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| Bill Shorten says Turnbull refusing to discuss asylum seeker options – politics live | Bill Shorten says Turnbull refusing to discuss asylum seeker options – politics live |
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| We are the most compassionate nation, says Barnaby Joyce. | |
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| The changing face of Labor’s asylum policy. | |
| By Mike Bowers. | |
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| Lunchtime politics | |
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| In other news, the Parliamentary Friends of Shooting group is getting together tonight in the house. Bring your own Adlers. | |
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| Senior Labor frontbenchers Chris Bowen, Anthony Albanese and Joel Fitzgibbon are all speaking about backpackers tax but I cannot see them so will report back shortly. | |
| The deputy prime minister, Barnaby Joyce, is holding a press conference at 12.30pm. | |
| Labor’s Penny Wong is about to speak at the National Press Club on Hansonism, as previewed earlier in El Bloggo. | |
| The Liberal MP and marriage equality supporter Tim Wilson has told Sky Labor and the Greens have stuffed up the plebiscite and he is “devastated”. | |
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| There are a couple of points around costings regarding Labor’s policies on superannuation and backpackers tax. | There are a couple of points around costings regarding Labor’s policies on superannuation and backpackers tax. |
| Bill Shorten was asked about superannuation. | Bill Shorten was asked about superannuation. |
| Q: You went to the election with a Budget saving on superannuation of$ 3bn. You have announced a policy today that is a $4.5bn revenue increase. There is a $1.5bn difference between the policy you took to the election and the one you’re outlining today. Why the difference? | Q: You went to the election with a Budget saving on superannuation of$ 3bn. You have announced a policy today that is a $4.5bn revenue increase. There is a $1.5bn difference between the policy you took to the election and the one you’re outlining today. Why the difference? |
| Of course there is changes. Now the government has had to change a lot of its policies...You are saying that even if the government changes everything it does, we have to be static and not respond at all to the changing circumstances brought by a promised break in government. If the government put up its policies that it was said before the election, maybe I could see some of what you’re saying then. | Of course there is changes. Now the government has had to change a lot of its policies...You are saying that even if the government changes everything it does, we have to be static and not respond at all to the changing circumstances brought by a promised break in government. If the government put up its policies that it was said before the election, maybe I could see some of what you’re saying then. |
| Shorten was also asked about the cost of potentially dropping the proposed backpackers tax from 32.5% (not yet implemented) to the existing bill of 19% to Labor’s proposal of 10.5%. Is some of the superannuation savings going to cover the hole from the backpacker tax? | Shorten was also asked about the cost of potentially dropping the proposed backpackers tax from 32.5% (not yet implemented) to the existing bill of 19% to Labor’s proposal of 10.5%. Is some of the superannuation savings going to cover the hole from the backpacker tax? |
| Your question assumes that the government will stick to their latest position of 19%, doesn’t it? | Your question assumes that the government will stick to their latest position of 19%, doesn’t it? |
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| Peter Dutton is introducing the legislation for a lifetime travel ban now. | Peter Dutton is introducing the legislation for a lifetime travel ban now. |
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| Xenophon says hold your horses, Peter Dutton, no deal as yet on lifetime ban | Xenophon says hold your horses, Peter Dutton, no deal as yet on lifetime ban |
| Katharine Murphy | Katharine Murphy |
| I’ve just had a quick word to Nick Xenophon about whether he will support the government’s ban on asylum seekers entering the country – given that the immigration minister, Peter Dutton, has said a couple of times now that it doesn’t matter what Labor does on this issue, he has the numbers on the crossbench. | I’ve just had a quick word to Nick Xenophon about whether he will support the government’s ban on asylum seekers entering the country – given that the immigration minister, Peter Dutton, has said a couple of times now that it doesn’t matter what Labor does on this issue, he has the numbers on the crossbench. |
| Right now, I’m not certain that he does. Xenophon says he has told the government the NXT bloc will look at the forever ban proposal but this is a “conscience issue” for his parliamentarians. By this he means the NXT bloc may split on this issue. In any case, they are not yet set in stone about which way to go. Xenophon is sounding relaxed about his people voting in different ways on this proposal. | Right now, I’m not certain that he does. Xenophon says he has told the government the NXT bloc will look at the forever ban proposal but this is a “conscience issue” for his parliamentarians. By this he means the NXT bloc may split on this issue. In any case, they are not yet set in stone about which way to go. Xenophon is sounding relaxed about his people voting in different ways on this proposal. |
| In terms of Labor’s decision this morning to reject the proposal, here’s a couple of quick analytical thoughts. | In terms of Labor’s decision this morning to reject the proposal, here’s a couple of quick analytical thoughts. |
| It’s been obvious for a little while that the government’s drive-by attacks on Labor on the boats don’t resonate politically quite as much as they used to. It could be because the boats have stopped, voters are no longer so fixated on unauthorised arrivals making their way south. | It’s been obvious for a little while that the government’s drive-by attacks on Labor on the boats don’t resonate politically quite as much as they used to. It could be because the boats have stopped, voters are no longer so fixated on unauthorised arrivals making their way south. |
| This trajectory did happen during the Howard years, voters were fixated on the problem (aided by a government telling them constantly it was a problem), but once the “problem” was “fixed”, it was actually an electoral plus for Kevin Rudd in 2007, when he went to the election promising to wind back the punitive “Pacific solution”. | This trajectory did happen during the Howard years, voters were fixated on the problem (aided by a government telling them constantly it was a problem), but once the “problem” was “fixed”, it was actually an electoral plus for Kevin Rudd in 2007, when he went to the election promising to wind back the punitive “Pacific solution”. |
| So perhaps it’s just a case of the politics being moderately less toxic. Labor is certainly less worried than it used to be about standing up to the government on border protection, and the new shadow immigration spokesman, Shayne Neumann, has set quite a different tone in the portfolio to his predecessor, Richard Marles. | So perhaps it’s just a case of the politics being moderately less toxic. Labor is certainly less worried than it used to be about standing up to the government on border protection, and the new shadow immigration spokesman, Shayne Neumann, has set quite a different tone in the portfolio to his predecessor, Richard Marles. |
| But I also think there was no way on God’s earth that the left faction would have supported this latest policy foray by the government. I suspect Shorten, the leadership group, and the shadow cabinet knew that. It would have been fraught if Shorten had insisted on exercising a bit of “me too-ism” on the government’s proposal. Hence today’s result. Labor says nope, nope, nope. | But I also think there was no way on God’s earth that the left faction would have supported this latest policy foray by the government. I suspect Shorten, the leadership group, and the shadow cabinet knew that. It would have been fraught if Shorten had insisted on exercising a bit of “me too-ism” on the government’s proposal. Hence today’s result. Labor says nope, nope, nope. |
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| On the backpacker tax, Bill Shorten wants us to wait for Chris Bowen, the shadow treasurer, who has a press conference coming up shortly. But in general terms, Shorten says: | On the backpacker tax, Bill Shorten wants us to wait for Chris Bowen, the shadow treasurer, who has a press conference coming up shortly. But in general terms, Shorten says: |
| They have a situation where they have taken themselves hostage, where from 1 January, they haven’t repaired their own 32 cents tax in the dollar, we will see further problems with getting backpackers to Australia. New Zealand has a system of just over 10%. | They have a situation where they have taken themselves hostage, where from 1 January, they haven’t repaired their own 32 cents tax in the dollar, we will see further problems with getting backpackers to Australia. New Zealand has a system of just over 10%. |
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| Bill Shorten says he takes no comfort from the lifetime ban bill having a ministerial discretion clause. | Bill Shorten says he takes no comfort from the lifetime ban bill having a ministerial discretion clause. |
| He says if the government has third-country agreements which require that particular ban, he will hear what the government says at that time. | He says if the government has third-country agreements which require that particular ban, he will hear what the government says at that time. |
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| Bill Shorten says he specifically asked the prime minister, “Are there discussions about third-party nations? How is that process going?” | Bill Shorten says he specifically asked the prime minister, “Are there discussions about third-party nations? How is that process going?” |
| He has refused to tell me point-blank. I have no idea how their discussions are going. | He has refused to tell me point-blank. I have no idea how their discussions are going. |
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| 12.50am GMT | 12.50am GMT |
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| Labor will not try to amend the refugee bill. | Labor will not try to amend the refugee bill. |
| Shorten: | Shorten: |
| This is rushed legislation and the government said they’re not interested in amendments, so we will vote it down. | This is rushed legislation and the government said they’re not interested in amendments, so we will vote it down. |
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| Bill Shorten is asked about Labor’s various changes on its asylum seeker policies. | Bill Shorten is asked about Labor’s various changes on its asylum seeker policies. |
| Labor’s policy, which the Liberals have subsequently adopted, is working. We believe that the people smugglers are pernicious, cynical criminals. | Labor’s policy, which the Liberals have subsequently adopted, is working. We believe that the people smugglers are pernicious, cynical criminals. |
| I recognise that hundreds upon hundreds of people drowned making that dangerous voyage. | I recognise that hundreds upon hundreds of people drowned making that dangerous voyage. |
| This has been a difficult issue in the Labor party but I took the restatement of our policy to the July 2015 national conference and what we said there is we don’t want the people smugglers back in business and we will maintain strong policies to deter them. | This has been a difficult issue in the Labor party but I took the restatement of our policy to the July 2015 national conference and what we said there is we don’t want the people smugglers back in business and we will maintain strong policies to deter them. |
| But what I don’t accept is that this government’s created an almost arbitrary equation, where it says the only way to stop people smugglers is to keep people on Manus and Nauru in seemingly indefinite detention. | But what I don’t accept is that this government’s created an almost arbitrary equation, where it says the only way to stop people smugglers is to keep people on Manus and Nauru in seemingly indefinite detention. |
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| Shayne Neumann, Labor’s immigration spokesman, said while Labor had been briefed on the issue, he saw nothing that would warrant changing. | Shayne Neumann, Labor’s immigration spokesman, said while Labor had been briefed on the issue, he saw nothing that would warrant changing. |
| There is no credible evidence from the department in the briefing that we had that any country had sought this legislation or any requirement covered by this legislation. The government also has failed to provide us with any evidence there that they have got any arrangement spending in respect of a third-party arrangement as well. | There is no credible evidence from the department in the briefing that we had that any country had sought this legislation or any requirement covered by this legislation. The government also has failed to provide us with any evidence there that they have got any arrangement spending in respect of a third-party arrangement as well. |
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| Bill Shorten is speaking now. | Bill Shorten is speaking now. |
| He says Labor is on a unity ticket with the government to stop the people smugglers, they are not on a unity ticket to stop the tourists. | He says Labor is on a unity ticket with the government to stop the people smugglers, they are not on a unity ticket to stop the tourists. |
| Under the laws which the government is proposing and seeking Labor’s support for, someone who is found to be a genuine refugee, who subsequently settles and becomes a Canadian or an American citizen can never even visit Australia in 30 or 40 years’ time, a lifetime ban on genuine refugees who become citizens of other countries from ever visiting Australia as a tourist or as a teacher or as a business person. | Under the laws which the government is proposing and seeking Labor’s support for, someone who is found to be a genuine refugee, who subsequently settles and becomes a Canadian or an American citizen can never even visit Australia in 30 or 40 years’ time, a lifetime ban on genuine refugees who become citizens of other countries from ever visiting Australia as a tourist or as a teacher or as a business person. |
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| at 1.15am GMT | at 1.15am GMT |
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| Labor to try to amend backpacker tax from Coalition's 19% to 10.5% | Labor to try to amend backpacker tax from Coalition's 19% to 10.5% |
| From Gareth Hutchens: Labor will amend the tax rate and it will oppose the $5 increase on the passenger movement charge paid by all people as they leave Australia. | From Gareth Hutchens: Labor will amend the tax rate and it will oppose the $5 increase on the passenger movement charge paid by all people as they leave Australia. |
| The Coalition’s backpacker bill has passed the lower house and is sitting, waiting for the report of a Senate committee. | The Coalition’s backpacker bill has passed the lower house and is sitting, waiting for the report of a Senate committee. |
| The report is due out tomorrow after it was delayed from yesterday. | The report is due out tomorrow after it was delayed from yesterday. |
| Labor’s decision means Labor will try to amend the bill in the Senate. | Labor’s decision means Labor will try to amend the bill in the Senate. |
| But the bill has to go back to the lower house for the tick-off. Unless someone changes their mind in the lower house, such as a couple of stray Nats crossing the floor, any amended 10.5% tax rate would fail. | But the bill has to go back to the lower house for the tick-off. Unless someone changes their mind in the lower house, such as a couple of stray Nats crossing the floor, any amended 10.5% tax rate would fail. |
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| Labor to move amendments on #backpackertax to lower tax rate from 19% to 10.5%Ping @stephanieando | Labor to move amendments on #backpackertax to lower tax rate from 19% to 10.5%Ping @stephanieando |
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| Bill Shorten and the Labor immigration spokesman, Shayne Neumann, are holding a press conference on the decision to oppose the lifetime ban on refugees at 11.30am. | Bill Shorten and the Labor immigration spokesman, Shayne Neumann, are holding a press conference on the decision to oppose the lifetime ban on refugees at 11.30am. |
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| at 12.23am GMT | at 12.23am GMT |