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| EU referendum live: Cameron condones ITV debate attacks on Johnson, saying debates 'get lively' | |
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| Cameron has finished. They are now giving him his score. Online, he gets 42% approval, and 58% disapproval. Amongst the audience he gets 58% approval, and 42% disapproval. | Cameron has finished. They are now giving him his score. Online, he gets 42% approval, and 58% disapproval. Amongst the audience he gets 58% approval, and 42% disapproval. |
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| 17:42 | 17:42 |
| Cameron says he does not accept the idea that his campaign is “Project Fear”. | Cameron says he does not accept the idea that his campaign is “Project Fear”. |
| If he told people to ignore the views of the governor of the Bank of England, he would be being irresponsible. | If he told people to ignore the views of the governor of the Bank of England, he would be being irresponsible. |
| He says Leave just shout “Project Fear” when concerns are raised. | He says Leave just shout “Project Fear” when concerns are raised. |
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| 17:39 | 17:39 |
| Cameron is winding up now. | Cameron is winding up now. |
| He says people should use the referendum to reject Nigel Farage’s view of Britain. | He says people should use the referendum to reject Nigel Farage’s view of Britain. |
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| 17:37 | 17:37 |
| Q: If there is a Brexit, will you have Boris Johnson in your cabinet? | Q: If there is a Brexit, will you have Boris Johnson in your cabinet? |
| Cameron says he wants to bring people together after the referendum. He says he wants his strongest players in the team. Johnson was a good mayor. | Cameron says he wants to bring people together after the referendum. He says he wants his strongest players in the team. Johnson was a good mayor. |
| Q; Do you stay up at night worrying about this? | Q; Do you stay up at night worrying about this? |
| Cameron says he is very concerned about this, because it is more important than an election. | Cameron says he is very concerned about this, because it is more important than an election. |
| Q: Could you lose? | Q: Could you lose? |
| Cameron says there is nothing to compare it with. It is “very competitive” out there. | Cameron says there is nothing to compare it with. It is “very competitive” out there. |
| In an election, when people say they are undecided, that normally means they won’t vote for you. But in this contest people are genuinely undecided. | In an election, when people say they are undecided, that normally means they won’t vote for you. But in this contest people are genuinely undecided. |
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| 17:33 | 17:33 |
| Cameron condones ITV debate attacks on Johnson, saying debates “get lively” | |
| Q: How is the Conservative party going to come back together after this? | Q: How is the Conservative party going to come back together after this? |
| Camerons says it has been a passionate debate. But they all agree that it is right to hold a referendum, and to obey the instructions afterwards. | Camerons says it has been a passionate debate. But they all agree that it is right to hold a referendum, and to obey the instructions afterwards. |
| He thinks that will happen, he says. | He thinks that will happen, he says. |
| Q: Some MPs have said if there is a vote to leave, they will try to block that. | Q: Some MPs have said if there is a vote to leave, they will try to block that. |
| Cameron says he does not accept that. Parliament should and would accept the will of the people. | |
| Q: How do you feel about the insults directed at Boris Johnson? | Q: How do you feel about the insults directed at Boris Johnson? |
| I’ve done these debates. They are lively affairs and that’s the way it is. I’m going to spend all my time, if I can, in the next 13 days on the arguments. | |
| Q: Why won’t you debate Johnson? | Q: Why won’t you debate Johnson? |
| Cameron says he does not want this to be the Dave v Boris show. | Cameron says he does not want this to be the Dave v Boris show. |
| And he likes doing town hall meetings like this, engaging with people directly. | And he likes doing town hall meetings like this, engaging with people directly. |
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| 17:29 | 17:29 |
| Q: This government discriminates against non-EU migrants. | Q: This government discriminates against non-EU migrants. |
| Cameron says he does not accept that. | Cameron says he does not accept that. |
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| 17:28 | 17:28 |
| Q: Given we have been members of the EU for 40 years, why is there so little affection for it? | Q: Given we have been members of the EU for 40 years, why is there so little affection for it? |
| Cameron says our history is different. We have never been invaded. People have a practical view of it, not a national view. | Cameron says our history is different. We have never been invaded. People have a practical view of it, not a national view. |
| Other Europeans have a more emotional view of it, because they have had a history of invasion. | Other Europeans have a more emotional view of it, because they have had a history of invasion. |
| He says, as Churchill says, we may not be of Europe but we are with Europe. | He says, as Churchill says, we may not be of Europe but we are with Europe. |
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| 17:26 | 17:26 |
| Q: I’m an Indian national working in the NHS. I have to spent a lot of money in visas fees proving I can be here. Yet EU citizens can come in without proving anything. That makes me feel I am not valued. | Q: I’m an Indian national working in the NHS. I have to spent a lot of money in visas fees proving I can be here. Yet EU citizens can come in without proving anything. That makes me feel I am not valued. |
| Cameron says the single market means Britons can go and work in the EU, as well as enabling EU citizens to come here. The rules are different, he accepts. But he says having a single market is good for Britain and British people. | Cameron says the single market means Britons can go and work in the EU, as well as enabling EU citizens to come here. The rules are different, he accepts. But he says having a single market is good for Britain and British people. |
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| Q: How would an increase in the minimum wage increase immigration? | Q: How would an increase in the minimum wage increase immigration? |
| Cameron says increasing the minimum wage is a good thing to do. He says there are good ways to control immigration and bad ways. Over the last five years the UK created more jobs than the rest of the EU. But those EU economies are now growing. | Cameron says increasing the minimum wage is a good thing to do. He says there are good ways to control immigration and bad ways. Over the last five years the UK created more jobs than the rest of the EU. But those EU economies are now growing. |
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| Cameron says trade negotiations are not a love-in. We don’t sell any beef to the US, he says. | Cameron says trade negotiations are not a love-in. We don’t sell any beef to the US, he says. |
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| A young woman says she is voting Remain, even though she hates the Tories because they have “fucked everything up”, and “screwed the disabled, screwed the vulnerable”. She calls the prime minister “dodgy Dave”. | A young woman says she is voting Remain, even though she hates the Tories because they have “fucked everything up”, and “screwed the disabled, screwed the vulnerable”. She calls the prime minister “dodgy Dave”. |
| Cameron smiles. He says the nice thing about this referendum is that it is bringing people together who would never normally agree. The woman sees the funny side. | Cameron smiles. He says the nice thing about this referendum is that it is bringing people together who would never normally agree. The woman sees the funny side. |
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| Q: How do you intend to tackle with immigration? | Q: How do you intend to tackle with immigration? |
| Cameron says people coming to the UK have to look for a job. If they can’t get a job, they have to go home. And if they stay, they don’t get full benefits for four years. | Cameron says people coming to the UK have to look for a job. If they can’t get a job, they have to go home. And if they stay, they don’t get full benefits for four years. |
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| Cameron acknowledges that the UK buys more for the EU than it sells to it. | Cameron acknowledges that the UK buys more for the EU than it sells to it. |
| But 44% of our goods go to Europe, he says. Only 8% of their goods come here. | But 44% of our goods go to Europe, he says. Only 8% of their goods come here. |
| And although there is a deficit in goods, there is a surplus in services. | And although there is a deficit in goods, there is a surplus in services. |
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| Q: You said you would cut immigration. And you said you would contemplate leaving the EU. Why should we listen to you now. | Q: You said you would cut immigration. And you said you would contemplate leaving the EU. Why should we listen to you now. |
| Cameron says he never wanted to leave the EU. | Cameron says he never wanted to leave the EU. |
| If he wanted an easier life, he would say the EU decision was a balanced one, but that he only just favoured staying. | If he wanted an easier life, he would say the EU decision was a balanced one, but that he only just favoured staying. |
| But he does not think it is a balanced argument. He is arguing strongly for staying in because the case is so strong. | But he does not think it is a balanced argument. He is arguing strongly for staying in because the case is so strong. |
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| Cameron says if the UK is outside the single markets, tariffs will be imposed if it sells cars to Germany. | Cameron says if the UK is outside the single markets, tariffs will be imposed if it sells cars to Germany. |
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| Q: If the case for staying in is so strong, why are the polls so close? | Q: If the case for staying in is so strong, why are the polls so close? |
| Cameron says people should ignore the polls. In the 2015 election people saw how focusing on the polls during the campaign gave a false impression. | Cameron says people should ignore the polls. In the 2015 election people saw how focusing on the polls during the campaign gave a false impression. |
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| David Cameron at BuzzFeed | David Cameron at BuzzFeed |
| Q: If leaving the EU is going to be so bad, why did you give the people a vote? | Q: If leaving the EU is going to be so bad, why did you give the people a vote? |
| David Cameron says it’s because he’s a democrat. He thought the people should decide. | David Cameron says it’s because he’s a democrat. He thought the people should decide. |
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| 17:04 | 17:04 |
| Farage says Ukip not racist, but wrongly 'demonised by establishment' for its EU stance | Farage says Ukip not racist, but wrongly 'demonised by establishment' for its EU stance |
| Here is the line from Nigel Farage where he claimed that Ukip had never been racist or homophobic, but that it had been “demonised” by the media because it was defying conventional wisdom. Farage said: | Here is the line from Nigel Farage where he claimed that Ukip had never been racist or homophobic, but that it had been “demonised” by the media because it was defying conventional wisdom. Farage said: |
| When I first appeared on Question Time on the BBC back in 2000 I was the first person in 20 years on Question Time that had said I thought we should leave the European Union. So what I am guilty of is making Europe a big issue in British politics, and I’m guilty of forcing Mr Cameron into holding this referendum. | When I first appeared on Question Time on the BBC back in 2000 I was the first person in 20 years on Question Time that had said I thought we should leave the European Union. So what I am guilty of is making Europe a big issue in British politics, and I’m guilty of forcing Mr Cameron into holding this referendum. |
| In life, if you challenge the establishment, whether it’s in business, whether it’s in science, whether it’s in politics, if you take on a consensus view, they will abuse you. And what happened to me in 2014 was our party started to rise in the polls, and the establishment got terrified. ‘Crikey, these awful Ukip people might win the European elections.’ There was a quite deliberate attempt to paint out Euroscepticism, me and my supporters, as being racist, homophobic, anti-foreigner - none of it, absolutely none of it, was ever true ... | In life, if you challenge the establishment, whether it’s in business, whether it’s in science, whether it’s in politics, if you take on a consensus view, they will abuse you. And what happened to me in 2014 was our party started to rise in the polls, and the establishment got terrified. ‘Crikey, these awful Ukip people might win the European elections.’ There was a quite deliberate attempt to paint out Euroscepticism, me and my supporters, as being racist, homophobic, anti-foreigner - none of it, absolutely none of it, was ever true ... |
| We’ve been demonised by a media, by an establishment, scared of a different argument. | We’ve been demonised by a media, by an establishment, scared of a different argument. |
| When it was put to him that there was a long list of Ukip members who have said unacceptable things, he said these were people who had gone online after having “one too many” in the pub. | When it was put to him that there was a long list of Ukip members who have said unacceptable things, he said these were people who had gone online after having “one too many” in the pub. |
| We had Ukip people who, coming back from the pub, after one too many, said stupid or at times abusive or abrasive things. At the same over 200 councillors from the Conservatives, Labour and the Liberal Democrats were actually arrested or imprisoned for crimines including rape, paedophilia, even planting bombs in North Wales. | We had Ukip people who, coming back from the pub, after one too many, said stupid or at times abusive or abrasive things. At the same over 200 councillors from the Conservatives, Labour and the Liberal Democrats were actually arrested or imprisoned for crimines including rape, paedophilia, even planting bombs in North Wales. |
| Farage also claimed that Ukip’s record on dealing with problems like antisemitism was better than Labour’s. | Farage also claimed that Ukip’s record on dealing with problems like antisemitism was better than Labour’s. |
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| 16:48 | 16:48 |
| Farage has finished. | Farage has finished. |
| The online response was 70% liking him, 25% not liking him. But in the studio only 45% of the audience liked him, and 55% did not like him. | The online response was 70% liking him, 25% not liking him. But in the studio only 45% of the audience liked him, and 55% did not like him. |