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| Hillary Clinton opens up 11-point lead in pre-debate poll – campaign live | Hillary Clinton opens up 11-point lead in pre-debate poll – campaign live |
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| Ratings slip for second presidential debate | |
| Sam Thielman | |
| Viewership of the second presidential debate was down 20m from the first debate, writes the Guardian’s Sam Thielman (@samthielman): | |
| Total viewers across the three major cable and three broadcast networks for the 90-minute debate came to more than 60m, while millions more watched on streaming services including Hulu and YouTube, according to preliminary Nielsen figures. Additional viewership on Spanish-language networks and PBS probably won’t bump the final tally over 63m, so viewership was down by a full 20m Americans who either just couldn’t bring themselves to tune in or watched football instead. | |
| Part of the reason for the falloff was certainly at NBC, which broadcast an NFL game instead of the debate. | |
| But while most of the might-have-been NBC loyalists went to CBS, which had the largest number of viewers by a comfortable margin, with 16.5m, ABC and Fox News were both down against the last debate with 11.5m and 9.9m viewers respectively – even with the broadcast network’s Martha Raddatz co-moderating. | |
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| Ben Jacobs mingles before the Trump event in Ambridge, which is a suburb of Pittsburgh: | Ben Jacobs mingles before the Trump event in Ambridge, which is a suburb of Pittsburgh: |
| This Trump voter doesn't mind his remark about jailing Hillary from last night pic.twitter.com/Wa2ZXowGkN | This Trump voter doesn't mind his remark about jailing Hillary from last night pic.twitter.com/Wa2ZXowGkN |
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| Donald Trump registers 35% support in the new NBC/WSJ poll of a four-way presidential race. | Donald Trump registers 35% support in the new NBC/WSJ poll of a four-way presidential race. |
| The peanut gallery wonders whether he’s at risk of falling below the threshold needed to earn a debate lectern: | The peanut gallery wonders whether he’s at risk of falling below the threshold needed to earn a debate lectern: |
| @StuPolitics With a bit of luck Trump will drop below the 15% national threshold and the 3rd debate will be cancelled. :D | @StuPolitics With a bit of luck Trump will drop below the 15% national threshold and the 3rd debate will be cancelled. :D |
| Ha! Hilarious. https://t.co/w1INl8AiHf | Ha! Hilarious. https://t.co/w1INl8AiHf |
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| This is interesting. Going by HuffPost Pollster’s average of polls of a two-way race, Hillary Clinton is not only performing a lot better against Trump than Barack Obama did against Mitt Romney - her average support at this stage is also higher than Obama’s was: | This is interesting. Going by HuffPost Pollster’s average of polls of a two-way race, Hillary Clinton is not only performing a lot better against Trump than Barack Obama did against Mitt Romney - her average support at this stage is also higher than Obama’s was: |
| A quick comparison of 2012 vs. 2016 HuffPost Pollster averages pic.twitter.com/o6hZ6bkc1n | A quick comparison of 2012 vs. 2016 HuffPost Pollster averages pic.twitter.com/o6hZ6bkc1n |
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| Donald Trump and Ben Jacobs are in Ambridge, Pennsylvania, this afternoon. Trump is scheduled to speak at 3.30pm (we’ll have a live video stream for you). | Donald Trump and Ben Jacobs are in Ambridge, Pennsylvania, this afternoon. Trump is scheduled to speak at 3.30pm (we’ll have a live video stream for you). |
| Ben is already on the scene: | Ben is already on the scene: |
| Spotted in Ambridge PA pic.twitter.com/xL73hXu0XL | Spotted in Ambridge PA pic.twitter.com/xL73hXu0XL |
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| Trump attacks Ryan | Trump attacks Ryan |
| Trump hits the House speaker on Twitter. This morning Ryan told members he would not be campaigning with Trump or defending him. Ryan has not withdrawn his endorsement of Trump. But he did suggest that he expected Hillary Clinton to become president, saying he would direct all his energies toward preventing a Democratic sweep that would give her a “blank check.” | Trump hits the House speaker on Twitter. This morning Ryan told members he would not be campaigning with Trump or defending him. Ryan has not withdrawn his endorsement of Trump. But he did suggest that he expected Hillary Clinton to become president, saying he would direct all his energies toward preventing a Democratic sweep that would give her a “blank check.” |
| Trump thinks Ryan is wasting time: | Trump thinks Ryan is wasting time: |
| Paul Ryan should spend more time on balancing the budget, jobs and illegal immigration and not waste his time on fighting Republican nominee | Paul Ryan should spend more time on balancing the budget, jobs and illegal immigration and not waste his time on fighting Republican nominee |
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| Dole stands by Trump | Dole stands by Trump |
| Ben Jacobs | Ben Jacobs |
| “Mr. Trump has expressed regret for making the comments, and I believe we should refocus on the primary issues that matter to the American people.” | “Mr. Trump has expressed regret for making the comments, and I believe we should refocus on the primary issues that matter to the American people.” |
| – 1996 Republican presidential nominee Bob Dole, in a statement to the Guardian | – 1996 Republican presidential nominee Bob Dole, in a statement to the Guardian |
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| Mike Pence is speaking in Charlotte, North Carolina: | Mike Pence is speaking in Charlotte, North Carolina: |
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| My wife? Oh yeah, she’s voting for Trump, too. | My wife? Oh yeah, she’s voting for Trump, too. |
| Only 33% of husbands say their wife is voting for Hillary Clinton, but 45% of wives say they're voting for Hillary Clinton. https://t.co/cvcqN4vcRP | Only 33% of husbands say their wife is voting for Hillary Clinton, but 45% of wives say they're voting for Hillary Clinton. https://t.co/cvcqN4vcRP |
| In the poll, 40% of married women said they’d support Trump. Does that seem high to you? Maybe it is – but it’s still really bad compared with past performances of Republican candidates among married women, a group Mitt Romney won in 2012 with a 53% majority. | In the poll, 40% of married women said they’d support Trump. Does that seem high to you? Maybe it is – but it’s still really bad compared with past performances of Republican candidates among married women, a group Mitt Romney won in 2012 with a 53% majority. |
| In 2008, unmarried women went 70-29 for Barack Obama, but married women went 50-47 for John McCain. | In 2008, unmarried women went 70-29 for Barack Obama, but married women went 50-47 for John McCain. |
| So for a Republican to be losing married women – it could indicate a certain weakness in Trump’s candidacy. | So for a Republican to be losing married women – it could indicate a certain weakness in Trump’s candidacy. |
| Married WOMEN who say they are voting for Hillary Clinton: 45%. Married MEN who think their SPOUSE is voting for Hillary Clinton: 33% pic.twitter.com/8mSotUSnWl | Married WOMEN who say they are voting for Hillary Clinton: 45%. Married MEN who think their SPOUSE is voting for Hillary Clinton: 33% pic.twitter.com/8mSotUSnWl |
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| New Clinton ads feature Republicans crossing party lines | New Clinton ads feature Republicans crossing party lines |
| At a moment when the presidential race looks very good for Clinton, and Democrats are talking anew about making inroads in Congress, the Clinton campaign releases at least three (that we’ve seen so far) new ads featuring Republicans – politicos, veterans, parents – who say they will vote for Clinton and explain why: | At a moment when the presidential race looks very good for Clinton, and Democrats are talking anew about making inroads in Congress, the Clinton campaign releases at least three (that we’ve seen so far) new ads featuring Republicans – politicos, veterans, parents – who say they will vote for Clinton and explain why: |
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| Here’s further on the revolt by some Republicans at the leadership’s perceived abandonment of the presidential nominee, via AP: | Here’s further on the revolt by some Republicans at the leadership’s perceived abandonment of the presidential nominee, via AP: |
| Conservative House Republicans have complained to House Speaker Paul Ryan that he and other party leaders are being too negative about presidential candidate Donald Trump. | Conservative House Republicans have complained to House Speaker Paul Ryan that he and other party leaders are being too negative about presidential candidate Donald Trump. |
| The comments came in a conference call Monday. Two people involved in the call said California Rep. Dana Rohrabacher called Republican leaders “cowards” and said they must stop their defeatist attitude about Trump’s chances. | The comments came in a conference call Monday. Two people involved in the call said California Rep. Dana Rohrabacher called Republican leaders “cowards” and said they must stop their defeatist attitude about Trump’s chances. |
| Another person involved in the call said the head of the Republicans campaign organization, Greg Walden of Oregon, noted that Trump’s poll numbers have been falling since his first debate with Hillary Clinton. The person said Walden said he expects even more erosion in Trump’s numbers now. | Another person involved in the call said the head of the Republicans campaign organization, Greg Walden of Oregon, noted that Trump’s poll numbers have been falling since his first debate with Hillary Clinton. The person said Walden said he expects even more erosion in Trump’s numbers now. |
| The people on the call spoke on condition of anonymity because the call was private. | The people on the call spoke on condition of anonymity because the call was private. |
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| Snubbed at the debate: Black Lives Matter | Snubbed at the debate: Black Lives Matter |
| Steven W Thrasher | Steven W Thrasher |
| On Sunday night, I wanted Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump to delve into real talk about race in America. After all, they debated at Washington University in St Louis, just about 20 miles from the Canfield Apartments where Michael Brown was killed. | On Sunday night, I wanted Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump to delve into real talk about race in America. After all, they debated at Washington University in St Louis, just about 20 miles from the Canfield Apartments where Michael Brown was killed. |
| It didn’t happen. | It didn’t happen. |
| There was no substantive conversation on race (or on much of anything, really). Racism and police killings were never addressed directly. Black Lives Matter was outrageously never brought up. An African American woman asked the first question on presidential behavior, and a brother asked a pabulum “all lives matter”-style question about each candidate’s ability to lead all people. | There was no substantive conversation on race (or on much of anything, really). Racism and police killings were never addressed directly. Black Lives Matter was outrageously never brought up. An African American woman asked the first question on presidential behavior, and a brother asked a pabulum “all lives matter”-style question about each candidate’s ability to lead all people. |
| Trump seemed to think that all black and Hispanic people live in the “inner city”, which have mostly been gentrified by white people. But he was right when he said black and hispanic Americans are “living in hell”. However, it’s a hell caused by 2016’s sorry political process in general and by Trump in particular. Muslims, queers, women, immigrants and the poor are also stuck in in this American Hades. | Trump seemed to think that all black and Hispanic people live in the “inner city”, which have mostly been gentrified by white people. But he was right when he said black and hispanic Americans are “living in hell”. However, it’s a hell caused by 2016’s sorry political process in general and by Trump in particular. Muslims, queers, women, immigrants and the poor are also stuck in in this American Hades. |
| Read the full piece here: | Read the full piece here: |
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| Note: we’ve deleted a block about an email from the purported John Podesta trove released by Wikileaks last week. The email expressed fear that Republicans would nominate someone other than Trump. But it was not sent by Podesta, as the blog block may have suggested. It came from a former aide with only a sideline voice in the campaign. Apologies for the confusion. | Note: we’ve deleted a block about an email from the purported John Podesta trove released by Wikileaks last week. The email expressed fear that Republicans would nominate someone other than Trump. But it was not sent by Podesta, as the blog block may have suggested. It came from a former aide with only a sideline voice in the campaign. Apologies for the confusion. |
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| Ryan not conceding Clinton win, his office advises | Ryan not conceding Clinton win, his office advises |
| House speaker Paul Ryan’s office has nudged back at reports that he has effectively conceded that Hillary Clinton will win the presidential race. | House speaker Paul Ryan’s office has nudged back at reports that he has effectively conceded that Hillary Clinton will win the presidential race. |
| He’s not conceding that Hillary Clinton will be the next president, AP reports hearing from the speaker’s office. | He’s not conceding that Hillary Clinton will be the next president, AP reports hearing from the speaker’s office. |
| Ryan told members of Congress on a conference call this morning that he would be spending “his entire energy making sure that Hillary Clinton does not get a blank check with a Democrat-controlled Congress,” according to people on the call. | Ryan told members of Congress on a conference call this morning that he would be spending “his entire energy making sure that Hillary Clinton does not get a blank check with a Democrat-controlled Congress,” according to people on the call. |
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| Trump campaign: 'nothing's changed' | Trump campaign: 'nothing's changed' |
| Trump spokesman Jason Miller echoes the candidate himself: we don’t need elected Republicans anyway, we have the people behind us. | Trump spokesman Jason Miller echoes the candidate himself: we don’t need elected Republicans anyway, we have the people behind us. |
| Re: today's Congressional call: Nothing's changed. Mr. Trump’s campaign has always been powered by a grassroots movement, not Washington. | Re: today's Congressional call: Nothing's changed. Mr. Trump’s campaign has always been powered by a grassroots movement, not Washington. |
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| Buffett slams Trump on taxes | Buffett slams Trump on taxes |
| Actual billionaire and actual philanthropist Warren Buffett has hit back at Donald Trump after Trump, at the debate last night, defended his (Trump’s) practice of carrying forward huge personal income losses to avoid paying future federal income taxes. | Actual billionaire and actual philanthropist Warren Buffett has hit back at Donald Trump after Trump, at the debate last night, defended his (Trump’s) practice of carrying forward huge personal income losses to avoid paying future federal income taxes. |
| I’ve never done that, Buffett says in a statement. Also, I gave $2.9bn to charity in 2015. Also, I’m currently under IRS audit but that does not prevent me from releasing tax records. | I’ve never done that, Buffett says in a statement. Also, I gave $2.9bn to charity in 2015. Also, I’m currently under IRS audit but that does not prevent me from releasing tax records. |
| New: Statement from Warren Buffett firing back at Trump on his tax returns: pic.twitter.com/bvolw6TpUo | New: Statement from Warren Buffett firing back at Trump on his tax returns: pic.twitter.com/bvolw6TpUo |
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| Republican revolt over notion of abandoning Trump – report | Republican revolt over notion of abandoning Trump – report |
| We have reports now of Republican fury after the conference call with speaker Paul Ryan in which he said he wouldn’t defend Trump and just wanted to prevent giving Hillary Clinton a blank check. Here’s the New York Times’ Jonathan Martin: | We have reports now of Republican fury after the conference call with speaker Paul Ryan in which he said he wouldn’t defend Trump and just wanted to prevent giving Hillary Clinton a blank check. Here’s the New York Times’ Jonathan Martin: |
| House conservatives are FURIOUS. Carter, McClintock, Long and especially Dana R angrily tell Rs they can't abandon Trump. LINK tk shortly | House conservatives are FURIOUS. Carter, McClintock, Long and especially Dana R angrily tell Rs they can't abandon Trump. LINK tk shortly |
| It seems like people are always saying the Republican party is falling apart / about to fall apart/ threatening to fall apart etc. But an open split with the presidential nominee that causes further splits between the leadership and rank-and-file as well as splits in the rank-and-file possibly culminating in historic losses up-and-down the ballot... well we’re getting ahead of ourselves aren’t we. | It seems like people are always saying the Republican party is falling apart / about to fall apart/ threatening to fall apart etc. But an open split with the presidential nominee that causes further splits between the leadership and rank-and-file as well as splits in the rank-and-file possibly culminating in historic losses up-and-down the ballot... well we’re getting ahead of ourselves aren’t we. |