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| Turnbull and Abbott trade barbs on guns-for-votes issue – question time live | |
| (35 minutes later) | |
| 5.47am BST | |
| 05:47 | |
| Turnbull insists the Justice Minister acted with the full knowledge of PMO when brokering deal on Alder shotguns. https://t.co/7Ioso12b2p | |
| 5.46am BST | |
| 05:46 | |
| Abbott says claims he 'connived' to broker a deal on shotgun imports are 'utterly false'. https://t.co/5gJ6jS6PkH | |
| 5.43am BST | |
| 05:43 | |
| So to recap, Labor asked a series of detailed questions of the prime minister, immigration minister and justice minister relating to the Adler gun. | |
| In the process of answering, Malcolm Turnbull, Peter Dutton and Michael Keenan confirmed that Leyonhjelm was offered a sunset clause on an import ban on Adler shotgun in return for supporting a migration bill. | |
| Tony Abbott then rose to make a personal explanation, which is a process that allows members to claim they were misrepresented. | |
| Malcolm Turnbull, Kelly O’Dwyer, foreign minister Julie Bishop, treasurer Scott Morrison and environment energy minister Josh Frydenberg – who had been walking out – stopped to listen to the answer. | |
| PM Turnbull halts on his way out as Tony Abbott makes a personal explanation about the Adler shotgun @gabriellechan pic.twitter.com/yzyDVuwGfT | |
| Abbott said there was no deal and quotes security advice which said the Adler should be banned. | |
| This leaves us at a stalemate. They said-he said. | |
| If you have Sky, it might be worth tuning into Peta Credlin tonight. | |
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| at 5.46am BST | |
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| The point to make about Abbott’s note is that just because there were security grounds for Abbott’s import ban, this does not mean a deal was not done between Keenan-Dutton and Leyonhjelm. The two factors are not mutually exclusive. | |
| In fact, if there were such strong grounds for stopping the Adler imports, then it made no sense to put a sunset clause on it. | |
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| at 5.40am BST | |
| 5.19am BST | 5.19am BST |
| 05:19 | 05:19 |
| Tony Abbott quotes his advisor’s note on security. It said of the Adler shotgun: | Tony Abbott quotes his advisor’s note on security. It said of the Adler shotgun: |
| Abbott said had order gone ahead it would have more than doubled the number of Adlers. | Abbott said had order gone ahead it would have more than doubled the number of Adlers. |
| An old shotgun had been used in the Lindt seige and shut down the city, he says. | An old shotgun had been used in the Lindt seige and shut down the city, he says. |
| The advisor’s note relates to the security reasons for keeping the guns off the streets. | The advisor’s note relates to the security reasons for keeping the guns off the streets. |
| The note said the Adler would have gone into the same category as an air rifle. | The note said the Adler would have gone into the same category as an air rifle. |
| 12 August | 12 August |
| This is a smokescreen to cover up for the fact that Labor is running a protection racket for the CFMEU. You can only trust this coalition to keep our country safe. | This is a smokescreen to cover up for the fact that Labor is running a protection racket for the CFMEU. You can only trust this coalition to keep our country safe. |
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| at 5.50am BST | |
| 5.12am BST | 5.12am BST |
| 05:12 | 05:12 |
| He says any Leyonhjelm deal for a vote is false. | He says any Leyonhjelm deal for a vote is false. |
| Essentially calling his former ministers liars. | Essentially calling his former ministers liars. |
| 5.11am BST | 5.11am BST |
| 05:11 | 05:11 |
| OMG Tony Abbott is giving a personal explanation. | OMG Tony Abbott is giving a personal explanation. |
| 5.10am BST | 5.10am BST |
| 05:10 | 05:10 |
| Of course the government shut down the Labor motion below. The government gets one more question. Turnbull delivers a firm and fairly defiant answer on his economic plan, looking at the opposition but directed at his backbench. | Of course the government shut down the Labor motion below. The government gets one more question. Turnbull delivers a firm and fairly defiant answer on his economic plan, looking at the opposition but directed at his backbench. |
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| at 5.11am BST | at 5.11am BST |
| 5.09am BST | 5.09am BST |
| 05:09 | 05:09 |
| In no mood to trifle.... | In no mood to trifle.... |
| Malcolm Turnbull throws Tony Abbott... | Malcolm Turnbull throws Tony Abbott... |
| Under a bus...Or a train perhaps. | Under a bus...Or a train perhaps. |
| Exciting times. | Exciting times. |
| 5.00am BST | 5.00am BST |
| 05:00 | 05:00 |
| Labor has moved this motion: | Labor has moved this motion: |
| That the House: | That the House: |
| 1. Notes that today the prime minister has openly contradicted the claims of the former prime minister on the guns for votes scandal; | 1. Notes that today the prime minister has openly contradicted the claims of the former prime minister on the guns for votes scandal; |
| 2. Notes that in the first 15 sitting days of the 45th Parliament: | 2. Notes that in the first 15 sitting days of the 45th Parliament: |
| a) The government became the first majority government in more than 50 years to lose control of the House of Representatives; | a) The government became the first majority government in more than 50 years to lose control of the House of Representatives; |
| b) The treasurer introduced legislation containing a $107 million black hole; | b) The treasurer introduced legislation containing a $107 million black hole; |
| c) The Senate ran out of legislation to debate; | c) The Senate ran out of legislation to debate; |
| d) For the first time in federation, a government voted to condemn itself; | d) For the first time in federation, a government voted to condemn itself; |
| e) The former prime minister outflanked the current prime minister on his left and his right; | e) The former prime minister outflanked the current prime minister on his left and his right; |
| f) The prime minister was rolled by his extreme right-wing on issue after issue; | f) The prime minister was rolled by his extreme right-wing on issue after issue; |
| g) The prime minister condoned an attorney general who had misled the parliament; | g) The prime minister condoned an attorney general who had misled the parliament; |
| h) The Health Department refused to endorse the prime minister’s absolute guarantee on the cost of seeing a doctor; and | h) The Health Department refused to endorse the prime minister’s absolute guarantee on the cost of seeing a doctor; and |
| i) The government considered trading guns for votes; and | i) The government considered trading guns for votes; and |
| 3. Therefore, censures the prime minister for 15 sitting days of unprecedented chaos from a government in disarray. | 3. Therefore, censures the prime minister for 15 sitting days of unprecedented chaos from a government in disarray. |
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| at 5.08am BST | at 5.08am BST |
| 4.59am BST | 4.59am BST |
| 04:59 | 04:59 |
| Another vote now. | Another vote now. |
| I’m told Albanese is offering Peter Dutton “lollies for votes” during the divisions. | I’m told Albanese is offering Peter Dutton “lollies for votes” during the divisions. |
| Albo yells to Dutton: | Albo yells to Dutton: |
| You give guns for votes, how about lollies, we’ve got lollies over here. | You give guns for votes, how about lollies, we’ve got lollies over here. |
| 4.56am BST | 4.56am BST |
| 04:56 | 04:56 |
| The government wins the gag on Burke 74-67. | The government wins the gag on Burke 74-67. |
| Anthony Albanese gets up to second the suspension motion. | Anthony Albanese gets up to second the suspension motion. |
| At least Tony Abbott stands for something... | At least Tony Abbott stands for something... |
| until the speaker turns off his microphone because Christopher Pyne moves the member no longer be heard. | until the speaker turns off his microphone because Christopher Pyne moves the member no longer be heard. |
| A second gag vote. | A second gag vote. |
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| at 5.04am BST | at 5.04am BST |
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| 04:53 | 04:53 |
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| 04:51 | 04:51 |
| I missed this one while my attention was on the Abbott Turnbull thing. | I missed this one while my attention was on the Abbott Turnbull thing. |
| It is not avocados, it is bikies causing house affordability problem. | It is not avocados, it is bikies causing house affordability problem. |
| Peter Dutton just told #qt young people can't afford to buy an apartment because of "unions and the bikies" #auspol pic.twitter.com/DsYLoGJMXP | Peter Dutton just told #qt young people can't afford to buy an apartment because of "unions and the bikies" #auspol pic.twitter.com/DsYLoGJMXP |
| 4.49am BST | 4.49am BST |
| 04:49 | 04:49 |
| Speaking to his motion, Labor’s Tony Burke says of the government: | Speaking to his motion, Labor’s Tony Burke says of the government: |
| You’ve got to hand it to them, they can fit a lot in 15 days. | You’ve got to hand it to them, they can fit a lot in 15 days. |
| The government moves to gag the debate. The vote is called. | The government moves to gag the debate. The vote is called. |
| 4.45am BST | 4.45am BST |
| 04:45 | 04:45 |
| Labor moves to suspend the standing orders to debate guns for votes. | Labor moves to suspend the standing orders to debate guns for votes. |
| 4.44am BST | 4.44am BST |
| 04:44 | 04:44 |
| Turnbull confirms Tony Abbott was wrong on guns-for-votes | |
| Shorten to Turnbull: Can the prime minister confirm that in a previous answer today he stated that the member for Warringah was wrong when he told the 7.30 report that the prime minister’s office was not informed by ministers Dutton or Keenan or their staff about the guns for votes deal? | Shorten to Turnbull: Can the prime minister confirm that in a previous answer today he stated that the member for Warringah was wrong when he told the 7.30 report that the prime minister’s office was not informed by ministers Dutton or Keenan or their staff about the guns for votes deal? |
| I refer the honourable member to my previous answer which I think was perfectly clear. | I refer the honourable member to my previous answer which I think was perfectly clear. |
| That means yes. | That means yes. |
| Tony Abbott was wrong. | Tony Abbott was wrong. |
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| 4.40am BST | 4.40am BST |
| 04:40 | 04:40 |
| Shorten to Turnbull: Today it’s reported that the deputy prime minister supports the NSW deputy premier taking a proposal to the NSW cabinet to allow the importation of the Adler shotgun. Is the position of the deputy prime minister the position of the government and is that position consistent with the advice or recommendations of the Australian federal police? | Shorten to Turnbull: Today it’s reported that the deputy prime minister supports the NSW deputy premier taking a proposal to the NSW cabinet to allow the importation of the Adler shotgun. Is the position of the deputy prime minister the position of the government and is that position consistent with the advice or recommendations of the Australian federal police? |
| Turnbull refers to Troy Grant’s statement to “tighten” the categorisation of lever action shotguns. | Turnbull refers to Troy Grant’s statement to “tighten” the categorisation of lever action shotguns. |
| Turnbull says the states regulate the categorisation and licensing of guns. | Turnbull says the states regulate the categorisation and licensing of guns. |
| He is encouraging the states to tighten the reclassification of those guns. | He is encouraging the states to tighten the reclassification of those guns. |
| We are encouraging the states to come to a consensus to see a reclassification with an appropriately tighter classification on those lever action weapons, and of course once that consensus is reached and their classification is fully implemented, then consistent with the arrangements described on several occasions now, as this ban has gone through now, three iterations, the ban would be lifted and so guns, the import arrangements would be consistent with their classification. That’s our commitment. | We are encouraging the states to come to a consensus to see a reclassification with an appropriately tighter classification on those lever action weapons, and of course once that consensus is reached and their classification is fully implemented, then consistent with the arrangements described on several occasions now, as this ban has gone through now, three iterations, the ban would be lifted and so guns, the import arrangements would be consistent with their classification. That’s our commitment. |
| Keeping Australians safe, ensuring we hold the ring, keep the guns out of the country, until the appropriate reclassification by the state and territory police ministers is agreed to. | Keeping Australians safe, ensuring we hold the ring, keep the guns out of the country, until the appropriate reclassification by the state and territory police ministers is agreed to. |
| Updated | Updated |
| at 5.02am BST | at 5.02am BST |