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| EU referendum live: Boris Johnson v Sadiq Khan in the BBC's Great Debate | EU referendum live: Boris Johnson v Sadiq Khan in the BBC's Great Debate |
| (35 minutes later) | |
| 8.34pm BST | |
| 20:34 | |
| Khan says the eurozone is growing faster than America. And our economy is enhanced by being in the EU. | |
| Johnson says it beggars belief that Remain cannot think of a single directive they would get rid of. The EU is a job-destroying machine. Just tonight Tate & Lyle said they want to come out of the EU. He says we cannot protect Tata jobs because Brussels says no. | |
| Davidson says Leave are just asking people to trust them. They cannot say how many jobs will go, or what the trade arrangements will be. Obama said we would go to the back of the queue on trade. | |
| Leadsom says 80% of the world’s economy is not in the single market. She says 28 member states cannot even organise a take-away curry, let alone trade deals. | |
| Khan says when you are 5ft 6 you don’t often say size matters. But it does with trade deal. If we left the EU, we would suffer. And he says Boris should know better; London businesses rely on the EU. Boris, why have you suddenly changed your mind? | |
| Johnson says we have heard an amazing amount of running down. Remain underestimate our ability to do better deals if we are on our own. He says our entire trade policy is determind by the EU, where only 3.8% of officials are British. | |
| Davidson tries to interrupt. He won’t let her. Because of the EU, we cannot export haggis to America, he says. | |
| Davidson challenges him to name one country in the world that has said it will offer a better trade deal. | |
| 8.27pm BST | |
| 20:27 | |
| Question two: workers' rights | |
| We are now taking the second question on the economy. | |
| Question from a remain supporter: As a black woman, I am grateful for the employment protections the EU offers. Will leaving be a slippery slope to lower standards? | |
| Leadsom says the UK has led the way in guaranteeing rights. We do not need EU leaders we cannot name to guarantee rights. | |
| O’Grady says too often we hear the words red tape, and what that means is getting rid of rights. Those rights were not gifted to us. People fought for them, and the EU guarantees them. People need to understand that they cover things such as the right to take time off if a child is ill. She says 2 million people got paid holidays as a result of an EU directive. Can leave guarantee that these rights will be protected? | |
| Yes, says Johnson. | |
| Stuart says she has been a trade unionist for 45 years. She finds the argument that we need Brussels to protect rights extraordinary. | |
| Khan says Stuart is wrong. Every time he and Stuart have voted for workers’s rights, they - leave Tories have voted the other way. He says Priti Patel, the pro-Brexit employment minister, has said she would like to halve workers’ regulations. | |
| Stuart says the most important right is the right to a job. We will never succeed when shackled to the eurozone. | |
| Updated | |
| at 8.35pm BST | |
| 8.22pm BST | |
| 20:22 | |
| Khan says all the experts say the economy would suffer if we leave. It is not unreasonable for a mum and dad worried about bills to ask what the plan is. A slogan is not a detailed plan. How would you make sure jobs won’t suffer, he asks. What is your plan? | |
| Leadsom says we are spending billions that go into a big black hole. All remain talk about is Project Fear. The EU has done a terrible job negotiating free trade deals. | |
| Updated | |
| at 8.31pm BST | |
| 8.20pm BST | |
| 20:20 | |
| Leadsom says Unite’s Len McCluskey said the EU single market had been a giant, low wage experiment. | |
| Davidson says we have the highest level of employment in history. And, if you want to trade quotes, Johnson’s chief economist says manufacturing will be hit. Michael Gove says he could not guarantee everyone would keep their jobs. That is not good enough. | |
| Johnson says they are back to Project Fear. | |
| How many jobs, Davidson shouts at him. Wanting to protect jobs is positive, she says. | |
| Johnson says someone on the other side said immigration had driven down wages in too many places. It was Khan, he says. Johnson says he is a believer in free markets, but thinks differentials in wages have fallen too low. It would be a fine thing if people got a pay rise because we took back control. | |
| Updated | |
| at 8.30pm BST | |
| 8.17pm BST | |
| 20:17 | |
| Frances O’Grady says the questioner asked about small firms, but many are in supply chains. The experts say business would suffer. If you do not believe the experts, listen to the shop floor. They say we cannot afford to take this gamble. | |
| Gisela Stuart says the questioner cannot afford to lobby Brussels. That is why big firms like Brussels. Stuart Rose, the head of the remain campaign, said wages will go up if we leave. | |
| O’Grady says workers in this country have been through a rough time. The TUC has looked at all the hard evidence. In the long run, because our economy would be hit, wages would drop by £38 a week. That is filling up your petrol tank in a small car. It’s a big hit. Don’t take the risk. | |
| Updated | |
| at 8.25pm BST | |
| 8.14pm BST | |
| 20:14 | |
| Sadiq Khan says he is pleased Johnson is speaking to people, but that he should listen to Patrick Minford, leave’s economic adviser. He said leaving would mean the end of manufacturing. That scares me, he says. | |
| Andrea Leadsom says if we remain, the failed euro project will cost us dearly. And the EU wants to expand to include Turkey. | |
| Updated | |
| at 8.24pm BST | |
| 8.12pm BST | |
| 20:12 | |
| Question one: the economy | |
| Question from a leave supporter: I run a small business and have been stifled by the amount of legislation imposed on me. What benefits are there from remaining in the EU? | |
| Ruth Davidson says small businesses are the backbone of the economy. Business leaders want us to stay in, she says, and if you want to trade with the EU you need to obey their rules. Vote to remain in the biggest trade deal in the world. | |
| Boris Johnson says he thinks it is extraordinary to claim we would have tariffs imposed on us if we leave. We receive around a fifth of German exports. Would they impose tariffs on us? He says he has visited many businesses, and been amazed how many want to come out. Businesses such as JCB, and James Dyson, the biggest manufacturer of vacuum cleaners in Germany. Tonight he is saying that staying in would be an act of economic self-harm. | |
| Updated | |
| at 8.23pm BST | |
| 8.08pm BST | |
| 20:08 | |
| Oh Christ I've fallen asleep. This Open University video has done it #BBCDebate | |
| 8.08pm BST | |
| 20:08 | |
| This is from the Telegraph’s Asa Bennett. | |
| Sadiq Khan's "as a lawyer" vs Gisela Stuart's "as a mother and grandmother" - who will the #BBCDebate audience like more? | |
| 8.07pm BST | |
| 20:07 | |
| Dimbleby says there will be questions on the economy, immigration and Britain’s place in the world. | |
| Before we go to that, they will try to present the issues at stake. | |
| They are now showing a video about the economy. | |
| 8.06pm BST | |
| 20:06 | |
| Sadiq Khan opens for remain. He says in just two days voters will make the most important decision for a generation. He namechecks his team, and says they will make a positive case for remain. Your job will be more secure if we stay, and prices in the shops will be lower. As a lawyer he has learnt to follow the evidence. All the evidence suggests we are better off in, so he would urge you to make the positive and patriotic case to vote remain. | |
| Updated | |
| at 8.09pm BST | |
| 8.04pm BST | 8.04pm BST |
| 20:04 | 20:04 |
| Dimbleby says leave won - when they drew lots to decide who goes first. | |
| Gisela Stuart opens for leave. If we were not in, would we join. If you think not, then vote leave to take control. She is a mother and a grandmother. 50% of young people in Greece do not have a job. The only continent with a lower growth rate is Antarctica. Sometimes voting does not make much difference, but on Thursday it will. | |
| Updated | |
| at 8.08pm BST | |
| 8.02pm BST | 8.02pm BST |
| 20:02 | 20:02 |
| Dimbley introduces the panel. | Dimbley introduces the panel. |
| They will get to make opening statements. | They will get to make opening statements. |