question.
Q: What is your emissions reduction? How can you criticise the Coalition’s target when Labor itself won’t commit to one?Q: What is your emissions reduction? How can you criticise the Coalition’s target when Labor itself won’t commit to one?
Shorten throws to Mark Butler.Shorten throws to Mark Butler.
What Bill and I and others have said about the targets released yesterday is they would squarely put Australia right at the back of the pack. There is no question about that.What Bill and I and others have said about the targets released yesterday is they would squarely put Australia right at the back of the pack. There is no question about that.
All of the countries to which we usually compare ourselves have targets significantly higher than Australia’s. The US over 2030 would be 41%, not 26%. The United Kingdom 48%. Germany 46%. There is no question Australia coming from the point of being the heaviest polluting country per head of population in the OECD is still going to be right at the back of the pack.All of the countries to which we usually compare ourselves have targets significantly higher than Australia’s. The US over 2030 would be 41%, not 26%. The United Kingdom 48%. Germany 46%. There is no question Australia coming from the point of being the heaviest polluting country per head of population in the OECD is still going to be right at the back of the pack.
As Bill said, we want to see the modelling, the data on which they have taken this decision and can convince the Australian people that this is in accordance with the commitment we made with 194 other countries to keep global warming to no more than 2 degrees celsius.As Bill said, we want to see the modelling, the data on which they have taken this decision and can convince the Australian people that this is in accordance with the commitment we made with 194 other countries to keep global warming to no more than 2 degrees celsius.
We need to see the modelling. We [also] need Tony Abbott to recognise that whatever the target is, Direct Action will not get us there.We need to see the modelling. We [also] need Tony Abbott to recognise that whatever the target is, Direct Action will not get us there.
Handing billions of dollars of taxpayers’ money to big polluters will not get us there.Handing billions of dollars of taxpayers’ money to big polluters will not get us there.
Updated at 10.50am AESTUpdated at 10.50am AEST
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Q: What do you make of reports that Eric Abetz argued to the party room last night that gay men don’t want to get married and citing the example of the Italian fashion designers Dolce and Gabbana?Q: What do you make of reports that Eric Abetz argued to the party room last night that gay men don’t want to get married and citing the example of the Italian fashion designers Dolce and Gabbana?
Bill Shorten:Bill Shorten:
Senator Eric Abetz is a clown.Senator Eric Abetz is a clown.
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Q: Would Labor support a plebiscite on same-sex marriage?Q: Would Labor support a plebiscite on same-sex marriage?
Bill Shorten:Bill Shorten:
There hasn’t been a plebiscite held in this country since 1976. It is a strategy to delay marriage equality. The quickest and best way to achieve marriage equality, if Mr Abbott continues on his path to oppose it, is to vote Labor at the next election.There hasn’t been a plebiscite held in this country since 1976. It is a strategy to delay marriage equality. The quickest and best way to achieve marriage equality, if Mr Abbott continues on his path to oppose it, is to vote Labor at the next election.
I promise all Australians within 100 days of being elected Labor will introduce a bill for marriage equality, and I am confident if we win the election there will be sufficient votes in this country to finally remove discrimination against people.I promise all Australians within 100 days of being elected Labor will introduce a bill for marriage equality, and I am confident if we win the election there will be sufficient votes in this country to finally remove discrimination against people.
Q: Would it be best to have a plebiscite at the same time as the next election to save money?Q: Would it be best to have a plebiscite at the same time as the next election to save money?
Can I make a sporting bet with you? Mr Abbott will never support marriage equality. When it comes time, if he gets re-elected at the next election, you can forget about marriage equality.Can I make a sporting bet with you? Mr Abbott will never support marriage equality. When it comes time, if he gets re-elected at the next election, you can forget about marriage equality.
The choices in this country: you either have Mr Abbott or you have marriage equality.The choices in this country: you either have Mr Abbott or you have marriage equality.
But you can’t have both.But you can’t have both.
Updated at 10.48am AESTUpdated at 10.48am AEST
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The Labor leader, Bill Shorten is at an event at the Australian National University with his climate spokesman, Mark Butler.The Labor leader, Bill Shorten is at an event at the Australian National University with his climate spokesman, Mark Butler.
Bill Shorten:Bill Shorten:
The Liberals are lurching from crisis to crisis, not dealing with the issues that a modern Australia thinks are important. They have no plan for jobs, no plan for renewable energy. It is time that Mr Abbott and the Liberals started to be a good government instead of the crisis-ridden circus that we have seen in the last 24 hours.The Liberals are lurching from crisis to crisis, not dealing with the issues that a modern Australia thinks are important. They have no plan for jobs, no plan for renewable energy. It is time that Mr Abbott and the Liberals started to be a good government instead of the crisis-ridden circus that we have seen in the last 24 hours.
Updated at 10.46am AESTUpdated at 10.46am AEST
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Entsch to Abbott: plebiscite with the next electionEntsch to Abbott: plebiscite with the next election
Daniel HurstDaniel Hurst
The Liberal MP Warren Entsch has called on Tony Abbott to allow a public vote on same-sex marriage to occur at the same time as the next election, despite the prime minister’s suggestion that such a plebiscite would not occur until some time in the next parliamentary term.The Liberal MP Warren Entsch has called on Tony Abbott to allow a public vote on same-sex marriage to occur at the same time as the next election, despite the prime minister’s suggestion that such a plebiscite would not occur until some time in the next parliamentary term.
Entsch met Abbott on Wednesday morning and told him he still planned to introduce his private member’s bill to allow same-sex marriage to parliament next week, undeterred by the Coalition’s decision during six hours of talks on Tuesday to not grant MPs a free vote.Entsch met Abbott on Wednesday morning and told him he still planned to introduce his private member’s bill to allow same-sex marriage to parliament next week, undeterred by the Coalition’s decision during six hours of talks on Tuesday to not grant MPs a free vote.
The prime minister signalled on Wednesday that the cross-party legislation may not even come to a vote on the floor of parliament, given that private members’ bills routinely lapse.The prime minister signalled on Wednesday that the cross-party legislation may not even come to a vote on the floor of parliament, given that private members’ bills routinely lapse.
Abbott conceded after the lengthy party room meeting that this was the last term when the Coalition could bind its MPs and senators to oppose same-sex marriage, and that it would formulate a policy ahead of the next election that could include a plebiscite or referendum.Abbott conceded after the lengthy party room meeting that this was the last term when the Coalition could bind its MPs and senators to oppose same-sex marriage, and that it would formulate a policy ahead of the next election that could include a plebiscite or referendum.
Entsch said he had asked to be involved in the policy development process and would like the public vote to occur at the same time as the next election, which is due in 2016.Entsch said he had asked to be involved in the policy development process and would like the public vote to occur at the same time as the next election, which is due in 2016.
Entsch:Entsch:
I think we need to do it as quickly as possible and not have it drag on. These sorts of issues have a tendency to be very emotive and whilst you see the best of both sides you also see the worst and the longer you let it go the more you’re going to see that type of attack from both sides. So let’s move, short and sharp, and let’s have it dealt with. We drag it on, it just festers there ... Let’s move quickly. Let’s do it. Let’s make the decision, and whoever wins the next election will be bound by it.I think we need to do it as quickly as possible and not have it drag on. These sorts of issues have a tendency to be very emotive and whilst you see the best of both sides you also see the worst and the longer you let it go the more you’re going to see that type of attack from both sides. So let’s move, short and sharp, and let’s have it dealt with. We drag it on, it just festers there ... Let’s move quickly. Let’s do it. Let’s make the decision, and whoever wins the next election will be bound by it.
Entsch said having the vote at the same time as the next election would also “save us a lot of money” and ensure everyone was voting.Entsch said having the vote at the same time as the next election would also “save us a lot of money” and ensure everyone was voting.
People are going to have to vote one way or the other ... otherwise we end up with a situation where you have those that say no in Australia somehow demeaning the Irish vote running around with percentages saying as to how many actually voted, somehow suggesting it was a lesser outcome than it was. If it’s tacked on to a national vote that means everyone is voting.People are going to have to vote one way or the other ... otherwise we end up with a situation where you have those that say no in Australia somehow demeaning the Irish vote running around with percentages saying as to how many actually voted, somehow suggesting it was a lesser outcome than it was. If it’s tacked on to a national vote that means everyone is voting.
Abbott has set out a longer timeframe, suggesting the plebiscite could occur some time after the next election during the subsequent three-year term. “There is the prospect of change in the next term of parliament if that is the will of the Australian people,” he told the ABC.Abbott has set out a longer timeframe, suggesting the plebiscite could occur some time after the next election during the subsequent three-year term. “There is the prospect of change in the next term of parliament if that is the will of the Australian people,” he told the ABC.
Updated at 10.40am AESTUpdated at 10.40am AEST
9.23am AEST00:239.23am AEST00:23
I’ve already noted that it was odd of the prime minister to suggest (during his radio interview this morning) the coal industry won’t go backwards under policies that are designed specifically to constrain carbon emissions. The argument is counter-intuitive.I’ve already noted that it was odd of the prime minister to suggest (during his radio interview this morning) the coal industry won’t go backwards under policies that are designed specifically to constrain carbon emissions. The argument is counter-intuitive.
Lenore Taylor has been chasing the materials underpinning the government’s new emissions targets for several days, and this morning has a scoop drawn from yet-to-be-released modelling on the impact of the targets.Lenore Taylor has been chasing the materials underpinning the government’s new emissions targets for several days, and this morning has a scoop drawn from yet-to-be-released modelling on the impact of the targets.
Her insight makes Abbott’s observation even odder.Her insight makes Abbott’s observation even odder.
Coal will be hit hardest by the Abbott government’s new greenhouse gas targets and global climate action – with a 14% cut in the value of coal production in 2030 due to the new Australian target and an 8% cut due to the policies of other countries.Coal will be hit hardest by the Abbott government’s new greenhouse gas targets and global climate action – with a 14% cut in the value of coal production in 2030 due to the new Australian target and an 8% cut due to the policies of other countries.
The forecasts for the sector that Tony Abbott has insisted is “good for humanity” and has “a big future as well as a big past” are contained in yet-to-be-released modelling provided to the government as it made the decision to promise that Australia would reduce emissions by between 26% and 28% of 2005 levels by 2030.The forecasts for the sector that Tony Abbott has insisted is “good for humanity” and has “a big future as well as a big past” are contained in yet-to-be-released modelling provided to the government as it made the decision to promise that Australia would reduce emissions by between 26% and 28% of 2005 levels by 2030.
Go. Figure.Go. Figure.
Updated at 10.36am AESTUpdated at 10.36am AEST
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From ABC24. Liberal senator Cory Bernardi on tricky tactics in yesterday’s party room meeting.From ABC24. Liberal senator Cory Bernardi on tricky tactics in yesterday’s party room meeting.
Q: Did you and your conservative colleagues organise to bring this issue of same-sex marriage to a head yesterday during the party room meeting?Q: Did you and your conservative colleagues organise to bring this issue of same-sex marriage to a head yesterday during the party room meeting?
Cory Bernardi:Cory Bernardi:
It was initially raised by Warren Entsch, an advocate for change, who said he wanted to have a discussion on the free vote. You can either allow them to drag on and [keep] haemorrhaging, it starts and lasts a long time. Or you can deal with them and cauterise whatever open wound is there.It was initially raised by Warren Entsch, an advocate for change, who said he wanted to have a discussion on the free vote. You can either allow them to drag on and [keep] haemorrhaging, it starts and lasts a long time. Or you can deal with them and cauterise whatever open wound is there.
Updated at 10.35am AESTUpdated at 10.35am AEST
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A couple of must-reads about the past 12 hours or so.A couple of must-reads about the past 12 hours or so.
Phil Coorey and Laura Tingle in the Australian Financial Review. Dolce & Gabbana didn’t get married so why should anyone else?Phil Coorey and Laura Tingle in the Australian Financial Review. Dolce & Gabbana didn’t get married so why should anyone else?
There were bitter fights between minsters. Eric Abetz and Michaelia Cash said ministers who supported gay marriage should resign their positions. Abetz contended that gay men didn’t really want to get married and pointed out that the Italian fashion designers Dolce & Gabbana never wed.There were bitter fights between minsters. Eric Abetz and Michaelia Cash said ministers who supported gay marriage should resign their positions. Abetz contended that gay men didn’t really want to get married and pointed out that the Italian fashion designers Dolce & Gabbana never wed.
Malcolm Turnbull, whose leadership was destroyed in 2009 when Abbott and others resigned on him to protest against his support for a carbon price, lashed back, saying it was “a good idea to keep the team together” given the Coalition’s poor standing in the polls.Malcolm Turnbull, whose leadership was destroyed in 2009 when Abbott and others resigned on him to protest against his support for a carbon price, lashed back, saying it was “a good idea to keep the team together” given the Coalition’s poor standing in the polls.
Turnbull said cabinet should have discussed the issue first and the assistant treasurer, Josh Frydenberg, said the refusal to change policy to a conscience vote flew in the face of the spirit of the party’s founder, Robert Menzies.Turnbull said cabinet should have discussed the issue first and the assistant treasurer, Josh Frydenberg, said the refusal to change policy to a conscience vote flew in the face of the spirit of the party’s founder, Robert Menzies.
Lenore Taylor, reflecting on the wash-up:Lenore Taylor, reflecting on the wash-up:
Even when he wins, he also loses. Same-sex marriage would have been a difficult issue for any Coalition prime minister, but Tony Abbott played it more like a factional warrior than a leader.Even when he wins, he also loses. Same-sex marriage would have been a difficult issue for any Coalition prime minister, but Tony Abbott played it more like a factional warrior than a leader.
After six hours of debate his preferred position won the night, but he didn’t resolve the issue, because he is on the wrong side of public opinion on this (a Crosby Textor poll showed 72% support) and, looking at global trends, the wrong side of history.After six hours of debate his preferred position won the night, but he didn’t resolve the issue, because he is on the wrong side of public opinion on this (a Crosby Textor poll showed 72% support) and, looking at global trends, the wrong side of history.
The government is veering towards chaotic process and open insurrection, with angry confusion and divisions in the cabinet and leadership group about strategy and direction. The prime minister’s judgment and authority is, once again, under question.The government is veering towards chaotic process and open insurrection, with angry confusion and divisions in the cabinet and leadership group about strategy and direction. The prime minister’s judgment and authority is, once again, under question.
Updated at 10.34am AESTUpdated at 10.34am AEST
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Tiny Tony TapesTiny Tony Tapes
The prime minister harking back to his student days this morning in the AM interview has prompted Kate Doak, a long-time contributor to my various live blog projects, to remind me about the wonderful Tiny Tony Tapes that hit the public domain courtesy of Kate while I was still at Fairfax Media.The prime minister harking back to his student days this morning in the AM interview has prompted Kate Doak, a long-time contributor to my various live blog projects, to remind me about the wonderful Tiny Tony Tapes that hit the public domain courtesy of Kate while I was still at Fairfax Media.
This recording is of an interview Abbott did in 1979 with the University of New England when he was president of the Sydney University SRC.This recording is of an interview Abbott did in 1979 with the University of New England when he was president of the Sydney University SRC.
At about the eight-minute mark, just after a reflection about whether the study of punk rock is a Marxist activity, Abbott is asked about representation for minority groups on campus.At about the eight-minute mark, just after a reflection about whether the study of punk rock is a Marxist activity, Abbott is asked about representation for minority groups on campus.
The future prime minister of Australia tells his host that minorities don’t need special representation.The future prime minister of Australia tells his host that minorities don’t need special representation.
Young Tony:Young Tony:
I’m very wary, I find it a little alarming, that people today tend to think of themselves not as members of the community but as women, blacks, migrants, homosexuals or whatever.I’m very wary, I find it a little alarming, that people today tend to think of themselves not as members of the community but as women, blacks, migrants, homosexuals or whatever.
Abbott says if the community is represented then so are minority groups.Abbott says if the community is represented then so are minority groups.
The whole conversation is a gem. Do have a listen if your day permits.The whole conversation is a gem. Do have a listen if your day permits.
Thanks muchly to Kate.Thanks muchly to Kate.
Updated at 10.31am AESTUpdated at 10.31am AEST
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Shalailah MedhoraShalailah Medhora
Brisk business in the corridor. We’ve had the prime minister, the treasurer, Joe Hockey, and Labor’s Senate leader, Penny Wong, hitting the airwaves in the past hour.Brisk business in the corridor. We’ve had the prime minister, the treasurer, Joe Hockey, and Labor’s Senate leader, Penny Wong, hitting the airwaves in the past hour.
Wong told Radio National the battle was not done and dusted.Wong told Radio National the battle was not done and dusted.
“I suspect the Senate is where some Liberals are going to have to decide if they have the courage to show their convictions. What we saw yesterday was an exercise in raw power by a man who is prepared to do anything, including dividing his cabinet, to get his own way,” she said of Tony Abbott, who she described as “yesterday’s man”.“I suspect the Senate is where some Liberals are going to have to decide if they have the courage to show their convictions. What we saw yesterday was an exercise in raw power by a man who is prepared to do anything, including dividing his cabinet, to get his own way,” she said of Tony Abbott, who she described as “yesterday’s man”.
Wong said that divisions within the Coalition would continue to fester. “There will be moves, because so many people in this parliament think it’s time. I think the majority of Australians think it’s time.”Wong said that divisions within the Coalition would continue to fester. “There will be moves, because so many people in this parliament think it’s time. I think the majority of Australians think it’s time.”
She thought that the issue should be settled via legislation. “This is the job for parliament,” she said. “A plebiscite is simply the parliament refusing to do its job. There will be a vote on this – it’s the next election.”She thought that the issue should be settled via legislation. “This is the job for parliament,” she said. “A plebiscite is simply the parliament refusing to do its job. There will be a vote on this – it’s the next election.”
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The back half of the AM interview was concerned with the government’s other big policy issue from Tuesday – new emissions reductions targets post-2020 – and with the government’s political fortunes more generally.The back half of the AM interview was concerned with the government’s other big policy issue from Tuesday – new emissions reductions targets post-2020 – and with the government’s political fortunes more generally.
Abbott was asked about the polls. Polls go up and polls go down, the prime minister said. Isn’t your problem the polls haven’t gone up for 15 months, Brissenden inquired? Abbott said he was confident the government was doing exactly what it was elected to do.Abbott was asked about the polls. Polls go up and polls go down, the prime minister said. Isn’t your problem the polls haven’t gone up for 15 months, Brissenden inquired? Abbott said he was confident the government was doing exactly what it was elected to do.
Sure there’s a lot of political static. The intensity of politics seems to be increasing all the time.Sure there’s a lot of political static. The intensity of politics seems to be increasing all the time.
But Abbott says if you want competence and stability, stick with the Coalition.But Abbott says if you want competence and stability, stick with the Coalition.
He defended the post-2020 target as responsible and achievable, a target that won’t clobber jobs and growth.He defended the post-2020 target as responsible and achievable, a target that won’t clobber jobs and growth.
Abbott told his host constraining emissions won’t hurt the coal industry (which seems a contradiction in basic logic).Abbott told his host constraining emissions won’t hurt the coal industry (which seems a contradiction in basic logic).
We are not expecting a reduction in the coal industry. Some mines will close and others will open.We are not expecting a reduction in the coal industry. Some mines will close and others will open.
Abbott reasons that expanding Australia’s coal industry helps developing countries reduce their emissions intensity because our coal is better than theirs.Abbott reasons that expanding Australia’s coal industry helps developing countries reduce their emissions intensity because our coal is better than theirs.
Renewables? Jobs of the future?Renewables? Jobs of the future?
Well, Michael, they are highly subsidised jobs. Without the subsidy we wouldn’t have renewables on anything like the scale we do.Well, Michael, they are highly subsidised jobs. Without the subsidy we wouldn’t have renewables on anything like the scale we do.
(What have renewables done for anyone lately?)(What have renewables done for anyone lately?)
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Good morning, good peopleGood morning, good people
Good morning blogans, bloganistas and welcome to the morning after the night before. Last night the Coalition met for six hours to thrash out its position on same-sex marriage and resolved to preserve the status quo, with fine print.Good morning blogans, bloganistas and welcome to the morning after the night before. Last night the Coalition met for six hours to thrash out its position on same-sex marriage and resolved to preserve the status quo, with fine print.
The prime minister told reporters about 10pm that the Coalition would defend heterosexual marriage for this term of parliament but the government may take a reform position to voters at the next election, which may be either a conscience vote, a plebiscite or a constitutional referendum. This is known in the trade as speaking out both sides of your mouth. Here you are voters: take our same-sex marriage smorgasbord.The prime minister told reporters about 10pm that the Coalition would defend heterosexual marriage for this term of parliament but the government may take a reform position to voters at the next election, which may be either a conscience vote, a plebiscite or a constitutional referendum. This is known in the trade as speaking out both sides of your mouth. Here you are voters: take our same-sex marriage smorgasbord.
This morning, the prime minister presented himself to the ABC bright and early to explain the smorgasbord to Australia’s commuters. In so doing Abbott told his host, Michael Brissenden, the cross-party same-sex marriage bill, which is on its way to federal parliament next week, may not come to a vote.This morning, the prime minister presented himself to the ABC bright and early to explain the smorgasbord to Australia’s commuters. In so doing Abbott told his host, Michael Brissenden, the cross-party same-sex marriage bill, which is on its way to federal parliament next week, may not come to a vote.
Tony Abbott:Tony Abbott:
Let’s see where things go. We don’t actually know what the bill provides at this point.Let’s see where things go. We don’t actually know what the bill provides at this point.
He’s indicated that if the bill hits the house and manages to come to a vote, backbenchers are entitled to exercise their personal views.He’s indicated that if the bill hits the house and manages to come to a vote, backbenchers are entitled to exercise their personal views.
There’s a but though.There’s a but though.
I would be disappointed if they went against the party position.I would be disappointed if they went against the party position.
Abbott told listeners it was reasonable to wait a bit longer to legalise same-sex marriage given that it’s really only this generation that has ever thought of this. He says when he was at university, the idea of gay people wanting something as bourgeois as marriage would have been laughable.Abbott told listeners it was reasonable to wait a bit longer to legalise same-sex marriage given that it’s really only this generation that has ever thought of this. He says when he was at university, the idea of gay people wanting something as bourgeois as marriage would have been laughable.
Brissenden presented the prime minister with polling that suggests a clear majority of voters support marriage equality. Yes, sure, the prime minister said, but legalising same-sex marriage is a subject on which many people have very deep feelings. Abbott said he was respecting those deep feelings.Brissenden presented the prime minister with polling that suggests a clear majority of voters support marriage equality. Yes, sure, the prime minister said, but legalising same-sex marriage is a subject on which many people have very deep feelings. Abbott said he was respecting those deep feelings.
Well the prime minister is certainly resolved to respect some deep feelings in the debate, and frustrate the deep feelings that don’t conform with his deep feelings.Well the prime minister is certainly resolved to respect some deep feelings in the debate, and frustrate the deep feelings that don’t conform with his deep feelings.
That’s actually the truth of the matter and it’s the danger for Abbott in this. I don’t think same-sex marriage will define the outcome of the next federal election, but Abbott’s ambivalence about the future and his discomfort with contemporary community attitudes can easily reinforce a feeling that this prime minister governs for a tetchy minority of special interests that reflect his world views, not for the political centre.That’s actually the truth of the matter and it’s the danger for Abbott in this. I don’t think same-sex marriage will define the outcome of the next federal election, but Abbott’s ambivalence about the future and his discomfort with contemporary community attitudes can easily reinforce a feeling that this prime minister governs for a tetchy minority of special interests that reflect his world views, not for the political centre.
That’s his vulnerability here.That’s his vulnerability here.
Quite a lot more in that interview. I’ll get to that in the next few posts but first let’s get cracking with our politics live conversation. The thread is open for your business. You can also reach Mikearoo and me on the twits @murpharoo and @mpbowersQuite a lot more in that interview. I’ll get to that in the next few posts but first let’s get cracking with our politics live conversation. The thread is open for your business. You can also reach Mikearoo and me on the twits @murpharoo and @mpbowers
Buckle up. Here comes Wednesday.Buckle up. Here comes Wednesday.
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