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Malcolm Turnbull rejects Amnesty claim that detention akin to torture – politics live Malcolm Turnbull rejects Amnesty claim that detention akin to torture – politics live
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Come back Ewen Jones.
How about Andrew Hastie and others look for solutions to indigenous disadvantage rather than using Bill Leak as an 18C Trojan horse? #auspol
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Wong asks about protection for the LGBTI community for offensive or insulting comments given there is for similar comments on racial grounds.
Triggs says none that she knows of apart from defamation.
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Penny Wong is in the building, indeed the room.
Wong asks Triggs about her comments that moves to suspend discrimination laws for the plebiscite would be a “disgraceful way of dealing with the issue”.
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Ian Macdonald welcomes the president of the Australian Human Rights Commission, Gillian Triggs. George Brandis opens with introductions for the new appointments.
Edward Santow replaced Tim Wilson, now Liberal MP for Goldstein, Alastair McEwin is the new disability commissioner, Kay Patterson, age discrimination commissioner.
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Oh good. Senator Ian Macdonald is in charge of the legal and constitutional affairs estimates committee. The best thing is that I can say what I like about him because he revealed yesterday – SHOCK HORROR – that he doesn’t read the Guardian.
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Don’t forget there is a chamber running as well.
We have the three VET bills:
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Cruel, that Wong.
Late night, Wong hits Brandis with a low blow: "It’s alright, no one thinks of you as a lawyer either George." pic.twitter.com/tkGY4bvJo1
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Of course estimates continue on, as they did until 11pm last night.Of course estimates continue on, as they did until 11pm last night.
First up this morning we have the Human Rights Commission, the attorney general’s department more generally, the department of finance, the commonwealth director of public prosecutions, ABC and SBS. And the lower house. Pity me... First up this morning we have the Human Rights Commission, the attorney general’s department more generally, the department of finance, the commonwealth director of public prosecutions, ABC and SBS. And the lower house. Pity me ...
In 12 hour hearings, things get a bit willing. They also get more relaxed towards the later stages of the evening, as revealed in this little exchange last night with and around Margaret Stone, Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security. In 12-hour hearings, things get a bit willing. They also get more relaxed towards the later stages of the evening, as revealed in this little exchange last night with and around Margaret Stone, inspector general of intelligence and security.
Brandis:Brandis:
You know, Justice Stone, it is sometimes difficult to explain to politicians how lawyers are very precise in their use of language.You know, Justice Stone, it is sometimes difficult to explain to politicians how lawyers are very precise in their use of language.
Stone:Stone:
Um, so, putting that aside… Um, so, putting that aside …
Xenophon:Xenophon:
Are you implying that I’m not a very good lawyer Attorney? Are you implying that I’m not a very good lawyer, attorney?
Brandis:Brandis:
I wasn’t thinking of you Senator Xenophon. I must confess I do think of you as a politician.I wasn’t thinking of you Senator Xenophon. I must confess I do think of you as a politician.
Wong:Wong:
It’s alright, no one thinks of you as a lawyer either George.It’s alright, no one thinks of you as a lawyer either George.
Xenophon:Xenophon:
That’s not very nice.That’s not very nice.
Wong:Wong:
He’s been a bit mean lately. Keeps misleading parliament.He’s been a bit mean lately. Keeps misleading parliament.
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Good morning people,Good morning people,
Seven months ago, Malcolm Turnbull declared the “times for games is over” and threatened to take the country to a double dissolution election if his industrial relations bills were blocked. It seemed like a good idea at the time but after the election, the government benches were whittled back to a one seat majority. Seven months ago, Malcolm Turnbull declared the “times for games is over” and threatened to take the country to a double-dissolution election if his industrial relations bills were blocked. It seemed like a good idea at the time but, after the election, the government benches were whittled back to a one seat majority.
The two bills would establish a Australian Building Construction Commission and regulate registered organisations, ie unions. Today the first bill returns to the house, in a neat two step following Bill Shorten’s endorsement of former Health Services Union Kimberley Kitching and an outbreak of factional farnarkling. The two bills would establish a Australian Building Construction Commission and regulate registered organisations, ie unions. Today the first bill returns to the house, in a neat two-step following Bill Shorten’s endorsement of former Health Services Union official Kimberley Kitching and an outbreak of factional farnarkling.
In an interview with Fran Kelly, Turnbull has on the one hand, attacked union thuggery in the CFMEU, and on the other, endorsed the bills as a great thing for the health of unions. In an interview with Fran Kelly, Turnbull has, on the one hand, attacked union thuggery in the CFMEU and, on the other, endorsed the bills as a great thing for the health of unions.
This is not anti-union. This is not union busting. If the Labor Party were to support this legislation, they would build public confidence in the unions, because the unions would be run in accordance with the law. This is not anti-union. This is not union busting. If the Labor party were to support this legislation, they would build public confidence in the unions, because the unions would be run in accordance with the law.
Kelly asks, why not get the Australian Securities and Investment Commission to regulate unions as they do the banks? Why bust unions and not banks? Turnbull says the government is doing lots on the bank front and now they are doing lots on the union front. He is an equal opportunity regulator.Kelly asks, why not get the Australian Securities and Investment Commission to regulate unions as they do the banks? Why bust unions and not banks? Turnbull says the government is doing lots on the bank front and now they are doing lots on the union front. He is an equal opportunity regulator.
Right across the board, what we’re doing is addressing the issues that have been raised and that’s what we’re doing in the industrial relations field too.Right across the board, what we’re doing is addressing the issues that have been raised and that’s what we’re doing in the industrial relations field too.
Overnight, you might have seen David Leyonhjelm has raised the prospect of horse trading over the ABCC bill. He wants a ban lifted on the importation of the Adler shotgun.Overnight, you might have seen David Leyonhjelm has raised the prospect of horse trading over the ABCC bill. He wants a ban lifted on the importation of the Adler shotgun.
The regulation of firearms is dealt with by COAG in effect, by a states-and-territories and the Commonwealth working together and so the importation ban on the lever-action Adler shotgun, over more than five rounds, was introduced and has been maintained because of a failure to date of that state and territory group to reach a resolution on it. The regulation of firearms is dealt with by Coag in effect, by states and territories and the commonwealth working together and so the importation ban on the lever-action Adler shotgun, over more than five rounds, was introduced and has been maintained because of a failure to date of that state and territory group to reach a resolution on it.
So it is a collaborative effort. But I want to stress to you...we have among the most, if not the most rigorous laws on the regulation of firearms in the world. It’s one of the great achievements of John Howard. So it is a collaborative effort. But I want to stress to you ... we have among the most, if not the most rigorous laws on the regulation of firearms in the world. It’s one of the great achievements of John Howard.
Fran: The world’s leading human rights body is accusing your government, our government, of torture. You need to respond to that, don’t you?Fran: The world’s leading human rights body is accusing your government, our government, of torture. You need to respond to that, don’t you?
Well, I reject that claim totally, it is absolutely false...And I just note that the minister, Mr Dutton, offered to go onto to the Four Corners program and be interviewed live to deal with those allegations and that offer was rejected. Well, I reject that claim totally, it is absolutely false ... And I just note that the minister, Mr Dutton, offered to go onto to the Four Corners program and be interviewed live to deal with those allegations and that offer was rejected.
Fran played some audio of one of the articulate children on the program last night.Fran played some audio of one of the articulate children on the program last night.
We’ve heard from this young lady and it is, it is a...It is a very sad story that she tells. But, you know, there are 1,200 people, many of them young women too, no doubt, from whom we can never hear, because they drowned at sea under the Labor Party’s reckless failure to keep our borders safe. We’ve heard from this young lady and it is, it is a ... It is a very sad story that she tells. But, you know, there are 1,200 people, many of them young women too, no doubt, from whom we can never hear, because they drowned at sea under the Labor party’s reckless failure to keep our borders safe.
Turnbull says the government is negotiating with other countries but he accuses “many people in Australia” of telling refugees to hold out in the hope of coming to Australia.Turnbull says the government is negotiating with other countries but he accuses “many people in Australia” of telling refugees to hold out in the hope of coming to Australia.
I know that’s a tough policy. I know that is hard. But the alternative is what we had under Labor - 50,000 unauthorised arrivals and 1,200 voices that were silenced, that cannot go on Four Corners, that cannot talk on Radio National because they drowned at sea. I know that’s a tough policy. I know that is hard. But the alternative is what we had under Labor – 50,000 unauthorised arrivals and 1,200 voices that were silenced, that cannot go on Four Corners, that cannot talk on Radio National because they drowned at sea.
On same sex marriage, Turnbull says there was a still a chance the senate could pass the bill, in spite of what “your fellow distinguished journalist, Katharine Murphy, from the Guardian said at a press conference. On same-sex marriage, Turnbull says there was a still a chance the Senate could pass the bill, in spite of what “your fellow distinguished journalist, Katharine Murphy, from the Guardian said at a press conference.
Q: You think there’s still a chance it will pass?Q: You think there’s still a chance it will pass?
Of course. Of course... Of course. Of course ...
Arguments ensue on the merits of the plebiscite... Arguments ensue on the merits of the plebiscite ...
It is a perfectly reasonable argument to say this is not consistent with our parliamentary tradition. But the fact is it is perfectly democratic. It is a proposition that we took to the election. We won the election....Why wouldn’t we grab this opportunity and say, “Look, it may not be the perfect way of resolving the matter from your point of view, but grab it, it will be carried, it will be done.” Let’s get on with it. It is a perfectly reasonable argument to say this is not consistent with our parliamentary tradition. But the fact is it is perfectly democratic. It is a proposition that we took to the election. We won the election ... Why wouldn’t we grab this opportunity and say, “Look, it may not be the perfect way of resolving the matter from your point of view but grab it, it will be carried, it will be done.” Let’s get on with it.
Right, now that we are done with the War and Peace of first posts, I am @gabriellechan on the Twits, @mpbowers has some wonderful pics from the house games this morning.Right, now that we are done with the War and Peace of first posts, I am @gabriellechan on the Twits, @mpbowers has some wonderful pics from the house games this morning.
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