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| Malcolm Turnbull says there is 'no chance' of Coalition watering down gun laws – politics live | Malcolm Turnbull says there is 'no chance' of Coalition watering down gun laws – politics live |
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| The prime minister is speaking on the ABCC bill. Given most government questions spoke to this bill during question time, I won’t give you chapter and verse on it. | |
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| Liberal senator Jane Hume complimenting the ABC's Howard on Menzies and requests a return of Spicks and Specks #estimates | |
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| ABC ed director Alan Sunderland telling Jane Hume he won't launch inquiry into @4corners simply bc she didn't like Nauru program #estimates | |
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| Diversity warrior Eric Abetz. | |
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| Legal and Constitutional is running well behind because of the marathon five hour questioning of Gillian Triggs, who was only scheduled to appear for 45 minutes. | |
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| Amanda Meade | Amanda Meade |
| ABC managing director Michelle Guthrie is facing one of the ABC’s biggest critics, Senator Eric Abetz, at a senate estimates communications committee. | ABC managing director Michelle Guthrie is facing one of the ABC’s biggest critics, Senator Eric Abetz, at a senate estimates communications committee. |
| The ABC’s editorial director Alan Sunderland is answering many of the questions for her as he is more across the detail. | The ABC’s editorial director Alan Sunderland is answering many of the questions for her as he is more across the detail. |
| Abetz is asking about an ABC News story about a five-year-old being raped on Nauru which the ABC later retracted. | Abetz is asking about an ABC News story about a five-year-old being raped on Nauru which the ABC later retracted. |
| Abetz does not believe the ABC’s apology was comprehensive enough. | Abetz does not believe the ABC’s apology was comprehensive enough. |
| “Serious and important errors” were admitted, Sunderland says, but we corrected the error. | “Serious and important errors” were admitted, Sunderland says, but we corrected the error. |
| Abetz then turns to Guthrie and asks her about her statement about diversity: | Abetz then turns to Guthrie and asks her about her statement about diversity: |
| I note in recent times you were looking for diversity of presenters on the ABC, is that correct? | I note in recent times you were looking for diversity of presenters on the ABC, is that correct? |
| Guthrie: | Guthrie: |
| One of the opportunities we have is to be more reflective of the community. | One of the opportunities we have is to be more reflective of the community. |
| Abetz: | Abetz: |
| May I suggest you get some diversity in relation to people’s views. | May I suggest you get some diversity in relation to people’s views. |
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| One of our readers has taken issue with my characterisation of the Adler as a more lethal weapon than the ones in the same category (if it stays in A). | One of our readers has taken issue with my characterisation of the Adler as a more lethal weapon than the ones in the same category (if it stays in A). |
| Reader reasons if a weapon can kill, a faster or more powerful weapon cannot kill you even more. I take the point. | Reader reasons if a weapon can kill, a faster or more powerful weapon cannot kill you even more. I take the point. |
| So perhaps what I should have said is that the Adler would allow someone to kill more things more quickly. | So perhaps what I should have said is that the Adler would allow someone to kill more things more quickly. |
| As its advocate David Leyonhjelm said when asked why the Adler was necessary: | As its advocate David Leyonhjelm said when asked why the Adler was necessary: |
| [Feral pigs] frequently have substantial litters and so if you have more than five rounds you might kill the entire litter rather than miss some and reload. Shotguns, with the magazine, are slow to reload. Having seven rounds might mean you clean up the litter and rid the country of more pigs. | [Feral pigs] frequently have substantial litters and so if you have more than five rounds you might kill the entire litter rather than miss some and reload. Shotguns, with the magazine, are slow to reload. Having seven rounds might mean you clean up the litter and rid the country of more pigs. |
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| My kingdom for a gun expert. | My kingdom for a gun expert. |
| In the meantime, let me segue to the Australian Pesticides and Veterinary Medicines Authority (APVMA) that Barnaby Joyce wants to move from Canberra to his electorate. This is a promise he made ahead of his election battle with Tony Windsor. | In the meantime, let me segue to the Australian Pesticides and Veterinary Medicines Authority (APVMA) that Barnaby Joyce wants to move from Canberra to his electorate. This is a promise he made ahead of his election battle with Tony Windsor. |
| There is supposed to be a cabinet submission containing a cost benefit analysis about this move. It has not been forthcoming. Lots of APVMA staff have homes and families in Canberra and so they are cranky. They have to move their lives. Or move their jobs. | There is supposed to be a cabinet submission containing a cost benefit analysis about this move. It has not been forthcoming. Lots of APVMA staff have homes and families in Canberra and so they are cranky. They have to move their lives. Or move their jobs. |
| The issue came up in estimates amongst all the derp of everything that has come before us. | The issue came up in estimates amongst all the derp of everything that has come before us. |
| Praise the lords for Aunty, because Anna Vidot was there. She sheds a bit of light with her Twitter feed. | Praise the lords for Aunty, because Anna Vidot was there. She sheds a bit of light with her Twitter feed. |
| Ag #estimates hears 48 staff left APVMA in '15-16 for various reasons, 23 since 1July. Whether relocation plan was a factor not addressed. pic.twitter.com/QV4UnBptMD | Ag #estimates hears 48 staff left APVMA in '15-16 for various reasons, 23 since 1July. Whether relocation plan was a factor not addressed. pic.twitter.com/QV4UnBptMD |
| .@SenatorWacka making the case for APVMA and other decentralisation as a way to address housing unaffordability in cap cities. #estimates | .@SenatorWacka making the case for APVMA and other decentralisation as a way to address housing unaffordability in cap cities. #estimates |
| Williams to APVMA: Avg price of Canb house $600k, in Armidale 350k. Are people concerned about the price of housing in Armidale? #estimates | Williams to APVMA: Avg price of Canb house $600k, in Armidale 350k. Are people concerned about the price of housing in Armidale? #estimates |
| APVMA CEO KareenaArthy says it's not cost of Armidale housing that's concerning people, but of relocating to Armidale... >> #estimates | APVMA CEO KareenaArthy says it's not cost of Armidale housing that's concerning people, but of relocating to Armidale... >> #estimates |
| Arthy: [Staff asking] if grants will be provided for real estate fees,stamp duty. "These are things staffing are raising with me" #estimates | Arthy: [Staff asking] if grants will be provided for real estate fees,stamp duty. "These are things staffing are raising with me" #estimates |
| South Australian senator Anne Ruston: | South Australian senator Anne Ruston: |
| Ruston: "Cost-benefit analysis but one element of decision making process,not only instrument gov relies on in fulfilling election cmitmnts" | Ruston: "Cost-benefit analysis but one element of decision making process,not only instrument gov relies on in fulfilling election cmitmnts" |
| Ag #estimates committee bumping up against that "public interest immunity" issue from earlier in qns on APVMA relocation plans: #auspol pic.twitter.com/wYznNnUA40 | Ag #estimates committee bumping up against that "public interest immunity" issue from earlier in qns on APVMA relocation plans: #auspol pic.twitter.com/wYznNnUA40 |
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| The immigration minister, Peter Dutton, has just been interviewed by David Speers on Sky. I feel his pain (Speers). He was trying to nail down two points. | The immigration minister, Peter Dutton, has just been interviewed by David Speers on Sky. I feel his pain (Speers). He was trying to nail down two points. |
| Was it OK to horse trade on legislation, ie gun laws for national security legislation? | Was it OK to horse trade on legislation, ie gun laws for national security legislation? |
| There was no clear answer. | There was no clear answer. |
| What is the government’s position on the Adler? | What is the government’s position on the Adler? |
| There is a ban. We extended the ban. We support the Coag process, says Dutton. | There is a ban. We extended the ban. We support the Coag process, says Dutton. |
| This does not tell us what the government position is on the gun going into Coag. | This does not tell us what the government position is on the gun going into Coag. |
| The meeting is this Friday. | The meeting is this Friday. |
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| The Adler story | The Adler story |
| I just want to step back and summarise this gun debate because it is quite complex. Granted, everyone has had a crack at summarising but this is my version. | I just want to step back and summarise this gun debate because it is quite complex. Granted, everyone has had a crack at summarising but this is my version. |
| So there are two issues: | So there are two issues: |
| This has allowed many straw men to flourish. | This has allowed many straw men to flourish. |
| The National Firearms Agreement – or the Howard gun laws – will still be in place, no matter what the outcome for the Adler. Because this is the framework for the gun laws. | The National Firearms Agreement – or the Howard gun laws – will still be in place, no matter what the outcome for the Adler. Because this is the framework for the gun laws. |
| This means that the government can say rightly they are still committed to the Howard gun laws. | This means that the government can say rightly they are still committed to the Howard gun laws. |
| But if the Adler is allowed in on the lowest category – as Leyonhjelm wants – there will be a more lethal weapon available to ordinary shooters. | But if the Adler is allowed in on the lowest category – as Leyonhjelm wants – there will be a more lethal weapon available to ordinary shooters. |
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| Paul Karp | Paul Karp |
| AHRC president Gillian Triggs is being asked about complaints made under s18C of the Racial Discrimination Act in Senate estimates. | AHRC president Gillian Triggs is being asked about complaints made under s18C of the Racial Discrimination Act in Senate estimates. |
| Triggs notes that s18D provides an exemptions for works that are done reasonably and in good faith. Those include fair and accurate reports or comments, and publications with a “genuine academic, artistic or scientific purpose”. Triggs notes that protects cartoons. | Triggs notes that s18D provides an exemptions for works that are done reasonably and in good faith. Those include fair and accurate reports or comments, and publications with a “genuine academic, artistic or scientific purpose”. Triggs notes that protects cartoons. |
| Senator David Fawcett asks why the AHRC doesn’t throw out unmeritorious complaints quicker to prevent a chilling effect on speech. | Senator David Fawcett asks why the AHRC doesn’t throw out unmeritorious complaints quicker to prevent a chilling effect on speech. |
| Triggs replies: | Triggs replies: |
| We have no decision-making power, we are not a judicial body … We have an obligation under the statute to consider the matter and conciliate the complaint. | We have no decision-making power, we are not a judicial body … We have an obligation under the statute to consider the matter and conciliate the complaint. |
| She said if parliament doesn’t like it, it can change the act. | She said if parliament doesn’t like it, it can change the act. |
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| The Fixer. | The Fixer. |
| Nicely placed folder by Cathy McGowan. Ten points for product placement. | Nicely placed folder by Cathy McGowan. Ten points for product placement. |
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| The votes continued. Plibersek is shut down. Now a procedural vote before the substantial motion. | The votes continued. Plibersek is shut down. Now a procedural vote before the substantial motion. |